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dito sa mga patayin
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under President Ocerto.
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Paliwarin niyo nga ulit yung rule,
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yung applicable Rome Statute
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during the time when the State
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Party was still a member of the Rome Statute.
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naging party tayo sa Rome Statute,
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parang kasal din yan eh. Kahit na
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naghiwalayan na, naging
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kasal pa rin. So mayroon time talaga
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na naging party tayo. Kailan yan?
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November 1, 2011, hanggang
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2019. So I mean to say,
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nung period na yun,
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eh, in effect yung Rome Statute
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sa Pilipinas. Kaya kung ano mang mga
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international crimes na nangyari nung period na yun,
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eh, within the jurisdiction of
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the Rome Statute. So yun lang actually
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yung ine-exercise ng ICC.
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Yung period na yun.
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Anything earlier than that is outside
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of the jurisdiction. Anything
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later than that is outside of the jurisdiction
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dapat ba bumalik na tayo?
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I think yes. There's
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good reasons for us to
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enter. First, it's really
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giving the signal
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that we're adhering
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international legal order.
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Kasi kung yun yung argument natin
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with respect to the West Philippine Sea,
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eh, para mas maging consistent pa
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at talagang para mas maging
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malalim pa at talagang
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talagang very strong
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ang ating position. So
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malaking impact yun sa international
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community if we go back to the ICC
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Rome Statute. Secondly,
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ni BBM na pagbabago
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and in fact, hindi siya
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naging dictator. So
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malaking sinialis din to sa history,
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diba, na iba ako. So
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ibahin mo ako. So I want to
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really respect and protect
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human rights. Yun yung sinasabi.
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Sabi sa EU, yun yung sinasabi ng
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Pilipinas sa US. So this
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is a strong signal that indeed we're
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adhering to our international law
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obligations, especially on human rights.
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Okay. Pero dito ba?
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Ano ba yung proseso yung inaasahan
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natin? Kasi may mga naging sabi rito,
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oi, baka malapit na yung
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arrest warrant against
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former President Duterte.
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Pero ano ba yung nakikita yung
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business or battle
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ng proseso? Dahil sa
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UK, yung reklamo,
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makasemphasize na.
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Oo. Alam mo, magandang
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question and question. Kasi whether
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the Philippines cooperates or not
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with the Office of the Prosecutor,
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the process of investigation still
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in fact, in the investigation,
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yung talagang focus ng
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Office of the Prosecutor is
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sino ba yung mananagot? Sino yung
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dapat panagutin? Sino ba
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yung mga defendants dapat?
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So i-identify yan. At ano
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bang evidence that will show na sila
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nga mga dapat panagutin?
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ma-ano na yun, ma-identify
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na nila yun, yung next step dyan
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apply for an arrest warrant before
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the pretrial chamber.
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So, doon na natin malalaman yun actually
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kung sino yung, kung
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anong naging result ng investigation.
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it will be good for the Philippines to
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actually rejoin the ICC
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even before that investigation has
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Mas mapapagalis ba?
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O baka naman mas magmumikala magandaimahin
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ng Pilipinas? I mean, what good will it do?
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magiging magandang signal yun
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sa international community. Kasi ibig sabihin,
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tinunahan na natin yung
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ng investigation.
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So, meaning to say, we really have
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showing na we want
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that international justice mechanism
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in the Philippines. So,
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regardless of what will be the
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outcome of that investigation.
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So, sa inyo ba, mas
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na ba? Ito lang experience ko lang bilang
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executive director
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ng Center for International Law.
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So, wala ba lang pumatak-pulitin ko parang
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mas naging, ano ba, nagkaroon ng
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renewed interest dito sa
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international community?
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Ano sa mga nakakasalan niya?
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And is that a good thing?
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For us Pilipinas? Kasi ngayon, binabago ko
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ng comments, sinasabi ng mga
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loyalista, e, dapat ko
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sumulit kayo sa ano, din lang sa
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batas natin dito. Di ba yung narrative
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ng iba? Parang, kagalari
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natin yung batas dito, eh. May tayong
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mag-subject sa mga, di ba yung
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puti, di ba yung gano'n?
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Actually, what's interesting,
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what's interesting, Christian,
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is, in fact, mayroon tayong
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batas. It's called RA-9851.
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noong December of 2009. Ano ba yung,
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RA-9851? This is the IHL Act.
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At sabi po sa IHL Act,
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in fact, in the interest of justice,
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pwedeng ang Pilipinas
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ay huwag na mag-imbestiga ng international
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crime dito sa Philippines. If there's
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an international tribunal
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that's actually investigating
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those international crimes that occurred
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here in the Philippines. In fact, pwede
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po yung dahilan, Christian,
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for the Philippines to say, ah, in-investiga
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naman pala ng ICC. Hindi na natin
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in-investigaan yan sa Pilipinas. In fact,
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kung mayroon pong arrestwagan sa isang
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Pilipino, e susurrender na natin
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At that's based on
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Philippine Domestic Law, RA-9851.
