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00:03.6
This it is this Game of Thrones
00:09.5
This is it na ba? Declaration of War na ba ito?
00:12.4
If SMI is gonna go down
00:16.5
last week pa lang, di ba?
00:17.7
Na mukhang malapot na natatagal ito.
00:22.0
Rodrigo Duterte, Digong, is just gonna take
00:24.1
that sitting down. I think he will go on the
00:25.9
offensive even more than we have seen ever
00:28.0
before. And now you have a situation whereby
00:30.2
medyo nakaroon tayo ng konting
00:31.9
disagreement on the issue of peace process.
00:33.7
Remember, Sarah Duterte, the first time
00:36.0
she came out and publicly criticized
00:39.4
and she used even the term dealing with
00:42.0
the devil was itong issue ng peace negotiations
00:44.1
with the communists. So, mukhang we're
00:45.9
crossing na certain...
00:47.2
The rift is getting larger and larger.
00:50.1
Parang unsheathing of the swords
00:51.9
na nangyari. Hindi na ito normal na.
00:55.9
Totoo. Totoo. And yun nga,
00:57.8
lalo ngayon, yung mga
01:01.1
Leyla de Lima. So, ngayon,
01:03.7
she's the biggest critic of the
01:05.7
former administration.
01:07.8
And talagang pabigat ng pabigat.
01:10.0
And Sarah is, yun nga, kinokontra
01:13.8
pat nilalabas ni BBM.
01:16.7
And ang daming mga issues,
01:17.8
pati yung sa DepEd,
01:19.6
na she's not capable
01:21.9
of handling yung ating
01:23.6
educational crisis. So,
01:25.5
it's one after the other.
01:27.8
It adds up na. Growing
01:29.7
that rift between the DDS
01:31.8
and the Marcos admin.
01:36.1
Well, I was just confirming, bro.
01:37.7
Ito na talaga. So, this is true. Leyla
01:39.6
de Lima has been designated as
01:44.0
Parang spokesman ng
01:45.2
Liberal Party family. So, she's taking
01:47.7
up na talaga official position and all.
01:49.7
And, of course, we can say a lot
01:51.7
of things about, you know, Laos na yung
01:53.7
Dilawan, etc. But you cannot
01:55.7
say that about Leyla de Lima. She's coming
01:57.6
back with vengeance. And Leyla de Lima
01:59.5
is her own entire party, you know?
02:01.7
I think she brings a lot of energy, strength
02:03.7
and charisma in a certain sense.
02:05.9
And also, you know, iba eh.
02:07.7
Feisty talaga si Leyla eh. I mean,
02:09.5
I'm reading pa rin yung book ni Patricia
02:11.7
Vengelista about yung
02:13.6
drug war and all. And in fairness,
02:15.5
tumahas pa lalong respect ko kay Leyla de Lima
02:17.4
that she has been on top of this issue for quite some time.
02:19.8
Ikaw, bro, I mean, how do you see...
02:21.2
Are you surprised nung
02:23.2
Sarah now openly coming out and criticizing
02:25.6
it? Or you see it more like desperate,
02:27.6
right na siya? Mukhang hindi na siya kinakausap
02:29.2
ni BBM eh. Diba? Bakit ko
02:31.4
isa sa publiko, yung
02:33.3
criticism mo, ay yung disagreement
02:35.5
ko sa'yo, kunyara Mark Gombo, akong ikaw
02:37.3
presidente, kung I already have direct channel
02:39.5
to you, diba? Most likely, nilalabas ko lang
02:41.5
ito dahil hindi mo naman
02:43.5
ako kinakausap, hindi kita na-meet. So this is my way
02:45.6
of getting your attention, diba? It looks like almost
02:47.4
desperation level, diba?
02:49.8
Parang ganun na nangyari ngayon, diba?
02:52.0
Ang tingin ko, parang she's
02:53.4
setting up her base eh. Yung
02:55.4
mga supporters nila. Kasi,
02:57.3
ang pangit naman kung sabi niya
02:59.5
I support BBM, I support, tapos bigla na lang
03:01.5
magka-cut, clean siya, and ano.
03:03.5
So, I think, parang medyo inaano niya eh.
