01:14.5
Tapos bahala na pag-atasong. Kung magpatayan tayo ng gera patani, okay lang. At least magawa natin yung kailangan natin gawin ngayon.
01:21.4
So Ronald, how do you see that? Pwedeng sakyan si BBM? Pwede i-instrumentalize? Pwede i-weaponize si BBM para durugin ang mga digong? I mean, what's going on here?
01:31.5
Well, sa akin, hindi usapin ng pagsakay. Mas nitpicking. Alibawa, foreign policy, supportahan mo.
01:41.5
Yung paglayo sa tokhang, sa pag-assert ng human rights, supportahan mo.
01:51.4
Sabi mo kasing sasakyan mo, medyo mas comprehensive yan eh. Mahirap gawin yan sa economy.
01:59.9
Mahirap gawin yan sa isang economy na cartelized at walang gagawin yung gobyerno para wasaki ng mga cartels.
02:09.1
Walang gagawin yung gobyerno dito sa mga new cronies. Walang gagawin yung gobyerno para sa restructuring ng economy.
02:17.9
Hindi ko nakikita na mangyayari yan in the next four years.
02:21.4
Four or five years.
02:22.8
So, sa akin, mas nitpicking rather than sakyan.
02:28.3
Pag sinakyan mo kasi, magkakaroon ka even ng tactical alliance sa electoral.
02:34.4
Yun yung magiging kwan mo.
02:35.9
Kiss of death. Kiss of death yan.
02:38.4
Hindi naman, pero mawawala yung substantial base mo na historically ayaw talaga sa Marcos.
02:48.0
So, yung iba kasi, ang framework ng ibang mga pinag-aaral.
02:51.4
A lesser evil is still evil.
02:55.4
Yun yung kwan nila.
02:56.5
Kaya, mag-nitpicking sila.
02:59.8
Mag-cherrypicking pala. Cherrypicking.
03:02.1
Pipili sila ng mga kwan.
03:03.8
With the possibility na meron silang banatan.
03:08.5
Meron din akong narinig na medyo pink.
03:11.3
Ito yung sabi sa akin. Interesting yung phraseology.
03:14.2
Sanay na tayo sa elite democracy.
03:16.9
Pero ngayon lang tayo nakakita ng criminal against humanity.
03:21.4
So, mas madali na, it's easier to put up with the Marcoses.
03:27.4
Kasi ibang level yung Duterte na talagang mass murderer.
03:32.2
As opposed to elite democracy.
03:33.5
Ano ito? Evil versus incompetent.
03:36.4
No, no. I mean, my point guys is, I think the term there is a la carte.
03:40.5
A la carte cooperation. I think that's what Ronald is meaning.
03:43.3
Like, pipili tayo dito. Pipili tayo dyan ng points of collaboration and engagement.
03:48.9
But, definitely rule out a kind of...
03:51.4
Tactical alliance, no? Kasi that could come back to haunt you.
03:54.3
Mahirap yung official.
03:56.0
Limawa, oh, Laila, Trillanes, Riza.
04:01.4
Malinaw yung direction of the main blow, no?
04:04.3
Ang direction of the main blow sa mga Duterte, diba?
04:08.0
Pero hindi sila nakikipag-coalition sa Marcoses, diba?
04:13.0
Kaya si Trillanes?
04:14.1
May maintain nila yung kwano? Hindi, except Trillanes.
04:16.4
E paano ko ma-appoint si Trillanes?
04:18.4
Except Trillanes.
04:19.4
Except Trillanes.
04:20.3
Paano si Trillanes naman?
04:21.3
Hindi naman anti-Marcos, eh. To start with, eh.
04:24.5
Anti-China, yun, no?
04:25.7
Yung father niya ay Marcos, eh.
04:27.9
So, hindi ako magugulat kay Trillanes.
04:31.1
Pero, yung, kumbaga, as a movement, as an organization, no?
04:36.9
Okay lang sa kanila na mag-cherry-picking at bumanat sa main enemy,
04:42.1
pero hindi mag-coalition officially with the Marcoses.
04:46.7
I-maintain pa rin nila yung flank, lalo na ngayon na nahati yung unit team.
04:51.3
Na maging third pole.
04:54.0
Na maging third pole.
04:55.6
Pero gano'ng kaingay itong third flank?
04:58.8
How noisy should this third flank be during this period of transition?
05:03.5
How assertive should it be?
05:04.4
Noisy against the main enemy, against the direction of the main blue,
05:09.1
against the Duterte, against the Arroyo, no?
05:12.0
Ganon yung noisy.
05:13.5
Pero, nakikriticize din sa Maharlika.
05:16.7
Nakikriticize din sa cartels, no?
05:19.6
Naksikriticize din sa cronies, no?
05:22.5
Nakikriticize din sa yung ginagawa halimbawa ngayon sa NRG
05:27.4
na talagang almost total regulatory capture ng isang pamilya, di ba?
05:33.5
Na naging presidente, di ba?
