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Pinag-usapan natin kung pwede bumalik ang ABS-CBN.
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Pwede rin natin...
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Pinag-usapan din natin mga kameta, yung mga love life ng mga kasama natin.
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Pinag-usapan din natin ng ICC.
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Ayan, pag-usapan naman natin isang bagay na mahalaga.
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Of course, para sa atin at malapit sa puso natin.
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At ito ay dahilan na talagang pumasok tayo sa arena ng public discussion and punditry.
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Narinig nyo ba ako mga kameta?
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Sinisoundcheck ko na hopefully gumagana itong sound systems natin.
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Tin-test lang natin.
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Pakisabi guys, ako kay mga audio natin.
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Ito, ito, ito mga kameta.
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Bago matapos ang linggong ito, medyo i-recap natin yung mga big developments dyan.
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Pero pag-usapan din natin itong mga latest nangyara sa West Philippine Sea
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because kung naikinig po kayo sa news, malalaman nyo na actually kaka-inaugurate po natin
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ng bagong facilities.
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May mga bago tayong mga pasilidad dyan sa Kalean Group of Islands.
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Particularly dyan sa Tito Island, gumawa po tayo ng bagong Coast Guard facility.
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If I'm not missing, two-story Coast Guard facility.
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At mahalaga ito dahil pinapakita ito na hindi tayo sumusuko at tuloy-tuloy po ang laban natin dito sa Pilipinas.
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In fact, mga kameta, pag titignan nyo, pag titignan nyo mga kameta, gumagana.
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Okay, thank you kay Sir Ion.
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Gumagana yung audio natin.
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Tin-test lang natin.
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Klara ba yung audio natin?
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Pakisabi ko ang aking audio natin.
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Pasensya na mga kameta.
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Oo, nagtitest-testin tayo.
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Anyway, balikan natin itong mga kameta because
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ito mukhang palaban na talagang Pilipinas.
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Mukhang palaban na talagang Pilipinas at hindi lang tayong palaban.
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Medyo worried yung mga kapitbahay natin.
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Baka magkaroon na tayo ng giyera dito kung tuloy-tuloy ang ganitong dynamics.
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And then we also have this situation na kung saan si Secretary Gilbert Jotoro sinasabi niya na parang halos useless kung kausapin natin in China.
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But of course, in a very specific context, pag-usapan natin yan.
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This is big mga kameta because
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what we are dealing with is what you can call as gaslighting.
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Because may mga scholars, mga scholars ng motherland, yan.
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Mga ganyan na experts, mga scholars na wala naman scholarly output na ewan ko kung paano naging scholar mo yan.
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Alam mo, hindi ka maging expert kung nag-graduate ka lang na isang degree.
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You know, to be an expert, you have to publish ISK, Scopus, high-level.
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Publications, mga ganyan level.
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Anyway, putting that aside, I mean, free marketplace of ideas naman.
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Anyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it's informed.
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Pero bago mo nang tawag yung sarili mong expert or magpatawag ka ng sarili mong expert,
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eh medyo, medyo ano, magpakita tayo ng gilas.
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Magpakita tayo ng scholarly output.
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Hindi lang yung mga thesis lang natin sa tabi-tabi or yung mga sinubmit lang natin bilang estudyante.
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Ang mahalaga, yung ano na produce mo bilang isang academic, isang researcher, isang scholar at the highest levels.
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So, including ISI, Scopus, mga peer-reviewed publications.
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But anyway, what are we supposed to talk about mga kameta?
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Okay, kitang-kita na medyo mahaba yung araw natin.
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But I hope I'm gonna be sensible in the coming few minutes and so.
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But I'll talk about something very sensitive.
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Kasi pag titignan natin itong mga kameta, marami sa ating mga kababayan ay nagagalit na at naiinis na
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dahil sa kanilang palagay, hindi tayo tinutulungan ng ating mga kapitbahay.
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At may mga nagsasabi pa na parang useless itong ASEAN at yung mga kapitbahay natin sa ASEAN ay mga pro-China lahat.
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Ganito yung rhetoric.
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And then sa kabilang banda naman, may mga kasama tayo dyan, lalo yung mga kat-DS natin dyan na
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tinitwist ang mga pinagsasabi ng mga kapitbahay natin para sasabihin naman na
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ayan, tignan mo naman, tayo lang walang nakukuha.
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Lahat sila pro-China, friendly sa China, kaya masayang buhay nila.
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Now, let me tell you.
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Mga kameta, mali lahat yung mga taong yan.
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Mali lahat yung mga taong yan.
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And I will explain to you why.
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I'll explain to you why.
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On multiple levels.
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And this is very important because recently, itong leader po ng Singapore,
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a very good and very sound and very articulate leader,
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said something about na parang nag-caution siya na ingat tayo doon sa nangyayari sa West Philippine Sea.
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I think it was a very subtle, cautionary statement, etc.
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Pero na-twist ito.
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Nang mga propagandist dito sa Pilipinas, lalo yung mga ka-DDS natin,
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ng mga others na kung,
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Uy, tignan mo, ba't si Singapore? Ganyan, ganyan, ganyan.
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Okay. Let's put things into context, mga kameta.
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Alright? Let's put things into context.
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Let's be very, very clear about this.
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Alam natin pagdating sa Singapore, they're very sensitive.
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They don't want to interfere in our domestic affairs.
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And I don't think Prime Minister Lee meant it in an offensive way.
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I don't think he meant to lecture us per se.
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He just expressed in a very genuine way as a fellow as in country,
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yung direksyon ng nangyayari.
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Sa West Philippine Sea.
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So, in fairness to him.
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And I think if given the chance, they're gonna explain more.
