00:20.0
So, Sir Mark Gambo
00:21.7
Ano po yung report dyan?
00:22.7
In fairness, Mark
00:23.4
Let me tell you this
00:26.3
Pinag-usapan natin sa RRM
00:27.9
Together with si OG Ronald
00:30.6
Na ikaw yung nagsabi talaga
00:33.7
Ikaw nagsabi na intense
00:36.7
So, nung nakita ko yung itong latest
00:39.3
Na pinakulong na sila
00:41.6
Hindi pala Badoy, sorry
00:47.7
Yung sinabi ng isang congressman
00:49.1
Don't give me that crap
00:50.1
Yung mga ganyan-ganyan
00:51.5
So, I think tama yung discussion natin
00:53.9
And I think yung report mo
00:56.1
Legit yung sinabi mo last Friday
00:57.7
It's very, very reflective
00:59.5
Of what's happening right now
01:00.5
Let's talk to you, bro
01:01.9
So, from since last week
01:03.3
Na pinag-usapan natin
01:05.3
What is your read of the situation?
01:08.7
Nag-attend ako nung ano eh
01:10.4
Nung araw mismo na
01:12.5
Na held in contempt
01:18.5
Nung pagdating doon nila Kairig
01:20.9
Naka-ready na yung mga damit
01:24.2
Naka-ready na lahat eh
01:27.1
He was ready na to
01:31.2
Kasi he wasn't going to give up his source daw
01:35.3
Kung sino yung nagsabi nung 1.8 billion
01:37.4
Sinasabi niya nung unang hearing
01:41.2
Wala akong abogado
01:42.3
Kaya gusto niyang patanggal sa record
01:44.0
Yung mga sinabi doon
01:45.3
Sabi, bakit mo kami diniligtahan?
01:47.4
Kung ano yung nasa record
01:49.3
Hindi ka nagsama ng abogado
01:50.7
So, ngayon nagkasama na siyang abogado
01:52.7
Tapos may sinasabi siya ng mga iba't-ibang ano
01:58.2
And yung kanilang freedom
01:59.8
Pero that whole time
02:04.2
Diba yung SOTO Law
02:05.3
In the previous episode
02:11.4
Ang ganda nung ano
02:12.6
Ang ganda nung sa SOTO Law
02:17.0
They keep on saying na
02:21.7
Binasa pa niya eh
02:23.5
Na hindi mo kailangang i-give up
02:26.8
Kung journalist ka
02:27.7
Pero he also read
02:36.5
National security
02:38.2
So it's ka rin ang bumasa
02:42.2
Meron palang caveat
02:43.2
Apticable lang ito
02:45.3
Kung journalist ka talaga
02:47.1
Ang laking issue na
02:48.0
How do you define a journalist
02:49.3
The accreditation process
02:50.6
Is not as straightforward
02:51.6
As being an engineer
02:54.9
Sinasinabi ni Ka Eric
02:56.7
National security
02:57.9
Kasi nagtatanong lang kami
03:02.4
Si Congressman Tambunting
03:03.8
Yung chairperson ng
03:10.0
Ng information dito
03:11.3
Na hindi namin alam
03:13.8
Of national security
03:23.6
Ang dami nagko-comment
03:24.9
Every time na nire-raise
03:25.8
Kung issue na yan
03:26.5
Nasa airport ako sa Singapore
03:28.2
I discussed the SOTO log
03:30.9
It's not even about
03:31.9
Whether he's a journalist or not
03:33.4
Mukhang wala talaga
03:39.4
Ito pa yung nangyari
03:41.1
Hindi ko natapos eh
03:42.1
Pero may mga parts ako na panood
03:43.5
Yung interesting na parts
03:49.3
Try to help Ka Eric
03:53.4
Executive session
04:02.6
Kami lang sa congress
04:04.2
Yung nasa loob ng room na yun
04:10.3
Point mo na lang siya
04:14.9
Meron talagang duda
04:16.8
Baka naman wala talaga
04:18.1
Baka naman walang source talaga
04:23.6
Yun ang hindi naisip
04:48.4
Itatanong ko na to
04:49.8
Ito yung problema
04:50.9
Ito yung problema
04:57.6
Cellphone records
05:01.0
Kung yung story niya
05:06.7
And they can do that
05:12.4
Nagutuloy si Kaerik
05:18.2
Kung talagang gawin
05:19.8
Pumunta sila sa telco
05:49.7
National security
06:10.8
Pinag-usapan natin
06:13.4
Parang point na is
06:18.7
Nagbabago na talaga
06:21.5
Last year pa natin
06:25.7
Noon pala nakita natin
06:27.5
Magkakaroon talaga
06:28.5
Ng malaking hidwaan to
06:30.0
The divorce was coming
06:31.0
We saw it last year pa
06:32.1
Doon sa Project Pilipinas
06:37.4
Duterte time anymore
06:38.5
And lahat galit sa kanila
06:45.1
Lahat galit sa kanila
06:46.3
They don't seem to
06:54.2
I still feel this
06:57.1
Malaki pa rin kasi
07:04.7
Siguro baka yun yung
07:06.6
Nararamdaman nila
07:08.2
Pero the thing is
07:12.8
Lalabas ba sa kalsada yan?