03:05.8
Kunti-kunti. So, I
03:07.4
tried to talk with the president, I tried
03:09.5
to convince him na ganito,
03:11.5
we disagreed na ganito.
03:13.6
Medyo mabagal yung ano,
03:15.5
mabagal yung, eventually,
03:17.4
ang dami na namin pinag-disagree yan,
03:19.2
I have no choice but to withdraw my support.
03:26.7
cuts clean now, diba? She has
03:28.9
to give up yung sa DepEd, and
03:30.9
parang ano na talaga
03:33.0
yun? Parang all-out war na talaga.
03:35.2
Diba? Parang Digong
03:36.7
and Lenny na yan, back in
03:38.8
panahon ni PRRT. So,
03:41.2
pero ngayon, hindi natin alam, baka medyo
03:42.7
she's trying to ano,
03:45.0
pahabaan ng konti, or ano ng konti,
03:47.0
tapos meron silang ibang pinaplano,
03:48.9
kung ano man yung plano nila. Diba?
03:50.7
Pero, yung nga eh, she's starting
03:52.8
to feel it na eh, na
03:54.3
si Digong yung target, kasama,
03:56.7
siya. Diba? Kasama siya sa lahat
03:58.5
ng mga ano. So, it's going to be
04:03.0
So, you think that
04:04.2
Sarah is preparing the base na?
04:07.0
Parang ito na yung magiging
04:08.3
essentially opening salvo na,
04:10.7
diba? I gave the guy the warning,
04:12.9
I've been very honest about this,
04:14.5
malaking issue ito, mahalaga ito, this is about
04:16.5
our national security, we don't deal with the devils,
04:18.9
and look at it, di sila nang kinig sa atin.
04:21.1
So, ito na, labanan na natin,
04:22.9
itong parang, I think, ganun na
04:24.6
mangyayari, no? This is a good read, bro.
04:26.7
I somehow agree with you na, that this is
04:28.9
less than, I mean, there
04:30.8
might be an element of desperation there, but there's
04:32.8
also an element of preparation and setting up,
04:34.9
no? A counter-movement na
04:36.6
all the way, no? Grabe, bro!
04:39.2
Ibang klase pala yung politika talaga na.
04:41.1
I mean, we saw this coming, but
04:42.6
iba pa rin eh, iba pa rin when you're seeing it.
04:44.6
Hindi ako, mga, diba, a few months ago
04:46.9
lang, ang parati ko pala sinasabi,
04:48.8
I was optimistic na magkakasundo,
04:50.7
magkakabate, pero ngayon, parang
04:52.7
hindi na talaga eh, parang hindi na talaga
04:54.3
magbabate, doon na papunta eh.
04:57.3
yun nga eh, Sahara is, of course,
05:00.9
the biggest target, the biggest ano
05:04.9
kung merong ibang may gusto for 2028,
05:08.8
So, medyo mabigat talaga yung magiging
05:12.1
awayan dyan. Especially now na yung
05:14.8
sa ICC, yung sa investigation,
05:17.5
yung kay Las Cañas
05:18.8
na lumalabas, yung sa
05:22.1
Yung mga claims doon
05:25.0
na Tuterte daw is the
05:26.4
biggest sa ganito, and siya yung
05:28.4
involved sa... So, napaka...
05:30.2
Taking care of competition.
05:34.8
care of competition. Diba,
05:36.5
ang dami yung mga lugar,
05:38.5
yung mga pangalan, yung mga kasama.
05:40.6
So, sa totoo lang,
05:43.0
hindi ko alam saan tayo papunta. What will
05:44.5
happen here? How will the people react to that?
05:46.5
Will they still... Will the Tuterte
05:48.3
magic hold? Will he...
05:50.9
Pero, yun nga, ang hirap talaga.
05:52.9
Lalo na, five years pa in power
05:54.5
si PBBM, so hindi ko talaga siya...
05:56.4
How will they handle all of this?
05:58.7
And baka lumakas pa lalo si
06:00.5
PBBM after midterms, if ma-wipe
06:02.6
out na talaga yung ibang factions, diba?
06:04.7
Kasi he came in as unit team, so medyo
06:06.8
someone is breathing down his neck.
