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Ayan na, ayan na mga kameta, kamusakay dyan, this is it, this is it, talagang yung laban sa politika,

laban or bawi, talagang nag-all-out mode na yung isang kampo yata eh.

Eto na, eto na mga kameta, may mga developments na tayo sa International Criminal Court,

or not necessarily with the ICC itself, but at least efforts to make sure na papasok ng ICC

at magkakaroon ng masinsina na pagsusuri dun sa human rights record ng nakarana administration

and particularly it looks like hindi lang si dating President Digong,

hindi lang si Senator West Philippine C. Bato, Dalarosa, mukhang ba't yung vice-presidente ay medyo dinadamay na dito sa mga ICC investigation na yan.

Of course, not to mention, simultaneously there are also efforts by other people including folks in Malaysia

to push for also ICC investigation, not against Tatay, but someone who was close to Tatay

and someone that Tatay tried to give advice to in light of recent conflict in the Middle East.

Of course, eto yung Prime Minister.

Ang Israel si Benjamin Netanyahu.

So, nagpupush siyang mga and number of lawyers from Southeast Asia for ICC cases naman

laban sa isa pang leader na kaibigan din ni Digong noong time na presidente siya at bumisita siya sa gitnang Silangan.

So, maraming nangyayari mga kameta, but what's interesting here is,

katulad nung pinost natin video kahapon, katulad dun sa mga post natin right and left mga kamets,

eto na mga kamets, eto eto, katulad nung mga pinost natin,

over the past few days, eto na, mukhang may openness or may push at the very least.

Well, there's a push and then there's an openness to a resolution being passed sa Philippine Congress

para talagang seryosoin na itong ICC investigation efforts.

Katulad ng sinasabi naman natin parate, kung wala naman kailangan itago,

kung wala naman ginawang masamang nakaroon na administration,

huwag silang magalala kasi itong mga ICC investigator na yan ay hindi mga bara-barang investigator.

Ito yung hindi mga, kunyari lang, gagawa magpa-plant ng evidence,

nasabihin nilang nanalaban kung may nang, hindi, mga legit international lawyers and investigators mga yan.

Kung talagang walang nagawang mali ang mga nakarana administration, dapat wala silang ikakatakot.

And after all, di ba, UNITEAM naman ang nanalo yung 2022 elections,

hindi naman yung tipong parang mga dilawan na nanalo or mga pinklawan na nanalo,

hindi naman mga nareretag ang nanalo.

So, ang nanalo naman ay isang Marcos,

So, ano naman ay i-worry nila just in case magkakaroon ng fair, thorough, comprehensive investigation

dun sa mga allegations ng mass atrocities sa ilalim ng nakaraan na administration.

Now, obviously, obviously, things are interesting and things are complicated

because may mga multiple layers, no?

May multiple layers dito.

May interplay ng multiple factors and games dito na pag-usapan natin very shortly.

Now,

things are getting so heated,

medyo mainit-init ng laban,

to a degree to which na bati si President Rodrigo Duterte,

former President Rodrigo Duterte,

who said last year na magre-retire na siya, matanda na siya.

Ilang beses niya sinabi nung Presidente siya,

nalala niya,

sinasabi na matanda na ako,

pagod na ako,

di ba, nagdi-drama siya na ganun parati.

Ayan, ayan.

Ngayon,

nagtatreaten na siya na magre-run na siya for Senate.

Nako, ito na naman.

Kung maalala nila,

last year, ilang beses yung ginawa nila ng mga kalokohan na ginawa nila noong 2016,

no, binabastos talaga yung mga institution natin, di ba?

Yung tatakbo, tas hindi tatakbo.

Yung last year naman, tatakbo sa Vice President,

tapos hindi na tumakbo ng Vice President,

tas tatakbo ng Senate,

tas hindi tumakbo ng Senate.

May mga ganyan, mga...

Alam mo naman,

may mga pang barangay politics level

na yun, na mga kababalagan na ginawa nila last year.

Now, let's see if si seryoso nila yun.

But you can see that

the threat of running,

the threat of coming out of...

suppose it, retirement,

it's a reflection of something going on

on the ground, no, mga kamets.

So, pag-usapan natin yan.

So, unang-una,

let's go to a number of news.

