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Christian Esguerra
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00:00.0
Intro
00:00.5
O, kumusta guys? Kumusta po kayo dyan sa Manila?
00:25.6
Nandito po tayo ngayon sa Tokyo, dito po sa Japan.
00:28.2
Nagbabakasyan lang po ng konti.
00:29.4
Medyo nabitin po ako doon sa programa natin last Friday.
00:33.0
Ang ganda po na pinag-uusapan natin.
00:34.7
Sama po ng audio ko.
00:37.4
Sinubukan po natin kasing isingit yung programa in the middle of vacation.
00:41.9
Kahit pa pa nairaos pero nabitin talaga ako sa discussion.
00:44.7
Kasi ang ganda ng topic, pinag-uusapan po natin last Friday.
00:48.2
Kung tama ba o dapat ba na bumalik ang Pilipinas dito po sa bilang signatory ng Rome Statute.
00:54.3
Yung Rome Statute, yun po yung tratado na nagtatag.
00:59.4
Nang tinatawag na International Criminal Court.
01:02.1
So, we were a state party dito po sa Rome Statute.
01:06.3
We ratified that noong 2011, noong panahon po ni dating Pangulong Binigno Aquino III.
01:12.2
Pero syempre, noong panahon po ni President Rodrigo Duterte,
01:15.2
he single-handedly removed the Philippines from the ICC, from the Rome Statute.
01:20.7
I think that took effect in 2019, kung hindi po tayo nakakamali.
01:24.6
Ngayon, may konting conversation kung dapat ba na bumalik tayo dito sa ICC.
01:29.4
Ang konteksto po ng discussion na ito, talagang nakadikit doon po sa napabalita.
01:35.4
And marami na rin po nagsasabi, at may mga nakakausap po tayo talaga,
01:39.2
na mukhang may girihan yung tinatawag na UNITEAM.
01:41.4
At yun po yung konteksto kung saan napapag-usapan din po itong pagsali ng Pilipinas muli sa ICC.
01:48.0
At saka po yung dapat bang payagan na makakapasok po dito sa Pilipinas,
01:53.5
o dyan po sa Pilipinas, yun po mga taga-ICC para imbistigahan yung pagpatay,
01:58.6
yung mga ilagaran.
01:59.4
Tapataya ng panahon po ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
02:02.4
Yung pinag-uusapan natin po yan, yun po yung pinag-uusapan natin noong Friday.
02:05.7
Kaso ang samasama ng audio ko.
02:07.3
So ngayon, I hope medyo better na, no?
02:09.2
Nandito tayo sa Tokyo, medyo sarap ng simoy na hangin.
02:13.2
Bagyo weather.
02:14.5
And masarap mag-ikot-ikot.
02:16.9
Yung nga po, yun ang pag-uusapan natin ngayon.
02:18.5
So I'd like to spend this episode, papalabas po natin ito ngayon.
02:23.5
Pinapalabas po natin ngayong gabi.
02:25.4
Today is a Tuesday.
02:27.5
Gusto ko pag-usapan, no?
02:28.5
Kasi nga, nakikita natin,
02:30.0
parang the Marcos administration is dropping certain signals
02:34.2
na pwedeng pabor o hindi.
02:36.0
Depende kung sino ka doon sa equation.
02:38.9
Kung ikaw si President Rodrigo Duterte,
02:41.1
kung ikaw si Senator Bato de la Rosa,
02:43.9
dapat ka na bang kabahan?
02:45.4
Dahil baka nagda-drop ng signals or signs yung Marcos administration
02:48.7
na baka payagan yung ICC para mag-imbestiga dito.
02:53.5
Tingnan natin, himayin po natin yung issue na yan.
02:55.6
Unang-una, meron pong House Resolution.
02:57.4
Ang nag-file po roon,
02:58.3
isa po sa mga co-authors ng Resolution na yun,
03:01.2
yun ang sponsor, siya nag-file,
03:03.0
si Congressman Benny Abante.
03:05.1
Siya po yung head ng Human Rights Committee
03:07.3
ng House of Representatives.
03:09.2
And nakalagay po roon sa Resolution na yun
03:11.4
na dapat in-urge nila yung Marcos administration
03:15.1
para supportahan, mag-cooperate dito po sa ICC investigation.
03:19.4
Dito po sa mga laganat na pagpatay
03:21.6
noong panahon po ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
03:24.6
Medyo kakaiba po yan, no?
03:25.7
Dahil yan po yung isang Resolution
03:27.4
na hindi po galing sa minority sa House of Representatives.
03:30.7
Galing po siya sa majority.
03:32.7
So meron kaya yung basbas ng majority?
03:35.8
Most likely.
03:37.1
O mahirap na maisipin na wala.
03:38.5
Alam nyo po ba kung bakit?
03:40.0
Kung alam po natin yung mga kalakaran dyan sa House of Representatives,
03:42.8
bihirang gumalaw o kumilos ang ilang miyembro ng mayorya,
03:47.3
especially for something as important as this,
03:50.1
yung tinatawag na ICC issue,
03:52.6
kung wala pong basbas ng House leadership.
03:54.5
In this case, si Speaker Ferdinand Martin Ramon,
03:57.4
siya po yung pinsang buo ni Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
04:01.2
So far, medyo tahimik pa sila dyan.
04:02.9
Although si President Marcos, recently, sabi niya,
04:05.4
hindi naman tama na dayuhan daw yung magsabi
04:07.6
dito sa ating mga polis, dito sa ating mga law enforcers,
04:10.5
kung sino dapat imbistigahan,
04:11.8
tsaka sino dapat yung hulihin.
04:13.4
Pero mapapaisip kayo,
04:14.9
hindi basta-basta yung the mere filing of such a resolution
04:18.3
that speaks volumes
04:20.5
in this context that we are talking about.
04:23.1
Dapat na bang kabahan?