06:08.7
But if 2025, total
06:10.6
win na sila, wala.
06:12.4
They'll have it free for themselves for the next
06:14.5
two years or so. So, pwede na nila...
06:16.2
And in his first year, sa first
06:18.5
year ni PBBM, ang hindi maganda
06:21.1
social media strategy.
06:24.6
Halos non-existent nga eh.
06:26.4
Paano pag nag-gets na nila yun?
06:28.2
Paano pag they start, ano na?
06:30.2
So, kung baka yung one year na yun,
06:32.2
ang pangit nung social media na
06:34.1
communications na binabato
06:40.0
What if they get that right? What if they get the right people?
06:44.4
Magulo talaga, maihirapan
06:46.5
talaga tong ano, tong
06:50.2
Very good point. Kasi ako feeling ko,
06:53.5
covered the ICC issue.
06:56.4
It will be the most consequential. Kasi ang laki
06:58.4
ng implication na ito.
06:60.0
In terms of improving the Philippines' relations with the
07:02.4
international community, in terms of making
07:04.4
BBM himself look like the good guy,
07:06.4
in terms of making the
07:07.8
kind of a silent, hindi naman
07:10.3
pact, but understanding between
07:12.2
some Dilawan and some BBMers,
07:14.6
diba? And then it's really a
07:16.3
declaration of war. I mean, the logistics of that,
07:18.6
imagine if they go after Bato, then
07:20.2
Bongo, may ibang klase yan, diba?
07:22.0
So, gulong-gulo yan. So, anything
07:24.1
could happen, magkakataon ng siege sa
07:26.3
Davao. So, it could be an
07:28.2
insanely crazy situation.
07:32.4
I think the biggest mystery, and this is what I
07:34.3
didn't foresee, I think both of us didn't foresee
07:36.3
this, is ang hina ng social media
07:38.1
strategy of both Sarah Duterte
07:39.8
and BBM. After the
07:41.9
quote-unquote masterpiece of disinformation
07:44.1
and everything they put out for quite some time,
07:46.5
they have gone quiet. But
07:48.1
my sense is, diba,
07:49.5
quiet sila kasi hindi sila threatened sa
07:52.1
opposition eh, diba, sa totoong opposition.
07:54.1
But now na silang dalawang magbabanggaan,
07:56.3
diba, parang lions versus tigers,
07:58.2
yan, or, anong, agilap.
07:59.4
Sarah was intentionally quiet eh, nung first year niya.
08:02.3
Kasi wala talagang movement
08:04.0
ng kahit ano. Parang
08:05.2
gusto niyang umalis sa limelight eh.
08:08.0
Because she thought that she threatened BBM also.
08:10.3
Maybe, I think she was also worried BBM
08:12.0
will feel threatened if she's always
08:14.1
in the limelight. Feeling ko may ganun siyang calculation eh.
08:18.3
Let's talk, let's mistake din.
08:19.9
Ang taas niya sa mga surveys, ang taas niya.
08:22.2
She didn't feel the need na
08:26.3
na mag-social media masyado.
08:28.6
So she was really silent eh.
08:30.3
Walang mga vloggers, walang mga, wala eh.
08:32.8
Nagsimula lang nung tambalos-tos na
08:34.4
at nung naumiginit na.
08:36.0
So mukhang ngayon, yung mga vloggers
08:38.5
nagsisimula nang pumili sa
08:39.9
ang sides. Lalo na yung mga unitim
08:42.2
na vloggers, but they need to start
08:44.2
choosing na. Kasi nakikita na nila
08:46.2
na mag-aaway din.
08:47.8
Richard, may tatanong lang din ako.
08:52.3
Yung kay Las Canas ba na
08:54.1
mga statements, how will that...
08:56.3
affect yung sa ICC na case?
08:58.5
Kasi sabi ni Laila Dalima, bakit daw
09:01.3
hindi pinitignan ng
09:03.9
Congress or yung mga statements
09:06.0
ni Las Canas about kay Tigong?
09:08.1
So possible kayang mapunta doon?
