English Summary of Video (AI):
The video includes a discussion between the host and guest Secretary Ronald Llamas. Below are the summarized points of their conversation in bullet points:
- Secretary Llamas was casually invited to the show where they joked about waking up early for a 6:30 AM program segment, which Llamas found difficult due to being an insomniac.
- Discussion about the lack of monetary compensation for their appearances on the program, and the giving of t-shirts instead.
- Mention of Llamas becoming more well-known through his appearances with Christian Guzguerra, and a joking reference to Llamas as a "swinging progressive."
- Technical issues experienced during online shows, like session interruptions and audio problems that affected interviews, particularly one with Sunny Africa on oligarchs and conglomerates.
- Internet connectivity issues faced by Secretary Llamas were touched upon.
- Mention of a meeting between Secretary Llamas and other personalities like Christian, Michael, and Dolis at a food stall in UP.
- Llamas jokingly suggested that the host invite Cristiano Ronaldo to the show and discussed different levels of production quality and investment in vlogger equipment.
- The conversation included anecdotes about the host getting a t-shirt from a radio station and talks about Llamas and the host creating their own TV show.
- Discussion on Harry Roque's comments about the judge involved in Senator Leila de Lima's case being his former student, speculating on Roque's attempt to rebrand himself amid changing political dynamics.
- The guest briefly talked about the idea of a “People’s Convoy” to BRP Sierra Madre for the West Philippine Sea issue, suggesting the convoy as a symbol of support for the contested waters.
- They commented on the political positioning and posturing of some politicians like Francis Tolentino and Bong Go, who now demonstrate stronger patriotic and assertive stances on the West Philippine Sea issue.
- Recognition of Leila de Lima's recent release and discussions on the current political climate, touching upon government officials' shifting image and future career prospects.
- The conversation covered the civil society convoy planning to bring gifts and cheer to the soldiers stationed at the BRP Sierra Madre in Ayungin Shoal, despite the Philippine government being against this for security concerns and the risk of China’s potential retaliation.
- Apprehension about the Beveridge Reef (Ayunan Shoal) being a focal point where China attempts to impede access and supplies.
- The conversation ended with a back-and-forth on the implications and concerns of such a convoy potentially increasing tension in the area, with particular mention of its symbolism and the public's lack of awareness about the Philippines' rights and claims in the West Philippine Sea.
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00:00.0
Alright, this is it. Kasama po natin ngayon si favorite guest ni Christian Guzguerra. I'm just kidding. Favorite guest ng lahat ay si Secretary Ronald Llamas. Kamusta kayo, Secretary?
00:13.5
Okay naman. Waiting for your invitation. Buti naman, ininbitahan mo ako.
00:18.6
Aba, aba, aba. Meron akong bago twice a week. Kwan, Alvin El Chico, at saka Dolis Pigornia. Kaso ahaga, 6.30. I don't wake up that much. Pero siyempre, prime time.
00:38.5
Ayan ako, Ronald. Magpasalamat sa amin ni Cristiano at saka ni Ricardo. Dahil sa amin dalawa, nakilala ka talaga ng gusto ng mga tao.
00:47.2
Hindi nila before pa.
00:48.6
Pero this time, alam nila, magaling talaga ito si Ronald.
00:51.7
Pinahirapan mo nyo nga ako. 6.30, who wakes up at 6 a.m.? Lalo na ako, insomniac ako. Kaya minsan, sisigiling ko kayo.
01:03.6
Tinulak nyo ako sa bangin, tapos wala namang bayad. T-shirt lang.
01:06.4
Basta ako ang sisigil sa'yo kasi ako yung talent manager mo ngayon. Pinansikat ka namin ni Christian lalo.
01:14.3
Kaso puro pro bono. Walang bayad.
01:16.7
Hindi pa na, ubus yung drinks na binigay ko sa'yo. Ano nga yan? Naka one session pa yan.
01:23.8
Hindi ka tulad ni Christian at saka ni Michael. Ang daming ads. Sabi ko, ba? Pumikita yata ito mga ito. May mga TV ads.
01:33.8
Binaba ko ngayon yung ads ko para di ka na magsalita.
01:38.2
Nabansin mo, pag mga ka-RNR, pag mga topic na humanitarian, wala akong ads.
01:44.7
Like ads sa Dalima.
01:46.7
So as a matter of principle, this is not to pass a judgment on others, but it's clearly for a humanity.
01:52.1
Yung nilalagay ko lang ads yung mga iba na pinaghirapan natin, pero yung iba, hindi ko nilalagay.
01:56.5
So pag the topic is, you know, malapit sa puso, dapat no ads yan, no motivation whatsoever.
02:02.1
So yun yung public service natin yan.
02:04.5
Sabi ko, progressive ka pa rin.
02:06.2
Oo naman, Ronald.
02:07.6
Diba, kahit mainstream ka na, you're still a swinging progressive.
02:12.6
Oo naman, Ronald.
02:13.6
Ako swinging lang eh. Ako swinging lang.
02:16.7
You're a swinging progressive.
02:18.2
Pero maraming nagtatanong yung ating threesome ni Leloy eh.
02:23.9
Pwede daw putol. Parang fan.
02:26.0
Diba, meron tayong technical, kasi sa bagya.
02:29.3
Kala ko na ayos mo yun.
02:32.0
Kaya Ronald, mas masama pa nangyari.
02:34.3
Yung kay Sunny Africa, in-interview ko siya ng two days after us.