04:24.1
Yung mga dapat kabahan pagdating dyan?
04:26.7
Kasi biglang may gano'ng galaw eh.
04:28.4
Kasi kung nag-file lang yan, minority,
04:30.1
and I think there was a similar resolution filed earlier
04:34.3
by the Maccabayan bloc sa House of Representatives,
04:37.5
kung ilan yung resolution na pinag-uusapan natin,
04:39.6
par for the caution eh,
04:40.6
kung maga ano na yun, expected.
04:43.1
Dahil trabaho nila yun eh.
04:45.3
Pero dito,
04:46.7
teka lang ah, medyo may truck na umandar,
04:48.7
baka umingay tayo.
04:50.7
Dito, ayan, aandar na yung truck sa tabi ko.
04:53.6
Pasensya na po ah.
04:54.9
Ayan.
04:55.7
Dito, pinag-uusapan,
04:56.6
pinag-uusapan natin,
04:57.2
resolution na galing mismo sa majority.
05:00.6
So, hindi po malabo na wala pong ano,
05:05.7
malabo pong isipin na wala pong basbasyan ni ah,
05:09.5
or at least,
05:10.4
pinapayagan na tumakbo,
05:14.0
kung magagumulong ng House leadership.
05:16.5
Eh bakit naman niya gagawin yun?
05:17.8
Well, nakikita natin na meron niyang napapabalitang girian
05:20.7
sa pagitan ng mga Duterte
05:22.7
at saka ni House Speaker Ferdinand Martin Romualdes,
05:25.2
ilang beses na rin po natin niya napag-uusapan dito sa ating programa
05:28.2
at isa po sa mga pinakamadaldal
05:30.5
ng mga analist na nakakausap natin tungkol dyan specifically,
05:33.9
of course, yung paborito nyo,
05:35.4
si ah, si Mr. Ronald Llamas.
05:38.0
And, dito, parang mahirap na maisipin na
05:40.4
yung galaw ng House Speaker na pinsang buo ng Presidente,
05:43.7
hindi alam ng Pangulo.
05:45.1
Pwede ba namang kumilos mag-isa yung Speaker
05:46.6
na hindi alam ng Pangulo?
05:48.4
Yan po yung mga inaantabayan natin mga issues,
05:50.4
kung paano po siya mag-unfall.
05:51.7
Kasi napaka-importante po niyan.
05:53.4
Kasi,
05:53.7
during the Duterte administration,
05:56.0
eh, kaya nga inalis ni Duterte yung Pilipinas doon sa ICC.
05:59.7
Talaga galit siya dahil ba't yung koko-imbestigahan, di ba?
06:02.8
Ayaw niyang, ano,
06:03.7
imbestigahan yung laganan na pagpatay noong panahon niya.
06:06.9
Ngayon, ilan po ba yung bilang na pinag-uusapan natin?
06:09.0
Sinasabi, of course, ng mga human rights groups,
06:11.0
pumapalo ng even more than 20,000 deaths.
06:14.1
At sa akin,
06:15.0
ang ginagamit ko na kalang numero,
06:16.4
yung mismong galing sa, ano eh,
06:17.6
sa Philippine National Police,
06:18.8
yung official.
06:19.3
Sabi nila, di ba,
06:20.4
nasa at least 6,000 or 6,200,
06:23.1
ah,
06:23.7
people daw,
06:25.5
yung alleged,
06:26.7
ah,
06:28.0
drug suspects,
06:29.2
eto ro yung mga, ano,
06:30.2
mga drug suspects, no?
06:32.0
Ah,
06:32.8
eto ro yung mga diumanoy nanlaban.
06:34.7
Lahat daw yan nanlaban.
06:35.6
Kaya napatay in the course of legitimate police operations.
06:38.9
Ang tanong,
06:39.4
ilan ba diyan inimbestigahan ngayon?
06:41.1
Hanggang ngayon, di ba, as we speak,
06:42.7
wala na po sa poder si President Duterte,
06:45.5
ilan ba diyan talagang masusing iniimbestigahan
06:48.2
o inimbestigahan
06:49.2
ng ating ma-autoridad?
06:51.0
So, isa po yan sa mga tinitingnan natin.
06:53.0
Kasi,
06:53.1
pag sinabi ni President Marcos na,
06:55.1
hindi, gumugulong naman yung, ano,
06:56.3
yung justice system sa atin, eh.
06:57.9
Well, as I always say dito sa programa natin,
07:01.5
hindi naman question kung gumugulong o hindi, eh.
07:03.9
Gumugulong ba siya lagi?
07:05.3
At ng nararapat, di ba?
07:07.2
The justice system may be working,
07:09.1
but, ah,
07:09.8
does it work all the time?
07:12.2
And for all the right reasons, di ba?
07:15.1
Ngayon, nakikita natin,
07:16.1
medyo may mga signs, no?
07:17.9
Kasi dati, very,
07:19.6
very strong yung mga pahayag
07:21.9
coming from,
07:23.1
from the administration,
07:25.3
na hindi, hindi pwedeng pumasok kay ICC.
07:27.3
Hindi, hindi tayo,
07:27.9
hindi, hindi tayo babalik dyan.
07:29.6
Pero ngayon, di ba,
07:30.3
may mga certain hints, no?
07:31.7
Although, baka sabihin ng iba,
07:33.0
we're just reading
07:33.7
too much into the words of the President.
07:36.1
Although, siya nga mismo, sinabi niya,
07:37.7
hindi siya agree.
07:38.4
Teka, basahin natin, no?
07:39.3
Para malinaw, no?
07:40.1
Ano ba yung eksaktong sinabi ng Pangulo
07:41.6
dito sa, ano,
07:43.7
sa pagpasok
07:44.5
o pag-cooperate
07:46.1
dito sa ICC?
