A special RRM episode.

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Alright, ito na, ito na yung finale natin for this week, hopefully tomorrow, and of course, welcome to the new month, December, napakasayang November, dami namin mga RRM, RRL, so ito, let's get the ball rolling.

Now, Smartmatic, Ronald, I want to start with you first and then I'll go to Mark, no?

Let's be honest, Ronald, you and I, hindi naman dismissive, pero semi-skeptical tayo dun sa yung mga grupo na nagsabi na buong election ay questionable last year.

Because of course, skeptic doesn't mean na nega ka, skeptic means na show me the evidence, show me the real evidence, hindi lang marites.

At now, after months of questioning yung integrity ng the infrastructure of elections noong 2022, ito na, officially na, parang inaamit ng Comelec na problematic pala itong Smartmatic na ito at binabanned na sila from participation in future bidding proceedings.

What's going on there? I mean, I don't think it got as much attention.

Dahil nga nangyari yung Katnil, nangyari itong SMNI, but I think this is very important, di ba?

Anong basa mo dyan, Ronald? And then I'll go to Mark, because the issue of election result denial and the fact that, and yung argument na hindi naman talaga nanalo si BBM, dapat si Lenny or I don't know, Isco or whoever, that has not gone away.

So, Ronald, what is your read on this?

Well, una, we did deconstruct natin itong nangyari, no? Na pinagbawalan ang Smartmatic na pumasok sa mga bidding para sa mga eleksyon sa Pilipinas.

For now, yung issue is bribery. Sila ay nag-bribe para manalo dito sa mga bidding na ito. So, wala pa dyan nung usapin nung nandaya ba, may massive cheating ba, et cetera.

Yung smoking gun ay hindi pa pinag-uusapan dyan. Although, it would be indicative kung nababribe mo yung mga tao sa Comelec, et cetera, para manalo.

Sa bidding, ay baka...

It's not a quantum leap.

It's not a quantum leap.

Hindi naman kakabait para magkaroon ng integrity yung eleksyon. Pero sinasabi ko lang, wala pa ron. Wala pa yung smoking gun.

But it's a good step para linisin yung ating electoral system.

Nagsimula kasi yung Smartmatic noong 2008. Nagkaroon ng pilot sa ARMM, Autonomous Region of Maslim, Mindanao.

Doon sinubukan yung ating first computerized election.

Can you give us a little bit of the history, Ronald? Kasi Pinoy, si Pinoy was the first, I think, president na na-elect base sa automated elections.

Yes.

Pwede natin pag-usapan nito. Kasi dyan nagsimula yung hocus-pocus, all of that automation.

Ang gulo naman yung manual. Ang gulo-gulo yung manual.

Yes, yes.

Can you give us the history? Yung kasaysayan ng manual, Hello Garcia, all the recount, all the problems.

Can you go into the automated? Salamat, Ronald.

Kaya wala naman ako narinig na bumalik sa manual. Ang mga proposals ay mixed, diba?

Yun yung tawag nila hybrid na system na merong computerized, merong manual.

Ganun yung proposal. Ngayon, paano yung permutations niyan? Kailangan pang pag-usapan.

Pero sinasabi ko lang, historically, dyan nagsimula yung Smartmatic.

ARMM election. Nakaharap ko nga dyan yung mga empat mo. Sabi sa akin, kilala kita.

Sabi ko sa kanila, yung provincial administrator, sabi ko rin, kilala rin kita.

Anong time na mayroon kayo dyan?

Dyan kami nagsikaharapan. Kasama ko si Senator Gordon. Siya yung head ng committee sa Senate for elections.

Dyan yung nangyari. Tapos sabi nung isang-ampatwan, buti na lang, wala kaming kalaban.

Kung hindi, ang dami-daming daliring pinutol.

Paano? Kailangan mo yung daliring para dun sa computerized.

Dalawa yung system na sinutunan yan.

Dalawang system. Yung PCOS ay isa lamang doon. May isa pang system na parang ATM card na sinubukan.