02:38.3
Oh my God, inang beses inulit-ulit-ulit namin.
02:41.7
Kasi ang topic namin, oligarchs, conglomerates.
02:45.1
Sabi ko, parang sinasabot.
02:47.3
Eh yung dalawang option mo sa internet, parehong, alam mo na, diba, conglomerates.
02:52.7
Ang dami nag-tip-text sa akin, okay yung kanyo ah.
02:57.2
Yung iba, oh putol.
02:58.6
Nasaan yung karugtok?
03:00.1
So we have to do it again.
03:01.6
Yung ginagawa natin.
03:03.4
Hindi, siguro yung putol, yung live version ng YouTube.
03:07.2
Pero sa Facebook, okay naman eh.
03:10.1
So the audio should be perfect.
03:12.4
Pasalan mo mga salamang, wala kasi akong Facebook eh.
03:15.7
I'll forward to you.
03:16.7
Dami nang tatanong.
03:18.9
Hindi masasayang.
03:20.5
No, walang masasayang.
03:22.0
Kasi the audio, kaya nga may live tayo on the side.
03:24.2
It's because the audio will be there.
03:26.2
Just in case things go wrong.
03:27.3
Kaya even yung kay, ano, kay Sunny na sobrang sabog yung internet.
03:30.9
I don't know why bigla.
03:32.5
Nakuha ko na lahat ng audio.
03:33.7
So at least we have the proper audio.
03:37.0
Let's set up another one with si Parang RRL.
03:41.2
And I was also talking to Cristiano Ronaldo.
03:43.4
Para isama nyo sa akin.
03:46.7
Si Cristian yata gusto niya, ano eh, production level.
03:49.1
Sabi niya, I'll be, ano, ano.
03:50.9
Sabi ko, hindi, relax lang.
03:51.8
Zoom lang muna tayo.
03:53.0
Let's start, ano.
03:54.5
Huwag tayo mag-advance, mag-isip.
03:56.6
Chill lang tayo, diba?
03:57.9
Oo, pag nangyayari yun.
04:00.1
The podcast of the decade.
04:03.1
That's the ultimate collab.
04:04.9
Dalawang mainstream podcaster, tsaka isang asshole.
04:10.0
Basta hindi ako yung isa.
04:12.4
Maala kayo mag-wilin sa inyo dalawa.
04:16.7
Ronald, kamusta yung ano ninyo ni Cristian?
04:18.6
Meron kayong picture-picture pa na, ano, glamour shot sa,
04:22.4
Nagsishot-shot lang.
04:23.7
Ah, karinder niya sa UP Sangkan Garden.
04:26.9
Sa UP pa naman, territory ko yan.
04:29.2
Nara parapan niya.
04:31.0
Nagsasawa na kasi siya eh.
04:32.6
Nagsasawa na siya sa mga zoom-zoom, no?
04:35.1
Don't not invite.
04:36.9
Ang ganda nung palmol.
04:37.8
Ang Armani suits mo, no?
04:39.2
Don't not invite me.
04:40.9
Hindi naman kami pwede mag-Armani.
04:42.5
So, doon na lang kami sa fishbowl.
04:44.6
No, kumakain kami ng fishbowl.
04:47.2
Let me be very clear.
04:48.3
Pero kung pa niya, ang topic na ron, no?
04:50.5
Ang topic na ron, how I became me.
04:54.4
Paano daw ako naging me?
04:57.6
Eh, nakuna ka na ron.
04:58.8
Ginawa mo yan dati.
05:00.9
Tony Gonzaga level pala yung ginawa niya.
05:03.2
Yan ang tanong niya, no?
05:04.8
Binago niya yung format.
05:05.8
Ay, nako, Ronald.
05:06.7
For all my Armani suits and all,
05:09.1
wala pa akong production team.
05:12.4
Sobrang mga isang camera lang ng phone.
05:16.7
Pari na Ilocano budget.
05:18.8
Eh, si Christian parang nakaset up pa eh
05:21.0
nung in-interview niya sa video namin.
05:22.9
May earned camera here, may earned camera there.
05:29.3
Kaya dapat kumuha ka na lang ganun.
05:31.9
Aayusin yung protocols.
05:34.2
Aayusin yung pano.
05:37.5
Kaya minsan nakakaproblema yung aking wifi
05:41.0
dahil pala to eh.
05:42.7
Kailangan natin mag-invest saan natin
05:46.7
Vlogger logistics.
05:48.0
Si Christian medyo advanced.
05:49.6
May merchandise pa nga siya.
05:52.0
Gagawa rin ako ng version ko.
05:53.6
Yung purple version.
05:55.0
Maganda pa ako ng graphic designer.
05:56.5
Bilikan din ako ni Michael Pahatin
05:58.2
ng Politiscope t-shirt.
06:01.9
Nag-ask ako si Doris Bigorne.
06:05.5
Nakaka-cut lang ako rito ah.
06:07.9
ilan ba dapat bago bigyan niyo ako ng t-shirt?
06:11.0
Ng Tenerobio Servicio.
06:15.4
Di ba yung isang agenda natin dito,
06:18.8
palig tayo sa TV5 ng show natin,
06:21.1
gawa tayo sa sarili.
06:21.8
Pero ikaw, nandun ka eh.
06:23.9
Pero gawa tayo sa sarili natin,
06:25.5
yung parang wag po.
06:26.5
Pero meron kayo sa gabi,
06:27.5
ano yung bago nang meet sila, Jove?
