01:14.3
Kaso puro pro bono. Walang bayad.
01:16.7
Hindi pa na, ubus yung drinks na binigay ko sa'yo. Ano nga yan? Naka one session pa yan.
01:23.8
Hindi ka tulad ni Christian at saka ni Michael. Ang daming ads. Sabi ko, ba? Pumikita yata ito mga ito. May mga TV ads.
01:33.8
Binaba ko ngayon yung ads ko para di ka na magsalita.
01:38.2
Nabansin mo, pag mga ka-RNR, pag mga topic na humanitarian, wala akong ads.
01:44.7
Like ads sa Dalima.
01:46.7
So as a matter of principle, this is not to pass a judgment on others, but it's clearly for a humanity.
01:52.1
Yung nilalagay ko lang ads yung mga iba na pinaghirapan natin, pero yung iba, hindi ko nilalagay.
01:56.5
So pag the topic is, you know, malapit sa puso, dapat no ads yan, no motivation whatsoever.
02:02.1
So yun yung public service natin yan.
02:04.5
Sabi ko, progressive ka pa rin.
02:06.2
Oo naman, Ronald.
02:07.6
Diba, kahit mainstream ka na, you're still a swinging progressive.
02:12.6
Oo naman, Ronald.
02:13.6
Ako swinging lang eh. Ako swinging lang.
02:16.7
You're a swinging progressive.
02:18.2
Pero maraming nagtatanong yung ating threesome ni Leloy eh.
02:23.9
Pwede daw putol. Parang fan.
02:26.0
Diba, meron tayong technical, kasi sa bagya.
02:29.3
Kala ko na ayos mo yun.
02:32.0
Kaya Ronald, mas masama pa nangyari.
02:34.3
Yung kay Sunny Africa, in-interview ko siya ng two days after us.
02:38.3
Oh my God, inang beses inulit-ulit-ulit namin.
02:41.7
Kasi ang topic namin, oligarchs, conglomerates.
02:45.1
Sabi ko, parang sinasabot.
02:47.3
Eh yung dalawang option mo sa internet, parehong, alam mo na, diba, conglomerates.
02:52.7
Ang dami nag-tip-text sa akin, okay yung kanyo ah.
02:57.2
Yung iba, oh putol.
02:58.6
Nasaan yung karugtok?
03:00.1
So we have to do it again.
03:01.6
Yung ginagawa natin.
03:03.4
Hindi, siguro yung putol, yung live version ng YouTube.
03:07.2
Pero sa Facebook, okay naman eh.
03:10.1
So the audio should be perfect.
03:12.4
Pasalan mo mga salamang, wala kasi akong Facebook eh.
03:15.7
I'll forward to you.
03:16.7
Dami nang tatanong.
03:18.9
Hindi masasayang.
03:20.5
No, walang masasayang.
03:22.0
Kasi the audio, kaya nga may live tayo on the side.
03:24.2
It's because the audio will be there.
03:26.2
Just in case things go wrong.
03:27.3
Kaya even yung kay, ano, kay Sunny na sobrang sabog yung internet.
03:30.9
I don't know why bigla.
03:32.5
Nakuha ko na lahat ng audio.
03:33.7
So at least we have the proper audio.
03:37.0
Let's set up another one with si Parang RRL.
03:41.2
And I was also talking to Cristiano Ronaldo.
03:43.4
Para isama nyo sa akin.
03:46.7
Si Cristian yata gusto niya, ano eh, production level.
03:49.1
Sabi niya, I'll be, ano, ano.
03:50.9
Sabi ko, hindi, relax lang.
03:51.8
Zoom lang muna tayo.
03:53.0
Let's start, ano.
03:54.5
Huwag tayo mag-advance, mag-isip.
03:56.6
Chill lang tayo, diba?
03:57.9
Oo, pag nangyayari yun.
04:00.1
The podcast of the decade.
04:03.1
That's the ultimate collab.
04:04.9
Dalawang mainstream podcaster, tsaka isang asshole.
04:10.0
Basta hindi ako yung isa.
04:12.4
Maala kayo mag-wilin sa inyo dalawa.
04:16.7
Ronald, kamusta yung ano ninyo ni Cristian?
04:18.6
Meron kayong picture-picture pa na, ano, glamour shot sa,
04:22.4
Nagsishot-shot lang.
04:23.7
Ah, karinder niya sa UP Sangkan Garden.
04:26.9
Sa UP pa naman, territory ko yan.
04:29.2
Nara parapan niya.
04:31.0
Nagsasawa na kasi siya eh.
04:32.6
Nagsasawa na siya sa mga zoom-zoom, no?
04:35.1
Don't not invite.
04:36.9
Ang ganda nung palmol.
04:37.8
Ang Armani suits mo, no?
04:39.2
Don't not invite me.
04:40.9
Hindi naman kami pwede mag-Armani.
04:42.5
So, doon na lang kami sa fishbowl.
04:44.6
No, kumakain kami ng fishbowl.
04:47.2
Let me be very clear.