07:16.3
Warm bodies pa mga yan?
07:18.2
Hindi sila warm bodies
07:19.2
Can you tell them
07:22.2
Yung mga congressman
07:23.6
Huwag niyong panalunin
07:26.0
Wala din silang magagawa
07:27.1
Yung mga congressman na nandun
07:30.5
Doon sa mga districts nila
07:31.9
Kasi pamilya nila
07:33.0
Yung mga may hawak doon eh
07:35.6
Kaya yung mga congressman
07:39.2
Walang kahit anong
07:42.8
Nasa congress pa rin kami
07:44.4
Nasa ano pa rin kami
07:45.3
Kaya nagsasabi diba si
07:51.4
Kung di mo sila pupurihin
07:53.5
They will put you
07:57.0
Yung kanyang linyada
07:59.2
Nangyayari daw ngayon
08:00.9
Pero ito lang din
08:02.2
Diba ilang days na yung
08:03.7
As of our recording
08:09.1
Ang hunger strike
08:09.8
Walang lechon every night
08:11.0
Ano ba yung hunger strike
08:12.4
At sya kang tanong
08:13.1
Sasama ba si Harry
08:16.3
Dami nagko-comment
08:22.9
They were expecting
08:32.9
Ilang days pa nila
08:33.9
Can they hold this up
08:35.1
Yung kanilang ano
08:36.2
Ang mangyayari dyan bro
08:41.8
Tapos naano na sila
08:43.6
Tapos pipicturean sila
08:46.2
Feeling ko yun yung magiging
08:47.3
Susunod na kabanada
08:48.3
Para alam na natin
08:51.1
Actually maganda yung sinabi mo
08:52.6
This is a very good observation
08:54.2
Now what's happening
08:55.5
We have a group of people
09:04.1
Dahil malakas yung
09:05.2
Kanilang following online
09:06.4
Automatic na assume nila
09:08.0
Equals to political power
09:14.8
Social media manager
09:19.1
Assume na sobrang malakas yun
09:20.8
And then tumakbo yan
09:25.0
So we have a lot of cases
09:27.2
Yung mga super solid DDS
09:29.9
Dahil nakisakay kay Digong
09:34.1
Bumanga na sila sa pader
09:36.3
Wala silang laban
09:38.0
Because at the end of the day
09:41.2
And it's having the warm bodies
09:42.7
And pagdating doon
09:45.7
And more than that
09:48.4
I really mean strictly
09:49.2
Traditional politicians
09:56.0
All the intellectuals
09:57.7
Influential people
10:00.3
They're on their own
10:02.4
Tama yung sinisabi mo na
10:04.1
Na masyado silang impressed
10:05.7
Sa kanilang online
10:10.3
But this doesn't really mean much
10:14.4
They're being deplatformed na
10:16.7
Kung mawala ka sa YouTube
10:18.3
Mawala ka sa Facebook
10:22.1
Doon na lang tayo
10:23.9
Hindi sila ibabani
10:28.2
Mapapapunta mo ba
10:30.7
Ang hindi na ng DDS to
10:32.2
Ang hindi na ng DDS
10:35.6
Nagpapansin pa siya
10:37.2
Ako daw si Marireza
10:39.7
Si Julian Assange
10:42.9
Hindi mo sila ka-level
10:44.3
Hindi mo rin ako ka-level
10:45.8
Gusto ko siyang ganun
10:47.5
Parang wag na lang
10:49.9
Mahina sila ang Twitter
10:52.3
Kasi you're right
10:54.8
Yun ang ginawa nila
10:55.9
Pumunta sila sa Twitter
10:56.9
Ngayon medyo patas
11:04.3
Yung mga alt-right
11:05.2
But I don't think
11:06.5
That will translate
11:10.7
Parang kasi parang
11:13.9
O may tishero pa rin
11:17.5
More on Facebook pa rin eh
11:24.2
Doon sila mag-establish
11:33.9
Ang pinaka hope nila
11:37.7
Sarah will get into power
11:39.4
Yun ang kanilang ano
11:44.1
Five years is a long time
11:46.2
In the next episode
11:52.4
Magiging madugo na yan eh
11:54.3
Last time I checked
11:56.0
Officially the spokesman
11:57.0
Of Liberal Party na?
11:58.1
Something like that?