07:47.5
Sabi niya,
07:48.4
but as I,
07:49.3
but as I,
07:50.1
as I always said,
07:51.4
I have always said,
07:52.4
there are still some problems
07:54.2
in terms of jurisdiction
07:55.5
and sovereignty.
07:58.3
Now, if you can solve those problems,
08:00.4
then that would be something else.
08:02.8
But medyo fundamental yung mga question na ganon,
08:05.4
sabi niya.
08:06.2
Sasabi pa ni President Marcos,
08:07.7
simple lang para sa akin, eh.
08:09.4
Simple lang naman yung issue na yan.
08:11.1
Hindi naman siguro tama
08:12.2
na ang mga tegalabas,
08:13.8
mga dayuhan,
08:14.9
ang magsasabi sa atin
08:15.9
kung sino'y imbistigahan ng polis natin,
08:18.3
sino'y arestuhin ng polis natin,
08:19.8
at sino'y kukulong ng mga polis natin.
08:21.6
Hindi naman siguro,
08:22.2
so tama yan.
08:23.1
Hindi po talaga tama yun, no?
08:25.0
Kaso,
08:25.9
nag-iimbestiga ba tayo?
08:27.5
Ginagawa ba natin yun?
08:28.5
Kasi hindi po simple pa tayo
08:29.6
yung pinag-uusapan natin, no?
08:31.0
More than 6,000
08:32.3
recorded deaths
08:33.8
at coming from the official figures po yan
08:36.0
before ng Philippine National Police.
08:38.0
I don't know kung naglalabas pa sila ngayon
08:39.5
ng official figures,
08:40.8
parang huminto na po, no?
08:42.2
Pero hindi po biro yan.
08:43.4
At hindi po natin pwedeng sabihin na
08:44.6
lahat siyan addict,
08:46.3
lahat po yan pusher,
08:47.7
at lahat po yan nanlaban.
08:49.0
Kaya ng issue rito,
08:50.4
paano ba nag-create
08:51.5
yung ganyang senaryo,
08:53.0
yung ganyang atmosphere
08:54.0
na parang bang andaling pumatay?
08:55.9
Basta pinagsuspechahan mo na addict
08:57.7
o tulak ng droga,
08:59.4
patayin na agad.
09:00.7
At tapos palalabasin na lang
09:01.9
sa investigation,
09:03.0
kuno,
09:04.1
eh lahat po yan nanlaban.
09:05.6
Talagang, ano,
09:06.3
they fired at the police officers.
09:08.3
Hindi po pwedeng ganun.
09:09.6
Okay?
09:10.1
And,
09:10.8
tulad na sinasabi natin lagi,
09:12.2
hindi po natin ginagawa ito
09:13.2
dahil kinakampihan natin,
09:14.4
let's say, mga addict
09:15.2
o yung mga pusher,
09:16.8
yung mga nagtutulak ng droga.
09:17.9
Hindi po yun ang punto natin dito.
09:19.3
So, ang sinasabi natin dito,
09:21.1
sa isang demokrasya,
09:22.1
sa isang matinong lipunan,
09:24.3
yung mga ganyang patayan,
09:25.8
dapat ini-investigahan ng mabuti
09:27.3
at hindi pinapayagan
09:28.4
na napakadali pong
09:29.6
kumalabit ng gatilyo
09:32.2
ng ating mga law enforcers
09:33.5
simply because they thought na,
09:35.8
eh, sabi kasi sa taas eh,
09:37.1
madaling patayin.
09:37.7
Patay na yan, di ba?
09:39.0
Hindi pwedeng ganun.
09:40.2
Di ba?
09:40.5
Parang napaka-cheap
09:41.8
ng buhay dito sa atin
09:42.7
sa Pilipinas.
09:45.0
So, yun nga.
09:45.5
Kung yun ang mga sinabi
09:46.4
ni President Marcos
09:47.4
most recently,
09:48.6
ang tanong sa kanya,
09:49.3
eh, nag-iimbestiga po ba?
09:52.4
At kung sakal yung mag-imbestiga ngayon,
09:54.2
ano ba yung magiging takbo
09:55.0
ng investigasyon?
09:56.5
Meron po bang
09:57.3
malinaw na access
09:59.6
na binibigay sa lahat ng records?
10:01.9
Yung mga records po ba
10:02.8
well-preserved
10:03.6
para talagang ma-imbestigahan
10:05.4
at mapapanagot
10:06.6
yung mga dapat mapanagot
10:07.9
dito po sa lagar at napatayan
10:09.7
ng panahon
10:10.6
ni dating Pangulong
10:11.7
Rodrigo Duterte?
10:12.9
Yan po yung mga dapat
10:13.7
sirasagot din niya.
10:14.6
Hindi naman pwede
10:15.1
mag-stonewall ka lang
10:16.1
dahil in the name of politics.
10:18.3
Hindi pwedeng ganun.
10:19.9
Di ba?
10:20.5
Parang, hindi,
10:21.1
wag kayong pumasok
10:21.7
kasi tatamaan yung
10:22.9
kakampi ko sa politika.
10:24.4
Ano ba yung right thing to do?
10:26.4
Pero syempre,
10:27.3
dun sa mismong pahayag na rin niya yan,
10:29.9
sinabi niya na parang
10:30.8
tinitingnan na rin.
10:33.5
Tinan natin,
10:34.4
yung mismong words niya,
10:35.2
sabi niya,
10:35.6
sabi niya,
10:36.8
there's always a question,
10:38.3
should we return
10:39.2
under the fold of the ICC?
10:41.4
So that's again,
10:42.3
understudy.
10:44.0
So we'll just keep looking at it
10:46.0
and we'll see
10:47.1
what our options are.
10:49.3
Di ba?
10:50.3
Sabi niya.
10:51.2
Kaya maraming medyo
10:52.5
napaisip.