06:33.7
Hindi, sa totoo lang.
06:36.1
si Patrick at si Edling Gaw?
06:40.0
The story is behind
06:42.4
4 p.m. yan, di ba?
06:43.7
Na-interview nila ako.
06:45.4
I guess ako dun twice, no?
06:47.4
Gusto nila maging regular ako.
06:49.4
nag-a-adjust pa sila eh.
06:52.9
Baka para magkaroon din tayong version.
06:54.9
Kasi dami nagko-comment
06:55.9
pag nagpo-post tayong dalawa.
06:57.9
nag-wag po kayong dalawa.
06:59.7
Ang kulit-kulit nyo.
07:00.8
Nag-andadaldal yung dalawa.
07:03.1
May problema sa story-con.
07:05.4
Kailangan naka-Armani suit.
07:07.5
Eh, yung suits ko,
07:08.9
divisorya lang eh.
07:10.8
Divisorya lang eh.
07:16.0
Mga ganyan style mo, Ronald.
07:17.9
Yan ang nagbibigay ng authenticity sa'yo.
07:21.1
Progressive ka pa rin.
07:23.1
mag-progressive ako sa'yo.
07:26.6
Swinging progressive.
07:27.9
Ako, just swinging.
07:31.4
huwag na na tayo.
07:32.2
Baka papuntang swinger na itong topic.
07:34.5
Bago pumunta tayo sa...
07:36.3
Pag-asa pa natin yung love life mo.
07:38.8
mas tatas ang ratings mo niya,
07:40.1
yung love life mo.
07:42.0
Daming nagkikintay diyan.
07:44.9
magpa-interview din tayo
07:49.2
Gawin tayo ng maritest na RRC.
07:52.2
Now, eto, eto, eto.
07:53.2
Ronald, let's talk about it.
07:54.6
So, later this week,
07:55.9
I'm hoping to interview also
07:57.1
Layla, of course.
07:59.3
Christian had a fantastic interview also
08:00.7
with Senator De Lima.
08:02.0
I suggest people to check that.
08:04.1
I always make sure na
08:05.1
I and Christian bring different perspective
08:06.7
to similar issues
08:08.5
para lang, you know,
08:09.6
enriching discussion.
08:10.9
Going back to Layla issue,
08:11.9
anong basa mo kay Harry Roque
08:14.9
Ay, etong judge niya
08:16.2
nag-oversee nung ano ni Layla
08:17.8
ay favorite student ko
08:20.5
What is he trying to do there?
08:24.3
siya'y susunod siya
08:26.6
doon sa listahan ni De Lima
08:27.9
ng mga tormentors niya?
08:29.2
Or he's trying to,
08:32.6
He's trying to reboot his image?
08:35.1
Or nakikirelevant lang siya?
08:36.6
What's going on there?
08:37.9
Well, nagbabackpedal siya
08:40.8
unang days ng paglaya ni
08:44.9
ay todo ang tira nila
08:49.2
sentiments nung kanilang
08:53.8
ex-president Duterte.
08:58.1
siguro nakita nila na
08:59.6
public sentiment is not
09:03.8
Siguro nakita nila na
09:06.7
yung mga statements
09:14.9
papunta na sa extreme
09:20.4
So, sinusubukan nilang,
09:22.2
siyempre, tingin nila sa sarili nila,
09:23.8
especially si Harry,
09:25.0
meron pa siyang political future.
09:28.9
na medyo suicide bomber na.
09:32.7
Nearing 80 ka na,
09:34.0
tapos ex-president ka,
09:40.0
Sure, na-realize nila
09:42.2
hindi pa naman kami
09:42.8
zero-sum game, ha?
09:44.8
magkaroon ng political future
09:48.3
if we play our cards right.
09:50.9
nagsa-soft pedal sila,
09:53.5
Tinitignan nila kung
09:57.0
pwede pa sila mag-adjust, no?
09:58.3
Unlike the president, no?
10:00.7
Dahil baka ayaw din nila maipit,
10:02.9
dito sa mga nagbubunggu
10:04.2
ang mga elepante,
10:08.6
pag nagbubungguan yung elepante,
10:10.8
medyo tantabi tayo ng konti,
10:12.5
Manonood na lang tayo,
10:13.4
labas ng popcorn, no?
10:14.8
Baka na-realize din nila.
10:16.3
Anong animal ba tayo, Ronald,
10:17.9
kung elepante nila tayo?
10:19.1
Ba zebra, lion, hyena?
10:23.1
Dahil minsan kasi yung elepante
10:24.3
natatakot sa daga, diba?
10:26.8
So, pwede muna tayo, no?
10:28.7
Ang problema sa daga,
10:29.9
kahit kinakatakotan ng elepante,
10:31.5
pag kinakatakotan ng tapakan,
10:34.5
So, kung walang tayo,
10:36.4
kilid-gilid lang tayo,
10:40.1
you're saying what's happening here
10:42.4
bongo meeting PCG,
10:43.4
making strong statements
10:45.5
on West Philippine Sea.
10:47.9
It's all part of the reboot.
10:52.0
Kasi malalat nga ako eh,
10:53.0
kay Francis Tolentino,
10:54.3
who is a PDP laban, diba?
10:56.8
And trabaho niya,
10:57.9
yung trabaho mo kay Digong.
10:59.6
you're a legal advisor.
11:01.3
Basa ko yung statement siya kahapon, no?