05:36.2
So, ibig sabihin, hindi ka pwedeng tumahimik diyan.
05:41.4
At dahil hindi ka pwedeng tumahimik, hindi ka pwedeng magkaroon ng official coalition.
05:45.8
Babalat at babalat ka, no?
05:49.2
So, saan yung direction of the main blue?
05:51.3
Yung nagtetreten sa constitutional order.
05:53.8
Yung gustong ibalik yung impunity, no?
05:58.0
So, kailangan, at least sa leadership ng pinggui, dapat hindi sila makonfuse.
06:04.4
Panong may kausap din kasi ako mga leaders, na ang tingin nila ay
06:08.5
mas may pagkiling kami sa mga Duterte
06:12.4
dahil mahirap talaga ipagsama ang Aquino at saka Marcos Brand.
06:18.6
So, yun yung kuwa, no?
06:20.2
So, yun yung kuwa.
06:20.9
That means, hindi nag-obligo.
06:22.1
Ronald, Ronald, may maganyan pa rin?
06:26.2
Parang ano to, yung mga 1960s na project na layo sa US.
06:30.9
Nagulat ako dahil ang hirap ipagsama ng Aquino at saka Marcos.
06:35.7
Yung brand, ha? Yung brand.
06:38.1
So, yun yung isa.
06:39.5
Kalawa, meron namang ang tingin.
06:41.8
Papamura ka naman dito, Ronald.
06:43.1
Meron namang mga tingin na okay na yung Marcos for now.
06:48.6
Tulungan natin yan laban sa mga ito.
06:53.9
Pero, ang tingin ko, yung bulto pa rin ay
06:57.4
habang bumabanat dito sa mga main enemy,
07:02.2
main recidivist elements,
07:05.0
main reactionary elements,
07:07.0
ay hindi pa rin sila papasok sa isang
07:10.8
even a critical collaboration formality with the Marcoses.
07:16.6
Yung karamihan, ha?
07:18.6
Yun nga, I actually use the word a la carte cooperation
07:21.4
because I think the critical collaboration, medyo pejorative na rin siya ngayon.
07:27.4
Pero, ang tanong ko, gusto ko balik na rin.
07:29.3
Yung mga Marcos naman, ano naman ang pagtingin nila ngayon sa mga pink?
07:37.5
That's what they bring out the pink?
07:38.9
Yeah, they're even open to appointing more.
07:42.0
More yellows and more pink.
07:45.1
Actually, may mga ilan na.
07:46.6
Pero, mas open sila.
07:48.1
Lalo na pag nag-escalate itong away with the Duterte.
07:52.5
Ang problema kasi ng mga Marcoses...
07:53.8
Wala silang pool.
07:55.0
Wala silang bench.
07:55.9
Yung kanilang pool,
07:57.1
dahil kapatagal nila wala sa kapangyarihan,
08:01.3
At ikalawa, yung mas recent,
08:04.3
aside from the Duterte,
08:08.8
Ibig sabihin, pwede silang kumuha ron.
08:10.7
Hindi lang for NEDA, hindi lang for housing.
08:13.8
More political positions.
08:16.6
Dahil, tingin ko,
08:18.1
parang ng Cabinet Rebump, sooner or later.
08:21.2
At yung pagkukuhala nila ng ilalagay dyan,
08:24.3
ay hindi ganun ka-deep.
08:26.7
Itong Cabinet Rebump na to, Ronald,
08:29.0
anong bahagi ng Cabinet?
08:31.2
Gayun pinag-usapan natin yung ekonomiya.
08:33.5
Sa tingin mo, ekonomiya magpapalit yan.
08:35.2
Like finance, DTI level?
08:36.8
Yung mga vulnerable dyan, finance,
08:48.1
Yeah, I think DFA could be open.
08:56.1
D-O-T-R bakit? Okay naman si Bautista, hindi ba?
08:58.1
Well, may mga nagpupush na
09:02.1
Naayusin ang airport,
09:04.1
naayusin ang infrastructure.
09:08.1
e, malaking bahagi ng mga commitments ni BBMs abroad,
09:12.1
yung 80-90 billion,
09:14.1
e, magbabata yan sa comparative advantage.
09:16.1
How about si Lutilia?
09:18.1
How about si Lutilia?
09:20.1
Hindi. Very strong yan.
09:22.1
Because of exactly yung sinasabi kong regulatory capture.
09:24.1
Regulatory capture. Okay, okay.
09:26.1
Dahil hindi lang DOE,
09:28.1
hindi lang NEA, hindi lang ERC, hindi lang PSAM,
09:32.1
the whole energy,
09:34.1
ay kontrolado ng isang pamilya.
09:40.1
I wanna give a scenario here.
09:42.1
So, I keep on talking about it.
09:44.1
Let's say Maharlika Sovereign Fund
09:46.1
issue goes really wrong.
09:48.1
Let's say, not level of Najib
09:52.1
Najib version. Clearly, this will be
09:54.1
weaponized by pro-China elements.