04:48.3
Pero kung pa niya, ang topic na ron, no?
04:50.5
Ang topic na ron, how I became me.
04:54.4
Paano daw ako naging me?
04:57.6
Eh, nakuna ka na ron.
04:58.8
Ginawa mo yan dati.
05:00.9
Tony Gonzaga level pala yung ginawa niya.
05:03.2
Yan ang tanong niya, no?
05:04.8
Binago niya yung format.
05:05.8
Ay, nako, Ronald.
05:06.7
For all my Armani suits and all,
05:09.1
wala pa akong production team.
05:12.4
Sobrang mga isang camera lang ng phone.
05:16.7
Pari na Ilocano budget.
05:18.8
Eh, si Christian parang nakaset up pa eh
05:21.0
nung in-interview niya sa video namin.
05:22.9
May earned camera here, may earned camera there.
05:29.3
Kaya dapat kumuha ka na lang ganun.
05:31.9
Aayusin yung protocols.
05:34.2
Aayusin yung pano.
05:37.5
Kaya minsan nakakaproblema yung aking wifi
05:41.0
dahil pala to eh.
05:42.7
Kailangan natin mag-invest saan natin
05:46.7
Vlogger logistics.
05:48.0
Si Christian medyo advanced.
05:49.6
May merchandise pa nga siya.
05:52.0
Gagawa rin ako ng version ko.
05:53.6
Yung purple version.
05:55.0
Maganda pa ako ng graphic designer.
05:56.5
Bilikan din ako ni Michael Pahatin
05:58.2
ng Politiscope t-shirt.
06:01.9
Nag-ask ako si Doris Bigorne.
06:05.5
Nakaka-cut lang ako rito ah.
06:07.9
ilan ba dapat bago bigyan niyo ako ng t-shirt?
06:11.0
Ng Tenerobio Servicio.
06:15.4
Di ba yung isang agenda natin dito,
06:18.8
palig tayo sa TV5 ng show natin,
06:21.1
gawa tayo sa sarili.
06:21.8
Pero ikaw, nandun ka eh.
06:23.9
Pero gawa tayo sa sarili natin,
06:25.5
yung parang wag po.
06:26.5
Pero meron kayo sa gabi,
06:27.5
ano yung bago nang meet sila, Jove?
06:33.7
Hindi, sa totoo lang.
06:36.1
si Patrick at si Edling Gaw?
06:40.0
The story is behind
06:42.4
4 p.m. yan, di ba?
06:43.7
Na-interview nila ako.
06:45.4
I guess ako dun twice, no?
06:47.4
Gusto nila maging regular ako.
06:49.4
nag-a-adjust pa sila eh.
06:52.9
Baka para magkaroon din tayong version.
06:54.9
Kasi dami nagko-comment
06:55.9
pag nagpo-post tayong dalawa.
06:57.9
nag-wag po kayong dalawa.
06:59.7
Ang kulit-kulit nyo.
07:00.8
Nag-andadaldal yung dalawa.
07:03.1
May problema sa story-con.
07:05.4
Kailangan naka-Armani suit.
07:07.5
Eh, yung suits ko,
07:08.9
divisorya lang eh.
07:10.8
Divisorya lang eh.
07:16.0
Mga ganyan style mo, Ronald.
07:17.9
Yan ang nagbibigay ng authenticity sa'yo.
07:21.1
Progressive ka pa rin.
07:23.1
mag-progressive ako sa'yo.
07:26.6
Swinging progressive.
07:27.9
Ako, just swinging.
07:31.4
huwag na na tayo.
07:32.2
Baka papuntang swinger na itong topic.
07:34.5
Bago pumunta tayo sa...
07:36.3
Pag-asa pa natin yung love life mo.
07:38.8
mas tatas ang ratings mo niya,
07:40.1
yung love life mo.
07:42.0
Daming nagkikintay diyan.
07:44.9
magpa-interview din tayo
07:49.2
Gawin tayo ng maritest na RRC.
07:52.2
Now, eto, eto, eto.
07:53.2
Ronald, let's talk about it.
07:54.6
So, later this week,
07:55.9
I'm hoping to interview also
07:57.1
Layla, of course.
07:59.3
Christian had a fantastic interview also
08:00.7
with Senator De Lima.
08:02.0
I suggest people to check that.
08:04.1
I always make sure na
08:05.1
I and Christian bring different perspective
08:06.7
to similar issues
08:08.5
para lang, you know,
08:09.6
enriching discussion.
08:10.9
Going back to Layla issue,
08:11.9
anong basa mo kay Harry Roque
08:14.9
Ay, etong judge niya
08:16.2
nag-oversee nung ano ni Layla
08:17.8
ay favorite student ko
08:20.5
What is he trying to do there?
08:24.3
siya'y susunod siya
08:26.6
doon sa listahan ni De Lima
08:27.9
ng mga tormentors niya?
08:29.2
Or he's trying to,
08:32.6
He's trying to reboot his image?
08:35.1
Or nakikirelevant lang siya?