09:09.9
This is really relevant
09:12.1
to the ICC, bro. All of these mga
09:13.8
etong mga whistleblowers
09:15.9
na nagkaroon sila ng
09:18.0
konting platform, pero dinismiss lang sila
09:19.9
ng mga authorities in the Philippines.
09:22.0
In fact, yun din ang sinasight
09:23.7
ng mga ICC, pro-ICC people.
09:25.6
Tignan nyo nga, andun na nga sila.
09:27.2
Nag-hearing pa nga lahat.
09:28.4
Ito si Las Canas, people at the highest
09:31.4
level sa Davao, operations, etc.
09:33.4
And then, pinaliwala din ng authorities.
09:35.4
So they never had an excuse of access to witnesses
09:37.5
or evidence. And yet, they slept
09:39.4
on their job or they were too scared to confront
09:41.6
Duterte. So in fact, that's one of the reasons
09:43.4
why ICC is supposed to
09:45.5
come in because, eto na, meron kayong
09:47.4
lahat, hindi nyo parang ginawa. So either takot
09:50.3
you're not really doing your job. You're sleeping on your job.
09:53.6
Kaya nga, papasok tayo dito. I mean, bro,
09:55.5
the whole thing is crazy because I was
09:57.6
looking at it, like the whole issue
09:59.6
of nanlaban, diba? Na eto mga
10:03.4
kill rate is 100% accuracy
10:05.6
almost. Diba? I mean, you would
10:07.7
imagine, bro, kung nanglaban ng mga
10:09.2
kriminal, may isa o dalawang pulis
10:11.4
ang mamamatay out of thousands of cases, diba?
10:15.4
This is impossible. Nowhere in
10:17.6
the world do you have a 100%
10:19.9
kill rate, right? Of,
10:21.5
you know, nagkaroon ng encounter with the criminals
10:23.6
and no one in the police got injured.
10:25.5
You think. It's just improbable.
10:27.5
Unless they're all special ops people
10:29.6
na hindi natin alam. So, there's so
10:31.6
many angles na pwede titignan dito na
10:33.6
to think about what they call a
10:36.1
state-sponsored systematic
10:39.8
violation or mass atrocities.
10:42.0
So, yun yung titignan ngayon.
10:48.4
nung binasa ko yung book ni
10:49.5
Patricia Evangeliza, I realized how much
10:51.4
I still didn't know about the drug wars.
10:53.5
I really suggest people to read that.
10:55.5
Hindi ko kasi nabasa yung mga important points
10:57.7
ng doon. Kasi it's a long book.
10:59.6
It's a 450, 500 pages book
11:01.4
and diba si Patricia Evangeliza, she covered
11:03.8
yung mga pinapatay talaga from day
11:05.5
one, bro, ha? With the photographers
11:07.7
and all. At kinausap niya yung mga police,
11:09.6
et cetera. Eventually, she had to leave the Philippines, I think
11:11.6
2019 because medyo
11:13.6
may target na sa kanya, eh. Kasi
11:15.5
binubuking niya, eh. Anong nangyari, eh.
11:17.5
Kasi nakalala mo, bro, nung una
11:19.3
first year or two of drug war, proud pa sila
11:22.1
na ipakita sa media, diba?
11:23.6
Kasi Duterte won because of the promise.
11:25.5
Eh. Para by third, fourth year, medyo
11:27.8
ano na, eh. They were pushing
11:29.5
back na. Kasi alam nila, hindi na
11:31.2
nagkakaroon ng counter-movement.
11:33.5
Numalabas na yung mga IPC. Oo.
11:35.4
At saka yung mga baho, at saka yung mga
11:37.1
inconsistencies. And si Digong
11:39.3
mismo ay aminado, hindi nag-work yung
11:41.3
kanyang drug war. Dapat, diba, six
11:43.4
months, ganun. So, kitang-kita mo sa book
11:45.5
na yun. It's a very interesting book. I'll probably do a shorts
11:47.5
and a lecture also on that book because I'm writing reviews
11:49.6
on it. Very interesting. I realized
11:51.7
how much I still didn't know about the drug war
11:53.4
despite everything I've been
11:55.5
reading about it. Everything I've been
11:57.4
writing about the Duterte era. Of course, syempre
11:59.4
focus ko rin. West Philippine Sea, other issues.