10:54.9
So mukhang binubuksan ba ni President Marcos
10:57.1
yung pinto
10:57.7
dun sa posibilidad na bumalik
10:59.2
ang Pilipinas
10:59.9
bilang state party
11:01.2
doon sa Rome Statute,
11:02.5
yung tratado
11:03.1
na nagtayo po
11:04.2
ng International Criminal Court?
11:07.0
Buka, kasi understudy.
11:08.5
Di ba?
11:09.7
Kasi parang hindi natin makita
11:10.8
yung mga categorical statements
11:12.4
sa kanya.
11:12.8
Kung ikaw si Duterte,
11:13.6
parang kakabahan ka ng konti.
11:15.1
Parang kulang sa
11:16.1
kulang sa pagiging categorical.
11:18.7
Di ba?
11:18.7
Di ba?
11:18.7
Yung leaving no doubt
11:20.1
sa yung mga pahayag ng Pangulo.
11:22.2
Kasi tatamaan siya dyan eh.
11:23.7
Tignan natin.
11:24.8
Baka may kanalaman kaya ito
11:26.0
doon sa napabalit
11:27.0
ng destabilization
11:28.7
na di umano
11:29.8
nang gagaling sa direction
11:31.0
ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
11:33.5
Kasi dito siguro
11:34.2
nare-realize
11:35.0
sa mga ibang members
11:36.2
ng UNITEAM,
11:37.0
yung mga kampi
11:37.6
kay President Rodrigo Duterte,
11:39.8
iba talaga
11:40.3
pag ikaw yung Pangulo.
11:42.0
Pag ikaw yung nasa puder.
11:44.4
You have
11:44.9
practically everything
11:46.6
under your disposal.
11:48.7
Napakalakas mo
11:49.7
bilang Pangulo.
11:50.8
Ang tanong,
11:51.7
nagre-regret na ba
11:52.6
si Vice President
11:53.7
Sara Duterte?
11:55.1
Bakit ba ako
11:56.0
pumayag na
11:57.2
mag-slide down
11:58.3
sa pagtakbo
12:00.5
sa pagka-Vice Presidente?
12:02.9
Eh di ba,
12:04.5
there were surveys before
12:05.9
na siya yung nangungune.
12:07.2
Pero syempre,
12:07.9
nung usapan,
12:08.6
yung unity talks,
12:10.5
eh nakonvince siya
12:11.7
na tumakbo na lang
12:13.3
sa pagka-Vice Presidente.
12:15.3
So may regret na ba ngayon?
12:16.7
Kasi yun talaga
12:17.3
nasa puder.
12:17.9
Yung President
12:18.4
Marcos.
12:19.4
Kahit sinabi pa before
12:20.5
ng kanyang ama,
12:21.8
si dating Pangulong
12:22.5
Rodrigo Duterte,
12:24.0
na mahina raw,
12:25.4
di ba,
12:25.6
weak leader
12:26.3
si President Marcos.
12:27.9
Whether he likes it or not,
12:29.2
there are many moving parts
12:30.3
in this issue.
12:31.4
At si President Marcos,
12:32.6
siya yung nasa puder ngayon.
12:34.3
So,
12:34.9
kung totoo
12:35.4
na merong
12:36.8
efforts to destabilize
12:38.6
the Marcos administration
12:40.2
coming from the Duterte
12:41.5
camp or group,
12:43.8
eh malaking bala
12:44.7
ang meron naman itong ano.
12:46.6
President Marcos.
12:47.6
Eh paano akong papapalagay?
12:48.4
Kapasukan yung ICC.
12:50.1
Di ba?
12:50.5
Sino makayayari doon?
12:52.1
Kaya nga baka pati si President,
12:53.8
pati si Senator
12:54.4
Bato de Rosa,
12:56.2
dapat na bang kabahan?
12:58.4
Eh kasi nga,
12:59.0
eh siya yung implementer,
13:00.6
di ba,
13:00.9
nitong brutal drug war
13:02.7
ni President Rodrigo Duterte.
13:05.0
Eh,
13:05.6
kahit takaupo siya sa Senado,
13:07.0
tingnan natin, no?
13:08.2
Iba pa rin,
13:08.8
syempre,
13:09.1
pag may kumpas at basbas
13:10.6
ng Pangulo ng Pilipinas
13:11.9
at kung talagang payagan
13:13.1
ang ICC na makapasok.
13:15.3
Kaya lang,
13:15.8
ngayon medyo mix yung signals, eh.
13:17.3
Siguro,
13:17.9
yung signals,
13:18.4
because they're meant to
13:19.5
to keep
13:21.9
the Duterte people at bay.
13:24.7
At the same time,
13:26.1
not to antagonize them a lot.
13:28.4
Kahit pa paano,
13:29.7
safe distance,
13:30.8
hindi naman inaapis,
13:32.2
pero hindi rin naman, ano,
13:34.0
ah,
13:34.4
tawad dito.
13:36.9
Meron,
13:37.4
meron pa rin senyales
13:38.8
na ipinaparating sa kanila.
13:40.3
Yan ang mga importante
13:41.1
yung dapat tinututukan din dito.
13:42.7
Pero syempre,
13:43.2
doon yung sinasabi ko,
13:44.5
alam ba yung punot-dulo
13:45.2
ng issue na ito?
13:46.6
Madaling panuuring kasi yung
13:47.9
yung
13:48.0
intramurals within the unity.
13:50.6
Madaling
13:51.0
tingnan yung
13:52.5
nangyayaring girian
13:53.6
sa pagitan ni Romualdes,
13:55.9
Duterte,
13:57.4
o ng mga Marcos Romualdes
13:58.7
versus Dutertes,
14:00.1
mga cast of characters na yan.
14:02.1
Madaling panuuring yan
14:03.0
if you only see politics
14:04.5
as a
14:05.5
spectacle,
14:07.0
as entertainment.
14:08.4
Diba?