09:56.1
This will be weaponized. The reason I'm
09:58.1
asking is that I have friends based in the other
10:00.1
side who are suddenly concerned about
10:02.1
corruption and good governance in the Philippines.
10:04.1
Oh, Marcos is such a corrupt guy.
10:06.1
What deals is he cutting with Biden?
10:08.1
It's like, oh wow, now suddenly you're concerned
10:12.1
Oh, this Akinos and Corazon.
10:14.1
Akinos, horrible people. We love
10:16.1
Marcos. So, now I can see
10:18.1
what's gonna happen, right? If something bad
10:20.1
happens on the corruption front or a scandal,
10:22.1
the pro-China people will
10:24.1
ironically weaponize it.
10:26.1
And Digong is already talking about, you know, remember
10:28.1
whiff of corruption, and now he's talking about rotten
10:30.1
Congress. So, saan tatayang
10:32.1
opposition dito? Because clearly,
10:34.1
if BBM goes down with the Maharlika
10:36.1
or he gets severely weakened by that,
10:38.1
I don't think the winners of that
10:40.1
are necessarily the progressive opposition.
10:42.1
It's the pro-China, the Duterte
10:44.1
people, right? I mean, I'll be just brutally honest,
10:46.1
I'll throw you the scenario because
10:48.1
this is not impossible, right? This scenario
10:50.1
is not totally impossible. I'm not talking about
10:52.1
big 1MDB but semi-scandal
10:54.1
because FDI is down,
10:56.1
BSP revenues are under pressure,
10:58.1
land bank and all their questions about
11:00.1
their liabilities and
11:02.1
liquidity. And we don't know
11:04.1
what's gonna happen with the food inflation and the economy
11:06.1
slowdown. So, if you're
11:08.1
BBM, you have vulnerabilities,
11:10.1
you know, points that could be squeezed
11:12.1
by the pro-China or Duterte
11:16.1
Richard, kung indicative yung
11:18.1
diaryo mo, yung inquiry,
11:26.1
farmally, banatan yung
11:28.1
corruption ng previous government.
11:30.1
Hindi ako magugulat na yan
11:32.1
yung mga dominant narrative
11:34.1
para sa mga pink and yellow.
11:36.1
Pipitigin pa rin nila
11:38.1
itong mga problema sa food
11:44.1
pipitigin pa rin nila itong Maharlika,
11:48.1
ang ire-revive is
11:50.1
the corruption ng previous government.
11:52.1
At nakita ko na yan sa editorial nyo
11:56.1
Tingin ko, isa yan sa possible
12:00.1
ng direction. Ano pa apart from
12:02.1
farmally, Ronald? Ano pa
12:04.1
apart from farmally ang linalabas?
12:08.1
there's farmally, what else?
12:14.1
yung buong COVID,
12:16.1
development of health,
12:22.1
bibili sila ng expired medicines,
12:32.1
nabili na. Yung mismong
12:36.1
binili ng Indonesia for 600 pesos,
12:38.1
binili natin for 3,500 pesos.
12:40.1
Yung Chinese vaccine.
12:46.1
We bought them in their millions.
12:48.1
Pero ang price niyan sa
12:50.1
Indonesia is just 600 pesos.
12:52.1
So, yan yung mga tip of the iceberg.
12:54.1
Sa ilalim niyan, marami.
12:56.1
Actually, alam mo, nagbulat ako, Ronald.
13:00.1
Pinagpuntaan nito ng mga 2020.
13:04.1
What abaya was to
13:10.1
Yung pinakamuhihan mo
13:12.1
na cabinet secretary,
13:14.1
kailangang ibalik si Duke
13:18.1
Tsaka pata ni Arroyo yan, diba?
13:24.1
So, two birds with one stone.
13:28.1
sinasabihin ko kanina.
13:32.1
We were talking about
13:34.1
yung mga pwedeng scandal.
13:36.1
That's a very good point, Ronald.
13:38.1
Ang sinasabi ko lang, Richard.
13:40.1
That's the second very good point you made tonight.
13:42.1
Actually, oo nga. That's a good angle.
13:44.1
Mismo ang China kasi,
13:46.1
kaya hindi rin sila bumuhos,
13:48.1
hindi naman entirely fault nila.
13:52.1
yung kausap nila, puro crap eh.
13:54.1
Nakita nila yung kausap nila,
13:56.1
lulokohin sila eh. Eh sa China,
13:58.1
pag pumasok ka sa ganyang
14:00.1
arrangement, hindi ka lang
14:04.1
You will disappear.
14:06.1
I don't know why.
14:10.1
yung mga Chinese investors
14:12.1
dito nung na-meet nila yung mga yan.
14:14.1
Yung hindi nag-iingat,
14:16.1
meron kang ngayong dito.
14:18.1
Meron kang Parmalee.
14:20.1
Meron kang Michael Yang.
14:22.1
Meron kang ganito.