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But, eto mga kameta.
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Ayan, mga kamekos.
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Mamabalik na yung mga kamekos.
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Pero mga kamekos, eto.
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Huwag na natin gamitin ng mekos, mga kameta.
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Kasi pag gamitin natin yung mekos-mekos na yun, mga met,
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dun sa masisira yung mga shorts na ginagawa natin, diba?
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Magandang soft title natin.
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Mga kameta, we have to put things into perspective.
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Because if you look at the ASEAN,
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may kanya-kanya tayong diskarte
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on how to deal with the West Philippine Sea disputes.
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karamihan ng mga bansa sa ASEAN ay walang direct disputes with China
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sa West Philippine Sea.
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So, ang mga claimant lang na nag-aasean na active ay
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Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam.
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Philippines and Vietnam.
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Now, having said that,
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may mga ka-ASEAN member din tayo
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na napaka-dependent.
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Sa aid from China.
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At totally, walang interest dyan sa West Philippine Sea.
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Eto yung mga countries na katulad ng Cambodia
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or landlocked countries like Laos.
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Or yung mga sobrang malaya na sa atin katulad ng Myanmar
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which is sa gitna ng isang civil war.
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And then, you have other countries na
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influential sa region and internationally
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katulad ng Indonesia,
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katulad ng Singapore,
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katulad ng Thailand,
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na walang direct disputes sa South China Sea
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at West Philippine Sea.
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Okay? Pero, may interest sila sa stabilidad
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So, we have to distinguish that.
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And depended dun sa kanyang geographical position,
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depended dun sa kalidad ng kanyang relationship with China,
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at depended dun sa kanyang threat perceptions.
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At yung kanilang level of security cooperation
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with other partners and allies and powers
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katulad ng United States,
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iba yung kanilang positioning dito sa West Philippine Sea issue.
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So, the first thing we have to keep in mind,
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is it's impossible to get exactly the same points of views
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because sobrang diverse po
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ang level ng interest natin
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vis-a-vis the West Philippine Sea sa loob ng ASEAN.
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Pakalawa, geographically speaking,
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ang Pilipinas po ay very exceptional unique country.
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For instance, ang Pilipinas ay mas malapit sa Taipei
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from Manila, right?
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Isang oras pa lang sa Taipei ka na.
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Ang layo ng Singapore,
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ang layo ng Malaysia,
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ang layo ng Jakarta,
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ang layo ng Bangkok,
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Mala rin na rin yung 3-4 hours.
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Pero Taipei, 1 hour, nandun ka na.
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So, kitang-kita mo na yung geography natin, iba.
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Pangatlo, at dito, exceptional pa rin ng Pilipinas,
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tayo po ay isang treaty ally ng United States.
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Ang mga ibang ASEAN countries ay hindi.
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In fact, I would argue that yung treaty alliance
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ng Thailand at sa United States
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ay medyo questionable yung treaty alliance nila.
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It doesn't have the same structure and provisions
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as yung treaty alliance na meron ng America at Pilipinas
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at meron ng America at Japan, for instance.
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Although, iba rin yung sa Japan.
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At sa Pilipinas, on a certain level.
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But, sobrang malayo yung kalidad at yung kasaysayan
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ng relationship ng Thailand at Ustado Unidos
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kumpara sa relasyon ng Pilipinas at Ustado Unidos.
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Now, we also have to keep in mind, mga kameta,
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na ang bawat bansa sa loob ng ASEAN
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ay umiiba din ang kanilang mga stance sa West Philippine Sea.
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Tingnan mo yung Pilipinas pa lang.
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Kay President Aquino,
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dinala ang China sa International Court.
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At nag-sign ng ETCA.
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Kay Digong, binabaliwala,
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at least si Digong mismo,
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binabaliwala ang ating arbitration award, victory,
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hindi nga, binabaliwala lang eh.
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Ano eh, ginaganyan na eh,
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binabastos pa yung ating alliance with America.
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So, ang layo nung policy yan ni Digong
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from policy yan ng Aquino.
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And then, ngayon naman si BBM,
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iniiba na naman niya kay Digong.
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So, medyo hybrid or medyo new dialectical synthesis
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ang ginagawa niya to be Hegelian about this.
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So, kung titignan mo,
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yung position ng isang bansa nga,
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kadawalan ng Pilipinas,
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ay paiba-iba rin.
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So, unrealistic po na mag-expect tayo
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ng exactly the same position
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among ASEAN countries.
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So, that should be our factual recognition.
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Yun ang dapat first order of things.
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I-recognize natin na sobrang diverse po
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yung points of view natin
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at saka yung threat perception natin
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at umiiba yung position ng bawat ng bansa.
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Now, may mga na-publish tayo.
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Marami tayo na-publish dito,
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including yung isang latest publication natin
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with La Trobe University
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where I talk about
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50 Shades of Hedging.
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Which brings me to the issue of hedging,
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yung konsepto ng hedging is very, very important.
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Ano ibig sabihin ng hedging,
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Sa ilalim ng hedging strategy,
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kahit ikaw ay may alyansa with America
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or ikaw ay napaka malapit sa China,
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pag titignan mo lahat ng mga ASEAN countries,
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may sarili silang version ng hedging.
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At kung titignan mo,
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ito ay isang strategy kung saan
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medyo hindi ka 100% sure.
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And what you do under a hedging strategy
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is that what you're trying,
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is that, you know,
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you're leaning on one power
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against the other power,
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but you're not burning your bridges
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with the other superpower.
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So you're trying to find this perfect balance,
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itong sweet spot,
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sa gitna ng mga competing superpowers.