14:08.9
Para ka nanonood
14:09.6
ng House of Cards,
14:10.8
siguro,
14:11.4
or some Netflix
14:12.3
series.
14:14.9
Pero at the end of the day,
14:15.9
eh, ano po ba pakinabang dyan
14:17.6
ng ordinaryong Pilipino?
14:19.2
Ano po ba yung pakinabang
14:20.4
natin dyan
14:21.0
bilang mga mamayan
14:22.7
dito,
14:23.3
dito sa Pilipinas?
14:25.0
And of course,
14:25.7
ang pinaka-issue dyan,
14:26.7
accountability.
14:28.7
Kung sino man
14:29.9
yung naging arkitekto,
14:32.2
yung talagang
14:32.7
nag-create ng environment
14:34.2
kung saan napakadaling
14:35.6
pumatay
14:36.2
at libo-libo po
14:38.4
inapatay,
14:40.3
dapat naman mabigyan po
14:41.4
ng hostesya
14:42.2
yung mga biktima na yun.
14:45.3
Kaya nga po tayo
14:45.9
may tinatawag na due process, eh.
14:47.3
Dito sa isang demokrasya,
14:49.5
sa isang legal system,
14:50.6
meron po tinatawag na due process.
14:53.1
Nakakainis talaga minsan
14:54.2
dahil yung due process
14:55.2
mabagal.
14:57.5
Every step of the way,
14:58.9
meron proseso.
14:59.9
And due process,
15:00.9
mind you,
15:01.6
tama naman yung iba.
15:02.8
Talaga naaabusa rin
15:03.8
yung due process.
15:05.3
But we still have to make
15:06.3
this system work.
15:08.0
We need to fix the system,
15:09.6
but we need to
15:10.3
make the system work as well.
15:13.2
So that,
15:14.5
wala pong mabibiktima,
15:16.2
wala pong
15:16.8
maaabusa,
15:17.3
at wala pong
15:18.9
mababawian ng buhay
15:20.1
ng hindi po nararapat.
15:22.7
Diba?
15:23.0
Siyempre, yung police,
15:23.8
meron naman silang right
15:24.6
to defend themselves
15:25.5
in the course of their
15:26.9
legitimate police operations.
15:29.3
Pero ang hirap isipin, no,
15:30.9
lahat ba nung
15:31.7
nasa record ng
15:32.5
Philippine National Police
15:33.5
more than 6,000,
15:34.4
6,200 deaths,
15:36.0
lahat ba yun
15:36.5
nanlaban?
15:38.4
Lahat daw yun
15:39.1
nanlaban,
15:41.1
kaya pinatay ng police?
15:42.9
Eh, diba,
15:43.9
lumabas din eventually
15:44.8
pagbaba ng
15:45.6
DT administration,
15:47.3
nung pumarit po
15:47.8
yung Marcos administration,
15:49.2
diba lumabas din
15:49.7
sa mga findings?
15:50.5
Tanungin nyo sila, no,
15:51.7
Dr. Raquel Fortun.
15:53.4
Diba?
15:54.5
Yung mga questionable
15:55.2
trajectory ng bullet,
15:57.1
iba,
15:57.9
kaliwete,
15:59.6
tapos sa kanan,
16:00.2
yung baril,
16:00.6
yung mga ganun findings
16:01.3
na parang malaburo
16:02.4
na nanlaban.
16:04.0
Diba?
16:05.0
So,
16:05.9
dapat lahat yan lumabas.
16:07.2
Eh, kung hindi yan
16:07.6
mapalabas,
16:08.2
dahil yung sistema natin,
16:09.8
eh, mas pinaprotektahan
16:10.9
yung mga makapangyarihan,
16:13.6
eh, baka talagang
16:14.1
kailangan pong pumasok
16:15.3
ng International Criminal Court.
16:18.2
Tsaka sana,
16:19.0
si President Marcos,
16:21.0
baka nakakalimutan niya,
16:22.4
diba?
16:23.2
Isa po siya
16:23.7
sa mga signatories
16:24.9
nung senador pa po siya,
16:27.2
yung magda,
16:28.8
para ratifikahan po
16:30.4
yung international,
16:31.6
yung Rome Statute.
16:33.6
Diba?
16:34.5
So,
16:35.9
baka nakakalimutan niya na
16:36.9
kung bakit niya
16:37.6
nilagdaan yun.
16:40.0
At kung para saan
16:40.8
yung ICC,
16:41.7
kung para saan
16:42.3
yung Rome Statute.
16:44.0
Okay?
16:45.7
Ayun.
16:46.9
Nga pala,
16:47.3
bago tayo magtapos,
16:48.6
kaya gusto ko rin
16:49.5
mag-record ng special episode
16:51.9
ngayong gabi
16:52.4
kasi nahihiya ako
16:53.2
dun sa mga napangakuan ko
16:54.5
ng mga
16:55.0
bibigyan natin
16:56.1
ng pagbati,
16:57.1
ng shoutout.
16:57.8
Last week pa po.
16:59.1
At sama po kasi
16:59.8
ng audio ko nung Friday,
17:01.3
hindi ko sila mabati
17:02.3
kasi ayoko masayang
17:04.1
yung greetings sa kanila.
17:05.6
Alam ko,
17:05.9
nakaabang po yung marami
17:06.8
sa kanila.
17:07.4
So, isa-isahin po natin
17:08.4
kaya don't worry,
17:09.2
don't worry.
17:10.1
Ito po.
17:11.2
Sige.
17:12.3
Ito si Benji
17:13.8
do'o bago.
17:14.9
Tag-Australia to.
17:16.2
So,
17:17.3
shoutout naman daw po
17:18.7
sa UST alumni,
17:20.1
Australia.
17:21.0
Shoutout po sa inyo,
17:22.7
mga schoolmates natin,
17:24.1
sa mga fellow
17:25.1
UST alumni
17:26.0
sa Australia.