08:36.6
What's going on there?
08:37.9
Well, nagbabackpedal siya
08:40.8
unang days ng paglaya ni
08:44.9
ay todo ang tira nila
08:49.2
sentiments nung kanilang
08:53.8
ex-president Duterte.
08:58.1
siguro nakita nila na
08:59.6
public sentiment is not
09:03.8
Siguro nakita nila na
09:06.7
yung mga statements
09:14.9
papunta na sa extreme
09:20.4
So, sinusubukan nilang,
09:22.2
siyempre, tingin nila sa sarili nila,
09:23.8
especially si Harry,
09:25.0
meron pa siyang political future.
09:28.9
na medyo suicide bomber na.
09:32.7
Nearing 80 ka na,
09:34.0
tapos ex-president ka,
09:40.0
Sure, na-realize nila
09:42.2
hindi pa naman kami
09:42.8
zero-sum game, ha?
09:44.8
magkaroon ng political future
09:48.3
if we play our cards right.
09:50.9
nagsa-soft pedal sila,
09:53.5
Tinitignan nila kung
09:57.0
pwede pa sila mag-adjust, no?
09:58.3
Unlike the president, no?
10:00.7
Dahil baka ayaw din nila maipit,
10:02.9
dito sa mga nagbubunggu
10:04.2
ang mga elepante,
10:08.6
pag nagbubungguan yung elepante,
10:10.8
medyo tantabi tayo ng konti,
10:12.5
Manonood na lang tayo,
10:13.4
labas ng popcorn, no?
10:14.8
Baka na-realize din nila.
10:16.3
Anong animal ba tayo, Ronald,
10:17.9
kung elepante nila tayo?
10:19.1
Ba zebra, lion, hyena?
10:23.1
Dahil minsan kasi yung elepante
10:24.3
natatakot sa daga, diba?
10:26.8
So, pwede muna tayo, no?
10:28.7
Ang problema sa daga,
10:29.9
kahit kinakatakotan ng elepante,
10:31.5
pag kinakatakotan ng tapakan,
10:34.5
So, kung walang tayo,
10:36.4
kilid-gilid lang tayo,
10:40.1
you're saying what's happening here
10:42.4
bongo meeting PCG,
10:43.4
making strong statements
10:45.5
on West Philippine Sea.
10:47.9
It's all part of the reboot.
10:52.0
Kasi malalat nga ako eh,
10:53.0
kay Francis Tolentino,
10:54.3
who is a PDP laban, diba?
10:56.8
And trabaho niya,
10:57.9
yung trabaho mo kay Digong.
10:59.6
you're a legal advisor.
11:01.3
Basa ko yung statement siya kahapon, no?
11:03.5
Pinapagalitan yung National Security Council
11:08.4
yung offer ng atin ito,
11:13.4
ilak pumunta sa BRP Sierra Madre
11:15.7
with a Christmas convoy,
11:20.5
Pinalatan niya yung NSC
11:28.7
to BRP Sierra Madre.
11:31.3
Talagang very sharp.
11:33.8
as ang sinasabi ni
11:34.7
Francis Tolentino,
11:35.9
dapat protectahan
11:38.5
itong convoy na ito
11:47.5
Cabinet Secretary yan
11:53.3
at kinikriticize mismo
11:55.3
ang National Security Council
12:00.1
may mga forces ngayon
12:01.9
na ang tingin nila
12:05.4
they are moving beyond
12:08.0
previous narrative
12:10.7
sa former president.
12:13.0
siguro nakita nila
12:14.1
writing on the wall,
12:15.9
untenable ito, ha?
12:17.2
Bata pa naman kami,
12:18.2
may future pa kami, no?
12:20.3
Kasing edad lang naman namin
12:21.8
si Richard Zahidarian, no?
12:26.0
umaalagwa all over the place.
12:27.9
So, baka naingit sila
12:31.3
na ito si Richard
12:34.7
what are we doing?
12:35.6
Are we committing
12:36.4
political suicide?
12:38.0
Are we talking in case?
12:39.6
They're excited yan.
12:47.4
binabalikan nila,
12:48.6
na should we go down
12:52.4
should we join him
12:58.1
maganda yung mga kulungan doon, no?
13:02.5
tingin mo yung mga
13:03.0
mga mga mga kulungan dyan,
13:05.1
tingin mo yung mga
13:06.5
writing on the wall.
13:08.9
let me push back a little bit,
13:10.8
not on this issue per se,
13:12.4
but I completely,
13:13.0
I agree with you na
13:15.3
ang first na nag-reboot
13:16.4
si Francis Tolentino.
13:18.7
earlier this year,
13:19.6
he was talking about
13:20.3
quadrilateral security cooperation,
13:25.2
parang si Haydari yan
13:27.6
parang line ko yan, ha?
13:29.9
Ang hirap i-spell noon, eh.
13:35.1
nag-masters pa siya ng law ulit,
13:37.1
na international law.
13:38.7
mga ganyan siyang drama.
