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00:00.0
Okay, RRL episode 4
00:04.9
Ronaldo, Lisandro, Ricardo
00:09.0
Wala pa tayong tatlong episode
00:11.0
Dami na natin mga bashers
00:12.9
So that's a good news
00:17.3
Si Christian is getting a message
00:21.1
Mga ganyan yung RRC
00:22.4
Ano ba yung Gen Z?
00:25.2
Ronaldo, Ricardo, Cristiano
00:27.8
Kayo nga Cristiano Ronaldo
00:29.8
Nag-comment ka dito sa amin
00:34.0
Karinderia session
00:35.8
Sa UP San Bernardino
00:38.2
Grabe, nag-production sila sa UP
00:40.4
Mga walang yan to
00:41.3
Sila sa akin sa UP
00:43.1
Naiyak ko na ako sa tao
00:44.7
Sabi nga ni Vince Pozon, isang head ng PR agency
00:47.6
Sabi nga okay naman yung concept
00:49.4
Pero wag kang magsalita
00:51.9
Habang kumakain, di maganda
00:53.4
Habang kumakain ako na
00:55.7
Ng mga instant pami
00:57.6
At saka ng fishbowl
01:00.5
Sabi naman Cristiano
01:08.7
Okay, speaking of
01:14.1
Nakauwi na si Pangpangulo Marcos Jr.
01:16.8
Ayon sa kanya, nakakapagod mag-travel
01:19.8
He lost his thing down
01:22.8
Traveling is hard
01:25.0
Ano Ronald, feeling bad ba tayo kay BBM?
01:29.7
Hindi naman, yung ako lang
01:31.7
Yung meeting lang niya kay Xi Jinping
01:33.4
Natawa lang ako ng kaunti
01:35.1
Doon lang siya napagod
01:36.7
Nagpandao sila, nag-agree sila to de-escalate
01:40.4
Ano naman i-de-escalate ng Pilipinas?
01:44.6
Inaimagine ko ano i-de-escalate ng Pilipinas
01:47.0
Sa West Philippine Sea
01:50.5
Doon sa de-escalation
01:52.6
Pero nung dumating naman siya
01:54.7
Talagang puro banget
01:59.7
Ang ginawa pala natin
02:01.2
Nag-escalate tayo
02:02.4
So na-imbold din siya nitong trip na to
02:10.1
Pumunta siya doon sa Pacifico man?
02:14.7
Hindi ganun karami ang iniimbitahan doon
02:17.1
Hindi ganun karami
02:18.2
First foreign leader yan
02:19.7
First foreign leader yan
02:22.2
Pagka tayo sa PCSS
02:24.4
Pero yung lobe na in all of that
02:27.7
First foreign leader
02:29.0
I wanna ask you Lelo
02:30.8
Because he was in San Francisco
02:32.6
Of course not in Berkeley
02:33.8
Then he went to Hawaii
02:35.3
Have you heard something from
02:36.2
I figured out how to clarify this for you Richard
02:39.4
Let me finish the question
02:41.6
The general area is called the Bay Area
02:45.1
The general area is called the Bay Area
02:46.8
Kung sinabi mong nakatira ako sa San Francisco
02:49.6
It's like telling somebody from Quezon City
02:51.7
Na sa Makati sila nakatira
02:54.1
Alam mo yung mga Pinoy
02:55.3
Pabaya mo na Lelo
02:56.5
Tika bagyo yan eh
02:58.8
Alam mo yung mga Pinoy
02:59.0
Alam mo yung mga Pinoy
03:00.3
Kakapasok lang sa isang syudad
03:02.5
Biglang fanatic na dun sa sports
03:07.8
Piningisipa ko lang ito pa
03:09.4
The general area is the Bay Area
03:12.7
The broad category is the Bay Area
03:15.5
Not San Francisco
03:16.5
Yun lang, yun lang
03:19.0
To put the record straight
03:21.0
To put the record straight
03:23.0
Wait, let me ask the question first
03:27.3
Huwag kayong magulot
03:29.0
Meron ko mga chismis
03:30.4
From Filipino-American community
03:34.0
Kasi pumunta siya sa Hawaii
03:40.3
Filipino-American community
03:43.2
Wala naman kasi dito
03:48.2
Lahat kasi nandito
03:50.0
So yung mga rally
03:51.0
I think yung mga nagra-rally
03:54.2
Mag-rally against APEC
03:55.9
As an institution
03:58.3
Kung gaano kausap
03:58.9
Puso ngayon sa Pilipinas
03:60.0
Yung idea of rallying
04:01.9
As an institution
04:02.9
Pero yung mga picket
04:04.7
Yung mga placard nila
04:08.0
US-led imperialist body
04:10.2
Ganon yung kind of
04:11.1
Left-wing discourse
04:12.0
Na nakita ko dito
04:15.0
If you think APEC
04:16.0
As an institution
04:17.3
I think important
04:18.1
Yung mga individual leaders
04:20.4
A poor excuse to chat
04:23.6
Pero naging ganun
04:25.8
Parang ASEAN lang toko
04:29.5
A poor excuse to chat
04:32.1
Yung mga sideline conversations
04:34.0
I got a couple of messages
04:36.0
From mga Pilipino
04:37.2
Ano bang babasahin ko
04:39.0
Kaya naman talagang
04:40.0
Babasahin about APEC
04:42.2
About yung mga individual
04:43.6
Mga individual leaders
04:45.0
Na pumupunta sa APEC
04:46.4
At saka yung mga side deal nila
04:47.8
Including nga yung chat ni
04:53.4
I think was important
04:54.5
Kaysa dun sa trip niya
04:57.5
Is the trip to Hawaii
04:59.1
That's the more important one
05:03.9
Tapos winelcome siya
05:05.2
Ng mga Ilocano dun
05:06.2
Yung Hawaii is of course
05:08.5
Yung Pilipino community dun
05:09.8
Is majority Ilocano
05:11.2
And historically Ilocano
05:14.3
Pinakinggan ko yung sinabi niya
05:16.3
Which is really weird
05:17.5
And he made it seem
05:18.8
As if sobrang pobre nila
05:20.2
Dun sa bahay nila
05:21.1
Dun sa Makiki Heights
05:22.3
Imelda in Makiki Heights
05:24.3
Kung hindi dahil sa mga Pinoy
05:27.1
Sila yung mamamatay sa gutom
05:28.7
Oo sa Makiki Heights
05:30.6
Which is actually
05:31.5
Here a fancy neighborhood
05:34.5
It's a posh neighborhood
05:35.6
Yeah it's a very posh neighborhood
05:37.6
I don't understand
05:38.8
Yung paawa effect nila
05:40.2
When they're in the most posh area
05:41.6
Pero maganda yung kanya
05:42.7
Yung tanong sa kanya
05:44.2
Napatawad mo na ba sila?
