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00:00.0
Is that because you have killed some hostages?
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I'm really interested in what you have to say about it.
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Mga sangkay, isa pong matapang na reporter
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ang humarap sa isang leader ng Hamas
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at halos mautal-utal po itong leader ng Hamas
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nung irealtok po siya sa isang katanungan
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ng isang matapang na reporter sa International.
00:20.7
The question there, when will this war end?
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Joining me live now is the Hamas head of international relations, Bassem Naim.
00:36.1
You're in Doha, Bassem, as I understand it, for hostage negotiations.
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So, what are the terms of this ceasefire?
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We are not talking about a ceasefire.
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We are talking about a humanitarian pause for four days.
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And it is a more technical difference.
00:52.9
It is not a full comprehensive ceasefire.
00:57.0
Most of the artilleries, most of the tanks are still inside the city,
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inside the hospitals, in the street.
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But it is a stop of firing for humanitarian reasons
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so that people can move freely,
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can search for their beloved people if they are still alive or not.
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They can buy something.
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The crossings will be open for the four days to get some of the humanitarian aids from outside into Gaza Strip.
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Part of this humanitarian aid will be for the northern part of Gaza.
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And this is for the first time since 48 days where the northern part of Gaza was totally cut from the outside world.
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No food, no fuel, no electricity, no communications, no water.
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And the other part is for the southern part.
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We hope that during this time that we can at least,
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help the people on the ground to get something to be able to survive.
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Will you be using this time to recalibrate and get more weapons to fire into Israel?
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I think in the presence of hundreds of tanks inside Gaza,
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in the presence of this mass destruction of 13,000 people killed,
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it is maybe unjust, if not unfair, to talk about this imbalanced war
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between people who are under occupation for 75 years
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and defending themselves.
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And those who are occupying the land, occupying the people, suffocating them for 17 years.
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And now they are claiming to be the victims of the people who are defending themselves.
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Let's get how many hostages will you release and when?
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I think based on the deal between the two parties,
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the Israelis are going to release 150 of our children and women
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who are now some of them for years in Israeli jails.
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In exchange, around 50 women and children will be released from the Palestinian side.
02:57.7
Yes. How many hostages are you holding?
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How many Israeli hostages are you holding?
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How many will be released at 4 p.m. today?
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Yes. We are talking about two categories.
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We are talking about the soldiers and the civilians or foreigners or dual citizenship.
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Regarding the soldiers,
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Al-Qassam Brigade talked about,
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about around 200.
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About the other category which is the civilians and I mean women, children, elderly and foreigners,
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we are talking about around 50 to 60.
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But now, no one can exactly give a number because
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Because of the heavy bombardment and the presence of these captured people in different areas with different groups,
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it's extremely difficult now to give exact numbers or figures.
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We want to know more about the captured hostages.
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Is that because you have killed some hostages that have been in Gaza over the last 48 days?
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How? From where you get this information?
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It's a question, Bassam.
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No, you cannot raise such question because it is impossible to accuse us while we are bombarded.
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And we have clearly said at least 60 of the hostages were killed with our families
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and still under the rubble of our houses.
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Because of Israeli shelling and bombardment, how can we kill someone who we are considering as a guest or as a hostages?
04:29.8
You consider those hostages as guests? Is that how they're treated?
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By the way, from the first day of the confrontation, we have said we are ready to release all the civilians, including the foreigners.
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But we need security conditions so that it is safe to release them.
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But Israel, unfortunately, has always rejected this offer and has said we will continue bombarding Gaza and killing children and women until we get our prisoners released by force.
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Sure, but missiles have still been fired into Israel from Gaza over the last couple of weeks. Do you want this war to end?
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I think Palestinians are under occupation for 75 years and Israeli tanks are shelling our people unilaterally.
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We have been in the daily business for 75 years. We are under siege, suffocating siege for 17 years.
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Our children are dying because of hunger, malnutrition for decades and therefore we are occupied people.
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Israel is occupying power. If they are not happy with our business beside them, they can leave us and leave us alone.
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And therefore it is an act of defense. But shelling, having tanks inside of hospitals, killing children, women, medical workers.
05:45.0
Let me ask you about the hospitals better.
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I've seen the pictures, the horrific pictures of babies being killed.
05:52.0
But Hamas has built tunnels and stored weapons under the biggest hospitals in Gaza under the rules, international rules, that makes them a target in warfare.