14:24.1
Yung mga hindi nag-iingat.
14:26.1
Pero yung iba nag-iingat eh.
14:28.1
Dahil nakita nila, hingi ng hingi.
14:30.1
Hingi ng hingi. Wala namang
14:34.1
Nag-offer sila ng
14:36.1
kalaking tulong sa agriculture.
14:38.1
Para ma-modernize yan.
14:42.1
etc. At par, at least
14:44.1
kalahati ng level ng
14:48.1
a game changer na. Dahil
14:50.1
sobrang liit ng ating
14:52.1
harvest per hectare.
14:54.1
Pero nakita nila,
14:58.1
yung mga Pilipino.
15:00.1
Hindi interesado na i-develop
15:02.1
long term. Parang Chinese kasi long term
15:04.1
thinkers eh. Long term strategies eh.
15:06.1
Ang mga Pilipino, paano ba
15:10.1
3 years? Dahil may election
15:12.1
every 3 years eh.
15:14.1
So nakita nila yan. Kinabahan sila.
15:16.1
Kaya hindi mo rin sila totally
15:18.1
masisi. Bakit yung
15:20.1
3 fast-train project hindi natuloy?
15:22.1
Bakit yung 500 hectare industrial
15:24.1
estate supply hindi natuloy?
15:26.1
Etc. Etc. Bakit yung
15:28.1
waste management proposal nila hindi natuloy?
15:30.1
Dahil yung mga kausap nila,
15:32.1
hindi ko nababanggitin
15:34.1
kung sino yung mga
15:36.1
kausap nila. Pero medyo
15:38.1
privy ako eh. Doon sa
15:40.1
pang-aabuso, doon sa
15:42.1
pag-setup. What do you mean
15:44.1
you're privy? Like, were you in
15:46.1
the decision room?
15:48.1
Doon sa ako, may mga leasing
15:50.1
post ako eh. O itong presyo
15:52.1
ng ganitong lupa, biglang
15:56.1
yung lease. Halimbawa,
15:58.1
yung lease for 50 years,
16:00.1
hinihingi nila ngayon lahat ba?
16:02.1
Yung leasing na hindi.
16:04.1
Bakit? Dahil hindi naman sila tatagal
16:06.1
sa gobyerno eh. Doon sa mga
16:08.1
ganun ba? O yung interest rates,
16:12.1
Ay, hindi pala interest rates.
16:22.1
Taasan yung renta.
16:24.1
Marami dyan renta eh.
16:28.1
Kaya pagkausap ko rin yung mga Chinese,
16:30.1
nagreklamo rin sila.
16:32.1
Ang pampalang naman,
16:36.1
Sinuportahan nyo kasi yung mga yan.
16:38.1
O di, napahama kayo.
16:42.1
talagang problema ngayon.
16:44.1
If you talk about corruption,
16:46.1
you can hit in so many directions.
16:48.1
There's so many skeletons in the closet.
16:50.1
And what Ronald is saying,
16:52.1
one way out of this predicament is
16:54.1
you're against corruption, but maybe
16:56.1
you want to focus on what happened
16:58.1
3 years ago or 2 years ago,
17:02.1
There's a reference.
17:04.1
In the same way, you can talk about human rights violations
17:06.1
during martial law.
17:08.1
You can talk about tens of thousands of EJKs
17:10.1
just 2 to 3 years ago.
17:12.1
We can make even a philosophical argument
17:14.1
of not only size but also immediacy
17:16.1
is something that we can look at.
17:18.1
Ikaw Lele, how do you see a way out of this
17:20.1
given how obsessed with corruption are
17:24.1
Yung problema kasi sa Maharlika, tama ka,
17:26.1
vulnerability siya. Hindi dahil malaki siya.
17:28.1
Maharlika is actually quite small.
17:30.1
Baby scandal. Kaya nga sabi ko, baby na.
17:32.1
In the greater scheme of things.
17:34.1
And I don't think pwede mag-tank
17:38.1
Kung kunwari, gumuho yung Maharlika,
17:40.1
it's too small to tank the economy.
17:42.1
What it is, is a major corruption crisis.
17:44.1
It's a headline. It's a big headline.
17:48.1
Lahat naman naman yung mga corruption crisis na,
17:50.1
except siguro yung corruption talaga
17:52.1
noong 1980s na talagang
17:54.1
yung levels of corruption that could really
17:56.1
really fan the flames of an economic crisis.
17:58.1
Yung mga big corruption scandals naman natin,
18:00.1
hindi naman guguho yung ekonomiya dahil sa corruption.
18:02.1
Noong kay ERAP, for example,
18:04.1
yung wetting scandal.
