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00:02.4
No, I mean, before we talk about the SM&I issue,
00:05.4
because there's a hearing as we speak right now
00:07.9
na mukhang mag-all-in na,
00:10.0
baka matanggalan na talaga sila ng franchise as things go.
00:13.3
Before we go, we just want to go back dun sa previous episode natin
00:17.1
because I wanted to ask you, Senator Ronald,
00:18.4
don't you think na if itong Christmas convoy nyo ito tuloy?
00:22.3
Again, this is not gaslighting.
00:24.0
I'm the last person.
00:24.7
I'm the one who's saying we have to assert ourselves.
00:26.5
But, di ba, baka we give China to more, even more excuse
00:30.1
na magpadala sila ng isang daan or isang libong mga barko dyan
00:34.6
para sabihin, oh, kami rin, magkakonvoy kami sa Chinese New Year
00:37.4
or something like that.
00:38.5
Hindi kaya concerned na baka you create this kind of excuse?
00:41.3
Parang yung pinag-uusapan natin kanina,
00:44.9
ang hirap mag-hold water ng ganong arguments.
00:48.9
Dahil itong kaharap nila, nakita mo naman, di ba,
00:51.2
yung magkakadikit na mga big boats,
00:53.2
these are ships, magkakadikit.
00:55.9
Tapos sa likod nila, nagsaswarm.
00:59.6
Tapos ito, mga bangka,
01:01.2
paano mo gagamitin itong convoy na ito
01:03.5
as a reason for further swarming?
01:07.3
Medyo, baka matawa.
01:09.6
Matawa yung buong mundo.
01:11.2
Kumamit ka ng ibang argumento.
01:13.2
These are small bangka.
01:15.6
Ridiculous masyado.
01:17.3
Now, speaking of ridiculous,
01:19.8
we could argue it either or both.
01:23.1
Well, we have right now as we speak, di ba,
01:25.9
an ongoing semi-trial of SMNI, di ba,
01:31.6
na talagang pinagalitan sila.
01:33.5
Because now, the SMNI,
01:35.2
especially the folks who oversaw the story of itong
01:38.6
supposedly million-million na ginastos ni Speaker of the House,
01:43.3
they're being squeezed right now
01:44.7
and they're being pushed to reveal their sources.
01:47.2
At alam natin, of course, Ronald,
01:48.4
you and I have worked with the media,
01:50.1
you have worked in the media,
01:50.9
I am part of the media,
01:51.9
na there's a confidentiality business there, etc.
01:55.9
You cannot bully journalists or reporters
01:58.4
to give up their sources, right,
02:00.6
to embarrass them, etc.
02:01.7
or threaten them.
02:02.9
At the same time, this is SMNI.
02:05.3
Like, they're not necessarily a paragon of,
02:07.8
you know what I'm saying,
02:08.9
like, filling the gap, right?
02:11.4
So, I mean, don't you feel,
02:12.9
I can say we have friends,
02:13.9
like, including people from Rappler online
02:15.9
saying that, you know,
02:17.0
I'm not a fan of SMNI,
02:18.6
but this is a dangerous precedence, right?
02:20.6
Because anytime, let's say,
02:21.6
there is a real expose by real media,
02:25.9
nabubulin sila ng media,
02:27.1
or you can just say,
02:29.6
wala na, the genie's out.
02:30.7
The moment na tinanggan nila
02:31.9
yung franchise ng ABS-CBN,
02:33.4
you already opened the floodgates na
02:35.0
this could happen to anyone.
02:37.5
It just happens that it's now SMNI
02:41.7
What is your opinion on this SMNI saga?
02:44.5
Well, first of all, Richard,
02:46.7
of course, ayaw natin ma-weaponize
02:48.8
itong ganitong klaseng
02:50.1
mga franchises sa media, no?
02:54.3
hindi natin gusto
02:56.5
yung nangyari sa ABS-CBN.
02:58.6
But in another sense,
02:59.9
this is parang poetic justice.
03:02.2
This is parang karma, no?
03:04.2
Pwedeng sabihin nung iba,
03:05.7
not exactly the franchise, no?
03:07.9
Pero yung mga pagbatikos
03:09.4
sa SMNI on this level,
03:11.9
parang long overdue.
03:14.0
Dahil matagal na naman silang
03:15.2
perpetrator ng fake news.
03:17.2
Matagal na naman silang
03:18.2
perpetrator ng red tagging.
03:20.5
At itong kanilang pinaperpetuate
03:22.3
ay hindi lamang innocent,
03:24.3
dahil lives were lost, no?
03:27.2
Ang daming namatay, eh.
03:28.4
So pwede mo itong i-connect
03:29.5
doon sa libo-libong mga namatay
03:33.1
yung mga political killings,
03:35.9
So hindi siya very innocent.
03:38.3
I-elevate ko nga siya,
03:40.0
hindi lang doon sa banat sa speaker, eh.
03:42.5
Of course, nung binanatan yung speaker,
03:45.6
medyo maraming mga kumilos
03:50.0
Pero even before na ginawa yan,
03:52.3
maraming na silang krimen na ginagawa.
03:54.3
In relation sa EJK,
03:56.6
in their thousands,
03:57.8
in relation sa red tagging, no?