13:45.3
sa special envoy-ish
13:48.5
nag-patriotism siya.
13:52.1
yung latest aggressive moves
13:54.9
tapos yung beshi mo,
13:56.0
si Robin Nutt Padilla,
13:57.3
medyo nag-change tone na rin
13:59.9
siya lahat ang huling sundalo
14:04.6
umipitik-pitik pa rin, eh.
14:07.1
Hindi ko na siya kinukuhan.
14:11.6
Hindi ko na siya inakawain.
14:15.7
nagkamin natin mga special guests dito.
14:18.4
but let me push back against this.
14:22.5
nag-release ng statement
14:24.4
Philippine Coast Guard
14:28.9
gagawin yung convoy
14:31.9
nakikita sa ETSA yung
14:37.0
cleared by the Philippine government.
14:38.9
This is not necessarily
14:39.9
in coordination with the Philippine government.
14:41.4
I think ang concern nila,
14:44.9
Na gagamitin ng China ito
14:46.9
to also do their own version
14:51.0
kunyare sa kanila
14:51.7
kasi hindi naman sila demokrasya.
14:53.3
Nothing can be done
14:54.1
without the coordination
14:55.1
of the government
14:55.5
unlike in the Philippines
14:56.4
na may demokrasya.
14:57.7
Ang fear kasi dito, Ronald,
14:58.9
is once we go down that road
15:01.0
of allowing the civil society
15:02.8
to be more actively engaged
15:04.3
in civil society,
15:05.5
the Chinese will do
15:06.4
their people's war at sea.
15:08.2
Alam na alam mo niya,
15:09.1
Ginagawa ng Soviet Union yan,
15:10.7
ginawa ng China yan.
15:11.5
And once it goes,
15:12.5
it goes into that,
15:13.1
medyo delikado na.
15:13.9
Kasi you can imagine, Ronald,
15:14.9
paano kung yung China
15:16.5
milyon-milyon na turista
15:18.1
kung nyari dyan, di ba?
15:19.1
And that creates complications.
15:22.3
panahon yun ni Aquino pa lang
15:23.7
pinag-usapan itong
15:25.0
potentially using
15:26.2
a whole-of-nation approach.
15:28.0
And I think that was vetoed
15:29.1
during Pinoy's time
15:30.8
because there was precisely
15:31.8
this concern about
15:32.8
China using this as a pretext
15:34.8
to elevate the situation.
15:36.6
So, I'm just trying to explain
15:38.6
where probably the government
15:39.8
is coming from, Ronald.
15:40.7
They're not against the spirit
15:42.5
All you're doing,
15:43.3
they're looking at the
15:43.8
operational implications
15:45.4
and how China may abuse it.
15:46.8
So, anong response mo dyan, Ronald?
15:48.9
So, I'm just playing
15:49.7
the devil's advocate.
15:50.7
Or rather, I'm saying
15:51.9
the government's side of this.
15:55.5
You even have horns.
15:57.3
And the government's side,
15:59.3
they're not necessarily the same.
16:02.2
what is your take on that argument?
16:04.2
Baka naman you're just
16:04.9
doing China pretext.
16:07.5
it's apples and oranges.
16:09.6
Parang mahirap i-compare
16:12.5
convoy na mga bangka.
16:19.0
and even Christmas trees.
16:23.1
World War II ship
16:26.0
20 soldiers or so.
16:29.9
Mahirap i-replicate yan
16:32.8
tanggapin ng mundo
16:36.9
of the imagination
16:39.0
i-package ng China
16:40.7
just doing the same.
16:45.5
Pero balikan ko lang muna
16:47.3
Parang malinaw yung context.
16:51.4
naglabas ng statement
16:53.0
ang National Security Council
16:56.6
through Yusek Malaya.
16:59.7
na sinasabi niya na
17:01.6
dinidiscourage namin ito.
17:08.7
Ang suggestion namin
17:10.8
pumunta na lang sila
17:17.8
bagamat may letter
17:26.1
wala ako sa leadership
17:30.4
Gumawa sila ng letter.
17:33.5
Asking permission
17:34.8
from the Coast Guard
17:36.2
and the National Security Council
17:38.4
for coordination.
17:41.3
They are not asking
17:45.0
ang tingin naman nila dito
17:46.1
sa West Philippine Sea
17:49.2
Parang kwanto eh.
17:53.6
Bakit kinakailangan mo
17:55.8
para pumunta sa iyong
17:58.0
Dahil ginagawa naman ito
17:59.5
lahat ng mga manging isda eh.
18:02.0
Nandun yung Coast Guard
18:05.4
permission to fish.
18:09.9
nitong people's convoy.
18:11.7
Kaya gumawa sila ng letter
18:14.1
formally sa Coast Guard
18:16.2
tsaka sa National Security Council
18:17.7
for coordination.
18:20.0
For coordination.
18:23.6
walang misunderstanding.
18:27.2
umanser si Yusek Malaya.
18:30.0
Ito nga yung sinabi niya.