11:03.5
Pinapagalitan yung National Security Council
11:08.4
yung offer ng atin ito,
11:13.4
ilak pumunta sa BRP Sierra Madre
11:15.7
with a Christmas convoy,
11:20.5
Pinalatan niya yung NSC
11:28.7
to BRP Sierra Madre.
11:31.3
Talagang very sharp.
11:33.8
as ang sinasabi ni
11:34.7
Francis Tolentino,
11:35.9
dapat protectahan
11:38.5
itong convoy na ito
11:47.5
Cabinet Secretary yan
11:53.3
at kinikriticize mismo
11:55.3
ang National Security Council
12:00.1
may mga forces ngayon
12:01.9
na ang tingin nila
12:05.4
they are moving beyond
12:08.0
previous narrative
12:10.7
sa former president.
12:13.0
siguro nakita nila
12:14.1
writing on the wall,
12:15.9
untenable ito, ha?
12:17.2
Bata pa naman kami,
12:18.2
may future pa kami, no?
12:20.3
Kasing edad lang naman namin
12:21.8
si Richard Zahidarian, no?
12:26.0
umaalagwa all over the place.
12:27.9
So, baka naingit sila
12:31.3
na ito si Richard
12:34.7
what are we doing?
12:35.6
Are we committing
12:36.4
political suicide?
12:38.0
Are we talking in case?
12:39.6
They're excited yan.
12:47.4
binabalikan nila,
12:48.6
na should we go down
12:52.4
should we join him
12:58.1
maganda yung mga kulungan doon, no?
13:02.5
tingin mo yung mga
13:03.0
mga mga mga kulungan dyan,
13:05.1
tingin mo yung mga
13:06.5
writing on the wall.
13:08.9
let me push back a little bit,
13:10.8
not on this issue per se,
13:12.4
but I completely,
13:13.0
I agree with you na
13:15.3
ang first na nag-reboot
13:16.4
si Francis Tolentino.
13:18.7
earlier this year,
13:19.6
he was talking about
13:20.3
quadrilateral security cooperation,
13:25.2
parang si Haydari yan
13:27.6
parang line ko yan, ha?
13:29.9
Ang hirap i-spell noon, eh.
13:35.1
nag-masters pa siya ng law ulit,
13:37.1
na international law.
13:38.7
mga ganyan siyang drama.
13:45.3
sa special envoy-ish
13:48.5
nag-patriotism siya.
13:52.1
yung latest aggressive moves
13:54.9
tapos yung beshi mo,
13:56.0
si Robin Nutt Padilla,
13:57.3
medyo nag-change tone na rin
13:59.9
siya lahat ang huling sundalo
14:04.6
umipitik-pitik pa rin, eh.
14:07.1
Hindi ko na siya kinukuhan.
14:11.6
Hindi ko na siya inakawain.
14:15.7
nagkamin natin mga special guests dito.
14:18.4
but let me push back against this.
14:22.5
nag-release ng statement
14:24.4
Philippine Coast Guard
14:28.9
gagawin yung convoy
14:31.9
nakikita sa ETSA yung
14:37.0
cleared by the Philippine government.
14:38.9
This is not necessarily
14:39.9
in coordination with the Philippine government.
14:41.4
I think ang concern nila,
14:44.9
Na gagamitin ng China ito
14:46.9
to also do their own version
14:51.0
kunyare sa kanila
14:51.7
kasi hindi naman sila demokrasya.
14:53.3
Nothing can be done
14:54.1
without the coordination
14:55.1
of the government
14:55.5
unlike in the Philippines
14:56.4
na may demokrasya.
14:57.7
Ang fear kasi dito, Ronald,
14:58.9
is once we go down that road
15:01.0
of allowing the civil society
15:02.8
to be more actively engaged
15:04.3
in civil society,
15:05.5
the Chinese will do
15:06.4
their people's war at sea.
15:08.2
Alam na alam mo niya,
15:09.1
Ginagawa ng Soviet Union yan,
15:10.7
ginawa ng China yan.
15:11.5
And once it goes,
15:12.5
it goes into that,
15:13.1
medyo delikado na.
15:13.9
Kasi you can imagine, Ronald,
15:14.9
paano kung yung China
15:16.5
milyon-milyon na turista
15:18.1
kung nyari dyan, di ba?
15:19.1
And that creates complications.
15:22.3
panahon yun ni Aquino pa lang
15:23.7
pinag-usapan itong
15:25.0
potentially using
15:26.2
a whole-of-nation approach.
15:28.0
And I think that was vetoed
15:29.1
during Pinoy's time
15:30.8
because there was precisely
15:31.8
this concern about
15:32.8
China using this as a pretext
15:34.8
to elevate the situation.
15:36.6
So, I'm just trying to explain
15:38.6
where probably the government
15:39.8
is coming from, Ronald.
15:40.7
They're not against the spirit
15:42.5
All you're doing,
15:43.3
they're looking at the
15:43.8
operational implications
15:45.4
and how China may abuse it.
15:46.8
So, anong response mo dyan, Ronald?
15:48.9
So, I'm just playing
15:49.7
the devil's advocate.
15:50.7
Or rather, I'm saying
15:51.9
the government's side of this.
15:55.5
You even have horns.
15:57.3
And the government's side,
15:59.3
they're not necessarily the same.
16:02.2
what is your take on that argument?
16:04.2
Baka naman you're just
16:04.9
doing China pretext.
16:07.5
it's apples and oranges.