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in the case of the Philippines,
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treaty ally natin ang United States,
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parating nakalean tayo ng konti.
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Even yung panahon ng Digong,
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even during the time of Rodrigo Duterte,
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despite all his efforts,
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we're still the U.S. treaty ally.
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So meron tayong mga
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networks of interdependence
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na naka-embed tayo
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dun sa bilateral alliance natin.
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we are leaning towards U.S.,
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but you're trying to reach out to,
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parang boxing yun eh.
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to the right, to the left,
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depending on ano mo,
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nagaanag ka ng range mo,
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Parang nag-MMA tayo.
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a hedging strategy
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is kind of a third way.
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is neither choosing
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between this side
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against that side,
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balancing, for instance,
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number one superpower
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against the rising superpower,
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it's also not bandwagoning,
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meaning siding with the
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rising superpower
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declining superpower.
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It's a kind of a third way.
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It's kind of a middle ground,
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whereby you're not
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fully aligning with one side,
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but you're leaning more
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It's asymmetrical.
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depende sa issue,
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depende sa panahon,
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depende sa threat perception.
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war-like situation,
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hedging strategy na ito
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because it gives you
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room for maneuver.
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It allows smaller countries
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like the Philippines
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to exercise a lot of
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strategic autonomy.
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ng isang bansa katulad
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na historically very strong
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economic relationship
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at hindi gano'ng kaganda
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yung kanilang security
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with the United States.
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O, alam natin na Malaysia
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bilang isang Muslim
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majority country,
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marami silang disagreement
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with the United States
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so on and so forth.
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Muslim majority din,
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pero medyo iba yung
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Kasama din sila sa G20,
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medyo they see themselves
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as a rising superpower
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or rising great power,
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at least middle power na sila.
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And iba rin sa Vietnam
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because ang Vietnam
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even ipalaban sa China,
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dahil sa geography niya,
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next to China lang siya,
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may direct border siya
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maritime disputes
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So, dalawa yung point
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of vulnerability.
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because katabi rin niya
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yung mga pro-China countries
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or allegedly pro-China countries.
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pagdating sa Vietnam,
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yung kanilang mga imports
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ay galing sa China.
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na ginagamit nila,
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yung mga intermediate goods
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na ginagamit nila
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to make the manufacturing
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na pinapadala sa West.
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So, napakalaki yung dependence
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ng Vietnam sa China.
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hindi pitsugi ng Vietnam,
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hindi sila patalo,
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so lumalaban sila.
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there's another thing
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that makes Vietnam unique
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in its own sense.
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They're a communist country.
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communist-to-communist
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relationship with China.
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showing to you that
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it's not an either-or
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It's not a pro-China,
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pro-US positioning.
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Cambodia ay medyo
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sobrang malapit na.
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sobrang nakaganon
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Not totally siding
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with China against US,
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hindi ito alliance,
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nakalin siya dito.
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Ang Pilipinas naman,
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medyo parang mirror.
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ay medyo nasa gitna.
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yung kanilang positioning.
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So, this is what you call
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So, you're not fully aligning
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with one superpower
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against the other.
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lahat tayong mga kameta
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lahat tayong mga kameta
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so, what we're hoping
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that kind of situation.
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it's what you call
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hedging strategy.
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at ang concept ng hedging
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I mean, yung hedging
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na ginagawa ng mga investors.
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You don't put all your
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eggs in one basket.
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You don't put all your
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a diversified portfolio.
15:22.6
medyo mag-lean ka na more
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compared to this product
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if ever hindi nag-work
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itong investment mo.
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So, it's kind of the same.
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It's kind of similar.
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full-blown Cold War
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hedging is the most
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reasonable strategy.
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potentially Philippines
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and then Cambodia
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to the other side.
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you can look at the region
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in a multipolar sense.
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even Russia was very powerful.
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So, Myanmar and Vietnam
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ay napakalapit sa Russia.
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for a very long time
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napakalapit sa Russia.
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Mas malapit pa sa Russia
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kasi China and United States.
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So, medyo triangular
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yung kanilang hedging.
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Again, it's kind of similar
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mixed martial arts.
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So, you have to hedge.
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So, this is not about
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pro-China, pro-US per se
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parang gusto niyang
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pipilitin na papunta
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Pero, hirap na hirap siya
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kasi andun yung mga
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institutional linkages
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at the highest levels
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between Philippines and US
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kaya medyo nahihirapan siya.
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essentially 50 shades
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Different countries in ASEAN
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one power against the other
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without necessarily
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ang problema kasi dito
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Kasi yung policy natin
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ngayon sa Pilipinas
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nagiging problematic
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yung relationship natin
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so we're doing more
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deterrence against China
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rather than engagement.