05:49.9
Di ko pinay personal
05:51.5
Ang mga bagay-bagay
05:54.8
Mga tayo na ayaw sa dictator?
05:56.9
Yung nagpapagsak daw sa kanila
05:58.5
Yung nagpapagsak daw sa kanila
06:01.6
Kung napatawad na niya
06:04.2
Wala akong dapat patawarin
06:06.3
Hindi ko pinay personal
06:11.5
Ang mga bagay-bagay
06:12.9
Pero kung ikaw Ronald
06:14.2
Nagpapay sa kanya
06:15.0
Kung ikaw nagpapay sa kanya
06:16.2
Yun din naman ipapay mong sabihin niya
06:18.3
Given the circumstances
06:21.1
Pag nire-rebrand mo yung pangalan mo
06:23.6
Di kailangan kong ka
06:34.6
Oo katulad nung statement na
06:36.2
Ayaw niyang ma-impeach
06:38.8
Si Vice President Sarah Duterte
06:47.6
May pero sa kanya
06:48.9
Open na daw siya to studying ICC option
06:52.4
He more or less said what Martin Romualdez was saying the other day
06:56.9
This is the sense of the Congress
06:58.7
I cannot stop them from expressing it
07:00.6
We have to protect the sanctity of Congress
07:02.5
That's exactly what Martin Romualdez was saying
07:05.3
I must again emphasize
07:10.0
Kumagana naman yung ating justice system
07:15.2
Napalaya si Laila de Lima
07:19.5
Ng justice system natin
07:21.0
May one day na gumagana
07:26.6
Yung sinabi niya yung
07:28.0
This is not unusual
07:29.7
And I'm not entirely sure
07:32.8
Medyo weird din siya magsalita
07:34.0
Sometimes hindi mo rin alam kung ano yung
07:37.8
What is the this that is not unusual?
07:40.1
And I suspect yung this yung nangyayari sa house
07:43.0
If you think about it
07:46.2
May sinasabing house na
07:48.2
Gusto nilang ipaimbisiga yung isang former president sa ICC
07:52.0
It's hella unusual
07:53.4
Very very unusual
07:55.8
Saying niya this is not unusual
07:57.6
Try to read between the lines
08:01.0
It is not unusual
08:02.0
Kung may ginagawa yung house na
08:04.1
Hindi opposed yung
08:07.1
That's probably what's not unusual about it
08:11.8
Ginagawa nila ito at okay lang sa akin
08:14.5
I don't know if I'm reading it
08:15.9
Pero I'm not entirely sure ano yung ibig sabihin ng
08:17.7
This is not unusual
08:18.8
Actually tapos na yung preliminary investigation
08:21.8
Ipapunta ka na sa
08:31.1
Dahil tapos na yung preliminary investigation
08:34.9
Is an international warrant
08:41.8
Papasok ba ang ICC o hindi
08:44.9
Crucial and fundamental
08:48.1
Yun na yung stage ng international warrant
08:50.4
Na malamang lalabas
08:55.8
Pinag-uusapan sa House
08:58.9
Yung resolution nila
09:00.1
Tulungan yung ICC
09:01.4
Kung sila ay makakapasok
09:05.7
Pinag-aaralan yung pagpasok
09:08.3
Yung statement ni
09:10.2
Ni Kwan, ni Bongbong
09:12.1
Medyo Mr. Congeniality
09:14.2
Sinusubukan niyang kunin yung both sides
09:16.6
Na kung gumagano naman yung ating justice system
09:20.3
Bakit kinakailangan pa yung ICC
09:22.2
Na missed niya yung point ng Rome statutes
09:25.1
Ang pinirmahan natin sa Rome statutes
09:27.4
Sa mga ganyan treaty
09:29.1
Meron kang sinak-sacrificio
09:31.1
Na bahagi na iyong sovereignty
09:32.7
Kasama yung pinirmahan mo eh
09:35.0
At kailangan may nag-advise
09:37.4
Kay Presidente Bongbong Marcos
09:39.2
Na yung Philippine Supreme Court
09:41.4
Last December 2021
09:43.7
Nagbigay na ng desisyon
09:46.6
Na may jurisdiction ng ICC
09:50.0
Dahil umalis tayo
09:56.0
So ibig sabihin yung jurisdiction ng ICC
09:58.9
Sa pinirmahan nating treaty
10:04.9
Ay pwede silang pumasok
10:09.9
Yung international warrant
10:14.5
Sinimulan yung kaso
10:16.3
Tayo ay miyembro pa
10:17.5
Sinasabi ni Presidente doon sa speech niya
10:20.9
Umalis na tayo eh
10:23.6
Dapat may nag-advise
10:25.3
Sa kanya mga lawyers na
10:27.9