Sa Maguindanao, yung PCOS, katulad ng existing ngayon. Sa buong ARMM, yung isa pa.

Yung parang ATM card na election. Para lang maulawaan ng tao, saan ito nagsimula.

At first national ay noong 2010. Kung saan nanalo si Pinoy.

Pero mahihirapan namang mandaya sila Pinoy dahil ang gobyerno noon si Arroyo, si GMC.

Ay, sabi nga ako kalapan kasi nag-OI.

Baka mas malaki pa nga yung boto ni Pinoy kung sakaling hindi sila yung incumbent.

So doon na nagsimula yung mga yan. Tapos nagkaroon ng mga problema sa transmission.

Bakit nga nade-delay ito? Bakit ito napakabilis?

Yan yung naging proseso ng Smartmatic.

Tapos yung mga machines. Yung mga machines ba ay pwedeng i-replicate?

Ano ang sabi? Ay gwardyadong-gwardyado yung mga PCOS machines.

Pero may nabalitaan naman na may gumagala na PCOS machines.

Convincing politicians na suportahan yung grupo na yun dahil kaya silang ipanalo using the PCOS machines.

So dyan na nalakaroon ng notoriety yung computerized system.

May mga naglalako na kaya namin kayo ipanalo dahil hawak namin ang PCOS machines.

Tingin ko maraming kumita dyan sa inyong buhay.

Pero kaya nating pangalalaan.

In false promises of automation manipulation?

From my vantage point, I think false promises.

Hindi po naman pwedeng baguhin. Hindi po pwedeng dayain yung isang mayor or isang governor, isang kongresista

na hindi mo ginagalaw yung buhay.

Hindi mo ginagalaw yung buhay.

Hindi mo ginagalaw yung buhay.

Sabi ng mga kilala kong IT experts, kailangan galawin mo yung buong system.

Hindi pwedeng partial lang.

Dahil isang system yan eh.

Tapos yung mga political parties may access dun sa central command yung system na ito.

So hindi ganong kadali.

Tingin ko nothing is impossible in the Philippines pero mahirap.

At wala, up to na, wala namang napatunayan pa.

May mga delays, may mga kaso ng bribery.

At wala dito sa smart party.

Pero yung integrity ng buong process ay hindi ko pa sigurado.

At least wala pa akong nakikita kabedensya.

Yun nga eh Ronald.

I mean, for me, still the serious issues, vote buying, disenfranchisement, political violence.

Yun talagang totoo yan. Malaking problema.

For me, parang bago ka pa bumoto, nangyari na yung dayaan na yan eh.

Intimidation, bribery, vote buying.

That already tells you problematic yung election process natin.

So I think that's the problem.

When you focus too much dun sa automated elections, you're forgetting the pre-election manipulation and cheating.

Which is really, and properly, investigated.

But for some reason, yung mga hindi natuwa sa election last year,

tinitignan lang nila itong issue ng smartmatic, automation, they're forgetting.

But Mark, I want to go to you because ganyan naman eh.

Noong 2016, nung natalo naman si BBM, sinisisi naman si Lenny,

sinisabi nila, oh kasi si ganyan, ganyan.

Yun nga eh, walang katapusan yan.

Kaya nga, ang biro sa atin, wala naman natatalo, nadadayaan lang.

Nalo lang sa election.

Like, I just feel na hindi ito sign of maturity of our elections.

At hindi na pwede bumalik sa manual.

Diyos ko, naalala mo nung time na minamanual nila, nung Hello Garcy time and all.

Hindi na pwede.

So talagang, pati India nga, yung mga mahirap na bansa, automated na sila or hybrid, katulad ng sinisabi ni Ron.

Last point lang, Richard.

Okay, Ron, at hindi na nabanggit mo.

Halik tayo kay Mark.

Last point lang, no?

Nung nabanggit mo, dahil nagreklamo si BBM kay Lenny ng election fraud.

So pinapili.

Ron Comelec, saan mo ba gustong buksan, random?

No? Random.

Buksan, yung mga tingin mo ay ginakaya ka.