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And just to give you an idea
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how serious the situation
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Defense Secretary
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of the Philippines
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openly questioning
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of their diplomacy
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at this point in time
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although I find that
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interesting because
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I think I'd rather ask
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the Department of Foreign Affairs
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but shortly after this
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because Singapore
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I think is a very
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this conversation
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one way or another
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by the Singaporean leader
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so medyo nandito na tayo
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may mga headlines
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of course this is not
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Defense Secretary
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medyo mas nuanced
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yung sinabi ni Secretary
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Defense Secretary
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that even implies
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anything close to this
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in fairness naman
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marami mga caveats
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but to openly question
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the value of direct diplomacy
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that's quite unique
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you don't have anything
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if this is already
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beyond hedging na
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and this is almost saying
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sa kampo ng Amerika
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some could interpret
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I don't think that's
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what the Defense Secretary
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Gibo's statements
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I cannot remember
18:24.6
any other Defense Secretary
18:27.0
we can talk about
18:31.6
Johnson's South Rift
18:33.1
we can talk about
18:33.9
but in recent memory
18:35.2
wala akong nakita
18:36.2
so ito yung sinabi
18:37.4
it's not fruitful
18:39.3
bilateral discussion
18:40.1
but a time when we prove
18:42.1
this is my personal belief
18:43.7
that formal bilateral discussion
18:45.1
should only be held
18:46.4
that they are sincere
18:49.5
you have a situation
18:51.4
where you're saying
18:51.8
diplomacy makes sense
18:53.2
if there's sincerity
18:54.4
I think the headline
18:56.4
is not doing justice
18:59.2
meant it in a much more
19:00.7
pero aminin natin
19:02.0
sobrang layo na natin
19:05.0
yung ETCA basis access
19:06.3
na binibigay natin
19:09.6
no other ASEAN country
19:11.5
comes close to that
19:15.3
meron tayo ngayon
19:16.4
mga aerial patrols
19:17.8
na kasama ang Amerika
19:19.8
mga aerial patrols
19:20.8
you have no other
19:22.4
doing anything close to that
19:23.3
you're looking at
19:26.3
quadrilateral joint patrols
19:28.3
with other countries
19:31.4
this is extremely unique
19:32.6
we don't have any other
19:34.0
country in the region
19:34.8
who comes anywhere
19:38.7
this is the interesting
19:40.4
that we have right now
19:55.9
you have to be very specific
20:03.4
kabila yung medyo questionable
20:05.4
yung nakita kong version
20:07.4
yung mga kapsad natin dyan
20:09.4
correct yung mga Isabela
20:12.4
medyo ilokala na tayo kasi
20:18.4
there's no other ASEAN country
20:19.4
who has anything close to that
20:20.4
so unique talaga tayo dyan
20:21.4
yung joint patrol
20:24.4
na post natin dyan
20:25.4
tingnan nyo naman
20:26.4
nag-aerial patrols na tayo
20:27.4
with the United States
20:29.4
wala ka man up na ASEAN country
20:31.4
na may ginagawang ganyan
20:32.4
na may isang ibang bansa nakasama
20:34.4
na nag-aerial patrol
20:35.4
habang may active dispute
20:37.4
with another super power
20:41.4
and then tignan mo yung
20:42.4
balikatang exercises natin
20:44.4
lampas sa 15,000 troops
20:46.4
galing hindi lang sa United States
20:49.4
galing sa Australia
20:50.4
even United Kingdom
20:52.4
so biglang ang Pilipinas
20:53.4
parang hub ng mga
20:54.4
multiple super powers
20:55.4
again this is very unique
20:57.4
you don't see anything like that
20:58.4
in the rest of ASEAN country
20:59.4
so that's why some are wondering
21:01.4
if we're not only leaning
21:03.4
to one side against the other
21:04.4
but we're fully aligning
21:06.4
towards one side or the other
21:09.4
hindi pa tayo nag-fully align
21:12.4
if current trend lines continue
21:14.4
medyo papunta na tayo dyan
21:17.4
having said that mga kameta
21:20.4
there are things you can do
21:21.4
there are interesting things
21:22.4
there are interesting dynamics
21:23.4
here that we can look at
21:27.4
the case of Singapore
21:28.4
because the case of Singapore
21:29.4
is very instructive and interesting
21:31.4
sobrang layo yung kanilang situation
21:32.4
because to begin with
21:35.4
territorial disputes
21:36.4
with China directly
21:38.4
yung kanilang bilateral
21:40.4
trade and investment
21:42.4
in ways that was not
21:43.4
the case in the Philippines
21:44.4
kasi yun nga yung problema eh
21:45.4
kaya nga iba yung strategy
21:46.4
ng BBM laban kay Duterte
21:48.4
because one big reason is
21:50.4
panahon ni Digong
21:51.4
walang pumasok na
21:52.4
big ticket investments
21:54.4
o saan yung mga high speed railway nila
21:55.4
saan yung Mindanao railway nila
21:58.4
binawala lang yata tayo
21:59.4
or sobrang palpak
22:00.4
yung gobyern natin
22:01.4
to properly negotiate
22:05.4
yung investment strategy
22:10.4
eto yung gusto kong pakita
22:12.4
eto yung sinasabi natin
22:16.4
so this is the first ever
22:21.4
I think that's an
22:24.4
so clearly F-50 yung isa
22:26.4
may mga giant na aircraft
22:32.4
you don't see anything
22:34.4
between any other
22:37.4
as in claimant state
22:38.4
o sa West Philippine Sea
22:39.4
with the United States
22:40.4
when you have this
22:41.4