17:27.6
Tapos,
17:28.3
si Ethel Star.
17:29.8
Ayan.
17:30.2
Sabi niya,
17:30.7
please greet my daughter,
17:32.0
Angela Chua Vinson.
17:34.1
Birthday niya nung
17:34.8
November 27.
17:36.8
Naku, kahapon.
17:37.7
Tapos na po.
17:38.7
Belated happy birthday
17:39.8
sa'yo,
17:41.7
Angela Chua Vinson.
17:43.8
Tapos,
17:44.7
si Dina
17:45.9
Atienza
17:47.3
Wait lang, ha.
17:50.5
Maranon ba to?
17:51.3
Nakalimutan.
17:51.9
Naputol.
17:52.5
Sorry, ha.
17:54.2
Ayan, sabi niya.
17:55.0
Pa-shoutout naman po
17:56.0
sa Friday.
17:57.0
Pipiliting kong gumising
17:58.1
na maaga
17:58.6
para maka-tune in
17:59.7
sa live streaming.
18:01.1
By the way,
18:01.6
sarap ng usapan ninyo
18:02.6
ni Secretary Llamas.
18:04.5
Secretary Llamas,
18:06.9
nakatungtong pa kayo
18:07.8
sa lupa.
18:08.4
God bless.
18:08.9
Ayan, Dina.
18:09.7
Maraming maraming salamat sa'yo.
18:11.0
Sorry, ha.
18:11.3
Hindi kita nabati nung Friday
18:12.4
kasi napakapangit
18:13.7
ng audio ko talaga.
18:14.5
Nahiya ako sa inyo.
18:15.7
Nasaan ako, eh.
18:17.3
Nasa isang...
18:18.8
Actually, inuman yata
18:19.8
sa Tokyo yung naabutan ko, eh.
18:21.3
Kaya,
18:21.9
nilapag ko na rin
18:22.8
yung laptop ko.
18:23.5
Tapos,
18:24.4
nag-live episode na.
18:26.3
Hindi ko narayos
18:26.8
ang pangit-pangit pa rin
18:27.7
ng audio ko.
18:28.6
Ito, I hope better na, no?
18:30.8
Ito naman,
18:31.6
si Lionel
18:32.4
Razon.
18:35.0
Sabi niya,
18:36.1
Watching here in Pampanga.
18:37.8
Favor naman,
18:38.5
please birthday
18:39.2
ng Sanya.
18:40.9
Bukas.
18:43.6
Mukhang tapos na rin
18:44.4
itong birthday
18:44.9
ng kanyang anak, no?
18:46.2
Ako, sige.
18:47.0
Binabati.
18:47.3
Binabati natin.
18:48.2
Belated happy birthday
18:49.3
yung anak ni Lionel
18:50.6
Razon.
18:52.3
Ayan.
18:52.6
Ang pangalan niya
18:53.3
si Kyle Francis Razon.
18:55.6
Officer 1
18:56.5
ng DSWD
18:58.1
Region 3.
18:59.4
Ayan.
18:59.6
Belated happy birthday
19:00.5
sa'yo.
19:01.5
Tapos, si Norman Luther
19:02.5
Fabia.
19:03.5
Ayan.
19:03.9
Sabi niya,
19:04.3
pakigrit
19:04.8
ang ate niya.
19:07.0
Si ate Bing
19:07.7
Fabian Nunez.
19:09.1
Belated happy birthday
19:10.1
din.
19:10.8
November 26.
19:12.7
Ayan.
19:13.6
Maraming maraming
19:14.2
salamat sa'yo,
19:15.8
Norman.
19:16.3
Ayan.
19:17.0
Belated happy birthday
19:17.9
sa ate mo.
19:19.1
Tapos, si Gene Rodriguez.
19:21.4
Ayan.
19:22.3
Baka pwede pong
19:22.9
pakigrit
19:23.3
ang husband niya.
19:24.2
Ayan.
19:24.5
Binabati natin
19:25.4
yung asawa
19:26.1
ni Gene Rodriguez.
19:27.9
Si Mr. Rodel Rodriguez.
19:29.6
Birthday niya.
19:30.7
Belated.
19:31.7
November 24.
19:33.2
Ayan.
19:35.1
Tapos,
19:35.9
ito naman.
19:37.7
Binabati rin po
19:38.7
natin
19:39.2
si Nanay Perla Villanueva.
19:41.4
Happy happy birthday.
19:42.6
Again,
19:42.9
belated happy birthday
19:43.9
po sa inyo.
19:45.2
Ayan.
19:46.6
Ang,
19:47.0
nagpapabati po.
19:48.3
Bukod sa kami.
19:49.1
Bukod sa kami,
19:49.9
binabati namin kayo.
19:51.5
Nagpapabati rin po sa inyo
19:52.6
ang inyong anak
19:53.7
na si Amor Villanueva.
19:55.7
Ayan.
19:56.6
Nasa ano po siya
19:57.6
sa Oman.
20:00.3
Eto,
20:00.6
si Uro Delgado.
20:01.6
Ayan.
20:01.8
Nagpadala pa sa akin.
20:02.7
Meron siyang
20:03.0
Facts First t-shirt.
20:04.2
Taga na votas to.
20:05.1
Alam ko eh.
20:05.6
Ayan.
20:05.8
Tama.
20:06.3
Taga na votas.
20:07.3
Shout out
20:07.9
kay Russell of Navotas.
20:10.6
Ayan.
20:10.9
Team replay everyday.
20:12.7
Sobrang enjoy daw siya
20:13.7
sa Facts First Convos
20:14.9
with idol Ronald Llamas.
20:16.5
Ah,
20:16.7
ganun ba?
20:18.1
May mga nagtatanong.
20:19.2
May nag-comment sa akin.
20:20.0
Hindi daw kinain ni Ronald Llamas
20:21.4
yung kanyang,
20:21.9
ano,
20:22.4
instant pancit kanton.