Now, si Vice President Sara Duterte ay nag-issue ng statement

ukol dito sa ICC investigation

and potentially even herself being ensnared

in a potential investigation.

But before that, pag-usapan naman natin

yung paborito natin, senador, di ba?

Si Senator Bartol de la Rosa!

Talagang the best yan ng senator na yan eh.

Asa na nawala na naman...

Nawala na yung pictures,

i-labas natin yung...

Sir, nasaan ka na, sir?

Bakit di lumalabas?

Ayan, okay, okay.

Ito mga kameta.

Takawin.

Ito mga kameta.

Ito mga kameta.

Ako, saka kaano natin? Tuloy.

Nasaan ka na?

Nasaan yung picture ni Bato?

Yung article about Bato?

Kailangan natin labas dito kasi kailangan natin pag-usapan.

So, confident si bossing Bato na makakalusot siya dito.

Sabi niya, he's very confident daw na malulusotan niya itong potential ICC probe.

Pag-usapan natin yan.

So, kapag nandyan yan, wala tayong magagawa kundi harapin yan.

Talagang ano yan, parang telenovela yan na face the music.

Kumbaga, face the music.

So, Senator Ronald Bato de la Rosa, sinabi niya today, November 23rd, Thursday,

nag-expression ang confidence na wala yan, kaya natin yan.

So, sa isang interview with Teleradio Servicio,

sabi ni Senator na nag-wondered aloud siya kung kailangan niya mag-cooperate doon sa ICC probe

when the government President Marco Jr. was even reluctant about it earlier this year.

Siyempre, umalala niya, in June, sabi ni President Marco Jr. na wala tayong magkakaroon ng cooperation dyan

because of our sovereignty.

But obviously, iba na yung inip ng hangin.

The tone has changed from the government.

We discussed that very shortly.

So, sabi ni Bato, bakit ako mag-cooperate?

Bakit ako magbigay ng deposition?

Bakit ako magbigay ng counter-affidavit kung ating gobyerno nga ayaw makipag-cooperate sa kanila?

Well, that's now debatable.

That's now very debatable.

So, in English, why would I cooperate?

Why would I give my deposition?

Why would I give counter-affidavit if our government itself doesn't want to cooperate with them?

Of course, this is a little bit four months late.

Kapag nandyan yan, but still, very confidential.

Kung nandyan yan, wala tayong magkakaroon kundi harapin.

I am very confident naman.

Na malusutan ko yan kung kasama ako.

Alright.

So, sabi niya, if the probe is there,

if the probe pushes through, I have no choice but to face it.

I will face it.

I am very confident I will get through it.

If ever I were part of it.

Ayosin nyo naman yung translation sa English.

Ayos ko po yung translation tuloy.

Ayan tayo.

So, of course, si Sen. Bato de la Rosa, bago siya naging senador,

bago siya nagsawa-sawa dun sa laro ng Philippines, Gilas, gano'n,

siya po yung PNP chief.

And, of course, as PNP chief, siya yung nag-oversee ng drug war, yung tokang.

And, of course, the accusations is that thousands, if not tens of thousands of ordinary Filipinas,

mostly poor Filipinas, including hundreds of children, may have been victims of extrajudicial killing.

So, si Bato yung una nag-express ng concern.

Si Vice President Sara Duterte also, nag-respond na kanyang opisina dito.

Mayroon siyang very strong statement.

This is the statement by Sara Duterte, Office of Vice President Sara Duterte,

ukol dito sa issue na yan, issue ng ICC.

Basahin po natin ito.

Nasaan na yung eyeglasses ko?

Tumanda na tayo.

Nasaan na?

Bakit chase na?

Okay.

In light of the sudden unannounced joint meetings being convened in the House of Representatives

regarding the International Criminal Court jurisdiction over our country,

I respectfully remind our honorable lawmakers,

of the very words that our President, His Excellency,

Ferdinand Marcos Jr. reiterated less than half a year ago.

Any probe conducted by ICC would be an intrusion into our internal matters

and a threat to our sovereignty.

We are done talking with the ICC like what we have been saying from the beginning.

We will not cooperate with them in any way, shape, or form.

Of course, I think statement BBM, but this is major few months ago

and a lot has happened since then, pag-usapan natin shortly.

Given this clear standpoint, now, of course,

this is what.