Ganito kasi yan eh
10:31.0
There is a disagreement clearly
10:32.5
Because the term that was used by
10:35.8
We are seriously studying it
10:37.9
So that's leaning towards a certain direction
10:40.5
But Bernardo Guevara
10:41.7
The former DOJ Secretary of Tigong
10:43.5
And now the Solicitor General
10:45.3
Is still insisting
10:46.5
That the position that they made earlier this year
10:48.9
In July and August
10:49.8
That's still the position
10:51.4
They're questioning the jurisdiction of ICC
10:55.6
Clearly contradictory yung dalawa niya
10:60.0
Justice Secretary ni
11:03.1
Nung nangyari yan
11:05.5
Ginagwardahan din niya yung flanks niya
11:07.2
Na huwag naman siya masyadong ma-expose
11:08.9
Ito yung sinabi niya
11:10.0
Nung panahon ni Digong eh
11:12.1
Tapos ngayon babaguhin niya
11:13.4
Nang ganun na lang
11:14.9
Sineset din niya yung
11:17.9
Na hindi naman siya masyadong mapahamak
11:20.7
At the end of the day
11:22.2
Either sumunod siya
11:26.6
Or he should be fired
11:29.9
A resignation of Guevara
11:32.0
Could be a good indication
11:33.2
Of where we're going
11:34.3
Kasi siya yung isa sa
11:35.8
Holdover ni Digong era eh
11:39.8
Huwag mong kalimutan
11:41.2
Siya yung nag-file
11:42.9
Ng motion for reconsideration
11:45.0
Sa Court of Appeals
11:46.1
Para doon sa acquittal
11:49.5
Kaya he's out of step
11:50.8
He's totally out of step
11:52.6
He's totally out of step
11:53.7
Remulia is already
11:57.3
Sink sila ni Martin almost eh
12:04.5
Out of step talaga si Guevara
12:05.9
Kaya I don't know what on earth
12:08.4
He's just being irrelevant
12:10.0
I don't know what's going on there
12:14.1
Ask him to resign
12:15.3
Or is he gonna change tone
12:16.7
But I think it's too late
12:17.7
For him to change tone na eh
12:22.1
Yung libro mo sa likod
12:23.9
Binabasa mo ba talaga?
12:34.8
Sa utak ni Guevara
12:35.9
Magkaroon tayo na session
12:47.4
Trying to be dialectical
12:54.8
Nag-ne-change siya
12:58.0
Trying to be dialectical
12:59.3
Yung side niya na Digong
13:00.6
At yung side niya na BBM
13:09.1
Kung bumaliktad siya
13:10.1
Mag full-on Marcos siya
13:12.4
Martin Romualde side siya
13:14.4
Tapos sabihin niya
13:16.0
Will anybody care
13:17.2
In the administration?
13:23.5
You're not joining
13:25.1
Why not he'll join
13:27.5
Since Harry Roque
13:28.0
Pero parang lahat naman
13:30.5
Kung gusto niyo bumaliktad
13:31.4
Wants to keep his job
13:32.2
Pwede rin naman eh
13:32.9
Baka yun yung play
13:35.0
Baka ngayon yung play niya
13:36.1
Para hindi siya sumabit eh
13:37.2
Yan naman ang norm eh
13:38.3
Sa Philippine politics
13:44.6
Walang Rubicon yan
13:44.8
Babaliktad ka lang
13:49.6
You would have expected
13:50.7
In fairness to Harry Roque
13:52.0
Hindi na siya bumaliktad
13:56.6
Favorite governor
13:58.2
Congressman natin
14:08.6
Minambang na-endorse
14:09.5
Dyan nung election
14:15.0
So you would have expected
14:16.0
Harry to pull off
14:24.0
Kasing bumaliktad
14:29.3
Crossed the threshold
14:31.9
Hindi niya ma-Harry Roque
14:39.8
Either tanggalin siya
14:46.2
Ito naman ang norm eh
14:50.7
Yung exception dyan
14:53.6
What's your sense
14:54.5
On this ICC thing
14:55.6
Do you think that
14:56.6
Nagtitipto na si BBM
14:58.6
Towards accepting
15:01.0
If all of us agree
15:01.9
That BBM is not the guy
15:03.8
On top of the action
15:06.4
Bring down the hammer himself
15:07.7
But by the fact that
15:08.9
He's kinda leaning
15:10.1
And echoing the words
15:11.3
Of Martin Romualdez
15:14.8
Romulia and Romualdez
15:19.5
It's a moving train
15:21.3
In a certain direction
15:23.6
Nakita mo ba, Eloy?