16:09.6
Parang mahirap i-compare
16:12.5
convoy na mga bangka.
16:19.0
and even Christmas trees.
16:23.1
World War II ship
16:26.0
20 soldiers or so.
16:29.9
Mahirap i-replicate yan
16:32.8
tanggapin ng mundo
16:36.9
of the imagination
16:39.0
i-package ng China
16:40.7
just doing the same.
16:45.5
Pero balikan ko lang muna
16:47.3
Parang malinaw yung context.
16:51.4
naglabas ng statement
16:53.0
ang National Security Council
16:56.6
through Yusek Malaya.
16:59.7
na sinasabi niya na
17:01.6
dinidiscourage namin ito.
17:08.7
Ang suggestion namin
17:10.8
pumunta na lang sila
17:17.8
bagamat may letter
17:26.1
wala ako sa leadership
17:30.4
Gumawa sila ng letter.
17:33.5
Asking permission
17:34.8
from the Coast Guard
17:36.2
and the National Security Council
17:38.4
for coordination.
17:41.3
They are not asking
17:45.0
ang tingin naman nila dito
17:46.1
sa West Philippine Sea
17:49.2
Parang kwanto eh.
17:53.6
Bakit kinakailangan mo
17:55.8
para pumunta sa iyong
17:58.0
Dahil ginagawa naman ito
17:59.5
lahat ng mga manging isda eh.
18:02.0
Nandun yung Coast Guard
18:05.4
permission to fish.
18:09.9
nitong people's convoy.
18:11.7
Kaya gumawa sila ng letter
18:14.1
formally sa Coast Guard
18:16.2
tsaka sa National Security Council
18:17.7
for coordination.
18:20.0
For coordination.
18:23.6
walang misunderstanding.
18:27.2
umanser si Yusek Malaya.
18:30.0
Ito nga yung sinabi niya.
18:31.9
Pero natuloy yung presscon.
18:34.1
Natuloy yung presscon
18:39.0
itong unofficial comment.
18:43.0
Na they're still going to continue.
18:45.6
Actually, kasama nga nila
18:46.8
for the first time
18:49.1
si Rear Admiral Ong.
18:53.5
At si Congressman Cabuchan
18:55.5
for the first time
18:58.4
Hindi kasi available
18:59.5
si Senator Sanitary Danes.
19:01.7
At saka si Boy Camacho
19:04.7
Reform the Armed Forces Movement.
19:07.0
First time na nagkasama
19:08.1
sa isang presscon
19:08.9
yung Magdalo at saka RAM.
19:11.7
Odd bedfellows biglang eh.
19:14.9
for the first time
19:15.6
yung Magsaysay Awardee
19:18.8
The first fisherman
19:19.7
to get a Magsaysay Awardee.
19:23.9
yung Vice Chairman
19:24.8
ng National Anti-Poverty Commission
19:26.8
for Fishermen and Farmers.
19:30.4
So, medyo maraming bago
19:31.9
nawala nung kanilang
19:33.8
Of course, nandun si
19:34.8
Senator Rizal Conteberos,
19:40.3
yung unofficial comment.
19:43.6
we're not asking permission,
19:45.0
we're asking for coordination.
19:48.4
itong kanilang sagot,
19:49.7
pero sana ma-formalize.
19:51.7
Sana ma-formalize.
19:53.5
yung pinadala nila
19:54.9
for coordination eh.
19:57.9
naglabas ng formal letter
19:59.2
ang National Security Council.
20:01.4
Formalizing yung statement
20:05.0
will you allow me to read the letter
20:06.4
para lang alam ng
20:08.3
ang kaibigan natin.
20:10.5
by the National Security Council.
20:14.0
by the Strategic Communications Office.
20:18.0
Assistant Director General
20:19.9
National Security Council.
20:21.2
some of you have already heard him
20:22.3
on my other interviews
20:24.5
including this week,
20:25.3
dun sa show natin.
20:26.7
The National Security Council
20:28.8
the planned Christmas convoy
20:30.2
to BRP Sierra Madre,
20:33.0
Saayong in Shoal,
20:33.8
or any similar undertaking
20:35.6
to the said Shoal.
20:37.0
While we support,
20:39.2
the intent of the
20:40.0
Ateneto Coalition
20:42.2
to our West Philippine Sea
20:48.1
of heightened tensions
20:49.1
within the Philippines
20:53.0
We encourage them
20:53.9
instead to undertake
20:54.8
the Christmas convoy
20:56.6
occupied features
20:57.7
in the Kalayan group
20:59.2
where Philippine troops
21:01.9
Other than Ayungin,
21:03.3
the following features,
21:12.5
They're also frontliners
21:13.7
in those features
21:14.7
and they also deserve
21:15.9
Christmas goodies
21:19.5
other occupied features,
21:20.9
the Christmas convoy
21:21.6
would be able to visit
21:24.0
of the West Philippine Sea
21:25.7
more fully realize
21:26.9
their stated goal
21:28.1
the living circumstances
21:29.3
and operational capabilities
21:32.0
and other civilian communities.
21:34.7
they can also turn over
21:36.0
to the Philippine Navy
21:39.0
yung Christmas donation
21:41.6
magbigay sa kanila.
21:43.7
our troops in Ayungin
21:44.8
shall are well supplied
21:45.8
by the Philippine Navy AFP
21:47.4
supported by the Philippine Coast Guard
21:48.7
through the regular
21:49.7
RORE resupply missions.
