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Pero the motion was,
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they will be detained until the adjournment of the committee hearing or until the adoption of the committee report.
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Okay? Hanggang doon lang yun. That's the maximum.
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So hindi tama dito yung sinabi nilang no timeline on how long Celis Badoy will be detained.
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I showed you the Supreme Court decision already. Okay?
01:21.8
Pimental, I may not agree with Lorraine Badoy's manner.
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Her behavior, her tactics in the past with how she's treated and rektag journalists.
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But I want to stick to this issue.
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Isn't this an abuse of power and discretion by the lower house?
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I mean, what did the two really violate?
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Number one, when you think about it, the SOTO law is quite clear.
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Whether or not you agree with her commentary.
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Ito kasi two mga kabatis natin.
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Yung sinasabi niya, the two violated.
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Hindi naman kasi talaga nag-violate naman si Badoy doon sa isa.
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Doon sa hindi pagdadivalge o pagbabanggit ng source,
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ang nag-violate lang dito ay si Celis.
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Hindi ho si Badoy. Si Badoy, iba ho yung sa kanya.
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Yung kay Badoy, yung pagsisinungaling.
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It does protect them from revealing their sources.
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The law is quite...
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It's quite clear on that.
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So what is the basis to detain them for this law?
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Well, there is a SOTO law to protect media practitioners.
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However, there is also a coletilia in the SOTO law.
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It's very clear there in Section 1,
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only accredited journalists can invoke the SOTO law.
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In this case, we have found out that Loren Badoy
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and Mr. Celis are not accredited journalists or media practitioners with KBP.
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Ito, ito kasi yung issue dyan mga kabatas natin.
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Ang issue dyan, the law did not actually say
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na you should be accredited by the KBP.
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Babasahin natin mamaya yan.
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Siguro nakikita nyo na kung saan ako papunta.
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Otherwise, no, itong kapisanan ng mga broadcasters ng Pilipinas,
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mga kabatas natin,
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Ito, ito yung argument dyan, ha?
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If I will take into consideration
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the argument of Representative Pimentel,
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Paano yung mga campus journalists?
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They are also journalists.
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They also make exposés.
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Pero, these campus journalists,
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should they be accredited
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or should they be accredited by the KBP?
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So, doon yung nakikita mga kabatas natin
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yung intent ng batas eh.
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The spirit of the law.
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You can see it there.
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in far-flung areas,
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mga kabatas natin,
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many of them are not accredited by the KBP.
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Hindi sila kasalita,
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Doon sa kapisanan ng mga broadcasters sa Pilipinas.
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Does that mean that they are not supported
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or they are not protected by this law?
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Even the law is silent on that part.
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Pero, we will go there.
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We will go there and discuss that extensively,
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mga kabatas natin.
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we will, ano muna,
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listen to Pimentel.
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ah, KBP was there.
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Ito, ito, sabi rin ni, ano, ni Ika,
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GMA ay not accredited ng KBP.
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Yun nga, sinabi rin sa akin yan.
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Since binanggit yun na,
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we studied KBP also.
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And KBP is a private entity.
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they testified that they are not accredited.
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So, it's very clear in Section 1
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Republic Act No. 147,
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ah, expanding the coverage of exemptions,
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ah, nakalagi doon,
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accredited journalist, writer, reporter, contributor,
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and there is also an exemption
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unless the court or the House of Certificates or the Senate
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or any community congress finds that such revelation
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is demanded by the security of the state.
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Security of the state.
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yun siguro yung pwede nilang, ano, no, pwede nilang,
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Pero let's go to the text na.
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At pag-aralan natin yan, mga kapatid natin, ano.
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Let's look at the spirit of this.
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If you will see kasi, no,
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it will be absurd
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if you will interpret this as,
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as only applicable to journalists who are accredited
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Because even this, mga kapatid natin,
06:23.1
this particular, ano, no, this particular, ah, law,
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did not mention the kapisanan ng mga broadcasters ng Pilipinas.
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O, i-search natin.
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So, it did not mention the KBP here.
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So, who will accredit?
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Tignan natin, no.