20:23.8
Kinain niya for the record.
20:25.0
Kinain niya after.
20:26.1
E syempre,
20:26.6
kasi during the interview,
20:27.5
siya yung salita ng salita.
20:28.5
So,
20:28.7
hindi siya makakain.
20:29.9
Natatakot ako kasi
20:31.0
ang ganda-ganda
20:32.4
na sinasabi niya.
20:33.3
Pero,
20:33.7
punong-puno ng
20:34.5
bald egg yung bibig niya
20:35.9
nung time na yun.
20:36.6
Sabi ko,
20:37.9
sayang yung sinasabi niya.
20:39.3
Baka medyo
20:39.9
hindi maganda tingnan sa camera.
20:41.5
Pero,
20:41.6
nagawa naman ang paraan.
20:46.7
Papag-greet po sana ako
20:47.8
ng birthday niya.
20:50.5
Ayan,
20:50.8
belated happy birthday sa'yo,
20:52.2
John K.
20:53.0
Last November 24.
20:54.9
Ano siya?
20:55.4
Constant follower.
20:56.4
Wow naman.
20:57.3
Doon,
20:57.5
nasa team replay.
20:58.7
Always ako nakikinig sa podcast
21:00.3
while traveling from
21:01.4
Cotabato City
21:02.2
to North Cotabato.
21:04.4
Tapos,
21:04.5
papunta at pabalik ng work
21:05.7
while nasa bus.
21:06.6
Sana po mapagbigyan niyo ako.
21:08.0
Ayan,
21:08.4
talaga,
21:09.0
pasensya na sa'yo,
21:09.8
John K.
21:10.3
Talagang,
21:11.9
sorry.
21:13.1
Sama ng audio ko last Friday.
21:15.2
Tapos,
21:15.5
ito Friday ko paggagawin.
21:16.7
Tapos pala,
21:18.0
dito sa Tokyo,
21:19.1
nagkaroon po tayo ng
21:19.8
mini get-together.
21:20.9
This was organized by
21:22.2
Menchi Mizuno.
21:24.6
Nagkaroon tayo ng short,
21:26.3
minor,
21:27.2
parang small get-together
21:28.3
with
21:28.8
Facts for Supporters.
21:30.8
Yung sabihing fans,
21:31.6
masyado pong presumptuous yun.
21:33.0
Feeling artista.
21:34.6
Feeling cloud chaser yun.
21:35.8
May mga kilala tayong cloud chaser.
21:37.3
Nagigil-nagigil tayo sa ganun.
21:40.0
Sabihin natin mga kaibigan
21:41.4
na na-meet natin dito sa
21:42.9
sa Tokyo.
21:44.9
And maraming salamat po
21:46.3
kay Menchi.
21:46.7
Ang galing pala
21:48.1
magpinta ni Menchi.
21:49.1
Si Menchi Mizuno.
21:50.6
Siya po yung nag-organize.
21:52.5
And we had this
21:53.6
small get-together
21:54.6
last Sunday
21:55.8
dito po sa Tokyo.
21:57.8
Nakapost po sa Facebook
21:59.0
yung ilang mga pictures namin
22:00.5
doon sa event na yun.
22:02.9
Gusto ko lang pong batiin
22:04.0
yung mga nakilala natin doon,
22:05.6
yung mga nakasama natin.
22:06.7
Grabe, nakakataba po
22:07.6
ng puso really.
22:08.4
Sobra po.
22:08.8
Sobra.
22:09.2
Sobra.
22:09.9
Sobra.
22:10.7
I would have wanted to spend
22:11.9
more time with you.
22:13.0
E kaso,
22:13.4
na-late po ako nandating.
22:14.2
Hindi po dahil
22:14.8
nagpapa-importante.
22:16.7
Kasi naglakad po ako
22:18.6
nandoon the whole day.
22:20.0
Karga-karga yung bata.
22:20.9
Alam nyo po,
22:21.3
paano kita-travel
22:21.9
na may bata.
22:23.0
Hindi nasusunod yung schedule eh.
22:24.6
So,
22:25.6
na-late din po ako doon
22:27.1
sa get-together namin.
22:29.8
Yan.
22:30.1
I'd like to greet
22:30.8
sila po.
22:32.2
Sila po.
22:32.8
Sina Kathy Sanada,
22:34.7
Ina De La Cruz,
22:36.3
Erlinda Onowe,
22:38.5
yung organizer,
22:39.3
si Menchi Mizuno,
22:40.9
si Jocelyn Hasumi,
22:42.5
si Berdin Marciano,
22:44.9
si Bermundo Dexter,
22:46.7
si June Collado,
22:49.2
si Tonette Collado,
22:50.6
si Miss Cresseline.
22:52.2
Hindi nyo na binanggit
22:53.0
yung apelido niya, no?
22:54.4
Although...
22:54.9
Oo nga, no?
22:55.7
Si Miss Cresseline.
22:57.9
Yan.
22:58.4
Tapos, si Rosanna Narumi,
23:00.2
si Elizabeth Llorin.
23:01.8
Mga familiar names to, no?
23:03.9
Kasi nung una,
23:05.0
nakikita ko lang sila sa,
23:06.1
sa yung mga nagpo-post,
23:07.4
nagko-comment,
23:08.1
diba, nagme-message.
23:09.1
And then, finally,
23:10.3
nakita ko na yung, ano,
23:11.3
faces behind the names.
23:13.9
Si LV Honda.
23:14.8
Yan.
23:15.6
Si Bernard Goy,
23:16.7
si Alice Napoles,
23:19.3
si Maria Suchia,
23:22.3
si Harold Lu.
23:23.3
Kaibigan pala to ni, ano,
23:24.9
ni Jeff Canoy.
23:26.7
Nakahatak ni Menchie, eh.
23:27.9
Mui-bisita na sa Tokyo.