21:52.2
There is therefore
21:54.5
Christmas convoy mission
21:57.5
So, there are multiple here.
22:01.3
kayo pupunta sa iba
22:02.1
na hindi kasing gagulo
22:03.6
pero mahalaga din naman.
22:06.1
kami naman nag-resupply.
22:07.8
pwede naman ibigay sa amin
22:09.8
we're already doing that.
22:11.0
So, they're both questioning
22:13.9
when there is a risk
22:17.7
not just leave it to us
22:19.6
because after all,
22:21.1
this is our mandate.
22:23.0
why not go to the other islands
22:27.8
where there are also
22:28.9
frontliners that will
22:29.9
appreciate your Christmas
22:32.4
I think they totally
22:33.8
missed the point.
22:38.3
of our West Philippine Sea
22:40.7
Whether we like it or not
22:42.1
is the BRP Sierra Madre.
22:45.6
Kaya nga hinaharas
22:47.0
yung mga supply ships eh.
22:48.7
Dahil it is literally
22:54.6
on the side of China.
22:58.3
hindi naman pumupunta
23:01.1
pumupunta sa Pag-asa
23:02.3
or yung ilang mga
23:03.6
touristic islands
23:05.6
na nabanggit nila.
23:10.4
for the West Philippine Sea
23:11.6
whether we like it or not
23:12.9
is the BRP Sierra Madre.
23:23.1
of the Mutual Defense Treaty
23:24.5
because this is an active
23:25.9
this is an active
23:30.5
Kaya ang ginagawa nila
23:34.3
Tinatanggalan nila
23:35.9
Tinatanggalan nila
23:42.9
of our battleground
23:48.0
for our sovereign rights.
23:52.6
nandiyan yung drama.
24:15.9
ordinaryong Pilipino
24:18.7
at least in spirit
24:21.1
ay makasama rito.
24:24.1
as a parallel track
24:25.3
beyond the government
24:28.1
government efforts.
24:40.6
na hindi naman siya
24:42.1
of what's happening?
24:43.9
Ba't kami gagastos
24:54.6
pwede naman namin
24:57.8
sila nalang magbahagi.
25:01.8
hindi ba nila nakita
25:09.9
marami na nagbibigay,
25:11.1
pero kahit pa paano
25:15.1
itong limited donations
25:21.8
We cannot give it
25:23.4
Kundi wala nang impact.
25:25.2
we're able to raise
25:39.5
yung nakipag-patintero
25:41.7
sa Chinese Coast Guard,
25:46.5
So, yung community niya,
25:47.5
yun yung bibigyan namin.
25:49.3
hindi naman namin pwede
25:50.1
bigyan lahat ng communities.
25:57.2
suggestion ng NSC na,
25:58.5
o, bigyan nyo lang,
25:59.2
kami nalang magdi-distribute.
26:02.4
purpose ng konboy.
26:06.1
they're putting China
26:14.5
dahil susunod naman
26:17.2
with the Coast Guard.
26:20.5
may mga Chinese vessels
26:24.9
at aatras na yan.
26:52.0
of our resistance
26:56.4
navy in the world,
27:04.1
I get what you're saying.
27:05.4
Ang ting ko lang kasi is
27:12.9
because kailangan natin
27:15.4
At the same time,
27:16.5
for the first time
27:17.3
in seven years or so,
27:18.9
sobrang assertive na tayo doon.
27:23.8
trying to figure out
27:24.8
how do we coordinate
27:26.0
this with our allies,
27:27.9
but also with partners,
27:29.2
joint patrols in the air.
27:30.3
So siguro ang point
27:30.9
ng government dito is
27:32.0
can you just give us
27:33.3
a little bit of time?
27:34.1
Let's find a proper
27:35.5
stable status quo
27:38.2
later on you can come
27:39.3
But now is just not
27:40.7
the best time for this.
27:44.0
the taxpayers' money
27:45.6
our national interests.
27:47.0
Bakit kayo nandun?
27:49.7
of where the government comes.
27:50.7
And the second thing is,
27:52.2
what is your assurance
27:53.2
that China might not
27:54.5
do something stupid
27:55.5
and ni-water cannon niya
27:56.6
yung mga kababayan natin
27:58.9
na wala naman training
28:01.2
potentially violent situations
28:02.8
and that might lead
28:04.0
to a very dangerous situation.
28:05.7
Because unlike the supply,
28:07.9
unlike the supply,
28:09.2
like the supply boats
28:10.0
and the Coast Guard,
28:11.8
hindi naman ipipilit.
28:17.7
meron na mga Chinese vessels.
28:25.4
Sandali si Noel Cabangon
28:27.4
or kung nandun si Manny Pacquiao,
28:30.0
kakaway-kaway siya.
28:32.1
Bakit daw kasi sumama
28:33.3
si Manny Pacquiao
28:39.2
So baka separate na
28:42.4
So magkakaroon ng gano'ng
28:45.6
sasabihin ng Coast Guard,
28:50.5
Dahil hindi sila,
28:52.2
hindi yan pipilit
28:54.9
May mga pari nakasama,
28:56.9
possibly a bishop,
28:59.0
So magkukan sila.
29:03.6
dahil Christmas nga eh.
29:05.9
Christmas sa February.
29:07.4
Siguro gagawa kami
29:09.2
kung gusto mo yun,
29:10.2
Valentine's convoy
29:14.2
it's supposed to be
29:15.1
a Christmas convoy, no?