So namili ng mga provinces si BBM.

Tapos nagkaroon ng manual count.

Binuksan yung mga balota.

Ang nangyari, tumaas pa ang boto ni Lenny.

No?

Tumaas pa yung boto niya.

Doon sa mga pinili ni BBM, na ang tingin niya nagkaroon ng dayaan.

So, sinasabi ko lang, walang smoking gun para sabihin,

na nagamit yung sistema.

Posible na meron.

Ang problema ay tatangat na nga yung Comelec para sa kanilang pagpapaliwanag.

Kaya nagiging vulnerable sila eh.

Dahil hindi sila maayos pagpaliwanag.

Yung kanilang IT experts, eh hindi masyadong experts.

Tapos yung chairman ng Comelec, nahihirapang magpaliwanag.

Si James Jimenez, nawala, di ba?

Nawala si James, di ba?

Yung magaling nilang spokesman.

Oo, tinanggal.

Tinanggal si James.

So, nahihirapan sila magpaliwanag.

Yan ang nangyayari.

Pero sabi ng PPCRB, sabi ng Namprel, sabi mismo ng campaign machinery ni Lenny,

for now, for now, wala pa silang nakikitang ebidensya ng massive cheating.

So, kaya ang pinapabuksan ng TNT Rio, ni Rio,

ay yung logs para magkaroon ng smoking gun.

Yun ang kanilang pinapabuksan at this point.

Ibig sabihin, kahit sila, medyo circumstantial pa yung ebidensya.

Kahit sila.

I like your term, eh.

Kasi the threshold should be a smoking gun, eh.

I don't think we're there yet.

But then again, we're not dismissing concerns with unreliable connections.

We're just saying, hindi pa ito smoking gun.

It's a sign that we should look more into it.

Pero hindi pa rin smoking gun.

Ikaw, Mark, bago tayo babalik kay Ronald,

kasi alam ko yung style ni Ronald,

kung sino ilabas na kami, bago niya makalimutan,

malikot din pag-insultat kami.

Kaya ang dal-dal namin.

Kasi nakot kami, makalimutan namin yung point.

So, we have to get out.

So, we have to get out.

So, sorry talaga, Mark, kung madal-dal kami pa rin.

But, Mark, ikaw, bilang isang blogger,

someone who's looking at this as a non-expert,

I mean, none of us are IT expert,

but kind of a non-elections expert.

Anong basa mo dito sa issue na yan

ng election denialism?

And isn't this parang a convenient way

of overlooking problems with campaigning,

overlooking more serious issue with vote buying?

Or sa tingin mo, talagang hocus-pocus talaga ito,

and talagang dapat titignan ng mabuti?

Hindi, parang kita na,

any, yung malaking evidence talaga

para sa mga dayaan.

Pero, parehong sides meron eh.

Diba, yung sa TN3 yung nga,

tapos kay Maharlika,

si Nagnen Chong naman,

mga sinasabi din sila about sa KOMEN.

Pero yung sa tao, parang it doesn't resonate

gan sa...

...lang sa mga...

Oo, nag-survey siya.

Medyo nag-disconnick, Mark.

But, your point is,

hindi ito masyadong reflected,

kasi if you look at the surveys by SWS and Pulse Asia,

vast majority of Filipinas accepted the result of elections, diba?

Even though they know that may problem pa rin here and there.

Pero overall, accepted nila yung results.

Overall, accepted naman.

And I don't see any talaga.

Ang concern ko lang din,

like, itong wala na sa Smartmatic,

enough time kaya para makabili ng mga bagong kailangan ng mga ano,

and sino yung papalit sa Smartmatic?

Correct.

That's the thing.

Ito nga yung territory eh.

Parang...

...baka yung pumalit sa Smartmatic, mas malala pala.

Problematic, exactly.

Mas problematic.

Oo.

Yung results.

Good question.

Yeah, that was actually my next point, Mark eh.

I wanted to ask you about...

Sorry, Mark, you're cutting a little bit.