18:06.1
Hindi naman guguho yung ekonomiya mo dahil
18:08.1
may wetting scandal si ERAP. Hindi rin naman
18:10.1
guguho yung ekonomiya mo dahil mayroong
18:12.1
Maharlika scandal. Pero headline siya
18:14.1
dahil nakakainis because it shows
18:16.1
impunity and it shows abuse
18:18.1
of power. And you know,
18:20.1
in legalistic terms,
18:24.1
public trust. Pag sinabi mong
18:26.1
impeachable offense, betrayal of public trust,
18:28.1
nakakainis siya. Kaya ito yung
18:30.1
pwedeng lamunin ng oposisyon at gamitin
18:32.1
against you. So I think,
18:34.1
babalik ako, ang Philippine
18:36.1
economy ever since, I would
18:38.1
say, ever since after the Asian financial
18:40.1
crisis in 1992, growth
18:42.1
trajectory yan. At yun nga, kahit
18:44.1
unggoy ang ilagay mo sa malakanyang, if you
18:46.1
zoom out 20 years, if you zoom out 30 years,
18:48.1
your investments are actually safe
18:50.1
in the Philippines. Hindi yun yung punto
18:54.1
headline natin, hindi long term mag-isip,
18:56.1
nag-zoom in yan. Nag-zoom in yan
18:58.1
dun sa latest scandal, nag-zoom
19:00.1
in yan dun sa latest inflation figures,
19:02.1
nag-zoom in yan dun sa latest
19:06.1
Kaya kahit sabi mo yung long term growth
19:08.1
trajectory, ang inis ng mga Pilipino
19:10.1
ay short term at ito lagi yung vulnerability
19:12.1
ng mga politiko natin.
19:16.1
I agree with Leloy
19:20.1
enough to catalyze
19:24.1
It's not enough. Unless may mga
19:26.1
iba pa siya mga kadikit ng mga issues
19:30.1
Pero for now ay hindi siya
19:34.1
mag-create, hindi siya
19:36.1
mag-catalyze ng crisis.
19:38.1
Nag-agree ako ron.
19:42.1
Tsaka yung region
19:46.1
So kahit pa paano madadala tayo ng region
19:56.1
ako mas political eh.
19:58.1
Alimbawa, kung sakaling magkaroon
20:02.1
Yung ERAP moment kasi hindi namang
20:04.1
bagsak yung ekonomiya nun eh.
20:10.1
Tapos yung popularity ng ERAP, mataas eh.
20:12.1
Mataas pa nun eh.
20:14.1
Hindi naman siya unpopular eh.
20:16.1
Mataas pa siya nun eh. Nung bumagsak siya.
20:18.1
Mataas siya kaya.
20:20.1
Mataas nga. Lagi pinapahalala ni Ronald Toa.
20:22.1
Pero nakita ka nila.
20:24.1
Pinapahalala si ERAP.
20:26.1
Si Ronnie, lagi pinapahalala yan.
20:28.1
Pero even then daw, kinundem na siya
20:32.1
Dahil sinasabi niyang popular pa rin si ERAP
20:34.1
nung um-exit siya.
20:36.1
Tapos nung nakita ko siya,
20:38.1
sabi ko, Mr. President eh,
20:40.1
hindi ko inisip na gano'n kayo
20:42.1
kadaling pabagsakin.
20:44.1
Dahil yung objective conditions
20:46.1
ay hindi naman gano'n eh.
20:48.1
It's the more the
20:54.1
Yung Mindanao War.
21:00.1
At yung mga tao mo
21:02.1
na ang bilis bumaliktad.
21:04.1
Ang naiwan na lang siya, Hagi Dorn eh.
21:06.1
Sa Malacanang eh.
21:08.1
So you think, Ronald, maybe BBM
21:10.1
could be vulnerable to kind of an ERAP moment?
21:12.1
So more a political rather than
21:16.1
Kaya nga, the weteng was not a GDP reducing
21:20.1
It was a big scandal.
21:22.1
Do you think Marcos Jr. could be vulnerable?
21:24.1
Ang problema ni BBM, wala siyang
21:28.1
at magpapakamatay para sa kanya.
21:30.1
Di ba? Wala eh. Nawala yung
21:32.1
Marcos loyalists eh. Wala yung mga brown shirts eh.
21:38.1
At least wala pa.
21:40.1
At least wala pa.
21:42.1
Kaya yung vulnerability
21:44.1
niya ay mas malakas
21:46.1
kesa sa isang Duterte
21:50.1
Baka yung vulnerability niya
21:52.1
sa level ng isang Arroyo.
21:58.1
Pero yung sabi mo, hindi siya
22:02.1
Ibig sabihin, mas malakas siya
22:06.1
Binag-uusapan na natin yung relationship ni Duterte
22:08.1
with the military. I'm actually curious, ano ba ang
22:10.1
inroads nitong Marcos administration na ito
22:12.1
into creating a strong support base
22:14.1
sa military ngayon? Kasi yun yung nagpabagsak
22:16.1
kay ERAP, ultimately, si ano yan?
22:20.1
Angelo? What's his name?
22:24.1
Angie Reyes na ba talaga nagpabagsak kay ERAP?
22:26.1
I don't see na mangyayari
22:28.1
yung ganong level kay Bongbong
22:30.1
in the near future.