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Isn't it Hamas putting these innocents at risk?
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Honored lady, I am very surprised that you are talking about things the Israelis themselves were not able to prove.
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We have this propaganda.
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I'm really interested in what you have to say about this.
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But we have seen vision provided by Israel.
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We have seen vision provided by Israel of tunnels under our Shifa hospital.
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Are you saying that's not true?
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I'm sorry. You are misled or misinformed because you cannot give me any proof.
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Because the Israelis themselves, they were not able to prove any of these allegations.
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They have brought, they have said about the Shifa hospital.
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As a head or as a center of command and control.
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And they found nothing.
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They found some bottles of water.
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They found some CDs.
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Do you believe that a command center of Hamas will be directed by a Kalashnikov in the MRI center?
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MRI center, you cannot have a ring in your hand to be inside the room.
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Again, the Israelis have failed to prove all.
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These allegations.
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The same thing when they have said the beheading of babies.
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It was proven false.
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The raping of women.
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It was proven false.
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Burning of civilians.
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And then the Israeli newspaper have proven that it was Israeli jets who have killed and burned all these citizens.
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I think you have to read again what the Israeli media talking about their actions or their attacks against their own people in the southern part of Palestine.
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Well, there's a Western Journal.
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I said I've gone into Gaza with the IDF and they have seen these tunnels, these weapons, these storage of musicians with their own eyes.
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So I don't know what other proof we can get.
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But look, Hamas is accused of using Palestinian people as human shields.
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So can I ask you, why do you use money to build tunnels, store musicians, munitions instead of...
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Do you believe when I'm living...
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No, I am a Hamas leader.
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When I live with my family...
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In my house, in my land, is this using my family as a human shield?
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Because they are considering me as a legitimate target.
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Is this a human shield having my children, my wife, my brothers, my sisters, my extended family in my house, in my land?
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Is this a human shield?
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Who is using a human shield?
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Who is building settlements and using his own people in settlements inside Tel Aviv as a human shield?
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And all these military compounds in the settlements, in the kibbutz, around...
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Let me ask you this, if I may, let me ask you this.
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When Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, you killed 1,400 people, innocent people, including babies, whole families.
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How did you expect Israel to react?
09:06.0
Sorry again, because you are, unfortunately, you are misinformed.
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They have said at the beginning it was 1,400 civilian killed.
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Then the Israelis themselves said, no.
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It was not 14,000, 1,400.
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It is 1,200 because 200 of them have been proven to be Palestinians.
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Do you believe that we will kill our people inside Israel?
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But Haaretz, two weeks ago, have proven that all these people, the 1,400 people, including 200 Palestinians,
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I mean our own people, they were killed by Israeli jets, blindly attacking the musical festival.
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This is the Haaretz.
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So you're saying...
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So you're saying Israeli jets killed these young people at the music festival.
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Is that what you're alleging here?
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This is why Haaretz said it.
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There was no bombings at the music festival.
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This is the Israeli media.
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I'm sorry, Basim.
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That is completely untrue.
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So you think Israeli jets killed innocent Israelis at a music festival?
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Israel is believing, I mean the IDF is believing the so-called Hannibal Doctrine.
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Hannibal Doctrine means, in the IDF, if any Israeli is arrested or captured or something,
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the IDF gives themselves the right to attack the captured one and the capturer in the same scene.
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And this has been done many times.
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For example, in 2014, one Israeli soldier was captured and they have killed him with 300 other Palestinians.
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I refer to you, I refer you to Israeli media outlets who are talking about all the civilians who have been killed by the Israelis.
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We're getting deep into conspiracy theory and territory.
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Basim, thank you for your time live from Doha.
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We'll leave it there.
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Thank you very much.
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That's Hamas spokesperson.
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So you heard those claims for yourself at the end of that interview.
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We are really getting into the realm.
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These claims are ridiculous.
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So parang pong binuhusan ng isang malamig na tubig itong isa sa mga leader ng Hamas.
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Talagang nariltok po siya dito at halos hindi niya po masagot ng derecho ang katanungan.
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Talagang nga namang mapapasaludo ka sa tapang ng isang reporter at babae pa naman.
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Matapang na itinanong ang katotohanan tungkol sa ginagawa nitong Hamas.
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Matapang na itinanong ang katotohanan.