15:33.8
Dahil hindi naman
15:35.2
Yung statement ni BBM
15:37.6
Coverage sa media
15:41.3
You used the words
15:43.3
In the same sentence
15:49.3
Pero yung napansin ko
15:50.4
Yung pinaka-common
15:55.6
Just the idea na pag-aaralan
15:60.0
That's already a massive shift
16:03.0
I agree with Leloy
16:05.5
You're not giving credit
16:12.7
Yung lahat ng newspapers
16:13.8
Binasa ko lahat eh
16:16.1
Yung dominant headline
16:19.8
Is a strong leaning
16:22.5
That's what I'm saying
16:24.6
May lang newspapers
16:27.0
Karamihan sa headline
16:28.8
In fairness kay BBM
16:30.9
Hindi naman niya sinabi yun eh
16:33.0
Nag-equivocate siya
16:35.1
Nag-equivocate siya
16:37.0
Mahirap nga iparse
16:41.3
Hindi naman statement eh
16:44.6
Parang may nagtanong sa kanya
16:45.8
Tapos sumagot siya
16:49.1
He's gonna be asked that question
16:54.5
Winnered Smith eh
16:56.4
But he's not really a good speaker
16:59.5
Spontaneous speaker
17:00.6
He's not a good spontaneous
17:02.0
He's a good speaker
17:03.4
In a scripted sense
17:04.8
But not in a spontaneous sense
17:09.1
Hindi ka pinag-isipan
17:11.5
Pero may element din
17:13.4
Or strategic ambiguity
17:15.3
Or strategic ambiguity
17:16.6
The fact that it's ambiguous
17:17.7
Maybe it serves its purpose
17:19.8
Ang labo nung sinabi niya
17:24.0
Strategic ambiguity
17:26.3
Kailangan meron kang framework eh
17:29.1
Kung may framework
17:30.3
Ito ka na naman Ronald
17:33.4
Ang inisip ko rin dito
17:35.8
Between Malacanang and the House
17:38.1
Hindi pa naman nawala
17:42.4
Simple-simple na naman eh
17:44.5
Ang presidency natin
17:46.3
Is a strong presidency
17:48.4
Nasabihin yung kanyang
17:51.8
Pwede nang sabihin sa remulya
17:54.3
Pero the very fact
17:55.4
Na hindi na sinabihan
17:58.0
Pwede mong isipin
17:59.5
Na may blessing niya
18:05.2
Under normal circumstances
18:06.8
Pag may ginawa yung house
18:09.1
Tapos hindi na galit
18:12.4
Sa house dati ni Sarah Duterte
18:14.1
Na hinagulat si Digong
18:15.6
Under normal circumstances
18:17.4
Pag may ginagawa yung house
18:18.6
Hindi na buburat yung presidente
18:21.8
May basbas ng presidente
18:24.9
Yun ang standard operating procedure
18:31.5
Yung hundreds of millions
18:34.0
Tsaka confidential fund
18:37.5
O senior deputy speaker
18:39.4
At deputy speaker
18:41.8
So yan ay hindi pwedeng mangyari
18:44.1
Nang walang bendisyon ng presidente
18:47.3
These are very fundamental
18:51.6
At least two versions of that
18:53.8
Really the tail is wagging the dog
18:56.6
But the other version is
19:00.8
Pero the blessing came first
19:04.8
And then someone else is doing
19:07.5
They're very different scenarios
19:10.2
I think it's the second
19:11.6
It's the second scenario
19:14.0
It's the second scenario
19:15.9
The man came first
19:17.0
And then kunyari above the fray
19:18.5
Siyempre pinag-usapan nila yan
19:21.6
Itong gagawin namin
19:24.1
Sabi ng cabinet secretaries
19:28.5
Ibig sabihin hindi pwedeng
19:30.4
Ang tawag niya kay GMA
19:32.0
May secret weapon
19:33.3
Tanggal as senior deputy speaker
19:35.8
Tanggal as deputy speaker
19:41.3
Yung vice president mo
19:43.2
Originally ikaw nagbigay ng 125 million
19:47.2
Nung December 2022
19:48.7
Tapos nung pagdating ng 2022
19:59.8
Pwedeng gumawa ng compromise
20:01.3
O nagtira ng konti
20:02.8
Tinanggal yung karamihan
20:04.8
Tinanggal din lahat
20:07.7
Mangyayari ba yan?
20:08.8
House at saka senate
20:09.8
Nang walang bindisyon
20:13.8
At saka kahit sabi mo
20:17.6
Nito presidente na to
20:18.6
Yung ganyang kalakas
20:21.4
Bas-bas ng presidente
20:22.8
Makapangyarihan pa rin
20:23.9
Yung presidente ngayon
20:24.9
First term pa rin
20:26.3
Ng majority president
20:27.4
So kung may mga umaandar
20:29.7
May backing pa rin
20:32.8
Ito yung problema
20:34.3
Problema kay Duterte
20:35.3
Parang napaka-decisive
20:38.1
Baka on the ground
20:39.0
Mahirap i-decipher
20:46.4
Nangyayari on the ground
20:49.8
Yan ang dialectical
20:53.7
Yan ang dialectical
21:06.4
Eh sa tinggo rin kasi
21:07.8
Ang tanong ko sa inyo
21:10.1
Gano ka praning ba
21:13.9
Dahil nga sa EDSA
21:14.8
Praning niya mga yan eh
21:19.0
Nang kapraningan niya
21:21.2
Takot siya sa blowback
21:26.7
Transition yan eh
21:30.2
Dahil malinaw naman
21:35.4
Duterte and Marcos Brand
21:38.0
Kung hindi nangyari yun
21:40.6
Baka nagbago yung
21:49.2
Sarah na hindi tumakbo
21:56.0
kay BBM in the next survey.
22:00.3
tsaka yung Mindanao, Ronald.
22:03.3
Tapos, nagsubstitute si Kwan,
22:07.3
kay BBM nung November,
22:15.2
number 3 lang siya.
22:16.9
Baka nung nandun si Sarah,
22:19.7
number 1 afterwards.
22:22.2
binigay sa kanya yung Mindanao.
22:24.8
Kaya medyo, Kwan,
22:26.1
medyo ingat din sila
22:27.7
hindi pa naman na
22:29.5
na-consolidate yung kanilang base.
22:31.2
It's practically just 1 year.
22:32.9
1 and a half years.
22:35.2
ay maraming problema yung bansa
22:36.8
na hindi pa na susolusyonan.
22:40.4
pwedeng maging trigger yan
22:45.4
bumaba siya ng 15%
22:47.0
sa Pulse Asia Survey
22:50.5
yun yung biggest na drop
22:52.4
for any president
22:55.7
that's why I'm saying,
22:56.8
he's seeming indecisiveness
22:58.8
has a logic to it, right?
23:01.1
it's actually the wise strategy
23:06.2
slow, steady sound.