Can I get back to Ronald while you're feeling it?

Ronald, ikaw, don't you think this is opening a can of worms?

Because Smartmatic is quote-unquote, you know, the devil you know.

I mean, if you are gonna be skeptical about this.

Although, of course, to be fair, Smartmatic has denied

that there was something mambo-jombo and they said they should be given proper due process to explain their side.

Ako naman, I've met people from the IT people, from different companies.

So I try to listen to different sides naman.

So I'm not...

At least...

I'm not coming down with a judgment against one side or the other.

Ikaw, Ronald.

At least, Richard, meron ko bang more than one and a half years.

So hindi ganun kalapit sa eleksyon.

Ikalawa, meron na tayong learning curve.

What went wrong?

Kailangan lang i-summarize yan.

Transmission, et cetera.

So kailangan iipan niya what went wrong, maliban sa bribery na main case against Smartmatic.

At ikatlo, since 2008, mas marami lang ngayon yung mga firms na pwedeng kausapin.

Tignan natin yung kanilang system, no?

At mas marami na rin mga Pilipino na nakakaunawa diyan.

Mas marami ng mga IT experts kumpara ng 2008 saka 2010.

That was...

That was, kung ano, ha?

That was, ano ba yan, no?

Fifteen...

Fifteen years ago.

Ang daming nangyari sa technology in fifteen years.

So ibig sabihin, pwede tayong maghanap ng mas advanced, mas efficient, at mas less prone

to electoral fraud.

Yun na naman sinasabi ko.

Pwedeng hindi, no?

Pwedeng...

Dahil hindi naman tayo yung titigil, eh.

Hindi naman tayo yung pipili, no?

Baka suspect yung pipili.

Pero at least, may mga opportunities ngayon, no?

Time, one and a half years.

Learning curve, lessons from fifteen years.

So, hindi naman tayo yung pipili.

Pwede naman tayo yung pipili.

Pero at least, may mga opportunities ngayon, no?

Time, one and a half years.

Learning curve, lessons from fifteen years.

Tapos ating new skill set, marami na tayo mga millennials at saka Generation Z na magaling

sa IT, no?

At marami na rin ngayong technology for sale na pwede nating suriin ng gusto kumpara

noong 2008, kumpara noong 2009.

Diba?

Kaya sa akin, in summing, no?

In the balance sheet, baka mas positive.

Na nawala.

So, Ronald, ganito ang point ko, ah.

So, BBM, under the Smartmatic regime, lost one election, won another elections.

Yung kabila, pink, they lost one, they won one.

2016.

But the Duterte's did very well during the Smartmatic era.

They won 2016, they won 2019, they won 2022.

So, you can see my question.

If 2025 comes and the Duterte camp doesn't win well, and it's very possible that that

could happen, mam, wipe out sila.

Don't you think that?

Don't you think na gagamitin nila itong issue ng Smartmatic?

Ay, kasi yung pinalit nyo sa Smartmatic, do you see, Mark, diba, where this could go?

Diba?

Kasi ang Duterte's did very well during the Smartmatic era.

They won 2016, they won 2019, they won 2022.

Wala pa silang talo sa mga elections so far, eh.

And then now, pagkakilala, wala nang Smartmatic, pwede maging issue yan.

Lahat naman gagamitin, Richard.

Exactly.

That's my point.

This could be weaponized.

Lahat gagamitin nila.

Ang tanong yan ay, makakastimulate ba yan ng critical data?

At yung critical mass na yan ay luluso ba sa pala kanya?

Katulad ng S3, diba?

So may...

Yung kay-ERAP.

Mayroon ka pang several if.

Lalo na kung sakali matutuloy yung ICC at nandun na sila sa DENHAB at hindi na sila

makakapag-communicate sa kanilang base at sa kanilang mga bloggers.

So yun yung...

Bakit may Zoom naman, ah?

Pero yun naman, si Richard, yung DENHAB, yung DENHAB, yung DENHAB, yung DENHAB, yung DENHAB,

pwede rin sila mag-Zoom.