11:59.2
Parang may position na siyang nakita ko eh
12:02.5
She's taking up the
12:03.4
Codules na talaga
12:04.2
Mag the next level na yan
12:05.9
But before we go to
12:07.6
Let's stay here muna bro
12:10.2
Kasi you and I bro
12:11.8
We have been following
12:13.5
For a very very long time
12:15.1
And let's be honest
12:15.8
SMNI is essentially
12:17.1
Like a bloggers network
12:18.7
The way they operate
12:20.5
It's really effective
12:21.6
Pagdating sa social media
12:22.9
Riding mga trends
12:25.3
They really follow
12:26.8
Journalistic ethic
12:28.7
Nang random sa ina dalawa
12:30.0
Meron pa rin dalawa
12:31.2
That's not how we do it
12:33.1
Tell me a little bit about this
12:34.3
How do you see the
12:35.1
Harry Roque angle?
12:37.0
Harry Roque up to
12:39.9
I mean may planan naman siya
12:40.9
Tumakulit siguro sa 2025
12:44.3
Siya'y maging rallying cry
12:47.6
Sa akin this is all
12:57.4
It's the same thing with
13:01.0
That's why yung kanyang
13:02.3
Supporta for the Dutertes
13:05.1
How big it still is
13:07.5
How powerful sila sa social media
13:09.7
Harry Roque din siguro
13:11.6
Although hindi nagtatranslate
13:12.9
Dun sa mga previous
13:15.5
Baka in the future
13:21.8
In the future din
13:22.8
Hindi sila makapasok
13:24.5
Sa current administration
13:26.3
Titignan nila na ganon
13:27.9
So kung merong moves
13:33.0
Of course by extension
13:35.8
So nando sila yung
13:38.3
Hoping that maybe
13:43.6
Babalikan nila lahat
13:47.3
It's a very big bet
13:48.3
It's a very big bet
13:55.4
Although interestingly
13:56.3
Doon sa mga comments ko
13:58.4
Although I try to be fair
14:00.4
Yung isang warning ko is
14:01.5
Yung mga nagpa-popcorn
14:02.8
Ngayon sa nangyara sa SMNI
14:05.8
Yung mga nagpa-popcorn
14:07.9
ABS-CBN franchise
14:10.5
Ang takot ko dito
14:11.8
Maweaponize itong
14:15.3
Any investigative journalist
14:16.6
To say anything about
14:17.8
Congress or politicians
14:21.7
They're taking care of
14:22.6
Two networks already
14:25.5
This might have some
14:26.3
Chilling effect down the road
14:28.0
Yung tinatrash lang
14:30.3
Maybe you believe
14:32.5
But at the end of the day
14:33.5
She somehow represents
14:34.6
The media, right?
14:35.4
So I'm just saying
14:36.7
Be careful what you wish for
14:39.5
Yung mga nagpa-popcorn dyan
14:40.7
Ingat lang kayo dyan
14:41.5
What you're worth
14:43.3
Yung mga ibang ABS-CBN friends ko
14:44.6
Ni-liked din nila
14:45.3
Yung mga posts kong ganito
14:46.2
Kasi I think they understand
14:52.8
Ang official stand ko dito
14:55.0
Just like sa ABS-CBN
14:59.6
Sa pagtanggal ng franchise
15:00.6
Maski dito sa SMNI
15:04.1
Tama yung sinasabi mo
15:05.4
It sets precedent nga
15:07.0
And chilling effect
15:14.0
Ganito pwedeng mangyari
15:17.5
Ito nga hindi renewal eh
15:20.8
Then and there eh
15:22.5
Gine-revoke na eh
15:24.2
O next level to eh
15:27.0
So medyo may ganun
15:39.3
Learning experience
15:48.8
Ang nireklamo nga ni Tatay Han
15:57.4
Alam mo this reminds me
16:00.1
This reminds me so much
16:01.3
Of the golden years
16:03.1
Of the Philippines
16:04.4
Called martial law
16:20.6
Mas malala pa nga
16:22.8
Mas malalayo sa martial law
16:23.8
Kasi you get detained
16:26.9
Teachable moment eh
16:28.1
Ano ba talaga gusto natin
16:29.6
Do we want a free press
16:33.3
Yung golden years
16:36.6
Yung mga Pilipino
16:40.5
Until it happens to you eh
16:44.7
Or the shows you like
16:46.0
Or the channels you support
16:54.5
Slap on the wrist
16:56.4
Siguro punishment lang
16:57.7
Ng program na yan
16:59.5
Or some of the practices
17:02.3
This would help in
17:03.3
Creating more legit media
17:04.8
Na hindi abusuin yung franchise
17:06.2
Kasi privilege yan
17:08.5
Pwede ma-revoke yung buong franchise
17:11.7
Sumasagot yung mga congressman
17:13.7
The way na tinatrato sila
17:16.9
People natutuwa yung mga tao
17:18.2
Kasi deserve daw nila
17:19.9
I mean I understand it