22:32.1
One, two, three, four. Una,
22:34.1
may mga grumblings
22:36.1
halimbawa dito sa nangyaring
22:40.1
former Secretary Rio.
22:42.1
May manifesto dyan, karamihan mga
22:44.1
ex-military officers.
22:46.1
Tingin nila hindi nasasagot ng
22:48.1
Comelec o ng gobyerno
22:50.1
yung charges of massive cheating.
22:52.1
Maraming pumirma dyan.
22:54.1
Isa yan sa iniinvoke ni
23:02.1
yung MUP, yung insurance.
23:04.1
Ito yung magalong group
23:06.1
na nagreklamo. Pag may
23:08.1
entitlement ka na sinbinigay sa military
23:10.1
at saka police, mahirap nabawiin.
23:12.1
Mahirap nabawiin.
23:16.1
galit na galit sila
23:22.1
ginagawang pa niya
23:24.1
for the fiscal crisis. Yun ang
23:26.1
binakabandera niya. Yun ang dinademonize niya.
23:30.1
lengwahe dyan ng mga sundalo,
23:32.1
ang tagal namin walang
23:34.1
increase, ang tagal namin nagpapakamatay,
23:36.1
etc. Tapos ngayong nabigyan kami
23:38.1
ng increase ay gusto
23:40.1
niyong bawiin, yan ay
23:42.1
isang possible catalyst
23:44.1
within that section of the population.
23:48.1
last year, maraming
23:50.1
record doon eh. Pero yung mga chief of staff
23:52.1
napalitan, tapos pinalitan ulit, tapos
23:54.1
binalik ulit. Diba?
23:56.1
Tapos yung DND chief
23:58.1
nag-resign dahil hindi niya
24:00.1
nagustuhan yung politics sa
24:02.1
pagpapalit ng chief of staff.
24:06.1
meron pang ibang mga galit.
24:08.1
Mga promotions, etc.
24:12.1
nagugrupo. Nagugrupo yan.
24:14.1
At kung may kakausap dyan
24:16.1
at bibigyan silang direction,
24:26.1
ay hindi inconsequential.
24:28.1
Because si GMA, yan ang longest
24:30.1
president, nine years. Tapos si
24:32.1
Digong, very recent.
24:34.1
So medyo sariwa pa
24:36.1
yung kanilang relasyon
24:38.1
dito sa mga military at saka
24:40.1
kapulisan. Especially Digong.
24:42.1
Especially Digong. Lalo na sa
24:46.1
Yan yung inalagaan niya eh.
24:48.1
At most of this batch 92
24:50.1
ay mga colonels at saka
24:52.1
generals. Bakit bakit yun,
24:54.1
Ronald, batch 92?
24:56.1
Yan yung, alam mo,
24:58.1
yung head ng PSG niya, batch 92.
25:02.1
binigyan niya ng magagandang posisyon.
25:04.1
Game of age na sila. Yan yung
25:06.1
inalagaan niya. Yan yung busog.
25:08.1
Usually kasi may mga
25:10.1
batches na inaalagaan eh.
25:12.1
Si Digong yan ang inalagaan niya.
25:14.1
Yung batch na batch
25:18.1
sa ngayon, si Marcos naman hindi diyang
25:20.1
kumukuha ng mga napopromote.
25:22.1
Kumukuha siya sa batch 93 at saka
25:24.1
sa batch 91. Tinatalo na niya
25:26.1
yung batch na yan dahil hindi niya
25:28.1
sigurado yung loyalty
25:30.1
ng mga yan. So makikita mo rin yung
25:34.1
compared doon sa movement ni
25:36.1
Digong. Etcetera.
25:40.1
mahihirapan yan, kahit
25:42.1
magugnay-ugnayan, kung wala
25:44.1
yung chain of command. Sa ngayon,
25:46.1
yung chain of command ay loyal
25:50.1
And Ronald, let's not forget the big
25:52.1
picture, what was not there during
25:54.1
Arab. There was no new Cold War.
25:56.1
The West Philippine Sea was not such a big issue.
25:58.1
The US is invested in the Marcos
26:00.1
administration. You wanna
26:02.1
hear good stuff about Marcos, talk to the
26:04.1
ambassadors of western democratic
26:06.1
countries. You know, I just
26:08.1
moderated the whole panel.
26:10.1
That's what I'm saying. Exactly.
26:12.1
So mas pro-BPM sila
26:16.1
Obviously. But you get what I'm saying, right?
26:18.1
So that's the big thing.
26:20.1
Si BPM has a foreign backing
26:22.1
in ways no Philippine president had.
26:24.1
Because the Philippines is more important than ever
26:26.1
because of the China element. So I think that's
26:28.1
the difference. But the most important one is
26:30.1
strategic learning. Everyone learned
26:32.1
doon sa kapalpakan ni Arab.