12:02.0
Pero, grabe, bro.
12:03.5
So, yung mga narinig natin
12:05.4
sa media nung time nila, Las Canias,
12:07.3
Matobato, this is probably just the surface, bro.
12:09.8
More can come out. And all
12:11.5
we need is ICC to come in or BBM
12:13.5
opening up investigations
12:15.6
to the highest levels. Sino bang tumatawag?
12:17.2
Sa'yo ba sa'kin? Sa'yo siguro.
12:19.7
Hindi sa'kin. Wala. Wala rin
12:21.4
sa'kin. Sino bang tumatawag?
12:23.5
Baka si Las Canias.
12:31.9
Nakakatakot to si Duterte.
12:36.3
This is creepy, bro.
12:39.0
Palitan na natin yung topic.
12:41.8
I can't hear anything.
12:44.6
Ano yung narinig mo? Wala ko narinig.
12:46.7
I'm hearing a call.
12:48.7
Para may tumatawag. Sa phone mo yaten,
12:50.4
bro. Wala dyan? Yung phone na ginagamit mo
12:52.3
ngayon? Wala. Wala ko narinig nga.
12:55.5
Yung phone mo ngayon. Phone ba?
12:58.5
May tumatawag yata sa phone na yun, bro.
13:00.5
Itong phone ng mismo na ginagamit mo ngayon.
13:04.5
Wala sa messenger, wala eh.
13:08.5
As in, yung phone na ginagamit mo ngayon to talk to me.
13:10.5
Yung sa harap mo ngayon.
13:12.5
Ayan, nawala na. Okay na.
13:14.5
Sige, balik mo ngunit yung boses mo.
13:22.5
Hindi ko narinig eh. Hindi ko narinig.
13:24.5
Basta creepy yun.
13:26.5
Basta you read the book, bro. Medyo na-migraine nga ako literally dahil doon eh. Grabe yung...
13:30.5
There's so much dark, bro. Dark stuff happened in the Philippines. Grabe nga eh.
13:35.5
Anyway, I won't be surprised na more is gonna come out, bro eh. Kasi...
13:41.5
Digong was the president. Kaya we never could have really an honest conversation about what happened nun.
13:46.5
Do you think yung sa IDC, that will also cover yung mga claims ni Las Cañas like yung sa Mindanao, yung operations daw?
13:53.5
Bro, it goes all the way back to Davao and all.
13:55.5
But one thing I appreciate about the book of Patricia Evangelista is she explains yung history. Bakit ganun?
14:01.5
Diba? Yung unalam yung time na Alsa Massa, yung laban nila sa mga NP. Madugo kasi yung kasaysayan ng Davao eh.
14:08.5
Kaya unique talaga si Digong eh. Kasi he comes from a unique place. Yun lang.
14:12.5
Ako bilang isang taga Baguio na proud person, I just feel, okay, maybe in Davao, in some sense, the Duterte way made sense. Although I still disagree with that.
14:21.5
Pero yung model niya sa Davao, hindi dapat applicable sa buong bansa kasi napakalayong kondisyones. We never had the kind of civil war.
14:28.5
Literally civil war, bro. Yung nangyari sa 1980s, 1970s dun sa Davao, diba? Patayan ng mga pro-military militias, ng NPA. Grabe.
14:39.5
At the theory, if binasa mo kay Patricia is, yung tinatawag na DDS, yung original one, is a composition of the veterans of both sides. So yun yung... Grabe, bro. Anyway, baka may tumawag naman.
14:51.5
I mean, I'm telling you, bro. Goosebumps level yun, bro. Pasahin mo yun. So there's so much we don't know yet. Parang kung mga surface level lang lahat yun.
14:59.5
So kaya kasi I'm saying, we need a legit organization to come in and investigate this thing.
15:03.5
Okay, last point, bro. On this Duterte-Delima thing, let's talk about social media. Like, what is your read of the realignments in social media?
15:13.5
Because your reading before, one year ago or two was, ang lakas ng obviously prodigong people.
15:20.5
Ang lakas ng obviously prodigong people. Ang lakas ng obviously prodigong people.