18:31.9
Pero natuloy yung presscon.
18:34.1
Natuloy yung presscon
18:39.0
itong unofficial comment.
18:43.0
Na they're still going to continue.
18:45.6
Actually, kasama nga nila
18:46.8
for the first time
18:49.1
si Rear Admiral Ong.
18:53.5
At si Congressman Cabuchan
18:55.5
for the first time
18:58.4
Hindi kasi available
18:59.5
si Senator Sanitary Danes.
19:01.7
At saka si Boy Camacho
19:04.7
Reform the Armed Forces Movement.
19:07.0
First time na nagkasama
19:08.1
sa isang presscon
19:08.9
yung Magdalo at saka RAM.
19:11.7
Odd bedfellows biglang eh.
19:14.9
for the first time
19:15.6
yung Magsaysay Awardee
19:18.8
The first fisherman
19:19.7
to get a Magsaysay Awardee.
19:23.9
yung Vice Chairman
19:24.8
ng National Anti-Poverty Commission
19:26.8
for Fishermen and Farmers.
19:30.4
So, medyo maraming bago
19:31.9
nawala nung kanilang
19:33.8
Of course, nandun si
19:34.8
Senator Rizal Conteberos,
19:40.3
yung unofficial comment.
19:43.6
we're not asking permission,
19:45.0
we're asking for coordination.
19:48.4
itong kanilang sagot,
19:49.7
pero sana ma-formalize.
19:51.7
Sana ma-formalize.
19:53.5
yung pinadala nila
19:54.9
for coordination eh.
19:57.9
naglabas ng formal letter
19:59.2
ang National Security Council.
20:01.4
Formalizing yung statement
20:05.0
will you allow me to read the letter
20:06.4
para lang alam ng
20:08.3
ang kaibigan natin.
20:10.5
by the National Security Council.
20:14.0
by the Strategic Communications Office.
20:18.0
Assistant Director General
20:19.9
National Security Council.
20:21.2
some of you have already heard him
20:22.3
on my other interviews
20:24.5
including this week,
20:25.3
dun sa show natin.
20:26.7
The National Security Council
20:28.8
the planned Christmas convoy
20:30.2
to BRP Sierra Madre,
20:33.0
Saayong in Shoal,
20:33.8
or any similar undertaking
20:35.6
to the said Shoal.
20:37.0
While we support,
20:39.2
the intent of the
20:40.0
Ateneto Coalition
20:42.2
to our West Philippine Sea
20:48.1
of heightened tensions
20:49.1
within the Philippines
20:53.0
We encourage them
20:53.9
instead to undertake
20:54.8
the Christmas convoy
20:56.6
occupied features
20:57.7
in the Kalayan group
20:59.2
where Philippine troops
21:01.9
Other than Ayungin,
21:03.3
the following features,
21:12.5
They're also frontliners
21:13.7
in those features
21:14.7
and they also deserve
21:15.9
Christmas goodies
21:19.5
other occupied features,
21:20.9
the Christmas convoy
21:21.6
would be able to visit
21:24.0
of the West Philippine Sea
21:25.7
more fully realize
21:26.9
their stated goal
21:28.1
the living circumstances
21:29.3
and operational capabilities
21:32.0
and other civilian communities.
21:34.7
they can also turn over
21:36.0
to the Philippine Navy
21:39.0
yung Christmas donation
21:41.6
magbigay sa kanila.
21:43.7
our troops in Ayungin
21:44.8
shall are well supplied
21:45.8
by the Philippine Navy AFP
21:47.4
supported by the Philippine Coast Guard
21:48.7
through the regular
21:49.7
RORE resupply missions.
21:52.2
There is therefore
21:54.5
Christmas convoy mission
21:57.5
So, there are multiple here.
22:01.3
kayo pupunta sa iba
22:02.1
na hindi kasing gagulo
22:03.6
pero mahalaga din naman.
22:06.1
kami naman nag-resupply.
22:07.8
pwede naman ibigay sa amin
22:09.8
we're already doing that.
22:11.0
So, they're both questioning
22:13.9
when there is a risk
22:17.7
not just leave it to us
22:19.6
because after all,
22:21.1
this is our mandate.
22:23.0
why not go to the other islands
22:27.8
where there are also
22:28.9
frontliners that will
22:29.9
appreciate your Christmas
22:32.4
I think they totally
22:33.8
missed the point.
22:38.3
of our West Philippine Sea
22:40.7
Whether we like it or not
22:42.1
is the BRP Sierra Madre.
22:45.6
Kaya nga hinaharas
22:47.0
yung mga supply ships eh.
22:48.7
Dahil it is literally
22:54.6
on the side of China.
22:58.3
hindi naman pumupunta
23:01.1
pumupunta sa Pag-asa
23:02.3
or yung ilang mga
23:03.6
touristic islands
23:05.6
na nabanggit nila.
23:10.4
for the West Philippine Sea
23:11.6
whether we like it or not
23:12.9
is the BRP Sierra Madre.