So yung kanina, kinote si Marcos Jr.

Ngayon naman, this is a quote from the office of the Vice President.

Given this clear standpoint,

Sino ba nagsusulat ng mga PR nila?

Medyo ganda yun naman.

Given this clear standpoint,

anong klaseng pagsusulat yan?

Okay, mamaya na tayo mag-editorial advice dyan.

We urge the House to respect the position of the President,

who is the Chief Architect,

or Foreign Policy.

The President has likewise affirmed that his opinion is based on the fact

that the ICC ceased to offer jurisdiction over the Philippines

upon the effectivity of our withdrawal from the Rome Statute on March 7, 2019.

To allow ICC prosecutors to investigate alleged crimes

that are now under the exclusive jurisdiction of our prosecutors and our courts

is not only patently unconstitutional,

so unconstitutional daw yan,

but effectively belittles and degrades our legal institutions.

So okay.

Huwag natin insultuin at bigyan ng,

kahiyan ang ating mga hukuman

sa pamamagitan ng pagpapakita sa mundo

na tayo ay naniwala

na mga dayuan lang ang tanging may abilidad na

magbigay ng katarungat at justisya sa ating sariling bayan.

Syokran.

Okay, interesting.

Bakit Arabic ang ginamit sa dula?

Anyway,

interesting.

Okay.

Now, of course, as you know, mga kameta,

there are a number of

counter-arguments to that

point.

First of all,

huwag natin kalimutan yung

pagsali natin sa Rome Statute

that had to go through the Senate

because the Senate had to ratify it as a matter of treaty.

So this was a treaty, the Rome Statute.

That is why pinasok

ang Supreme Court, there was a petition to the Supreme Court

to affirm the fact that

when it comes to the issue of the

International Criminal Court, this is not just solely

the prerogative or jurisdiction

of the executive.

This is something that the legislature,

especially the Senate,

has a say or two.

So yung sasabihin na architecture of foreign policy,

let's not forget that

pagdating sa treaties,

like the Rome Statute,

this has to go to the legislature.

This is number one.

Number two,

sinabi rin ng ICC in the past,

and nagsasabihin sa iyo ng mga lahat ng mga

matinong international law experts,

na even if umalis ka

dun sa ICC few years ago,

still,

A, yung mga years na kasama ka sa Rome Statute

ay pwede pa rin pasok sa kanilang jurisdiction,

and B,

sometimes, even if you're not member of ICC,

you can still face cases

by the ICC if it is determined

based on evidence and proper investigation

na there was indeed

any kind of mass atrocities

or violation of internationally mandated law.

So, pinag-usapan natin yan, yung issue ng jurisdiction.

Kaya nga, ICC did not

buy yung counter-arguments of the

administration, at least earlier this year.

Pangatlo, mga laga din ito, mga kameta,

let's keep this in mind. This is very, very

important.

At yung issue ng insulto

daw sa ating mga ho-human, let's not forget,

yes, there's the principle

of complementarity. Ibig sabihin,

hindi pwede pumasok ang ICC or mga

international courts

sa isang usapin when it comes to

human rights, violations, etc.

Unless it is established

that the local courts or local judicial

institutions are not doing their job.

Well, if the accusation is there have been thousands,

if not tens of thousands of EJKs,

and so far you have how many? One, two, three?

Mabibilang mo sa kamay mo yung mga

conviction cases. And there's a huge

question there.

Are the judicial institutions in the country

doing their job or are they up to the task?

So under the principle of complementarity,

pwede pumasok ang international

community or international criminal court in this case

if it looks like

after how many years na itong

accusation of EJK, there

is a huge disproportion

between the number of convictions

or consummated

investigations on one hand at saka yung

scale ng accusation.

Of human rights violations or mass

atrocities. And lastly,

well, you know, the thing is

again, kung wala naman may tago,

kung wala naman nangyari mali, then anong dapat

maging concern dito? But

there's another added element that we have

to talk about and that's very interesting because

now, this argument

that the administration is against

ICC coming in is suddenly like

hmm, because

interestingly,

Diyaran!

Diyaran!

Yan!

Speaker of the House mismo natin,

diba? Yung Speaker of the House

mismo natin ay

sinasabi na

parang ano eh,

parang

parang alin na, diba?