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Interesting, ah. Paki-expound nga yan.
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Medyo hindi ako familiar dyan.
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So pwedeng gawin yan? So, e ba,
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paning quantum of evidence, pareho ba yan?
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Pwedeng gawin, Christian,
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oo. In fact, it will interest you
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na noong last October, I think,
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October 25 or 24,
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in fact, I filed,
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I filed a complaint for
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Chin natives of Myanmar.
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Oo, based on war crimes
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that happened in Myanmar.
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Based on universal jurisdiction.
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Bakit? Because we believe,
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I told our clients, na
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there's actually a working justice system in the
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Philippines. And there's this IHL
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in fact, kung pwede po siya
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sa mga foreigners,
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how much more kung ang
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naagrabyado pong mga biktima, yung mga Pilipino.
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Kaya po, linagay po,
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yan sa Section 17, in the
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interest of justice.
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I mean to say, in the interest of
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Pilipino victims. The Philippines
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can actually just surrender to
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the ICC or any international
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tribunal. Kung mayroon bang pong na-apusado
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na Pilipino dahil sa
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international crime.
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I pray the devil's advocate.
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And, e ba, it defeats the
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purpose of the ICC bilang
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court of last resort. E ba, dapat pagalahin
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muna yung justice system ng state
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parties bago pumasa sa ICC.
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O dito, pwedeng papasukin na
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even without exhausting
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all legal remedies
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or waiting for the local justice system to work.
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Kasi, ang context na lang ng ICC,
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tama, it's court of last resort.
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Kasi kung hindi ginagawa ng
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state party, kagaya ng Philippines
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at that time, kung hindi po inainvestiga
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ng Philippines, yung mga international
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crimes niya, doon po papasok yung
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ICC. Kaya ano bang nangyari?
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Nagkawin ba talaga ng investigation?
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On crimes against humanity
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with respect to the war on drugs? Wala.
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Kaya, yun pumasok po yung
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ICC. Second point.
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Kaya, ibig sabihin po,
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ang ICC, hindi niya po tinitingnan kung may
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hong kang working justice system. At tinitingnan
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niya lang, nag-investiga pa ba
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ng mga international crimes? Nag-investiga ba sa
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Pilipinas ng mga crimes against humanity?
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papasok siya. Kasi,
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ano ba talaga ang pinaka-value ng ICC?
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It's to stop impunity
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with respect to international crimes.
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the new administration
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decides to investigate
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yung mga patayang under the previous
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administration. Pwede bang,
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would that be enough to, for the
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ICC to take a pause?
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Pwede ka, ito, talaga ininvestigahan na namin.
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Hindi na siya yung presidente, wala na siya
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inunity. Or, it doesn't apply
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anymore dahil tapos na yung period na yun
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kung saan dapat ininvestigahan?
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Hindi dun sa deferral application
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ng Philippines. Ang argument talaga ng Philippines,
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during that time na nag-a-add siya ng deferral,
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nag-investiga siya. Pero, yun nga,
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napatunayan sa PTC, sa pre-trial
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chamber, na hindi siya nag-investiga
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during the time na nag-apply siya
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for deferral. At, in fact,
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in-uphold yun ng appeals chamber.
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So, mukhang for that
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period na dapat nag-defer,
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hindi siya nag-investiga. Purang,
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it's a missed chance. And,
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let's be frank, it happened during the pre-trial,
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previous administration.
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So, hindi po siya talagang
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dishonored. Hindi po siya lamat
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sa current BBM administration.
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Kung pumasok po tayo sa ICC.
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Kasi pinunturya po ng
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appeals chamber ng ICC. Ay yung
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period that happened during the previous
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Napakalinaw ng paliwanag ni Atty. Gilbert Andres.
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Well, maraming salamat
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Atty. Gilbert Andres for
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explaining these things to us.
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Maraming salamat po.
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Maraming salamat po siya.
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mali na yung audio niyo. Mas importante.
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Mali na yung sinasabi niyo.
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Maraming salamat po, Atty. Gilbert Andres.
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Maraming salamat po siya. Mabuhay po tayong lahat.
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Yan yan po si Atty. Gilbert Andres.
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Nakapanayang din natin
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dito po sa ating programa.
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Kasama-sama, ano? Asama pa rin ba na
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Atty. Gilbert Andres?
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Sayang kasi yung mga baki ko
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Kung hindi nyo ka nabibinig
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Sa Monday na lang po, pasensya na kayo
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Delighted Happy Birthday sa mga babatiin natin
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Maraming salamat po
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Ipakita po tayo sa
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