23:23.1
of the Mutual Defense Treaty
23:24.5
because this is an active
23:25.9
this is an active
23:30.5
Kaya ang ginagawa nila
23:34.3
Tinatanggalan nila
23:35.9
Tinatanggalan nila
23:42.9
of our battleground
23:48.0
for our sovereign rights.
23:52.6
nandiyan yung drama.
24:15.9
ordinaryong Pilipino
24:18.7
at least in spirit
24:21.1
ay makasama rito.
24:24.1
as a parallel track
24:25.3
beyond the government
24:28.1
government efforts.
24:40.6
na hindi naman siya
24:42.1
of what's happening?
24:43.9
Ba't kami gagastos
24:54.6
pwede naman namin
24:57.8
sila nalang magbahagi.
25:01.8
hindi ba nila nakita
25:09.9
marami na nagbibigay,
25:11.1
pero kahit pa paano
25:15.1
itong limited donations
25:21.8
We cannot give it
25:23.4
Kundi wala nang impact.
25:25.2
we're able to raise
25:39.5
yung nakipag-patintero
25:41.7
sa Chinese Coast Guard,
25:46.5
So, yung community niya,
25:47.5
yun yung bibigyan namin.
25:49.3
hindi naman namin pwede
25:50.1
bigyan lahat ng communities.
25:57.2
suggestion ng NSC na,
25:58.5
o, bigyan nyo lang,
25:59.2
kami nalang magdi-distribute.
26:02.4
purpose ng konboy.
26:06.1
they're putting China
26:14.5
dahil susunod naman
26:17.2
with the Coast Guard.
26:20.5
may mga Chinese vessels
26:24.9
at aatras na yan.
26:52.0
of our resistance
26:56.4
navy in the world,
27:04.1
I get what you're saying.
27:05.4
Ang ting ko lang kasi is
27:12.9
because kailangan natin
27:15.4
At the same time,
27:16.5
for the first time
27:17.3
in seven years or so,
27:18.9
sobrang assertive na tayo doon.
27:23.8
trying to figure out
27:24.8
how do we coordinate
27:26.0
this with our allies,
27:27.9
but also with partners,
27:29.2
joint patrols in the air.
27:30.3
So siguro ang point
27:30.9
ng government dito is
27:32.0
can you just give us
27:33.3
a little bit of time?
27:34.1
Let's find a proper
27:35.5
stable status quo
27:38.2
later on you can come
27:39.3
But now is just not
27:40.7
the best time for this.
27:44.0
the taxpayers' money
27:45.6
our national interests.
27:47.0
Bakit kayo nandun?
27:49.7
of where the government comes.
27:50.7
And the second thing is,
27:52.2
what is your assurance
27:53.2
that China might not
27:54.5
do something stupid
27:55.5
and ni-water cannon niya
27:56.6
yung mga kababayan natin
27:58.9
na wala naman training
28:01.2
potentially violent situations
28:02.8
and that might lead
28:04.0
to a very dangerous situation.
28:05.7
Because unlike the supply,
28:07.9
unlike the supply,
28:09.2
like the supply boats
28:10.0
and the Coast Guard,
28:11.8
hindi naman ipipilit.
28:17.7
meron na mga Chinese vessels.
28:25.4
Sandali si Noel Cabangon
28:27.4
or kung nandun si Manny Pacquiao,
28:30.0
kakaway-kaway siya.
28:32.1
Bakit daw kasi sumama
28:33.3
si Manny Pacquiao
28:39.2
So baka separate na
28:42.4
So magkakaroon ng gano'ng
28:45.6
sasabihin ng Coast Guard,
28:50.5
Dahil hindi sila,
28:52.2
hindi yan pipilit
28:54.9
May mga pari nakasama,
28:56.9
possibly a bishop,
28:59.0
So magkukan sila.
29:03.6
dahil Christmas nga eh.
29:05.9
Christmas sa February.
29:07.4
Siguro gagawa kami
29:09.2
kung gusto mo yun,
29:10.2
Valentine's convoy
29:14.2
it's supposed to be
29:15.1
a Christmas convoy, no?
29:20.1
Why not last year?
29:21.4
Why not two years ago?
29:22.5
Why not five years ago?
29:27.6
Dahil ngayon lang kasi,
29:30.1
nakita-kita itong,
29:32.6
nakausap lang ito
29:34.6
Secretary de Rosario
29:37.3
sa isang conference
29:39.0
Edicio de la Torre.
29:40.6
Si Father Edicio de la Torre
29:42.0
merong show sa CNN.
29:46.8
ang tawag nila ay
29:47.9
the blue economy.
29:50.8
nababasapa nila dyan
29:54.0
at saka Coast Guard.
29:55.9
why can't we make
29:56.8
a more sustained effort?
30:00.2
and to support them.
30:02.2
Pero parallel dyan,
30:04.5
Dahil maraming Pilipino
30:06.4
what is on close?
30:07.8
Maraming Pilipino
30:09.0
ano ba yung kalapatan natin
30:10.3
sa West Philippine Sea?