26:34.1
That's why the DDS, I mean if you
26:36.1
follow the thinking Pinoy people, they always
26:38.1
talk about avoiding the ETSA 2
26:40.1
scenario, right? They always talk about that.
26:42.1
So they were very prepared for that.
26:44.1
So Ronald is right. Walang warm bodies
26:46.1
si BPM. But I even doubt
26:50.1
Like where was the DDS
26:52.1
protest or rallies in support
26:54.1
of Digong throughout 6 years? I saw none.
26:56.1
Like there was one na nagdala
26:58.1
sa ETSA 2, umuwi na nung umulan.
27:02.1
exaggerated yung warm bodies ni Digong.
27:04.1
Unless Richard, unless a religious
27:06.1
group mobilizes. Ah well, ibang
27:08.1
usapan na yan. That's
27:10.1
ibang usapan na yan. I'm talking about
27:12.1
really brown shirt supporters, mga
27:14.1
ganyan na. Ibang usapan yung tactical allies
27:16.1
and all. Muno sa Mindanao meron pa.
27:18.1
Of course, I'm talking
27:20.1
about the seat of power.
27:22.1
Well, I could say
27:24.1
if that's the question, samin din sa
27:26.1
Baguio or sa Ilocos Norte
27:28.1
patay kay anti-Marcos
27:30.1
kahit hindi nalabas.
27:32.1
Nalabas pagka Ilocano mo Richard.
27:36.1
pag natanggal si BPM,
27:38.1
kunyari si Sarah naging president,
27:40.1
magra-rally na sa lahat kami sa Baguio.
27:42.1
Alam mo sa Baguio ngayon,
27:44.1
meron mga unitim,
27:46.1
picture ni BPM at saka picture ni Sarah.
27:48.1
And then in Ilocano sa babay,
27:50.1
parang nakakainis naman
27:52.1
yung babaeng yan. Alam mo yung mga ganyan
27:54.1
sa bago na ngayon.
27:56.1
Di ba binuburang ang mga babaeng ni Sarah?
27:58.1
Nakakainis tong babaeng yan in Ilocano.
28:02.1
I'm telling you, don't bring
28:04.1
vizmin. Meron din kaming Baguio
28:06.1
in Ilocos. Malaban din kami.
28:08.1
So I think everyone learned from that experience.
28:10.1
But Lelo, I'm telling you,
28:12.1
if there's one area that BPM can be
28:14.1
very confident is
28:16.1
invested ang superpowers
28:18.1
sa kanya. Not only one, but also Japan,
28:20.1
but also Europe, but also Australia.
28:22.1
So swerte rin si BPM
28:24.1
in that sense. So I don't think he should worry much
28:26.1
about the military. And yun yung
28:28.1
misreading ni Digong. He thought just because
28:30.1
may petronage sa nun,
28:32.1
that it will eat out the geopolitics.
28:34.1
The geopolitics is big because US
28:36.1
has a lot of money.
28:38.1
Japan has a lot of money.
28:40.1
Very influential in US
28:42.1
sa ating military establishment.
28:44.1
Even na yan, of course. 100%.
28:46.1
Ang president mo dito, yung presidente,
28:48.1
nung old cold war.
28:50.1
Dahil... Yeah, exactly.
28:52.1
That's a good point.
28:54.1
Balikan natin yung libro na
28:56.1
Waltzing with the Dictator ni Raymond Bonner.
28:58.1
Isa lang naman ang punto niya dun.
29:00.1
Kahit anong gawin ni Apo Lakay,
29:02.1
kaya niyang gawin for as long as
29:04.1
trinete niya yung US na kung di nyo kami
29:06.1
supportan, you're out of Subic, you're out of Clark.
29:08.1
And because of that, he could get away with
29:10.1
murder. He could get away with anything.
29:12.1
So, this is probably a
29:14.1
tamer version of that. But this Marcos
29:16.1
can stay in power the same way
29:18.1
his father stayed in power. By fighting
29:20.1
the cold war. By fighting the cold war
29:22.1
in favor of the Americans. But I would also
29:24.1
argue that it's even more interesting because
29:26.1
during cold war, there were only two
29:28.1
superpowers. Now, there are many powers
29:30.1
in this part of the world. Japan is emerging as a
29:32.1
new defense power. So, kunyari
29:34.1
mag-away si BBM at si Biden,
29:36.1
I'm sure the Japanese will try
29:38.1
to mediate the same way that Abe mediated
29:40.1
between Trump and Digong, right?
29:42.1
So, what I'm saying is that hindi lang US
29:44.1
ang invested. So, it's waltzing with
29:46.1
multiple powers. With
29:48.1
Australia, with Japan, even with India,
29:50.1
Korea, all of them like BBM eh.
29:52.1
Because BBM is good for their geopolitics,
29:54.1
for their interest in this part of the world.
29:56.1
That's why napagod si BBM.
29:58.1
Siyempre, he had to go to...
30:02.1
He loved me so much!
30:04.1
So much love! I cannot
30:06.1
take it! So much love from
30:08.1
the pute. So much love from the pute.