04:00.3
In relation sa political assassinations,
04:03.2
no? Parang kakutsaba sila, eh.
04:06.7
at the minimum, tatawagin ko ito na
04:08.2
poetic justice. Tatawagin ko ito na
04:12.1
Itong mga pangyayaring ito.
04:14.2
Lalo na, yung may-ari
04:16.0
ay ang daming kaso sa US.
04:18.6
Money laundering, human trafficking,
04:24.3
Kaya, alimbawa, yung ginawang
04:27.8
pagtanggal sa kanila sa Facebook,
04:30.0
no? Ay dapat lamang
04:35.9
yung mga perpetrators ng fake news,
04:38.6
no? Ng ganitong klaseng
04:39.7
almost racist attack
04:42.2
against ideological
04:46.9
Ay dapat talaga mawala.
04:48.6
Ngayon, we have to
04:50.0
pag-usapan yung regulation yan.
04:52.1
Na huwag yan masyadong mawepo.
04:54.3
Nice, no? Pero in the case
04:58.0
nakikita mo naman, I'm crying
05:02.5
no? Naiiyak ako, no?
05:04.7
Saan ang may-ari sa kanila?
05:06.5
Dahil nag-i-invoke sila ngayon.
05:08.1
Akala ko sa Kath Neal pa yan.
05:09.8
Nag-i-invoke sila ng freedom of the press.
05:13.1
Nag-i-invoke sila ngayon
05:14.8
ng civil liberties, etc.
05:16.8
Ako ay naluluha ng gusto.
05:19.7
Patulad yung isang buhay.
05:26.0
Look into my eyes, no?
05:27.6
Nakikita mo ang panibugho.
05:30.0
Nakikita mo yung lungkot
05:31.5
sa ginagawa sa kanila.
05:35.5
R&R, maraming salamat
05:37.6
again for this series
05:39.4
of discussions we had today. Alam ko, pag-a-time pa ra.
05:41.5
May habol pa akong isa pang interview after this.
05:43.7
And I'm sure you're also very busy. Thank you again
05:45.3
for making time. But I just wanna ask
05:47.2
on this, I mean, again,
05:49.3
we hypothetically discussed this.
05:51.2
I have friends in ABS-CBN
05:54.3
na baka hindi na-interesado
05:55.9
ang kanilang management to get back
05:57.6
into the whole business. But do you see
05:59.4
a possibility that, you know, if SM&I
06:01.3
mawala ng franchise, baka ibigay yan
06:03.2
sa ABS-CBN or something like that?
06:09.6
mga ganon? Like, do you think that
06:11.2
could provide the space?
06:13.3
Or, baka, and whole new
06:15.3
group might come in na malapit dun sa
06:17.2
leadership ng Congress ngayon, na
06:19.1
walang kinalaman either with ABS-CBN
06:21.1
or SM&I. I mean, in terms of media
06:23.2
landscape, because there's also a lot of media landscape.
06:24.3
So, politically relevant, how do you see things going?
06:27.7
Baka mas yung later,
06:29.1
yung latter na sinasabi mo,
06:30.8
na a new group na mas malapit sa
06:32.5
powers.be ang bibili, kesa yung
06:34.7
ABS-CBN. Tingin ko, mas malayo
06:37.1
yun sa reality. Dahil
06:38.8
maraming problema yung ABS-CBN.
06:41.0
Parts nga ng ABS-CBN, binibili na eh.
06:43.7
Ng mga, ng biliyar,
06:45.5
ng pamilya ni speaker,
06:47.1
et cetera, no? So, baka
06:48.8
wala sa position ng ABS-CBN
06:50.7
na gawin yun. Baka mas yung
06:54.3
More feasible, no?
06:56.4
Dito sa mga nakikita natin pangyayari.
07:00.8
On that note, thank you very much.
07:02.6
And I'm not sure hopeful note, but
07:04.4
it's like a kind of
07:06.2
glass half empty, glass half full.
07:09.0
Thank you so much
07:12.3
co-host, Sir R&R.
07:14.4
And hopefully in the near future, we can arrange
07:16.4
also in person, no? With yung mga ibang
07:18.3
ka-host natin. I think Lelo is planning
07:20.4
to be back in town, maybe.
07:21.6
Lelo, with Lelo, you know?
07:23.2
Yeah, would be nice.
07:24.3
End of the year analysis
07:26.7
and things to look forward to. Parang year
07:28.4
ender episode na talagang
07:30.7
comprehensive. Important events
07:32.3
in the past year and the possible
07:35.7
in the next year.
07:38.6
Exactly. And I'm sure,
07:40.0
papatangin lang ng ibang vloggers yan,
07:42.1
tapos sabihin nila, analysis nila yan. But anyway,
07:44.5
hindi na natin kasalanan kung wala silang
07:46.6
respeto sa citation.
07:48.4
But thank you very much,
07:50.1
Secretary Ronald Llamas.
07:51.5
Maraming salamat, Big R.
07:53.5
Kahit ito yung first time na
07:54.8
nag-upload ako ng mic.
07:55.7
Oo, I wanted to say, ikaw pa nga mas level up sa akin.
07:58.8
Ako nga pa-blurred-blurred pa yung background.
08:01.7
Thank you so much, boss.
08:03.4
God bless and talk to you soon.