dispute with China
22:42.4
again that's unique
22:46.4
na walang mga major
22:50.4
and other ASEAN countries
22:55.4
this is where things
22:58.4
pagdating sa level
22:59.4
of security cooperation
23:00.4
and quality of security
23:05.4
may have it better
23:08.4
their relationship
23:14.4
let me explain to you
23:15.4
the case of Singapore
23:16.4
because this is a very
23:18.4
that I think is very
23:20.4
because they have
23:21.4
very strong investment
23:22.4
relations with China
23:23.4
and they have also invested
23:24.4
big time in China
23:25.4
mayaman na bansang Singapore
23:28.4
they want to have
23:31.4
in all major markets
23:32.4
and production centers
23:34.4
some are wondering
23:35.4
whether the investment
23:37.4
yung mga industrial
23:39.4
park nila sa China
23:40.4
has been as successful
23:43.4
that's a long conversation
23:46.4
it's hard to deny
23:48.4
but having said that
23:49.4
this is the interesting thing
23:51.4
pinakita ko sa inyo
23:53.4
yung joint aerial patrols
23:57.4
now please correct me
24:05.4
I think yung kabila
24:09.4
yata yung fighter niya
24:10.4
but please correct me
24:12.4
now the thing is this
24:14.4
that Singapore talks
24:17.4
especially vis-a-vis China
24:19.4
it has a very solid
24:21.4
with the United States
24:25.4
that has had access
24:26.4
to the most advanced
24:31.4
and Western NATO allies
24:32.4
this is F-35 fighters
24:35.4
which already has
24:41.4
that can vertically
24:44.4
very helpful dun sa
24:46.4
they're gonna have
24:48.4
so they're gonna have
24:49.4
a dozen F-35 fighters
24:51.4
in a very elite club
24:52.4
of non-NATO allies
24:54.4
and some would even say
24:57.4
liberal democracies
25:02.4
in the Middle East
25:05.4
except one country
25:06.4
that everyone knows about
25:09.4
United Arab Emirates
25:10.4
none of them have
25:11.4
that F-35 fighter
25:13.4
some of them wanted
25:18.4
we can discuss a lot
25:19.4
about the Middle East
25:21.4
Singapore is among
25:24.4
and non-treaty ally countries
25:25.4
that actually has
25:26.4
access to America's
25:27.4
most-advanced weapons system
25:30.4
Singapore is good in China
25:31.4
it has what it says
25:35.4
they have very robust
25:36.4
relationship with the United States
25:39.4
it's far more robust
25:42.4
here's another thing
25:43.4
you have to keep in mind
25:44.4
the United States
25:45.4
enjoys significant access
25:58.4
pact with United States
26:01.4
defense ties with China
26:02.4
so this is what they do
26:03.4
they're very smart
26:09.4
mid-level cooperation
26:11.4
and then they do some
26:12.4
higher level cooperation
26:13.4
with United States
26:14.4
so they have access
26:16.4
littoral combat ships
26:20.4
how smart Singapore is
26:21.4
this is what they do
26:23.4
this is their version of hedging
26:24.4
so this is from a
26:25.4
fantastic journal article
26:26.4
from a good friend of ours
26:30.4
I want you guys to check
26:37.4
this is a journal
26:40.4
balancing strategy
26:41.4
or hedging strategy rather
26:42.4
or equidistant diplomacy
26:43.4
between US and China
26:44.4
it's not actually
26:46.4
it's asymmetrical
26:55.4
so it is true that
26:58.4
defense relationship
26:59.4
good defense relationship
27:00.4
with both US and China
27:01.4
but it's not symmetrical
27:07.4
they give a gilly to one side
27:09.4
from the other side
27:17.4
ano yung mas mawaba sa BYD
27:19.4
and then they get a Tesla
27:20.4
from the other side
27:21.4
so it's not actually symmetrical
27:22.4
but it gives this impression
27:24.4
Singapore is very friendly
27:28.4
yung kanilang security relationship
27:29.4
with the United States
27:30.4
and they have access
27:31.4
to the best weapon systems
27:32.4
also from the United States
27:35.4
and this is where mga kamenta
27:38.4
kasi kung titignan mo
27:39.4
yung defense cooperation
27:40.4
between United States
27:43.4
of billions of dollars
27:44.4
ang mga nabili nila
27:45.4
mga weapon systems
27:46.4
from United States
27:47.4
in the past decade or so
27:48.4
base sa mga numbers na official
27:50.4
kumpara mo yung sa Pilipinas
27:51.4
yung total aid ng US sa atin
27:53.4
in the past decade or so
27:55.4
just barely over billion dollars
27:57.4
mayaman ang bansa ng Singapore
27:59.4
they're very advanced
28:01.4
that's the problem
28:02.4
na yung kita ko sa Pilipinas
28:04.4
matapang tayo sa rhetoric
28:05.4
tama yung ginagawa natin
28:08.4
yung ating relationship
28:13.4
dun sa relationship
28:15.4
sa mga hindi aliado
28:16.4
na are treated like allies
28:19.4
so there's this expression
28:21.4
Singapore is a friend
28:22.4
that acts like an ally
28:24.4
and then of course
28:27.4
that not necessarily
28:29.4
and then there are cases
28:30.4
like the Philippines
28:32.4
sometimes friends
28:33.4
sometimes not so friend
28:35.4
you don't know how reliable
28:38.4
there's a lot of problem with that
28:40.4
ito yung mga kamay na tayo
28:41.4
ito yung mga sinasabi ko
28:42.4
mga kamay na tayo
28:43.4
don't fall for all of this
28:46.4
buong ASEAN pro China
28:47.4
Philippines lang hindi
28:48.4
is actually a diverse
28:49.4
set of strategies
28:51.4
different sides are employing
28:53.4
some sides are smarter
28:57.4
in this very brief
28:58.4
mini lecture vlog
29:00.4
is to explain to you guys
29:04.4
a proper balancing
29:08.4
on our allies and friends
29:10.4
and at the same time
29:13.4
with the other side
29:14.4
and provide yourself
29:15.4
some room for maneuver
29:16.4
but most important
29:20.4
defensive deterrence capability
29:22.4
para ka hindi ka pichugin
29:25.4
if you look at it
29:26.4
yung mga ibang kabitbay natin
29:27.4
or malaki nating kabitbay
29:28.4
kaaway nilang China
29:35.4
sobrang problematic
29:36.4
yung kanilang relationship
29:39.4
over the past few years
29:42.4
yung kanilang AUKUS na
29:46.4
dahil sa kanilang push
29:48.4
for independent investigation
29:50.4
dun sa sources of COVID-19
29:53.4
all of those things
29:55.4
if you look at it
29:56.4
Australia's trade
29:58.4
has boomed to around
30:00.4
I think Australian dollars
30:01.4
but still that's huge
30:03.4
either Australian or US dollars
30:05.4
it actually has grown significantly
30:09.4
the leader of China
30:13.4
China accepted it
30:16.4
Australia is committed
30:23.4
defensive capabilities
30:24.4
and also ability to project power
30:25.4
including yung kanilang AUKUS
30:26.4
nuclear-powered submarine missile
30:28.4
so they stood their ground
30:29.4
and eventually China
30:31.4
and they became friendly
30:32.4
tignan mo rin yung latest meeting
30:38.4
you know making all of this drama
30:39.4
about oh US is so hostile to us
30:41.4
imposing sanction on us
30:44.4
oh US has a Cold War mentality
30:46.4
and then Xi Jinping goes
30:51.4
all top business leaders
30:52.4
and talks to Biden
30:53.4
and talks to business leaders
30:54.4
and said you know
30:55.4
we want to be friends
30:56.4
we don't want to get into fight
30:58.4
the reason is simple
30:59.4
dahil malakas yung mga bansa na yan
31:01.4
because they have strength
31:03.4
and because they have shown
31:05.4