Hindi siya papayagan.

Ay, di sila papayagan.

Kaya nga yung...

Kaya nga si Milo Suvic,

nagsuicide, diba.

Daano yan?

drip.

Lagat-drip.

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Sarali ako rin lang.

officially hmm.

Yung sinasabi na magsisiside si Digong

Huwag naman

Ronald, I wanna ask you something else

And then siguro hopefully

Medyo more okay yung

Kay Mark shortly

Now

Don't you think na BBM

Was expecting na tutulungan siya

Ni Digong nung chine-challenge na yung

Election loss niya

Nung 2016 and then

Parang hindi siya tinulungan ni Digong

Do you think may bitterness from that

Period, diba?

Kasi feeling ko may expectation talaga sila, diba?

Dahil ayon ni Digong kay Lenny

He would, you know, lean on where he has to

Lean on and

But it didn't happen eh

Parang I don't think BBM, Duterte even

Wanted to help the Marcoses because he knows

Baka minimal yung

Pwedeng gawin ni Digong

In fairness sa kanya

It's beyond his control

Ang ginawa kasi ni BBM, pinabuksan yung mga balota eh

Yung ballot boxes

Pinabuksan yan, natingin niya

Dinaya siya

Eh, under lock and key yun eh

Yung mga panayan

At ipakita yung consistency

Nung mga bibilangin na balota

Manually

Dun sa result ng election

So, hindi ganun

At bagong presidente pa lang si Puanon eh

Si Digong eh

So, baka wala naman siyang wherewithal

Para tulungan

Si BBM

Para maging in favor

Yung recount, diba?

Ang nangyari pa nga, tumaas pa nga si Lenny

Ibig sabihin, yun yung tunay na laman ng mga balota

The reason I'm asking

Kano ah

Tinulungan naman niya si BBM

Na ilibig sa libingan ng mga bayani

Yung tatay, diba?

Tapos sinabi niya

But that's my point eh

But baka I was just ticking the box

Remember, this is the president who directly challenged the Supreme Court Chief Justice

And was accused of engineering

The downfall of the former Chief Justice Sereno

So, if you're Marco

Marco, sorry, not Marco

Mark Gambawa

You're thinking, well, this is a president who can get away with a lot

Maybe he can, you know, lean a little bit

Yeah, yeah

Pero baka mahirapan

Pero baka mahirapan

Nabaguhin yung resulta ng eleksyon

Both manual at saka digital

Yun yung sinasabi ko

Baka mahirapan si Digong

At that time

Kung yun ang direction

Ng iyong argumento

Baka mahirapan

Pero may kinuha siya na pabor

Sa mga Marcoses

Pinanalo nila si Aimee sa midterm

Tapos nagpasalamat siya

Na hindi siya magiging presidente

Kung hindi dahil sa mga Marcoses

At pinalibing sa libingan ng bayan

Marami siyang ginawa

Marami siyang ginawa

Noong first few years

Pero even that may limits

Hindi naman niya pwedeng buksan

Yung mga lock and key na mga balota

At hindi niya pa pwedeng baguhin

Yung resulta

Noong electronic election

Noong computerized election

In the same breath

Baka mahirapan din siya

Kaya tingin ko medyo mahirap

Kung sakaling ganun ang magiging tulong

Na inaasahan ni BBM

Pero yung predicate

Nagsimula noong panahon ni Digong

Para magiging presidente

Si BBM

Bakit?

Dinemonize nila si Lenny

Dinemonize nila si Lenny

At hindi mahirapan ng umahon si Lenny Ron

Ikala?

Kaya ginawa ay binild up na nila yung Marcos S

Posible pinayagan na nila pumasok

Yung mga pera ng Marcos S

Na hindi yung mangyayari noong panahon ni Pinoy

Kaya maraming makinarya

Maraming mga resources

Yung Marcos S

Pagdating ng 2022 election

So baka meron silang ibang ginawa na tulong

So it's not just the unity

Okay final points gentlemen

Mark

Okay so where do you see things going?