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Ito yung amendment kasi.
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Without prejudice to his liability under the civil and criminal laws.
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Titignan nyo kasi yung mga kapatas natin.
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You can still be held liable under civil and criminal laws
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if you violated something that is against the law.
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Bakit importante kasi itong unang phrase na ito?
07:16.8
Bakit importante itong unang phrase na ito?
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Importante itong unang phrase na ito.
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Because you can still be liable for cyber libel and other criminal actions against you
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if you publish something that is against the law.
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So, ano ba yung sinasabi ng batas dito?
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Huwag mong sabihin yung source mo.
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You cannot be compelled to do it.
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Pero, even if you don't divulge your source.
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Even if sabihin mo na meron kang source kahit wala.
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When it comes to libel or cyber libel,
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the person who published it can be held liable.
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So, if we will zero in in this Section 1,
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this particular amendment,
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it gives protection actually.
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Para lumakas yung loob ng mga tao
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na magbigay ng impormasyon.
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That's the spirit of the law.
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So, tingnan natin kung kanino,
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kung kanino, ano,
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kanino nag-a-apply ito.
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or duly recognized,
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or accredited journalist.
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Pagtitignan nyo kasi mga kabatas natin.
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Take note of the use of the word
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Itong accreditation na ito
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at itong recognition na ito,
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mga kabatas natin,
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to cover journalist,
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writer, reporter,
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contributor, opinion, writer,
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editor, columnist,
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manager, media practitioner.
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Pwede kasing, medyo,
09:31.8
yun ang problema natin dito eh.
09:33.8
Ang problema kasi natin dito,
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ano ba yung minomodify ng recognized or accredited?
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Does it modify only the journalist?
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Or does it modify all of this?
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So, we should look at the spirit of the law.
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Kasi hindi mo makikita kung saan yung minomodify niya talaga eh.
10:04.8
Kasi nando doon sa unang una,
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you can argue that
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recognized or accredited,
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it refers only to the journalist.
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Pero, pagtitignan mo kasi mga kabatas natin,
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kasama yung writer, reporter,
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contributor, opinion writer,
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editor, columnist,
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manager, media practitioner,
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involved in the writing,
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editing, production,
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and dissemination of news for mass circulation.
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It did not define the publisher.
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Who is a publisher?
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Siyempre, kukunin mo siya in its,
10:41.8
in its lay meaning, di ba?
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A person or company that prepares or issues books, journals, music, or other works.
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Yun yung pangalan ng publisher.
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Ngayon, with the advent of social media,
10:57.8
we can all be publishers.
11:05.8
Kasi a publisher is a person or a company
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and issues books, journals, music, or other works.
11:21.8
Kasi ngayon, mga kabatas natin,
11:24.8
if you manage your social media,
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you can easily publish it.
11:29.8
You can easily own already.
11:36.8
Kasi ito, tignan nyo, no?
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Or Julie bla bla bla,
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and dissemination of news for,
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for mass, ito kasi,
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dissemination of news for mass circulation.
11:51.8
So, can you be a publisher?
11:53.8
Disseminating news for mass circulation
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of any print broadcast, wire service, bla bla bla,
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or electronic mass media?
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Including cable TV and its variants cannot be compelled to reveal the source of any news item, report, or information.
12:08.8
appearing or being reported or disseminated through said media.
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Which was related in confidence with the above-mentioned media practitioners
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unless the court or the House of Representatives or the Senate or any committee of Congress
12:27.8
find that such revelation is deemed by,
12:30.8
is demanded by the security of the state.
12:33.8
Ito yung security of the state.
12:34.8
Siyempre, ito kailangan i-interpret din na naman yan.
12:37.8
Pero based on this, mga kabatas natin,
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it is my legal opinion,
12:44.8
that even amateur journalists,
12:48.8
even campus journalists,
12:50.8
are protected by Republic Act No. 11458.
12:54.8
Tulad nga ng sinasabi ko sa inyo, mga kabatas natin,
12:57.8
tulad ng sinasabi ko sa inyo,
12:59.8
if the interpretation of the,
13:03.8
the House of Representatives,
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yung kay KP Mental will be followed,
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what about campus journalists?