15:21.5
Not in Twitter, but practically all other platforms. Umiinig pa lang ang Tiktok noon. YouTube, it's not even a conversation. It's totally a mismatch.
15:32.5
But now things are changing, bro. I mean, BBM social media is very weak. But the pink is very strong on YouTube. Sobrang lakas ng pink ngayon. Malakas ang pink sa Tiktok.
15:43.5
Twitter, andon pa rin. Ever since. And Facebook, medyo patas na. So this is a very different social media.
15:50.5
Very different social media landscape, bro. Sin last year. I mean, now I can easily say Christian Esguerra. Pwede mo itapat yan kay Banat Pai, diba? Again, I don't mean it in a direct...
16:01.5
In terms of views, in terms of engagement and ano.
16:03.5
Medyo may laban sila, diba? You wouldn't have thought about it. By the way, isa sa mga latest followers ko ngayon, si Chris Tan, diba? That guy, if he does less of Bitcoin and more political analysis, people will appreciate because he's brand of political analysis.
16:19.5
You know, it's that kind of Banat style, diba? Medyo Banat Christian style.
16:23.5
Ang lakas ngayon ng... Ang lakas ngayon ng pink content. I'm looking at the views of, for example, si Armandine, si Vlad Caster.
16:33.5
But Armandine is not pink. He's Isco, right?
16:36.5
Hindi. He's very anti-Duterte.
16:38.5
Oh, pero Isco na anti-Duterte.
16:40.5
Yeah, yeah. Isco siya last election. Pero kasi wala... After Isco, tapos na. So ngayon either admin ka or opposition eh.
16:48.5
He is very opposition now. So he is...
16:51.5
And he's doing very well. He's doing very well.
16:53.5
He's doing very well. Yung kanyang channel is...
16:55.5
Yung mga nanonood sa akin, nanonood din sa akin nila eh. Diba? Nakikita mo sa YouTube page mo, yung sa analytics. People who watch me also watch Chris Tan, Christian Esguerra, yan si Armand. Yung mga ganun. Like yung usual suspects, diba?
17:07.5
So ang maganda ding point out, Richard, kung sa mga page, kung may mapapayo ka sa kanila, you need more. Gawa pa kayo. Because it's very ano eh.
17:17.5
Kumbaga, maganda din naman yung kita. Diba?
17:20.5
Exactly, bro. Thank you so much. You give that advice. Kasi I think people already see what I'm doing. Diba? I mean, hindi ako nagyabang ng top 20 podcast na ako ngayon sa Philippines, buong Philippines.
17:32.5
So I mean, I'm very proud of that. Bro, I mean, hindi ako nagyabang. You know how much heart and effort I put into that. Diba, bro? And I don't want to be emotional, but I'm super thankful to you, bro. Kasi ikaw nag-push sa akin. Ikaw pala din sabi, okay, Richard, in-interview ka ka around the world, CNN, New York Times, gano'n.
17:48.5
But you have to build your own platform, your own voice, your own channel, essentially. And lo and behold, a year and a half later on, thank God, ito na. And I'm very grateful to you, bro. So I really, really appreciate it.
18:01.4
And ako, ang gusto ko sa'yo kasi is because you can talk to all sides, diba? And idiots will say it's balingbingan or whatever, but you talk to all sides and all of that, and you have a bigger, more sophisticated understanding of the picture. Kaya yun ang gusto ko. Kasi atsaka yung mommy ko. Diba, ma?
18:18.5
Talaga ni Mark Gambo, ha?
18:22.7
Talagang ako dyan soon.
18:23.7
Pili ko ayaw na kay Banadbay masyado, pero ikaw, favorite niya. Sabi niya, kay Mark ka na lang muna.
18:31.1
Sasabihin ko din sa nangyayari, diba, yung fake lumalakas yung YouTube and yung views. Yung Uniteam, for whatever reason, nagsawa yung mga tao. Ang baba ng views, ang baba. For one year, ang baba.
18:43.7
So yung mga politika, nag-iba ng mga channel. Diba?
18:48.5
Ako nga, nag-showbiz. Yung iba, nag-travel. So nag-iba sila ng ano. Ngayon na lang lumalakas ulit. Because of yung nangyayaring rift ng DBS.