23:07.8
Slow, steady sound.
23:09.2
Pero at the same time,
23:10.4
pero at the same time,
23:12.5
na itong kanyang mga
23:17.8
for his Jaguilar.
23:20.4
hindi ito mag-i-slow burn.
23:25.3
ma-shot ka na agad.
23:28.0
kaya nga mismo si Browner,
23:29.5
mismo yung chief of staff
23:35.4
pati si Maharlika,
23:37.0
pati si Banatbay,
23:38.4
pati mismo si Duterte.
23:40.6
ano naman masama,
23:42.0
mga retired military officers.
23:47.5
fire and too much smoke,
23:49.9
you won't miss the point.
23:53.6
At itong kanyang kaharap,
23:55.4
hindi yan mag-i-slow burn.
23:59.7
ay hindi ganun kalaki.
24:02.2
Paano kung pumasok yung Kwan,
24:05.6
they're operating
24:06.3
in just a few months.
24:08.1
So unahan yan eh.
24:15.3
But he cannot be circumspect
24:19.9
bahagi ng kanyang circumspection
24:22.0
ay meron ng mga utos.
24:24.5
Dahil itong mga major players niya,
24:26.6
katulad ni Martin,
24:27.8
katulad ni Remulia,
24:29.9
hindi yan kikikilos ng ganyan.
24:32.0
Pero just a few months back,
24:34.6
ang desisyon ng DOJ,
24:36.4
totally cut sa ICC,
24:38.8
hindi yan makakatuntong
24:39.8
dito sa Pilipinas.
24:42.0
Ang House may resolution
24:43.2
to protect the President.
24:45.2
That was just a few months back.
24:48.3
we're going to study.
24:49.7
Hindi mo naman kinakailangan
24:50.7
mag-read between the lines
24:53.1
yung major desisyon
24:56.9
behind the scenes.
25:03.1
these are second guesses,
25:05.4
these are educated guesses.
25:10.2
alam ko nag-homework ka.
25:12.0
Alam ko nag-homework ka na.
25:13.4
Ito yung homework
25:14.3
na ayaw kong gawin eh,
25:15.1
yung makinig ng trolls.
25:16.8
Anong reflection nito
25:18.1
sa bangayan online?
25:20.1
At sinong mas malakas
25:21.7
sa trolls ngayon?
25:23.7
naging Mark Gamboa ka na.
25:25.4
Si Mark ang dapat
25:27.2
Alam ni Ronald yan.
25:28.6
Alam ni Ronald yan,
25:30.8
Sila yung mami ko,
25:31.8
fans ni Maharlika
25:37.4
parang Maharlika glasses yan.
25:39.3
Yan ba yung Maharlika glasses?
25:46.6
dominant to incumbent
25:47.7
because they have
25:49.7
they have the clout,
25:54.4
Hindi ko alam kung ilang
25:55.3
congressman na yung natira,
25:56.9
ilang local officials,
25:58.7
Kausap ko nga yung
25:59.6
isang governor na PDP laban eh
26:04.7
ito na lang yung mga
26:09.4
mag-ereflect din yan
26:10.4
dito sa mga bloggers.
26:13.3
karamihan naman sa mga bloggers,
26:16.6
are mercenaries eh.
26:18.6
highest bidder yan eh.
26:20.5
yung highest bidder
26:21.2
is the incumbent.
26:24.8
Vlogger yung incumbent,
26:26.6
di ba mo ba nag-get?
26:30.2
na bloggers na yan.
26:32.3
We are not talking about
26:33.5
one important person.
26:34.9
two of you gentlemen.
26:36.1
one of you is historian,
26:37.1
one of you is Marites.
26:38.8
mag-decide na yan.
26:40.2
Dun muna tayo kay Marites.
26:43.2
you're the first one who said,
26:45.2
maybe Liza Araneta
26:46.9
the pillar of wisdom here.
26:49.9
three pillars of wisdom
26:54.7
May mga major bloggers
27:05.6
Nasa kanya na yan eh.
27:06.8
Tapos si Martin...
27:08.5
Blogger na lang si Tonying ngayon.
27:13.0
si Speaker Martin,
27:14.9
has huge resources.
27:17.7
To fund itong mga bloggers na ito.
27:22.5
ang natitira basically
27:26.6
na hindi naman inconsequential,
27:32.6
Tapos si Maharlika,
27:36.1
na nagsimula na hindi naman
27:39.4
Nagsimula yan Vic Rodriguez eh.
27:41.7
Pero ngayon kasi,
27:42.8
Coalition of the Willing,
27:43.9
lahat ng galits kay BBM
27:46.0
Nag-pull na yan ng resources.
27:49.9
diba major blogger na rin tayo?
27:52.2
Saan ba tayo tataya?
27:54.5
naghihintay pa tayo ng Kwan eh.
27:57.1
Naghihintay pa tayo ng Gcash.
28:00.4
wala akong Gcash.
28:01.3
Naghihintayin ko ikaw, no?
28:02.8
Depende ko na sa...
28:03.9
ganyan mo rin yung glasses mo
28:05.2
para marling up tayo.
28:07.1
Sa last interview ni Sasot,
28:09.9
naka-based daw siya sa China.
28:11.6
I don't know kung...
28:16.5
Nasa China na siya.
28:18.3
Based na ba siya doon
28:19.2
o bumibisita lang siya
28:20.4
o yun ang kanyang
28:21.1
base of operation ngayon?
28:24.8
Ayaw ko magsalita.
28:26.1
Ayaw ko magsalita.
28:26.8
Kasi Martin Andonar
28:28.7
nasa China na rin.
28:30.2
Sa isang television network doon.
28:33.1
Martin Andonar was a broadcaster
28:37.5
Let's not get ahead of ourselves,
28:40.2
Ito yung din naman eh.