strength of character
31:06.4
and hindi sila nagpa-gaslight
31:08.4
hindi sila nagpa-uto
31:10.4
ayan China is respecting them
31:14.4
because China will respect you
31:15.4
if you're respecting
31:17.4
if you have respect for yourself
31:21.4
and for you to have respect for yourself
31:22.4
you have to make sure na hindi ka magpapa-uto
31:25.4
katulad nung isa dyan
31:27.4
daming investment na papasok
31:28.4
hindi na mapapasok
31:32.4
ingay lang ng kabila
31:34.4
wag na natin gawin yan
31:35.4
but having said that
31:36.4
it's important to still
31:37.4
keep those communication channels
31:39.4
to keep direct engagement
31:40.4
so you're engaging
31:42.4
you're developing your deterrence capability
31:44.4
that balance is very important
31:47.4
more powerful and more advanced countries than us
31:49.4
have more or less kept that balance
31:50.4
so they push back when they have to
31:52.4
but they engage where they have to
31:53.4
so there's a punch
31:54.4
there's a handshake
31:56.4
there's a handshake
31:58.4
there's a handshake
31:59.4
there's that constant balancing
32:00.4
kung puro ka ng handshake
32:01.4
pero wala kang lakas
32:02.4
abusuin ka talaga
32:05.4
but kung puro ka naman ng punch
32:08.4
at wala kang engagement
32:09.4
ah you're asking for trouble
32:11.4
so it's really getting that right balance
32:12.4
which is important
32:14.4
now having said that
32:15.4
I think in fairness to the Philippines
32:17.4
I think in fairness to the Philippines
32:19.4
we're not doing too bad
32:21.4
medyo risky yung ginagawa natin ngayon
32:23.4
because sanay ng China
32:25.4
na purong tatay style yung foreign policy natin
32:27.4
na sige kayo na po
32:31.4
yung mga nakakaya ng mga style ni Digong dati diba
32:35.4
parang naman diba
32:37.4
na alas ka copy-paste lang niya yung sinabi nung ano diba
32:42.4
so now China has to wake up to the reality
32:45.4
ng Pilipinas ay hindi pichug yun
32:47.4
hindi basta-basta
32:48.4
at in fairness naman
32:49.4
kung titignan mo yung effort ng ating mga
32:52.4
ating mga top officials
32:53.4
they're doing what is necessary
32:55.4
what is important to do
32:57.4
at the latest thing na ginagawa natin is
32:59.4
sin-strengthen natin
33:00.4
yung position natin on the ground
33:04.4
establishing itong mga new facilities
33:06.4
sa West Philippine Sea
33:10.4
extremely important
33:12.4
at the end of the day
33:13.4
kahit manalo ka sa International Court
33:15.4
kahit ang dayong sinabi
33:17.4
kahit maraming kang aliado at kaibigan
33:19.4
ang mahalaga talaga dyan mga kameta
33:22.4
dyan sa pag-asa island mismo
33:25.4
2nd Thomas Shoal sa Ayungin
33:28.4
yun nga yung naging problema natin sa Panatag Shoal eh
33:30.4
kung saan na lang sa Panatag Shoal
33:32.4
sa Scarborough Shoal
33:33.4
kung saan na lang
33:34.4
meron tayong mga facilities non and all
33:36.4
hindi pwede basta basta
33:37.4
yung ano lang ng mga Chino yan
33:39.4
dahil wala nga tayong facilities doon
33:41.4
wala tayong presence
33:42.4
kaya nung kinuha nila
33:44.4
at hindi natin pinasabihin na
33:46.4
nahihirapan na tayo i-prove na sa atin yun
33:48.4
in terms of geopolitical material sense
33:51.4
paano mo naman i-atake yung mga aliado mo
33:53.4
sabihin nyo eh wala ka naman doon
33:54.4
ba't kita tutulungan
33:55.4
bakit sa'yo ba yan
33:56.4
so kaya US immediately said
33:58.4
wala kami na alam dyan
33:59.4
pero kung may troops ka doon
34:00.4
katulad ng Tito Island
34:02.4
at kung may troops ka doon
34:07.4
mapipilitan talaga yung mga aliado mo
34:09.4
even though sabihin nyo neutral sila
34:11.4
so yun yung sinasabi natin
34:17.4
position on the ground
34:18.4
and I've been saying this
34:19.4
for a very very long time
34:20.4
across different administration
34:22.4
that is extremely extremely important
34:26.4
it's very extremely important
34:28.4
for us to develop our own
34:30.4
position on the ground
34:32.4
it's very very important
34:34.4
develop our own position
34:36.4
ayusin ko lang ng konti yan
34:39.4
it's very important
34:48.4
push comes to shove
34:49.4
dapat you make sure
34:51.4
yung first wave of bullying
34:52.4
at attack pa lang
34:55.4
because if you cannot
34:57.4
hindi ka tutulungan ng iba
34:58.4
you have to have that ability
35:01.4
wave of resistance
35:03.4
and dapat na presence ka
35:05.4
at you can give bloody nose
35:07.4
you have to be like a
35:09.4
katulad ang sinabi ni
35:11.4
if you cannot beat
35:13.4
and if you're not
35:15.4
to be a small fish
35:16.4
at the very least
35:17.4
become a poison shrimp
35:22.4
wala kang you know
35:24.4
you cannot beat the other side
35:25.4
you know fang to fang
35:28.4
you have that ability
35:29.4
to defend yourself
35:30.4
because may hurtin sila
35:31.4
so developing that
35:32.4
minimum credible defense
35:33.4
and domain awareness capability
35:35.4
is very very important
35:36.4
to get the first level
35:39.4
you have to build
35:41.4
diplomatic alliances
35:42.4
military alliances
35:45.4
you reach a certain point
35:47.4
rerespetuin ka na ng kabila
35:49.4
you know even bullies
35:52.4
to certain realities
35:54.4
when they realize na palaban ka
35:55.4
and you're gonna stand your ground
35:56.4
they're gonna blink
36:00.4
look at their situation
36:01.4
with Australia among others
36:03.4
inaaway-aaway nila ang Australia
36:04.4
tinitreten-treten nila ang Australia
36:07.4
and eventually they had to blink
36:08.4
when they realize
36:09.4
palaban ng Australia
36:11.4
Australia is more advanced
36:12.4
and wealthier than the Philippines
36:15.4
what is Australia compared to China
36:17.4
what is Australia
36:18.4
not even 40 million people
36:19.4
compared to 1 billion of China
36:21.4
China's second largest economy
36:22.4
compared to what in Australia
36:24.4
when they stood the ground
36:27.4
this is what Vietnam has been doing
36:28.4
this is what Indonesia has been doing
36:29.4
this is what Indonesia has been doing
36:31.4
so a lot of our neighbors
36:32.4
who also have maritime disputes
36:33.4
or territorial disputes
36:35.4
they have also been standing the ground
36:37.4
you reach a certain threshold
36:40.4
your own capabilities
36:41.4
China will respect you
36:43.4
that's just how it works
36:45.4
kung puro ka lang
36:46.4
sir, sir, ma'am, sir
36:48.4
walang mangyayari sayo
36:49.4
this is what we did under Digong
36:53.4
because if you're
36:55.4
and purong subservience
36:56.4
pero wala kang leverage
36:59.4
tolerance capability
37:00.4
walang mangyayari dyan
37:01.4
you're not gonna get the respect
37:03.4
but if you stand your ground
37:04.4
but at the same time
37:07.4
make sure your rhetoric is
37:09.4
at a healthy level
37:10.4
then there's a far greater chance
37:12.4
that you will find
37:13.4
not maybe a compromise
37:15.4
it's hard to get a compromise
37:16.4
kasi territorial maritime disputes yan eh
37:18.4
sovereignty ang pinag-usapan
37:20.4
some sort of a modus vivendi
37:22.4
yun po yung hinanganap natin ngayon dito
37:24.4
sa West Philippines
37:25.4
so it's very very important mga kami eto
37:29.4
very basic things in mind