13:14.8
What about campus journalists?
13:16.8
What about campus journalism?
13:17.8
So you are not protected but you are also member of the press.
13:23.8
And mga kabatas natin,
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there is no competitive exam.
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Wala pong professional exam.
13:34.8
That's the better part.
13:37.8
Wala pong professional exam for you to be a journalist.
13:49.8
Tignan nyo dito sa ano, ha?
13:59.8
So let me explain,
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nagkaroon ng speech kasi noon,
14:05.8
noong ito ay pinasa,
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ito yung news noong September 25, 2019.
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President Roddy Duterte,
14:13.8
has approved expansion to the SOTO law,
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which allows broadcasts and online journalists,
14:18.8
to keep their sources confidential under certain conditions.
14:21.8
The President has approved the expanded SOTO law, which allows broadcasts and online journalists to keep their sources confidential.
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Pag titignan nyo kasi mga kabatas natin, yung accredited, I think, in my opinion, of course, like I said, I always stand corrected.
14:44.9
In my opinion, that works only if you work for a particular company.
14:50.6
Ibig sabihin, kunwari, dito sa One News, the One News should accredit you as their journalist.
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If not, hindi kakasali.
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Kung nire-represent mo yung One News.
15:14.8
...is if Congress or the courts find the news information harmless to national security.
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The previous law only protects print journalists as their constitutional right to freedom of speech in the country's democratic state.
15:28.4
Senate President Tito Soto thanked the President for approving the amendments to the SOTO law.
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SOTO said these will ensure that all media workers will provide the public...
15:38.6
Pignan nyo, all media workers.
15:42.3
Anong pangalan ng Facebook?
15:46.1
Anong pangalan ng YouTube?
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Anong pangalan ng social media?
15:57.3
So, if you create content, news content, even if you are not affiliated with any news agency that is accredited by KBP,
16:20.6
Because it's social media, it's still media.
16:32.0
Alam nyo rin, lagi kong sinasabi dito, na pag meron tayong batas, it will always be interpreted in relation to its applicability to modern times.
16:47.8
Its applicability to modern times.
16:50.6
So, I think, if I will be interpreting it, kasali sila.
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...accurate information without fear of threats from individuals who may be exposed for their wrong deeds.
17:09.9
But Foreign Affairs Secretary Teddy Locsin Jr. says or tweeted a sarcastic reaction.
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Locsin hopes that the new SOTO law will end complaints against the President...
17:20.6
...that is supposedly attacking press freedom, even if it's not a political issue.
17:23.0
Anyway, hindi na issue yan.
17:26.7
Politika-politika yan nung unang panahon na hindi na applicable ngayon.
17:31.2
Balik tayo dito kay Representative Pimentel.
17:34.8
So, we were talking about red tagging.
17:37.4
We were talking about communist insurgency.
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It's very clear that it involves the security of the state.
17:44.5
And in the course...
17:51.9
It's very clear that it involves the security of the state.
17:55.7
So, we were talking about red tagging.
17:58.7
We were talking about communist insurgency.
18:02.4
But it's about the 1.8 billion.
18:07.0
Alleged 1.8 billion trouble funds of Speaker Martin Romualdes.
18:20.6
Ito, mga kabatas natin.
18:26.1
Ibig sabihin ba dito pumapanig ako kay Badoy at saka kay Celis?
18:31.5
Yung kay Celis, we all can see it.
18:36.0
It's really disrespect sa tribunal yung ginawa niya, mga kabatas natin.
18:40.7
It's really disrespect.
18:42.6
Pero yung hindi niya pag-divulge ng kanyang source, I think hindi dapat maging dahilan yun.
18:50.6
Yung itong pag-detain din sa kanya, itong si Badoy, in my opinion, mga kabatas natin, pwede naman siyang i-detain.
18:59.0
Pero, pero, pero, pero, pero, malinis to.
19:02.7
Hindi, hindi, hindi. Kanta na naman yun.
19:04.3
Pero, mga kabatas natin, sana nagkaroon pa ng mas malalim na investigation at sana pinasagot sila.