28:41.4
Pero ngayon sabi nga,
28:42.2
hindi ko na sigurado
28:43.8
yung mga legit-legit mo eh.
28:47.0
ang dami rin dati.
28:48.4
legit na political analyst eh.
28:50.4
Pero mga mercenaryo rin.
28:52.4
isa-isahin ko pa sila eh.
28:58.0
Magbubukingan na tayo.
29:02.5
piling ko nakita na ng tao eh.
29:04.3
Obvious na ngayon.
29:06.0
yung mga madaldal na katulad natin,
29:08.3
malalaman mo kung may linya lang eh.
29:10.6
Yung may talking points lang.
29:11.9
Malalaman mo yung 30 minutes.
29:14.0
ang gulo natin eh.
29:16.6
yung mga pro-China.
29:18.1
Yung mga pro-China,
29:21.4
Kaya yung mga pro-Sara,
29:25.7
speaking of script,
29:26.7
itong mga sinasabing mo
29:28.2
nagiging anti-Duterte na na-blogger,
29:30.3
pinag-uusapan na ba nila
29:31.4
yung war on drugs?
29:32.8
Kasi kung siniset up ICC,
29:35.4
eh di dapat ipaalala yung war on drugs.
29:37.6
Are they talking human rights now?
29:41.3
si Thinking Pinoy
29:42.5
tsaka si Banat Bay,
29:43.9
yan yung mga major protagonists
29:45.1
antagonists ngayon eh.
29:47.3
Dati magkasama yan.
29:48.7
So kahit si Thinking Pinoy,
29:50.2
hindi naman niya fully,
29:52.3
dahil nung panahon ni Digong,
29:56.8
maghahanap siya ng ibang angle
30:01.0
pwede siya mag-pay
30:02.2
ng bagong lip service
30:03.7
dito sa pag-distance ni BBM
30:08.3
Yung pag-distance niya.
30:11.3
hindi yan na magiging
30:12.2
major na debate niya
30:14.5
Who is the main blogger
30:18.3
ang nagbabagpangan.
30:18.7
Fanboy ka na talaga.
30:19.9
Fanboy ka na talaga
30:24.3
siya ng human rights,
30:25.3
kailangan nilang kumuha
30:26.1
ng bagong blogger,
30:27.1
kailangan nilang mag-top in
30:28.6
at strategy dyan.
30:31.2
kasi ito yung siguro
30:32.5
silver lining dito eh
30:35.1
kung punta sila dyan,
30:36.9
baka kaya talagang buhayin
30:38.1
yung pro-human rights discourse
30:39.6
within the blogosphere.
30:40.8
At namatay talaga
30:41.6
yung pro-human rights discourse
30:42.9
sa blogosphere natin.
30:43.7
I discovered something strange.
30:45.4
Noong nagbakbakang kami
30:47.7
over the West Philippine Sea,
30:52.8
mga known bloggers
30:56.4
bumanat kay Kwan,
30:57.8
kay Robin Padilla.
30:59.2
Tapos sinasabi nila,
31:01.7
Pero hindi kami pro-China.
31:02.7
Pero pagdating sa Kwan,
31:04.6
sa usapin ng West Philippine Sea,
31:07.0
ay kaaway namin ng China.
31:14.3
These are major bloggers.
31:17.3
pinaprotektahan nila si Digong
31:19.9
Pero when it comes to China,
31:23.0
bahagi sila ng 90%.
31:25.0
Bahagi sila ng 90%.
31:27.3
Let's not forget,
31:28.5
there are also the DDS ones
31:29.8
who are pro-tatay
31:30.8
but not the daughter.
31:32.2
Like for instance,
31:33.8
nag-endorse kay Isko,
31:35.9
Mas malapit siya kay Isko.
31:40.0
you have those permutations,
31:41.9
Interesting din permutations.
31:43.9
that's interesting.
31:46.5
remember what we said about
31:47.7
there's just so much
31:48.6
you can Harry Roque,
31:49.9
like once you pass
31:50.8
a certain threshold,
31:53.8
there are many bloggers
31:56.1
there's one new one,
31:57.9
we'd rather not name na,
32:00.6
Because there's an audience
32:02.1
for that message eh.
32:03.4
Niche din kasi yan,
32:05.7
may niche ka na ngayon.
32:07.1
Inagaw mo na lahat
32:08.0
ang followers namin
32:15.2
Heckler lang ako.
32:16.3
Hindi ako serious
32:17.4
sa political analyst
32:21.5
ng serious ngayon,
32:22.3
purong heckler na lang
32:24.3
happy times na ngayon.
32:27.5
what is your read
32:29.2
Kasi medyo posh ka.
32:40.6
Ang curious sa akin
32:46.6
gusto niya rin mag-establish
32:48.6
intellectual bona fides eh.
32:51.7
sabi niya gusto niya
32:52.3
magturo sa law school,
32:54.4
saan ulit umuwi yan?
32:58.3
nag-turo sa isang law school.
33:04.2
University siya ang tuturo?
33:06.6
Pero at that time,
33:08.5
ang reading ng mga tao
33:09.5
is they are trying to
33:10.3
create a beachhead
33:11.3
in Rojas country.
33:13.2
Pero baka there's
33:13.9
something more than that.
33:14.9
Baka meron talaga siyang
33:15.8
intellectual pretensions
33:17.2
na parang feel niya
33:21.4
nagsasalitaring kasi.
33:23.8
after nga sinabi niyo
33:24.6
na modernizer siya,
33:28.2
Mahirap siya hanapin
33:30.7
Wala siya ganun presence,
33:32.1
wala siya ganun presence
33:35.6
Ikaw nagsabi yan!
33:39.2
na siya yung side
33:40.8
na mas nakikiling
33:43.1
doon sa rebranding.