37:31.4
you keep those very basic things in mind
37:35.4
recap mga kami eto
37:38.4
if you look at ASEAN
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it's not a question of being pro-China
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or pro-United States per se
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possible exception of Cambodia
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which is very close to China
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and increasingly having also a relationship
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with the United States
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almost all ASEAN countries in one way or another
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don't wanna choose between the two sides
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good economic relationship with China
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because China is geographically too close
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it's a geographic reality
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and at the same time
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they wanna have some level of cooperation
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with the United States
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much higher of course
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in the case of the Philippines
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but also to a certain degree
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in the case of Thailand
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I mentioned Singapore for instance
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you know F-35 fighters
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the most advanced fighter jets
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you know fifth generation fighters right
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that it's getting from the United States
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also Indonesia is developing
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its defensive capability with the
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with the help of United States
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they're getting F-16 fighters
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they're getting F-16 fighters
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so you wanna have the defense relationship
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with the United States
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also the economic relationship with China
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pero pag binuli ka ng isa
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you have room for maneuver right
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but you do not fully choose between
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one side over the other side
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because once you do that
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once you burn the bridges
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then two bad things happen
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automatically kalaban mo yung isang super power
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and pangalawa what's gonna happen is that
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automatically you're over dependent
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on another super power
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and what you might end up actually as
38:52.4
you might end up on the menu right
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if you don't know how to play this
38:55.4
if you don't know how to play it
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between the two sides
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now this so-called hedging strategy
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I mentioned is useful in conditions
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whereby it's not an all-out conflict
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between the superpowers
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in conditions where there is no fear
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and I think we're still there
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so short of that situation
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I think hedging is the best strategy
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don't align with one side over the other totally
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but have some room for maneuver
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lean on one side more than the other
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if one side is more threatening to you
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and one side is more helpful to you
39:22.4
at least on this issue
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but at the same time
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be open to changing that position
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depending on the facts on the ground
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reliability for ally
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diplomacy yung dun sa mga kaaway mo
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in terms of you know
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the realities of your military capabilities
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but as I always said
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the most important thing
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the most important thing
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is develop your own defensive
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and deterrence capability
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because once you become
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at least a poison shrimp
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or even better a porcupine
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magdadalaw ang isip mga bullies
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because you can hurt them big time
39:53.4
so this is why it's important
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na hindi tayo magpag-gaslight sa Pilipinas
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it is not our fault
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we should not be faulted
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for fighting for our own sovereign rights
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and as far as tensions in the region is concerned