Ito patapos ng taon 2023

Daming mga love teams ay tapos na

Wala na

Aldob, Catniel, whatever

Are you expecting na itong parating na mga

Mga bakasyon

Magsiselfie ulit at glamour shot

Ang unit team

Yung mga I'm your biggest fan

Sarah

And then Sarah says

Thank you so much for your support

Dito yung magkakaroon ng mga ganyan love team

Charot

It's coming with

Showings

Wait lang Mark

Nagka-cut ka ulit

I don't know why

You wanna talk straight to the phone

Without the earphones

Baka mas okay

Tanggalin mo na lang kayo yung earphone mo

Baka mas marinig ka

Ayan okay

Claro pala eh

Ayan

Yes go

Tanggalin mo na lang yung earphones mo

Mas claro

Ayan okay

Actually

Wag ka na lang mag-earphones

Mas maganda yata

Ayan okay naman

Ayan

So ayan

Sa 2025

Kung anong groupings

Yung pwedeng mangyari

Si PRRD

Kung tatakbo

For senator

Kung hindi pa

Kung hindi pa

Mangyari yung sa ICC

And

Sino yung sasama kay Sarah

Sino yung sasama kay

Martin

Kay BBM

So yun ang

Mas excited ako na makita

And paano maapektuhan lahat

Kung meron na tayong bagong

Provider ng ano

Mga election machines

Yeah

Yeah

Thank you so much for that

Candidate number one

Thank you so much for that

Candidate number two

From Quezon City

Ronald Llamas

Ano nga natin dyan

What to look forward to

This coming holidays

Very exciting

Dahil every month

Every week

May bago kong kabanata

Yung ating House of Cards

At saka Game of Thrones

Diba

Kaya

Kaya humahataw

Yung mga katulad

Ni Richard Haidarian

Dahil ang daming nangyayari

Na pwedeng pag-usapan

Diba

Malibang kay Kapiel

No

Huwag mong kalimutan

Richard

No

Yung ating

Christmas Convoy

Pupunta na

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

Tuloy na

Tuloy na

No

Mark

Sama ka ulit

Magpag-asa tayo

So

Tingin ko

Hanggang Pasko

Hanggang New Year

Maraming mga developments

No

Kaya ilabas ang popcorn

Ang potato chips

No

At saka

Ang Coke Zero

Nakatulad ng ating love life

Maraming salamat

For the

Tukut line

May may

Talagang pinipilit mo Ronald

No

Next time

Time na natin

Pag-usapan

Itong

Teligatong kasama to

Thank you so much again

To Mark Gamboa

For joining us

Alam

Maharlik

Thank you

Thank you very much also

To my

Other favorite

Itong mga favorite

Host ko yan eh

Ronald Diamas

Aba si Ronald

Ngayon

Namiss ka namin Mark

Wait lang

Nauna si Mark

Teligat

Alam mo ito yung

Parang si Tatay

Hindi kang pumunta sa China

Sabi niya

It's me

Russia and China

Against the world

Sabi ni

Wait

What

Hey

Wait what

Sabi nung Syria

Hey

Asad

Andito na kami

Alam mo yung

Nagdidigong style siya eh

Kamin na lang

Against the world

Parang sabi ni

Delicado

What?

Delicado mga scoundrels

When they show softness

Ayan

Pero mahal na pati ka namin

Ronald

And

I'm really proud

And happy of this collaboration

Daming natuwa

So

Armat

Salamat Richard

Salamat

Pero sana may ibang

Naglalab sa akin

Yan

Sabi niya Ronald

Ayusin natin

Yung Coke Zero life mo

Pero mag-diet ka muna

For now

At ikaw Mark

Ang bawa

Tuloy-tuloy lang

Ang skin care

Napakaganda ang

Skin products

Yata natin

Hindi maganda

Yung connection

But I can see

Your skin care

So maybe next time

Pwede natin pag-usapan

Yung negosyo mo

With the skin care

Salamat guys

God bless

And mabuhay po

Tuloy po

Maraming salamat

God bless