Meron ano eh, meron

meron

clamor.

Sorry, I'm just trying to

put yung picture ni Batu dyan.

May clamor na. So, basahin natin ito, ha.

So, there is a movement

in the House of Representatives,

to urge the government

to allow

the ICC to come in.

So, Speaker Martin Ramirez on Thursday

refuted, quote, speculations that the

House of Representatives is prioritizing

the resolution, urging the Marcos administration

to cooperate with the ICC, just to be clear,

investigating alleged EJ

case under the former president.

But, let's talk about this,

but, at least here,

this is an issue

of, there's a demand. There are

a number, number, number, number,

of legislators

who are pushing for this, because of the very arguments

that we mentioned a while ago, all the five points, four points

that I mentioned a while ago.

So,

ayon kay Martin Ramirez, this is what we call,

this is the sense of the House of Representatives.

There were succession of resolutions that

are being filed. As a matter of course, we have to

read out these bills and resolutions, and we have

to act on the same, and we have to be sensitive

to be responsive sa mga

hinain

ng ating mga kongresista,

to the concerns of our members,

so, I think Sinabini House Speaker

Martin Romaldes dun sa press conference

kanina sa 31st Asia-Pacific

Parliamentary Forum, APPF.

We have to look at it one

at a time, and within

the context of the current events, and that's

where we leave it. We don't read much more

into it than what other people

do, but nevertheless, they're still entitled to

their own views and even their speculation, but

we leave it at that.

So, the House top leader explained that whatever

the Chamber's decision dun sa solution na ayan,

it would be reflective of the sentiments of the

members. In short, do not prevent

the sentiments of the Congress to be reflected.

Right? So, eto ha.

So, basahin lang natin yun.

I have something to say also about it

because there was another important thing na Sinabini Martin

Romaldes kanina, together with

presidents of

the Senate,

Mig Zubira. Of course, both of them are very close allies

of the President.

So, right now, mga kometa, may mga resolutions

dyan sa

House Committee. So, I'm just

trying to bring this out.

Okay. So, recently,

House Committee on Human Rights, Chairperson

Benny Abante Jr.

of Manila filed House Resolution

1477. Sorry, for some

reason, bakit nag-

naglaload itong mga walang iyang advertisement

na yan.

Okay mga gulo, nagbabasa ako dito.

House Committee on

eto ha.

So, eto, yung Resolution 1477

arguing that while

the Philippine Guard withdrew from being a part of the

ICC in March 2019, the ICC and the

Supreme Court in the Philippines have maintained

that ICC has jurisdiction

with respect dun sa alleged crimes

against humanity perpetuated under the

former Digong Administration.

Right? Romaldes,

interestingly, dun sa press conference kanina,

refuted yung sinasabi ni

Harry na speaker had

quote, given his blessing dun sa filing of

House Resolution na ICC. Sabi ng

Romaldes, our good friend, former

spokesman, Harry Roque,

must have thoughts, these ideas.

We respect his thoughts and his ideas but

they're not accurate. So I'll just put it that

there's nothing to it. All

speculations but none of that is true. In short,

wag kang magmaretest.

Wag kang magmaretest. Wag kang

magmaretest. Now, interestingly mga kameta,

kaya dun sinabi ko, was it factor

number 5 or factor number

6?

Eto ha,

even yung Department of Justice

natin ngayon is saying,

o pakita natin dito mga

kameta. Even Department of Justice

natin ngayon is saying, hmm,

why not? Sige,

kung talagang,

eto talagang,

talagang mga kamets, talagang

talagang politika natin,

ang ating bayan, minamahal natin

bayan. Okay, ilabas natin ito.

So ito, so Department of Justice also

said, eto ha,

check natin yan. So

there is a push in the House of Representatives,

right?

There is a push in the House of Representatives

to

to review yung

initial decision

or statement, rather, by President

Marquez. In short, nothing is final.

Things could still change. So eto ha.

So, Department of Justice,

security, Jesus

Crispin Ramulia, last month to ha,

three weeks ago said,

there's a need to look into the records of House of Representatives

and renewed calls from lawmakers to allow

the ICC to probe the Duterte administration.