33:44.6
Doon sa rebranding,
33:47.7
may bahagi ng pamilya
33:50.2
to the old brand,
33:53.3
first term Marcos.
33:55.3
first term Marcos.
34:00.2
Meron kang kapatid
34:02.4
siya yung tinrain
34:03.1
maging presidente,
34:07.9
gustong bumiyahin.
34:10.2
Made in Malacanang.
34:14.2
may ganun klaseng
34:18.1
sa rebrand natin,
34:20.3
Dahil hindi naman natin
34:21.1
kailangan yung nakaraan,
34:27.2
meron naman talagang
34:36.5
na iisa lang yan.
34:38.8
nostalgia for the Marcos,
34:40.8
blanket masamayan.
34:43.7
they make fine-grained
34:45.3
And the fine-grained
34:45.9
distinction is between
34:46.8
the 70s and the 80s.
34:48.8
Kasi kahit ano pa
34:49.7
sabihin mo nung 70s,
34:53.3
lilinawin ko lang,
34:54.6
maraming pinapatay
34:56.4
maraming natutorture
35:01.1
na walang pakialam
35:05.1
for many of them,
35:05.9
kung tignan mo yung
35:08.0
net increase ng GDP,
35:11.0
per capita real GDP
35:14.8
corrected per person
35:16.3
and also corrected
35:18.1
Kasi mataas yung inflation
35:20.3
So, kung i-correct mo
35:21.2
per capita and per person
35:22.3
nung 70s naman talaga,
35:23.8
for the average Filipino,
35:25.1
average middle class Filipino,
35:30.4
Maybe yung mahirap,
35:32.9
pero for your average Filipino,
35:34.6
So, itong nostalgia na ito
35:36.0
is really projected
35:37.3
towards conjuring
35:40.0
So, itong idea na
35:41.2
meron kang mga tao
35:43.5
who are rebranding
35:45.5
it's also rebranding
35:47.5
of the Marcos legacy
35:49.8
compared dun sa 1980s
35:51.3
na nagkanda leche-leche
35:52.3
talaga yung Pilipinas.
35:53.7
Pero kung tignan mo,
35:54.9
yung pag-uusapan natin
35:59.1
ng population natin
36:02.9
nung nangyari yung EDSA.
36:10.8
ay sobrang lumiit na rin.
36:12.8
halos walang in-appoint
36:14.7
na Marcos loyalist.
36:15.9
Kaya nagtatampo diba
36:17.1
yung mga Marcos loyalist?
36:18.3
Bakit kami yung loyalist
36:20.8
Wala man lang kami.
36:22.3
Dahil ang liit-liit na rin rin le.
36:28.0
nitong Marcos phenomena
36:35.4
bagong information.
36:39.2
ay disinformation.
36:46.3
Because yung naniniwala ron,
36:48.7
ay maliit na bahagi
36:49.9
na lang ng populasyon.
36:52.9
It's less than 10 years.
36:55.6
of the population,
36:56.9
two-thirds of the voters,
37:00.6
nung nangyari yung EDSA.
37:07.3
during the last election.
37:09.2
pinag-uusapan natin
37:11.1
of the EDSA institutions,
37:13.0
maliban sa economy,
37:18.0
Never naman naging bahagi
37:19.3
ng ating curriculum
37:20.2
yung martial law years.
37:22.0
Never naging bahagi
37:23.1
ng ating curriculum
37:27.7
naging problematic din eh.
37:29.6
Naging very vulnerable
37:31.2
itong two-thirds na ito
37:34.4
nung nangyari yung EDSA.
37:36.8
Naging vulnerable
37:38.0
to disinformation.
37:42.4
wala naman silang,
37:43.3
wala naman naituro sa kanila eh.
37:49.8
yung mas matanda naman doon,
37:53.6
yung mga nakakaalala,
37:56.6
pinanganak yan 1970s.
37:58.2
Simula magbasa ng jaryo.
38:00.4
pinanganak ka early 1970s
38:01.9
or even late 1960s.
38:03.5
You start reading the newspaper
38:04.9
when you're 10 years old,
38:06.1
1980 for example.
38:07.8
Eh yung jaryo nun,
38:09.2
kontrolado na ni Marcos eh.
38:10.0
So, yung kinagisnan mo na jaryo,
38:14.0
O, brainwash ka na.
38:15.1
Kasi hindi mo na inabutan
38:16.8
yung free press eh.
38:18.8
nagsimula ka magbasa ng jaryo,
38:20.0
hindi na nagsusulat si Nick Joaquin.
38:21.4
Parang wala na yan.
38:22.5
Pinasara na yan lahat.
38:24.2
kahit yung Voltes 5,
38:25.4
di mo na mapanood yung ending.
38:29.5
for that particular generation,
38:36.5
Ang kinagisnan niya,
38:37.0
ang pro-Marcos media na.
38:38.9
Tsaka yung authoritarian nostalgia,
38:44.8
political science literature,
38:46.4
On false nostalgia,
38:48.3
authoritarian nostalgia,
38:49.9
Yung marami sa atin na,
38:51.7
yung the people who should know better,
38:53.9
who saw the horrors,
38:55.6
passing down the fake news
38:57.6
and disinformation
39:00.8
I think we want to have
39:03.7
Pag-usapan natin.
39:04.1
Nandapunta tayo dito eh.
39:07.0
Pag-usapan natin.
39:10.9
we didn't even talk about
39:13.8
we talk about everyone,
39:15.3
even Lisa Araneta,
39:17.0
except Digong, no?
39:18.9
can I just go back to yung point ko
39:20.2
about Lisa, diba?
39:21.1
Because lagi natin sinasabi
39:22.9
is not his father.