29:20.1
Why not last year?
29:21.4
Why not two years ago?
29:22.5
Why not five years ago?
29:27.6
Dahil ngayon lang kasi,
29:30.1
nakita-kita itong,
29:32.6
nakausap lang ito
29:34.6
Secretary de Rosario
29:37.3
sa isang conference
29:39.0
Edicio de la Torre.
29:40.6
Si Father Edicio de la Torre
29:42.0
merong show sa CNN.
29:46.8
ang tawag nila ay
29:47.9
the blue economy.
29:50.8
nababasapa nila dyan
29:54.0
at saka Coast Guard.
29:55.9
why can't we make
29:56.8
a more sustained effort?
30:00.2
and to support them.
30:02.2
Pero parallel dyan,
30:04.5
Dahil maraming Pilipino
30:06.4
what is on close?
30:07.8
Maraming Pilipino
30:09.0
ano ba yung kalapatan natin
30:10.3
sa West Philippine Sea?
30:11.4
Ano ba itong away
30:12.5
sa BRP Sierra Madre?
30:14.0
So, parallel dyan,
30:15.7
Is partly educational.
30:18.0
That's why they made
30:19.0
a 3-4 minute documentary
30:22.9
about the West Philippine Sea
30:25.6
na ginagamit ngayon
30:27.1
sa mga campus tours.
30:30.5
nagsimula yung caravan
30:31.5
para ipe-present yan.
30:33.1
Kakanta si Noel Cabango
30:34.3
nung ginawa niyang kanta
30:35.6
about the West Philippine Sea.
30:37.0
Tapos, may mga speeches.
30:43.2
it's not clear to me
30:45.3
all of that educational
30:49.6
all of nation approach,
30:50.7
but you can do it
30:53.4
and the Philippine Navy
30:54.7
kasi parang nagpa-parallel
30:58.8
government agency
30:59.9
and there's a fear
31:02.3
It's not ritual exclusive.
31:04.6
all of those things
31:06.5
kayong isa sa panatag si Ronald.
31:07.6
lahat ng caravan na yan,
31:09.0
lahat ng concerts na yan,
31:10.9
may free concerts
31:17.3
is the dramatic event
31:22.6
Pupunta ka sa pag-asa,
31:24.2
can that disrupt?
31:25.9
Can that catalyze?
31:29.3
it's the BRPC Ramadre.
31:30.7
Whether we like it or not.
31:32.5
Yan yung front line eh.
31:35.2
if there'll be a crisis
31:36.9
then pupunta kayo doon
31:37.7
sa kung saan may crisis.
31:40.8
may mga milisya ng China.
31:42.1
Papadala sila ng libo.
31:43.5
Hindi naman libo-libo,
31:45.5
mga milisya forces
31:46.9
to surround pag-asa,
31:49.8
what you're saying is
31:50.4
whenever there's a worst case scenario,
31:52.3
that's where you wanna go
31:54.3
Isn't that dangerous?
31:56.4
what we should avoid?
31:58.3
you can symbolically
31:59.6
and operationally
32:00.5
support the Philippine government,
32:01.9
but by going to the most dangerous place,
32:05.1
daredevil-ing this thing?
32:06.9
No, because there's
32:17.2
na we're almost sure
32:19.0
gusto nilang tanggalin.
32:21.4
pwede tanggalin yung
32:22.4
island ng pag-asa.
32:25.9
permanent outpost.
32:28.7
permanent outpost
32:30.0
sa dulo ng ating EEZ.
32:32.5
Yun yung value niya.
32:36.7
wala yan sa Ayungin,
32:41.2
before they were planning
32:45.5
Ang meron lang yan
32:48.3
Pag-asa is an island.
32:51.1
yung mga periphery yan
32:56.3
in the West Philippine Sea.
33:00.3
na talagang tatanggalin yan.
33:07.2
the moral correct term,
33:08.7
is the frontier now,
33:13.3
just to be clear,
33:15.1
you see what I'm doing,
33:15.7
I'm interrogating
33:17.3
because I want to also
33:18.3
understand where is
33:20.2
they're also coming from.
33:21.4
So your argument,
33:22.7
is there are two things
33:24.7
Second Tomas Choll
33:27.3
because alanganin
33:28.8
yung situation natin dyan
33:29.9
kasi yung Sierra Madre
33:32.4
how long it's gonna last.
33:37.1
may isla na talaga.
33:38.1
May isla na talaga dyan.
33:38.7
Or ginugupit natin
33:41.0
But the second one,
33:41.8
which I think is very important
33:42.8
that you mention is,
33:44.0
and I agree with this part
33:46.9
bakuran talaga natin,
33:48.8
this is not an island,
33:50.1
it's just a low tide elevation
33:51.5
within our exclusive
33:53.4
China doesn't even have
33:54.5
any business being there.
33:56.5
the Philippine Civil Society,
33:57.7
you're reminding the world
33:58.8
that China doesn't even
34:03.1
It's just a low tide elevation.
34:05.2
So that's the key
34:05.9
of the Philippines.
34:06.9
It's like going to
34:09.0
It's part of the Philippines.
34:10.7
Going to your front yard,
34:18.5
Christmas lights,
34:21.9
some of them has belen,
34:23.9
and then Christmas gifts.
34:26.4
Pag yan hihinarang,
34:28.5
yung mga Chinese vessels,
34:31.3
kahit yan hihirangan,
34:32.4
anong itsura niyan
34:33.3
sa buong Pilipinas?