So eto yung sinabi niya na, hindi lang

second-hand or third-hand sources, kinakailangan

humingi kami ng transmittal sa

Kongreso tungkol sa mga usapin dito

sa mga detalyeng nangyayari at sa

mga ipa-file na resolusyon kung

anong nangyayari sa komite bago

eto lumabas. So

eto kasi mahalaga, pagkat ako ay

mamapatas dati, alam ko naman na may

mga

basihan neto, may

pinangailangan neto,

at may pinag-uugutan.

Kailangan makita namin ang

mga naging usapin dito.

So you know, the current

DOJ Secretary of State,

you know,

our ears are open. I mean, we are open

to ideas and suggestions. So in short,

hindi tapos, hindi final

yung position ng government. In fact,

this was said by the

DOJ

weeks earlier. And now it looks like

there's more and more push dun sa

Kongreso

to discuss the issue of ICC. Now I wanna

add also something interesting because kanina,

dun sa conference,

nag-press conference si Romualdo

at saka si Mig Subiri,

interesting din dun sa kanilang

konferensya, pinag-usapan din nila

yung kaalagaan ng Pilipinas

in terms of leveraging

international legal instruments

like the United Nations Convention Law of the Sea.

So kung ang position natin dito

is dapat, you know, we stand

on the side of rule of law

that we have to make sure we leverage

international legal instrument, then

to obstinately oppose

the ICC investigation, I don't think

the two are necessarily

reconcilable, no matter what kind of

diplomatic mumbo-jumbo or

discursive games you wanna play.

So ito yung sinasabi natin mga kameta,

there seems to be an opening

suddenly right now in the administration to

at least revisiting the idea of ICC

probe, there's more push towards that,

and all of this of course in one way or another

cannot be separated,

mga kameta, cannot be separated

from the broader

implosion in the unity mga nakikita natin.

Not at the level of BBM and Sara

because BBM still says nice things about

Sara, na they're still friends,

and he tries to still project this above the

fray kind of image, but alam natin

na things are already moving on the

ground, in the legislature,

on multiple fronts. Kaya nga

si Digong, nag-threaten na siya

na potentially pwede siyang tumakbo

as a Senate, and in fact recently

I think yung mga supporters ni

Tatay Digong, yun mga ka-DDS,

dyan! Kamusta kayo dyan? They were

parang iba yata nagsaspread ng itong

survey daw na pinapakita ng

number one si Digong para sa Senate.

Oye, nako, parang

kalabanin niyan yan, kalaban ni

Erwin niyan,

si Sir Tulfo yan. Let's see, let's see.

So, Digong right now is openly

saying na, oye, umayas ayos kayo

dyan because, you know, this is not only about

ICC probe. This could potentially go towards

even impeachment of the current Vice

President. So sensing the danger

to his daughter, being a protective father that

he is, and also sensing the broader

shifts dun sa political landscape,

eto si Digong ay nagsasabi na

pwede na ako sumali, no?

Sa usapan, I'll throw my hat

into the ring, or whatever is left of his hat

in the ring. So, eto ah.

So, sabi niya,

eto, eto.

Eto yung sinabi ni Digong,

alright, dun sa

SMNI, yung pinaka number

one media sa Pilipinas

daw. Okay, sabi niya,

eto ah, referring dun sa potential

moves or attempts to impeach

si Sarah Duterte, sabi niya, if you do

that, I'll return to politics.

I will be forced to.

Bakit? Nasa politika naman siya eh.

It is

either I will run for Senator or I will

run for Vice President even if

I'm old. Nako po, tatapong

Vice President. Matagal pa po yan,

sir, Vice President. 2028 elections

pa yan. Anong pecha na?

Medyo matagal na yan, no?

So, ano, sabi ni Duterte, look,

you don't have a headache as of now,

you'll be forced to come out of retirement. So, medyo

nagt-threaten na siya open right now

and he's already looking at the

prospects, no? Sabi niya, we don't want

her to be impeached. Referring to Sarah Duterte,

she does not deserve to be impeached,

sabi niya. So, clearly, there's

a recognition of this threat coming out. So, don't worry,

mga ka-meda, lahat yan pag-usapan natin dun sa

mga upcoming RRL, RRM,

RRC

with Christian, with Marco,

with Leloy,

with Ronaldo, like hopefully

pag-usapan natin yan. So, what I try to do today,

was just to give you an overview of the evolving

landscape here and how

important these

developments are in terms of determining not

only the course of justice in the Philippines,

but also potentially the

course of

political

dynamics dito sa Philippines at saka

yung mga alignments and realignments sa mga others.