19:15.4
Ito sabi ni John Lee.
19:18.3
Would it mean that Penetral et al. doesn't know the law or they know the law and just pinning down SM&I?
19:24.7
No, it doesn't mean like that.
19:26.3
Like I said, these are scholastic discussions.
19:31.4
These are for academic purposes.
19:35.6
Kasi, kasi hindi naman pwedeng pag meron kang ibang punto, bobo ka na agad.
19:47.5
Hindi naman pwedeng.
19:48.3
Hindi naman pwede na parang mali o iba yung opinion nun sa isa, magkasalungat kami, magkasalungat sila, bobo na agad yung isa.
20:00.1
Pwede rin naman kasi, mga kabatas natin, na pareho silang gumagamit ng utak nila, kaya ina-argue nila yung punto nila.
20:10.1
Diba? That's the point there.
20:12.0
Yun yun kasi ang hindi magets na mga Tulfonatics eh.
20:15.3
And that's why I feel sorry for them.
20:17.5
Kasi pag may kumontra doon sa puon nila, pag may kumontra kay Rafi Tulfo, mga kabatas natin, attack agad.
20:27.0
Hindi nila tinitignan kung ano yung argument mo, hindi nila tinitignan kung yung punto mo ba tama o mali.
20:35.5
So sinasabi mo ba, bobo ito, bobo ito, nobody's saying that.
20:38.8
Only Rafi Tulfo says that.
20:42.7
Diba? Only Rafi Tulfo says that.
20:44.8
And if you do it.
20:47.5
If you do it to Rafi Tulfo, galit si Rafi Tulfo.
20:55.2
Just like I said, ang daming abugado dito sa Pilipinas, iba-iba yung opinion nila dito.
21:04.6
Ano ang importante, explain mo yung opinion mo.
21:07.5
Para people will understand where you're coming from and eventually, malalaman.
21:14.3
These are methods.
21:16.3
No, this particular.
21:17.5
These particular arguments, these particular discussions will arrive at improving the law.
21:25.5
Or, better understanding of the law.
21:32.3
Katulad nung Axie.
21:35.3
Diba? It's batas natin against the world.
21:43.1
It is a Ponzi scheme after all.
21:46.1
Pagkatapos sumabog.
21:47.0
Hindi na naka-recover.
21:48.7
Just as we predicted.
21:56.2
It's very clear that it involves the security of the state.
22:00.2
And in the course of two hearings that we have conducted last November 30 and yesterday,
22:07.8
we have established already that they have violated some provisions in their franchise.
22:15.1
Actually, it is Suarez.
22:17.0
Yun siguro yung violation nila dun sa provisions sa franchise nila.
22:21.1
Ito lang yan ang sinabi ko sa inyo.
22:22.5
Siyempre, I also have my biases.
22:25.2
Everybody has that.
22:27.1
Pero as much as possible, I'll try to be fair.
22:30.2
So in this particular discussion, I tried to be fair with, yeah, in relation to them.
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Kasi, you know, they're not my favorite people.
22:39.7
Pero as much as possible, I tried to be fair.
22:47.0
Yan. Maraming salamat mga kapatid natin.
22:49.7
At siyempre, tulad ng lagi kong sinasabi, matulog po tayo ng mahimbing dahil alam natin.
22:55.3
Up, sandali, sandali. Nakita ko dito.
22:57.9
Tama yung sinabi ni Renz dito.
22:59.3
That's the true essence of in-aid of legislation.
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Sana nakakuha sila ng gagawin nila dito.
23:07.5
Kasi they need to really make it clear kung sino yung mag-a-accredit doon.
23:12.6
Kung ang mag-a-accredit ba yung news agency o yung kapisanan ng mga broadcasters.
23:18.1
Because, mga kapatid natin, it's ambiguous.
23:22.4
Okay? Maraming salamat.
23:24.2
Siyempre, tulad ng lagi kong sinasabi, matulog po tayo ng mahimbing dahil alam natin.
23:27.6
Na natutulog ng mahimbing, siya yung laging panalo.
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Paalam po. Pansamantala.