30:11.4
Ano ba itong away
30:12.5
sa BRP Sierra Madre?
30:14.0
So, parallel dyan,
30:15.7
Is partly educational.
30:18.0
That's why they made
30:19.0
a 3-4 minute documentary
30:22.9
about the West Philippine Sea
30:25.6
na ginagamit ngayon
30:27.1
sa mga campus tours.
30:30.5
nagsimula yung caravan
30:31.5
para ipe-present yan.
30:33.1
Kakanta si Noel Cabango
30:34.3
nung ginawa niyang kanta
30:35.6
about the West Philippine Sea.
30:37.0
Tapos, may mga speeches.
30:43.2
it's not clear to me
30:45.3
all of that educational
30:49.6
all of nation approach,
30:50.7
but you can do it
30:53.4
and the Philippine Navy
30:54.7
kasi parang nagpa-parallel
30:58.8
government agency
30:59.9
and there's a fear
31:02.3
It's not ritual exclusive.
31:04.6
all of those things
31:06.5
kayong isa sa panatag si Ronald.
31:07.6
lahat ng caravan na yan,
31:09.0
lahat ng concerts na yan,
31:10.9
may free concerts
31:17.3
is the dramatic event
31:22.6
Pupunta ka sa pag-asa,
31:24.2
can that disrupt?
31:25.9
Can that catalyze?
31:29.3
it's the BRPC Ramadre.
31:30.7
Whether we like it or not.
31:32.5
Yan yung front line eh.
31:35.2
if there'll be a crisis
31:36.9
then pupunta kayo doon
31:37.7
sa kung saan may crisis.
31:40.8
may mga milisya ng China.
31:42.1
Papadala sila ng libo.
31:43.5
Hindi naman libo-libo,
31:45.5
mga milisya forces
31:46.9
to surround pag-asa,
31:49.8
what you're saying is
31:50.4
whenever there's a worst case scenario,
31:52.3
that's where you wanna go
31:54.3
Isn't that dangerous?
31:56.4
what we should avoid?
31:58.3
you can symbolically
31:59.6
and operationally
32:00.5
support the Philippine government,
32:01.9
but by going to the most dangerous place,
32:05.1
daredevil-ing this thing?
32:06.9
No, because there's
32:17.2
na we're almost sure
32:19.0
gusto nilang tanggalin.
32:21.4
pwede tanggalin yung
32:22.4
island ng pag-asa.
32:25.9
permanent outpost.
32:28.7
permanent outpost
32:30.0
sa dulo ng ating EEZ.
32:32.5
Yun yung value niya.
32:36.7
wala yan sa Ayungin,
32:41.2
before they were planning
32:45.5
Ang meron lang yan
32:48.3
Pag-asa is an island.
32:51.1
yung mga periphery yan
32:56.3
in the West Philippine Sea.
33:00.3
na talagang tatanggalin yan.
33:07.2
the moral correct term,
33:08.7
is the frontier now,
33:13.3
just to be clear,
33:15.1
you see what I'm doing,
33:15.7
I'm interrogating
33:17.3
because I want to also
33:18.3
understand where is
33:20.2
they're also coming from.
33:21.4
So your argument,
33:22.7
is there are two things
33:24.7
Second Tomas Choll
33:27.3
because alanganin
33:28.8
yung situation natin dyan
33:29.9
kasi yung Sierra Madre
33:32.4
how long it's gonna last.
33:37.1
may isla na talaga.
33:38.1
May isla na talaga dyan.
33:38.7
Or ginugupit natin
33:41.0
But the second one,
33:41.8
which I think is very important
33:42.8
that you mention is,
33:44.0
and I agree with this part
33:46.9
bakuran talaga natin,
33:48.8
this is not an island,
33:50.1
it's just a low tide elevation
33:51.5
within our exclusive
33:53.4
China doesn't even have
33:54.5
any business being there.
33:56.5
the Philippine Civil Society,
33:57.7
you're reminding the world
33:58.8
that China doesn't even
34:03.1
It's just a low tide elevation.
34:05.2
So that's the key
34:05.9
of the Philippines.
34:06.9
It's like going to
34:09.0
It's part of the Philippines.
34:10.7
Going to your front yard,
34:18.5
Christmas lights,
34:21.9
some of them has belen,
34:23.9
and then Christmas gifts.
34:26.4
Pag yan hihinarang,
34:28.5
yung mga Chinese vessels,
34:31.3
kahit yan hihirangan,
34:32.4
anong itsura niyan
34:33.3
sa buong Pilipinas?
34:35.3
Anong itsura niyan
34:37.8
So you want to galvanize?
34:39.3
So you want to galvanize support?
34:42.5
small fishing vessels.
34:49.3
some with Santa Claus,
34:59.4
China doesn't see it
35:00.5
as non-threatening.
35:02.0
as a direct challenge.
35:02.9
Yes, but it doesn't matter,
35:05.9
Anong image ng China?
35:09.6
Bringing Christmas cheer.