34:35.3
Anong itsura niyan
34:37.8
So you want to galvanize?
34:39.3
So you want to galvanize support?
34:42.5
small fishing vessels.
34:49.3
some with Santa Claus,
34:59.4
China doesn't see it
35:00.5
as non-threatening.
35:02.0
as a direct challenge.
35:02.9
Yes, but it doesn't matter,
35:05.9
Anong image ng China?
35:09.6
Bringing Christmas cheer.
35:12.1
in other parts of the world,
35:14.6
Pangit na yung image nila.
35:16.2
Kailangan pa natin
35:16.9
kung pangitan pa.
35:22.1
hindi pa nila alam
35:25.3
What is the entitlements
35:26.5
in the West Philippine Sea?
35:28.2
non-dice-nine-dice line?
35:30.6
BRP siya ramadre?
35:32.1
Tayo, alam natin yan.
35:33.2
But what percentage
35:35.2
understand this thing?
35:40.4
Sabi nga natin kanina.
35:42.8
It's a rallying point
35:43.7
you're looking at.
35:44.3
Yes, pwede naman magkaroon
35:45.3
ng educational program.
35:46.9
Pwede naman magkaroon
35:49.0
Pwede naman magpansya.
35:51.1
to catalyze that,
35:53.5
to be interested,
36:01.6
I see where you're coming from.
36:02.9
I mean, you can see
36:03.4
my reservations with this.
36:04.9
I'm kind of 50-50 really
36:06.2
honestly on this.
36:07.0
I see the both sides
36:07.9
of this argument.
36:09.1
Because lahat naman tayo
36:09.9
mahal natin ang West Philippine Sea.
36:11.5
This is a question of tactics,
36:13.5
What is the best means
36:14.6
to protect the Philippine West
36:16.4
Your argument is,
36:17.9
huwag tayong magpatakot
36:20.7
Huwag tayong magpa-intimidate
36:23.0
Wala silang basean
36:24.0
to even be there.
36:26.1
it's important that
36:27.0
the Filipino people
36:27.8
see Filipino people
36:30.3
Not just military,
36:31.2
not just Coast Guard and all.
36:32.3
And that could be a catalyst
36:34.4
mobilization of society
36:36.2
Okay, I see your argument.
36:37.5
I may not exactly agree with it
36:39.7
narrow down natin
36:40.6
bakit ito yung case.
36:43.2
I don't think hindi klaro masyado
36:44.4
yung two sides of the argument.
36:46.2
Kasi usually lang
36:49.6
So, thank you Ronald
36:50.2
for being the de facto spokesman
36:56.2
Which you're not.
36:57.0
Kaya nga sabi ko de facto,
36:58.4
And I didn't want to act
36:59.4
as de facto spokesman
37:00.5
for the government.
37:01.4
But we're just doing this
37:02.7
for the sake of argument.
37:03.9
Again, lahat natin,
37:04.9
lahat tayong mahal natin
37:05.7
ng what's real business.
37:06.3
But the bottom line,
37:08.2
ay ayaw ng koalisyon
37:10.2
na makaaway ang Coast Guard,
37:12.1
na makaaway ang NSC.
37:13.6
So, maghahanap sila
37:14.5
ng what's the best compromise.
37:18.3
What is the possible compromise?
37:19.8
Na hindi malalagay
37:21.4
yung civil society
37:22.7
but at the same time
37:24.9
na ito ay ating bakuran.
37:26.9
Ito ay ating front lawn.
37:30.0
Na dapat walang nagsasabi sa atin
37:32.3
kung sino ang pwede pumunta.
37:33.8
Yun nga ang kalagay
37:34.7
ng ating fishermen eh.
37:35.9
Sa harassment eh.
37:38.7
ay kasama natin sila.
37:40.4
Kasama natin sila.
37:41.8
So, may sasamang trade unions,
37:44.4
may sasamang students.
37:46.0
So, hindi lang sila
37:46.7
purely manging isda.
37:48.2
May sasamang church.
37:51.5
hindi pa ito ginawa eh.
37:53.2
Hindi pa ito ginawa.
37:54.5
At iba yung mangyayari
37:55.9
kung pupunta ka lang sa pag-asa.
37:58.7
Ibang iba yung impact.
38:05.2
puwera muna yung pag-asa.
38:06.7
Yun ang pinakamahalaga sa atin.
38:12.6
Thank you so much,
38:15.0
de facto spokesman.
38:17.2
We need this discussion
38:18.4
kasi that's why we're here.
38:20.4
hindi naman tayo mga ano lang dito.
38:22.6
like singing each other's song.
38:24.0
No, we're here talaga
38:24.8
to examine issues
38:30.9
kaya maganda yung R&R
38:37.5
dalawang makulit.
38:40.6
Dalawang devil's advocate.
38:42.5
kung sino yung mas devilish.
38:46.3
ako yung advocate.
38:48.3
Thank you so much,
38:49.3
Secretary Leangas.
38:50.6
on the next episode,
38:51.6
balikan muna natin ulit
38:53.5
the whole Dalima,
38:55.1
Harry Roque issue.
38:56.9
But there's another thing
38:57.6
we also have to discuss.
38:58.7
President Marcos Jr.
38:59.6
recently was in Hawaii
39:01.1
and there's a lot
39:02.0
to discuss about that.
39:03.2
thank you very much
39:03.8
Secretary Leangas
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