17:21.3
But when you correct
17:23.2
It has to be done
17:26.5
Keep on setting precedents
17:29.5
Pushing the boundaries
17:33.0
And you're normalizing
17:34.2
Trashing of media
17:35.2
That's what I'm saying
17:36.2
The normalization of trashing
17:37.7
Of course we can debate
17:40.2
Nag-investigative
17:41.7
Based on anonymous texts
17:44.5
They're still representative
17:46.5
Even if you don't agree
17:49.0
Kaya nga ako medyo ilang lang ako
17:51.5
Kakantsawan tayo here and there
17:53.3
Kasi medyo ridiculous na
17:54.5
Yung mga ginagawa nilang drama
17:55.8
I'm not sure this is really
17:56.8
Helping their cause
17:59.1
I see them as ano eh
18:00.1
Parang Fox News eh
18:01.2
Parang ganon yung
18:09.2
A little bit more
18:17.8
Mare-revoke yung franchise
18:19.1
Mukhang wala na talaga tayong
18:23.3
Yun na talaga yung mangyayari
18:26.7
Would have to go on
18:28.8
As an online content
18:31.4
Assuming they will not
18:32.6
Also be banned online again
18:36.7
Nakita ko yung intervention
18:38.0
Ni Congressman Pimentel
18:40.6
And he was kind of
18:41.8
Connecting things to Kiboloy also
18:43.4
And yung cases ni Kiboloy
18:46.2
This might not just be about
18:47.3
The media company
18:48.2
This could go all the way down
18:49.5
All the way up to
18:50.4
To Kiboloy himself
18:56.9
So I think this perfectly sets
18:58.4
For the next episode na lang
18:59.9
Is this the declaration of war
19:02.1
That we're looking at
19:04.9
Parang tinitingnan siguro din
19:07.0
SMNI hits back eh
19:09.9
Nag-uusapan natin
19:14.0
Yung mga statement nila
19:15.4
Syempre tinitingnan din nila
19:18.3
You won't humble yourself
19:20.2
Ipagpipilitan nyo
19:29.4
What you're dealing with
19:30.3
Parang baka ganun ang mangyari
19:32.1
It's going to be ugly
19:33.5
O magkakalaman na talaga
19:35.5
Kung sino talagang
19:37.1
O lamangan na talaga
19:40.1
I think Ronald had the point na
19:41.8
Six years of Duterte
19:43.3
Really made some people
19:44.6
Think they're untouchable
19:47.0
They got away with so much
19:52.1
Trashing everyone
19:54.8
Mukhang hindi sila
19:57.2
Naka-recovered dun eh
19:58.4
Yung nandun pa rin
19:59.2
Dazed pa rin sila
20:02.8
So I think this sets the tone
20:03.9
Perfectly for our
20:05.8
Where we're gonna talk about
20:06.9
The Lima vs. Duterte 2.0
20:08.8
And whether this is
20:10.3
This is really a civil war
20:12.2
Multi-front civil war
20:13.6
Medyo Game of Thrones na ito eh
20:15.0
Game of Thrones PI
20:16.4
So that will be our next episode
20:19.2
One last point lang
20:21.2
I want to give lang din
20:23.1
Pagdating kay ka Eric
20:24.9
Kasi lalo na si Miss Lorraine
20:28.4
Magkakilala din with her
20:30.7
Parang medyo friends din
20:32.7
Masyadong nakahighlight
20:38.0
Nakahighlight yung
20:42.8
Kasi mali naman yun
20:44.3
Pero in fairness to them
20:45.9
May mga nakontribute naman sila
20:49.6
Effort ng gobyerno
20:55.8
Rebellious movement
20:59.1
I disagree with you
21:02.5
You know why I disagree with you?
21:03.8
The military and the security establishment
21:05.8
Were doing the right job
21:09.0
Nung nangugulo sila
21:10.1
They gave a bad name
21:11.5
Yun nga ang point ko eh
21:13.0
So actually I disagree with you
21:14.2
And this is also based
21:15.1
Sa interviews natin
21:15.9
With si Jonathan Malayo
21:17.6
And I also interviewed
21:18.9
Ang basa ko talaga bro
21:20.2
They gave a bad name
21:21.2
To what could have been
21:22.5
A legitimate counterinsurgency
21:24.6
Yung isang general
21:26.3
Ng kaibigan ni Parla
21:28.8
So actually I disagree with you
21:30.1
I think they brought down
21:34.6
Parang naging pejorative
21:37.8
Kausap natin yung mga nandun
21:38.9
Mga matino na yung mga nandun
21:41.1
This is the legit
21:41.7
Counterinsurgency
21:42.5
Pero nung ginawa ng
21:53.3
I know what you're trying to say
21:59.7
Sa movement na yan eh
22:00.9
Potentially legitimate
22:06.8
Thank you very much