39:26.0
the other First Lady,
39:28.8
Ngayon nga wala siyang
39:29.5
Instagram account.
39:30.9
Nag-hukay ako nung
39:33.1
yung Instagram account.
39:34.1
Imagine mo kung si Imelda yan,
39:35.6
kung may Instagram
39:36.2
nung panahon ni Imelda,
39:37.9
ng Instagram account niya
39:40.9
And hanggang ngayon,
39:42.7
Instagram account si Imelda
39:44.0
na parang meron lang
39:44.8
mga nostalgia pictures
39:45.9
ng mga dresses niya
39:48.0
Ito tahimik gumalaw.
40:00.0
sa isang episode,
40:01.7
wala ang operator
40:04.6
Siyang operator type figure.
40:05.7
And maybe the closest
40:06.9
he has is actually
40:08.3
dahil tahimik gumalaw.
40:11.4
ang nagiging operator kasi
40:13.5
si Speaker Martin.
40:16.1
Especially with the huge resources
40:20.4
officially and personally.
40:30.3
Wala sa front line,
40:32.0
pero alam mo nandun.
40:34.9
nagbubuo ng sariling
40:38.8
framework at saka
40:41.0
Perhaps more than
40:50.2
maipasa sa anak niya eh.
40:55.2
mas nagkikiling siya
40:57.2
political project
41:06.9
baka hindi na isole.
41:09.8
Hindi lang hindi isole.
41:11.1
Baka lalagot kayo dyan.
41:12.9
Mas nakakasigurado siya
41:22.7
yun yung naga-unfold
41:24.2
Kaya yung pagkiling niya
41:26.8
kay Speaker Martin.
41:32.9
balikan si Digong
41:35.1
elephant in the room
41:44.4
ng head ng iglesia,
41:51.4
Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.
41:58.1
kung sakaling magkakaroon
42:00.3
ang may capacity lang
42:03.9
alimawa sa Metro Manila
42:05.2
at saka sa key cities,
42:14.1
perhaps more than
42:15.3
the Marcos government.
42:20.3
in the balance sheet,
42:21.6
mas may pagkiling sila.
42:24.3
Kung titignan mo yung
42:28.7
Ang pagkiling nila
42:38.1
yung mga hinihingi nila
42:39.2
na hindi na ibigay.
42:43.3
Kay Pastrana ba yan?
42:44.5
Nakalala mo yung episode
42:48.8
Department of Transportation,
42:53.8
na si Vic Rodriguez
42:54.7
got into trouble was
42:55.9
because hindi daw
42:57.4
some of the groups
42:58.2
who were expecting.
43:00.7
there's that element, eh.
43:02.6
that has been addressed.
43:08.9
mukhang kasi yan, eh,
43:09.6
usapin niya ng alaga.
43:13.6
nung first year ni Digong,
43:16.3
hindi pa nila kabisado
43:18.1
dahil matagal silang
43:21.9
nawala sa politika.
43:23.0
You mean Marcos Jr.?
43:24.1
You mean Marcos Jr.?
43:32.5
elephant in the room.
43:35.2
malakas ang loob ni Digong
43:38.3
ng destabilization,
43:41.7
institution ng Congress,
43:45.9
as vice president
43:48.2
yung kanyang anak,
43:54.0
confidential fund
43:56.0
si Congresswoman Castro.
43:59.2
nagtataog siya ng lamesa
44:00.5
hindi lamang dahil
44:03.1
Nagtataog siya ng lamesa
44:05.2
ng mga nakakausap
44:06.5
ng mga major forces,
44:10.8
isang batch sa PMA,
44:13.0
isang grupo ng mga
44:17.6
isang religious group
44:24.6
magiging problema
44:32.1
hindi pa feel ni Digong
44:33.3
na kailangan niya
44:43.1
something sooner.
44:44.5
Kaya yun yung context
44:46.4
ng Chief of Staff
44:47.3
of the Armed Forces
44:51.9
Iba yung destabilization.
44:53.6
wala talaga siyang alas,
44:54.9
Unless sabihin mo
44:55.7
na popular pa rin siya,
44:57.0
which we actually don't know.
44:58.1
Wala na tayong data
45:02.7
tingin ko popular pa rin siya
45:04.1
but not as popular.
45:05.0
As nung siya ay presidente.
45:08.5
ay yung influence niya
45:09.9
sa chain of command
45:10.8
ay dramatically reduced.
45:13.4
Pagamat popular siya
45:14.7
siguro sa karaniwang sundalo
45:17.7
in-riple niya yung sahod
45:19.6
yung mga pensyon,
45:23.2
chain of command eh.
45:25.0
Nangyari lang yan
45:26.3
nung panahon na era
45:27.1
na yung chain of command
45:31.7
All the other coup
45:33.1
dahil wala silang tao
45:34.4
sa chain of command.
45:35.5
kulang yung tao nila
45:36.9
sa chain of command.
45:40.6
mamatsaga natin eh.
45:42.4
Yun yung maraming
45:44.3
The chain of command.
45:46.9
mobilizable force.
45:50.8
foreign superpowers.
45:56.1
ang tinginan ng China
46:04.3
they have to support
46:19.9
for the next episode?
46:21.7
for the next episode
46:23.5
the other elephant
46:24.5
is also the economy
46:25.3
which is not doing good
46:26.2
and the latest number
46:27.4
coming out of BSP
46:30.7
in terms of profits
46:39.0
for some discussion
46:39.9
in the next episode.
46:43.1
you're also worried
46:44.5
about the economy
46:45.8
in the right direction
46:46.4
and that could be
46:48.9
legitimately criticized
46:50.0
by the other forces
46:56.3
false information.
46:58.1
Which is another question
46:59.3
so let's go to that.
47:00.2
Thank you very much
47:01.3
Maraming salamat.