23:29.9
Nakahatak, eh.
23:30.4
Mukhang na-record ni Menchie
23:31.5
na umatendong Get Together, eh.
23:33.0
Okay naman.
23:33.8
Kala ko nakasimangot, eh.
23:34.9
Dahil nalita ko, eh.
23:36.1
Pero, mabait.
23:36.6
Mabait si Harold, no?
23:38.2
Athenista rin.
23:39.0
Kaklasi ni Jeff Canoy.
23:41.0
Si Rafa Andres,
23:42.3
nag-aaral dito sa Japan.
23:43.9
Very young.
23:44.4
Very promising.
23:45.7
And then,
23:46.0
he also,
23:46.7
he also attended that.
23:48.4
Tapos,
23:48.8
yung mag-asawang
23:49.7
si Vincent Ling
23:50.7
tsaka si Sheila May Ling.
23:52.9
Ayan.
23:54.0
Talagang nag-reach out sa akin
23:55.0
si Vincent
23:55.5
before
23:56.3
we arrived here in Tokyo.
23:59.3
Sabi ko,
23:59.8
may nag-o-organize
24:00.5
ng Get Together.
24:01.4
So,
24:01.9
kininay ko sila ni, ano,
24:03.0
ni Menchie.
24:04.2
Yan, buti nakarating si Vincent.
24:05.7
Napaka, ano,
24:06.3
very humble guy.
24:08.1
Sila ng kanyang asawa,
24:09.3
si Sheila May Ling.
24:11.1
Ano sila, yung
24:12.1
nagtuturo ng English
24:13.5
dito sa Tokyo.
24:14.7
Nakakataba ng puso yung gano'n, no?
24:16.0
Talagang,
24:16.5
nagustuhan ko yung
24:18.8
Get Together na yun
24:19.6
kasi
24:20.0
ramdam mo yung mga
24:22.0
Pilipino rito na
24:23.1
talagang
24:23.6
hindi nababawasan
24:25.4
nandun yung pagmamahal
24:26.3
sa bansa.
24:26.9
They're very, very concerned about
24:28.1
the issues in the Philippines.
24:29.9
They're very, very concerned
24:30.8
about what's happening
24:31.6
in the country.
24:34.2
Alam nila na, ano, eh,
24:35.6
hindi pwedeng pabayaan
24:36.8
yung bansa natin.
24:38.1
Especially in the hands of
24:39.4
unworthy politicians.
24:42.1
Yun na lang,
24:42.5
to be,
24:42.9
to be polite about it.
24:45.0
Although, maganda yung conversation,
24:46.5
na, namin dun, eh,
24:47.5
kasi,
24:48.5
ano ko, eh,
24:49.3
mas naging,
24:51.3
ah,
24:51.8
tawad dito,
24:52.3
mas naging prangka ako
24:53.1
sa mga discussions.
24:54.5
Kung sa tingin nyo,
24:55.1
prangka na tayo dito sa,
24:56.3
sa Facts First.
24:57.1
Iba pa rin
24:57.6
pag face-to-face, eh.
24:58.6
Diba?
24:59.4
So, mas,
25:00.4
mas nagkakakilala na.
25:02.2
Okay.
25:02.9
So, yun.
25:03.5
Anyway,
25:04.5
ah,
25:05.1
again, pasensya na po kayo, no?
25:06.4
Dahil hindi po tayo nakapag-programa
25:07.9
kahapon, eh,
25:09.3
pero,
25:10.6
tuloy-tuloy pa rin po tayo dito
25:11.8
sa Facts First.
25:13.0
And from the bottom of my heart,
25:14.1
maraming maraming salamat po,
25:15.5
talaga,
25:16.0
sa pag-suporta nyo po.
25:17.5
Kahit saan man tayo,
25:18.5
especially,
25:19.0
pag lumalabas tayo ng bansa,
25:20.2
may mga nagme-message sa akin
25:21.9
na gusto makapag-meet.
25:23.3
Ayun.
25:24.1
Minsan lang, siyempre,
25:25.5
baka sabihin nung iba,
25:26.6
Uy, saplado,
25:27.3
hindi agad sumasagot.
25:28.1
Ano sinahiya ako?
25:29.1
Kasi,
25:30.0
hindi mo na ko sanay ng ganun.
25:31.1
Hindi naman tayong parang mga artista na,
25:33.1
parang,
25:34.3
uy,
25:34.7
diba,
25:34.9
yung may mga nakikipag-meet.
25:36.5
O kaya,
25:36.8
may mga failing celebrity na,
25:39.1
yung mag-reach out,
25:40.1
tapos, automatic talon agad, diba?
25:41.8
Hindi naman tayo ganun.
25:43.2
So, mararamdaman nyo naman kung
25:44.6
binib-B.S. ko kayo o hindi.
25:46.5
Talaga, nahihiya lang ako,
25:47.5
sa totoo lang.
25:49.0
And,
25:50.1
pero,
25:50.7
more than that,
25:51.4
beyond that,
25:52.5
I'm really happy na
25:54.6
nakakapag-connect tayo with fellow Filipinos
25:57.8
abroad,
25:58.6
hindi lang po sa Pilipinas.
25:59.9
So,
26:01.5
yung mga susunod na, ano,
26:02.7
travels natin sa ibang bansa,
26:04.1
sana,
26:04.4
we would still
26:05.8
get opportunities to
26:08.1
to meet up.
26:09.2
Ayun.
26:09.8
Then, sige.
26:10.9
Kita-kita po tayo
26:12.0
sa susunod na episode natin dito
26:13.4
sa Facts First.
26:14.2
Again, maraming salamat po.
26:15.4
Ako po si Christian Esguerra.
26:39.8
Ako po si
26:40.4
Christian Esguerra.
26:41.4
Ako po si Christian Esguerra.
26:42.9
Ako po si Christian Esguerra.