Let me just end on this note because

speaking of ICC,

there are also accusations that ICC,

not naman double standard,

but that ICC is not moving

with the same speed

on important issues.

So, as you know, last year,

ang ICC po ay nag-release

ng warrant of arrest for Putin

barely a year

into the conflict in Ukraine.

So, si Karim Khan, yung

head ng ICC, very quickly nag-release

siya ng

ng warrants of arrest for Putin and

also Maria Lvova-Belova.

So, some of the top leaders dyan

sa Russia. And that raised

some eyebrows. Not because, you know,

there was no basis for that per se, but because

of the speed.

And some are saying that, you know,

if you look at the situation right now,

whether it's the,

I mean, if you look at the situation dun sa ibang parte

ng mundo, whether if

it's about tens of thousands

of alleged

EJKs to the Philippines, or

or as

some put it, if it's

about what's happening in Gaza

right now. So, there was actually a group of

Malaysian lawyers

who pushed for ICC

case against the current leader of Israel

because of what's happening in Gaza. So, let's

see what's gonna happen on that front because

whether what's happening in the Middle East or what's happening in the

Philippines, ICC for

many, including kinausap natin si

Atty. Carranza, they're moving

too slow. Pero dun sa Europe,

biglang ang bilis nila gumalaw.

Even though I do

believe that there is indeed a basis for

the investigation in this situation in Ukraine

because of the horrible things that Russia's

done since invading that country. But

yun nga eh, parang medyo

hindi

patas eh. Di ba? If you're talking about

tens of thousands of EJKs in the Philippines,

if you're talking about more than hundred

children being killed, right,

in Gaza among others,

so the question is, nasa

ng ICC? But of course, first, sasabihin

ng iba, sasabihin ng ICC, we're talking about

completely different circumstances here, but

critics would say, what completely different

circumstances? We're still talking about innocent

lives, so on and so forth. So, this is gonna be a debate

and let's see how this is gonna go on and let's see also

how ICC is gonna respond

to some of these criticisms and how ICC

is gonna discuss these

issues. In the meantime, let's also see paano

mag-evolve itong

implosion of the UNITY

or whether there'll be attempts to patch

things up before the end of the year or

by early next year. On that note,

thank you very much mga kameta, maraming salamat

na dumadami na yung mga trolls

natin dito.

But again, see,

I'm trying to be fair, I'm looking at the broader

landscape, I'm looking at even criticisms

of ICC, for instance.

And at the same time, of course,

we're also looking at the evolving position of the

government, right? Is it all

about principles or is it about expediency?

Right? And then, of

course, interesting, let's see what's gonna be the next

move by Digong because more and more members

of the PDP

Laban are leaving Digong's

party. So, let's see what will be left of

his party should he choose to run

for office next year. Ako naman,

I never underestimate Duterte. So, I think

the Vismin vote, I think the Visayas-Mindana

vote and all is solid and strong.

So, I think a slot

in the Senate is not gonna be too hard

for Digong even if, kasi higal lang siya,

wala siyang gagawin, may lek yan siguro sa

Senate. But, whether he'll top it and all,

I don't know. I don't know. I think

I don't think Duterte is as strong

and powerful as before, but I still believe he's

popular enough to be a threat

if he wants to really rock the boat. So, let's

see how things are gonna move on that front. On that note,

thank you very much mga kameta, maraming salamat

sa lahat ng mga sumusuporta at

nagmamahal sa atin. So, tomorrow,

please watch out.

A little bit earlier in the day,

in the late afternoon, we're hoping

to interview si Sen. Laila de Lima also

to get her views on things.

I'll also try to interview yung

chief, one of the

top lawyers of also Walden Belio

and also have some updates on their

case and hopefully we're also looking forward

to launching dun sa isa pang new

podcast natin. So, we're hoping to

launch a number of other

podcasts kung may, nako,

kailangan ko na talagang production team.

Sa West Philippines din naman.

So, please

stay in tune. Stay tuned

for a number of

interesting discussion that we're hoping to have

tomorrow. Maraming salamat. Thank you

very much. God bless and talk to you soon.