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it's not because we are claiming
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85% of the South China Sea Basin
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it's because there's one country claiming
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what belongs to Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei
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that's the source of problem
40:17.4
but having said that
40:18.4
you cannot just all be punches
40:20.4
you also have to be able to engage
40:22.4
and it's getting that balance
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it's very difficult
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but that's exactly what we should do in the Philippines
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find the perfect balance
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but while we're finding the perfect balance
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let's do our assignments
40:32.4
let's do the minimum
40:33.4
and let's protect what we can protect
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in the West Philippine Sea
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and I say so far in fairness
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I think we're moving in the right direction
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I don't think there's going to be war
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God willing, of course
40:42.4
there's always unknown unknowns
40:45.4
but as far as what we know
40:47.4
and even unknown knowns
40:53.4
this is a psychological game
40:55.4
we shouldn't bully
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become self-defeating
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that's a very very important thing
41:04.4
and let's do our assignment in the meantime
41:06.4
and the more we have self-respect
41:08.4
and the more we develop our own capabilities
41:10.4
the more our allies will be interested in helping us
41:12.4
and the more the bullies will think twice
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before bullying us
41:16.4
thank you very much mga kameta
41:17.4
I hope you appreciated this
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quite mini lecture about
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how ASEAN countries are dealing with China
41:23.4
and how should we find our own perfect balance
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when we deal with China
41:27.4
so it's not about being pro-China, pro-US
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I don't think we have to go down that road
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it's about finding the proper balance
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between US and China
41:35.4
when we deal with the superpowers
41:36.4
and at the same time
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it's about protecting our red lines
41:39.4
and making sure there's a baseline
41:41.4
when it comes to dealing with other powers
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with one superpower
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we do not have any maritime or territorial disputes
41:47.4
they may have done horrible things hundred years ago
41:49.4
or they were not a good ally for the past 50 years
41:52.4
we can debate about that
41:53.4
but the other side is the one bullying us
41:55.4
in the West Philippine Sea
41:56.4
so also be wary of false equivalents
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the West Philippine Sea also should not be
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the entirety of our relationship with other powers
42:06.4
we have to make sure that on other issues
42:09.4
we can find some sort of common understanding
42:11.4
but never compromise yung mga baselines mo
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that's very important
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on that note thank you very much
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maraming salamat sa lahat ng mga kameta natin
42:18.4
thank you so much for really a fantastic week
42:20.4
I always enjoy having this kind of conversations
42:23.4
because while I'm talking to you guys
42:25.4
napapaisip rin ako
42:26.4
while I'm talking to you guys
42:27.4
nagigets ko rin na
42:28.4
paano natin i-explain ito mga issue na ito
42:30.4
how do we find the
42:31.4
also find our own right balance
42:34.4
to make it theoretically sound
42:36.4
but at the same time not too academic
42:38.4
and not too boring right
42:40.4
hindi yan madali especially if it's like
42:42.4
almost end of the week na
42:43.4
almost 11pm na diba
42:45.4
but this is the challenge
42:46.4
and I always appreciate this challenge
42:48.4
this is the least I can do
42:49.4
this is the least I can do
42:50.4
help in terms of raising critical thinking
42:53.4
pagdating sa West Philippine Sea
42:54.4
at the end of the day
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I want you guys to decide on your own
42:56.4
choose for your own
42:57.4
what is the best way forward
42:59.4
pero huwag kayong magpa
43:03.4
huwag tayong mag-uto-uto
43:05.4
ah magkagira na yun na yan
43:07.4
or diba yung mga ganyan
43:12.4
tsaka psychological games yan
43:13.4
huwag tayong magpa-cywar lang
43:18.4
China is not Russia
43:20.4
it's a much more rational
43:21.4
and self-constrained
43:22.4
and self-restrained super power
43:24.4
and it's a neighbor
43:26.4
we have to find an understanding with them
43:28.4
we have to have self-respect
43:29.4
and make our red lines clear
43:32.4
nakita natin with other kapit-pahay natin
43:34.4
kaya din natin yan
43:36.4
the last thing we need is
43:37.4
going back to Degong style
43:39.4
I love you enough
43:40.4
that I get nothing
43:42.4
things getting worse in the West Philippine Sea
43:43.4
it's not just about peace
43:44.4
of course everyone wants peace
43:45.4
but peace has to come first
43:46.4
but peace has to come with justice
43:48.4
and justice also means
43:49.4
that the Philippine's legitimate sovereign rights
43:51.4
have to be respected
43:53.4
thank you very much
43:55.4
paulit-ulit na ako
43:56.4
but mahalaga yan eh
44:00.4
thank you sa lahat ng mga sumusuporta natin
44:03.4
for more discussion along these lines
44:04.4
and also for more collaborations
44:09.4
baka maganda siguro
44:10.4
tatlo kami ni Ronald
44:11.4
tsaka Walden Belio
44:12.4
para medyo diversity of views na lang
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dito sa West Philippine Sea
44:16.4
I think each of us
44:17.4
have a very unique take on this
44:18.4
thank you very much
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i-upload ko rin yung itong version
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para makita niyo mga graphics
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thank you so much