35:12.1
in other parts of the world,
35:14.6
Pangit na yung image nila.
35:16.2
Kailangan pa natin
35:16.9
kung pangitan pa.
35:22.1
hindi pa nila alam
35:25.3
What is the entitlements
35:26.5
in the West Philippine Sea?
35:28.2
non-dice-nine-dice line?
35:30.6
BRP siya ramadre?
35:32.1
Tayo, alam natin yan.
35:33.2
But what percentage
35:35.2
understand this thing?
35:40.4
Sabi nga natin kanina.
35:42.8
It's a rallying point
35:43.7
you're looking at.
35:44.3
Yes, pwede naman magkaroon
35:45.3
ng educational program.
35:46.9
Pwede naman magkaroon
35:49.0
Pwede naman magpansya.
35:51.1
to catalyze that,
35:53.5
to be interested,
36:01.6
I see where you're coming from.
36:02.9
I mean, you can see
36:03.4
my reservations with this.
36:04.9
I'm kind of 50-50 really
36:06.2
honestly on this.
36:07.0
I see the both sides
36:07.9
of this argument.
36:09.1
Because lahat naman tayo
36:09.9
mahal natin ang West Philippine Sea.
36:11.5
This is a question of tactics,
36:13.5
What is the best means
36:14.6
to protect the Philippine West
36:16.4
Your argument is,
36:17.9
huwag tayong magpatakot
36:20.7
Huwag tayong magpa-intimidate
36:23.0
Wala silang basean
36:24.0
to even be there.
36:26.1
it's important that
36:27.0
the Filipino people
36:27.8
see Filipino people
36:30.3
Not just military,
36:31.2
not just Coast Guard and all.
36:32.3
And that could be a catalyst
36:34.4
mobilization of society
36:36.2
Okay, I see your argument.
36:37.5
I may not exactly agree with it
36:39.7
narrow down natin
36:40.6
bakit ito yung case.
36:43.2
I don't think hindi klaro masyado
36:44.4
yung two sides of the argument.
36:46.2
Kasi usually lang
36:49.6
So, thank you Ronald
36:50.2
for being the de facto spokesman
36:56.2
Which you're not.
36:57.0
Kaya nga sabi ko de facto,
36:58.4
And I didn't want to act
36:59.4
as de facto spokesman
37:00.5
for the government.
37:01.4
But we're just doing this
37:02.7
for the sake of argument.
37:03.9
Again, lahat natin,
37:04.9
lahat tayong mahal natin
37:05.7
ng what's real business.
37:06.3
But the bottom line,
37:08.2
ay ayaw ng koalisyon
37:10.2
na makaaway ang Coast Guard,
37:12.1
na makaaway ang NSC.
37:13.6
So, maghahanap sila
37:14.5
ng what's the best compromise.
37:18.3
What is the possible compromise?
37:19.8
Na hindi malalagay
37:21.4
yung civil society
37:22.7
but at the same time
37:24.9
na ito ay ating bakuran.
37:26.9
Ito ay ating front lawn.
37:30.0
Na dapat walang nagsasabi sa atin
37:32.3
kung sino ang pwede pumunta.
37:33.8
Yun nga ang kalagay
37:34.7
ng ating fishermen eh.
37:35.9
Sa harassment eh.
37:38.7
ay kasama natin sila.
37:40.4
Kasama natin sila.
37:41.8
So, may sasamang trade unions,
37:44.4
may sasamang students.
37:46.0
So, hindi lang sila
37:46.7
purely manging isda.
37:48.2
May sasamang church.
37:51.5
hindi pa ito ginawa eh.
37:53.2
Hindi pa ito ginawa.
37:54.5
At iba yung mangyayari
37:55.9
kung pupunta ka lang sa pag-asa.
37:58.7
Ibang iba yung impact.
38:05.2
puwera muna yung pag-asa.
38:06.7
Yun ang pinakamahalaga sa atin.
38:12.6
Thank you so much,
38:15.0
de facto spokesman.
38:17.2
We need this discussion
38:18.4
kasi that's why we're here.
38:20.4
hindi naman tayo mga ano lang dito.
38:22.6
like singing each other's song.
38:24.0
No, we're here talaga
38:24.8
to examine issues
38:30.9
kaya maganda yung R&R
38:37.5
dalawang makulit.
38:40.6
Dalawang devil's advocate.
38:42.5
kung sino yung mas devilish.
38:46.3
ako yung advocate.
38:48.3
Thank you so much,
38:49.3
Secretary Leangas.
38:50.6
on the next episode,
38:51.6
balikan muna natin ulit
38:53.5
the whole Dalima,
38:55.1
Harry Roque issue.
38:56.9
But there's another thing
38:57.6
we also have to discuss.
38:58.7
President Marcos Jr.
38:59.6
recently was in Hawaii
39:01.1
and there's a lot
39:02.0
to discuss about that.
39:03.2
thank you very much
39:03.8
Secretary Leangas
39:04.3
for sharing your views