30:10.1
Tapos talo ka pang Hawaii, love from
30:12.1
the Ilocanos. Di na
30:14.1
na-lovebomb ka for one week.
30:20.1
ng statement si Browner
30:24.1
destabilization at saka possible
30:26.1
coup, nang magkaiba yun, ha?
30:30.1
Akala ko Brownlee.
30:32.1
The last player na
30:34.1
na-dupe. Ang dami mga ambasador
30:36.1
ang tatawag sa akin, nagtitext.
30:38.1
Gusto magpa-update dahil concerned
30:42.1
So baka may mangyari.
30:48.1
Hindi lang itong mga North Americans.
30:50.1
Ito ay Europeans.
30:52.1
Exactly! Yun nga!
30:54.1
Traditionally critical
30:56.1
sa Marcos. Tawag naman!
30:58.1
Pero kung anong sila,
31:02.1
sent ng meeting, text,
31:04.1
nagpa-update. Talagang very
31:06.1
concerned sila na baka may mangyari nga.
31:08.1
Kaya nga Ronald, hashtag
31:10.1
protect BBM nga yung joke ko last year
31:12.1
pa lang eh. I was talking to some Marcos
31:14.1
loyalist people and they're saying,
31:16.1
kawawa si BBM. He inherited so much
31:18.1
problems from these people from Davao.
31:24.1
Konya pro Marcos.
31:26.1
Old school loyalist.
31:28.1
BBM, so much problem he has
31:30.1
to deal with. We have to be nice to him,
31:32.1
protect him, take care. And then suddenly
31:34.1
hashtag protect. Next thing I know,
31:36.1
ganun din yung mga kabila na sa
31:38.1
foreign powers. Marcos,
31:40.1
he's a good ally. We need to protect him.
31:42.1
I'm like, what's going on here?
31:46.1
parang out of business tayo
31:48.1
pare. Tayo lang walang
31:50.1
kampo talaga eh. Kawawa talaga tayo.
31:52.1
Alright, on that note, thank you very
31:54.1
much si Ronald. Wala na eh.
31:56.1
Na 6am club na si
31:58.1
Ronald. Ronald, maaga ka for 6am
32:04.1
5 hours na lang, pwede ka na ulit
32:06.1
mag-interview. Nasanay naman ako sa
32:08.1
slave labor, di ba? Ay, patay.
32:10.1
Nagparinig na naman.
32:12.1
Nagparinig na naman.
32:16.1
Paki-explain sa kanya, makan yung
32:18.1
agent fee. Kami ni Cristiano
32:20.1
nagpasikat sa kanya. Dapat nga may
32:22.1
10% kami. Ako na yung
32:28.1
Dapat meron akong
32:30.1
cut sa mga commission mo dyan.
32:34.1
pinahirapan dahil ang dami nag-iimbita.
32:36.1
Kinala mo si Agot?
32:40.1
Ago and Art Leloy.
32:42.1
Dyan sa Bay Area.
32:44.1
Nag-one, mga podcast.
32:48.1
nag-podcast ako. Nagulat ako,
32:50.1
15,000 yung viewers.
32:54.1
Ito yung pangalan niya.
32:58.1
Pedalizo. Kinala ni
33:02.1
Ano ba? Ano ba yan?
33:12.1
sa kabila. Although
33:14.1
very independent naman ngayon.
33:20.1
We'll check that. Thank you very much, gentlemen.
33:22.1
It's sabat day already. I have to
33:24.1
zone out. Thank you so much.
33:26.1
Maraming salamat. Nagreklamo na yung mga...
33:28.1
Can you imagine? More than half a thousand
33:30.1
people are still live watching us.
33:32.1
At 2 a.m. almost.
33:34.1
Kanyang kanila kamahal, Leloy.
33:38.1
Leloy, ikaw yung minamahal nila.
33:40.1
Kaya these people are all here. Hindi kami. Hindi kami.
33:42.1
Hindi kami. Hindi kami. Hindi kami.
33:44.1
Thank you, bro. Thank you so much, guys.
33:46.1
Maraming salamat. Thank you.
33:52.1
Gising ang maga next time.
33:54.1
Bro, sorry. Masyadong crazy.
33:56.1
Masyadong crazy naman yung 7 a.m. mo.
33:58.1
Maybe we can do evening your time next time.
34:00.1
Sige. Let's think about it.
34:02.1
Parang naman we have one or two before
34:04.1
Christmas sana. Okay.
34:06.1
Pauwi na rin ako. Pauwi ako. December 11.
34:08.1
Ayaw pala eh. Hindi.
34:10.1
Let's do it in studio. In person na tayo.
34:12.1
Okay. Leloy, tell me the schedule.
34:14.1
In person na tayo. Next one. Okay.
34:16.1
Ako nang bahala. Talk to you guys soon.
34:18.1
Mga ka, sama ka sa Convoy.
34:24.1
Thank you. God bless.