19:00.1
So ang malakas na lang si Maharlika. Tapos yung mga ibang nag-stop na DBS vloggers. They are starting to pick up na.
19:06.3
Kasi this is as, lalo na if they feel like Tigong is being threatened. So sisipa ulit. Sisipa ulit yung mga DBS na vloggers.
19:15.7
Sa side ng mga, ng mga Marcos.
19:18.5
Yun ang tinitignan ko pa kung who will eventually side with them. Kasi yun nga, pag pumili ka, you will lose your DBS viewers.
19:28.2
So yun ang challenge for the vloggers eh. Kapag nahati yung kanilang ano eh.
19:33.1
So, pero the DBS are still intact. Kaso yun nga, hanggang social media. Doon lang sila malakas sa ngayon.
19:39.3
Pero ganun yung trend na nangyayari. So, yun sa mga pink, tsaka doon sa mga loyalista, they should start ano, mga adding more.
19:47.4
Adding more voices.
19:48.5
Kasi it's about to get loud next year. So yun, yun ang mangyayari.
19:53.6
Of course, we didn't mention yung mga new rising stars. Sila, Atty. Libayan. Pansin ko nga, diba? Diba yung interview kasi?
20:00.5
Every time I post about me at saka si Idol Ravi Tulfo, andun yung mga anti-Tulfo people, bro. Yung attack, grabe. Sobrang grabe.
20:09.5
Kaya parang, wow, nabigla ako doon. So ngayon nag-guess ko na si Ravi Tulfo, deal pala with that. These are very, you know, very vociferous.
20:18.5
Ang mga attack talaga kay Ravi Tulfo.
20:20.7
Ravi yung awayan nila, nagkakademandahan na. Yeah, Atty. Libayan nga, very good. Nawala din sa isip ko. Ibang different kind of...
20:28.7
Totally different breed. Kaya nga, interesting to. Parang marvels to eh. May mga kanyang-kanyang mga labas, bro. Like, this is crazy. This is really crazy.
20:38.4
Kaya ako, ang thinking ko, mag-campo-campo tayo kayang RRM, RRL, lahat na yun, RRC.
20:45.8
It's good nga na ano eh.
20:47.1
Kasi na we don't get stuck to a label lang eh.
20:50.3
Na pag DDS ka, DDS ka all throughout. Pag pink ka, pink ka all throughout. Kasi we have different stance on different issues eh.
20:58.8
Intersectional tayo, bro. Intersectional.
21:02.0
Oo. Kasi parang hindi naman pwede na, kunyari, DDS ka, lahat na lang nasabihin nila, yun na lang yung tama.
21:08.9
Siyempre, merong mga issues din na maaaring iba yung pananaw mo, o mas agli ka kay Lenny, mas agli ka dun sa mga Marcos.
21:15.6
So, sa akin, mas maganda yung gano'n. Mas bukas sa, per issue, yung mag-decide yung mga tao.
21:25.5
Yun na, inis na inis ako pag yung mga sinasabi, ah, cloud chaser ka, or balingbing ka.
21:29.9
It has a very bobo kind of way of looking. Ano gusto mong kulto kami na purong nega lang dito, dito ang positive?
21:35.2
Well, BBM is doing fine sa West Philippine Sea. Why should I attack him on that?
21:39.7
At the same time, hindi ako masyadong kampante sa Maharlika Fund, but I'm not gonna say it's gonna bring the whole Philippine economy.
21:45.6
It's gonna bring the whole Philippine economy down. That's an exaggeration too, diba?
21:48.1
So, yun nga yung point ko, eh.
21:49.7
Tapos, may I say, hey, Darian, ilokahan yun kayo, bro, BBM. Yung mga gano'n, like mga cheap shots na gano'n.
21:55.1
Ang reason na sinasabi ko yun, Marcos, is because that prevents people from listening to diverse voices.
22:01.7
Kung gusto mo kulto-kulta lang, one-sided ka lang, wala talaga mangyayari sa atin.
22:04.8
Kaya ako, bro, ang damang ko natutunan because I talk to you, I talk to Ronald, I talk to people from different sides.
22:09.8
Si Banad ba ngayon, nakausap pa natin. May mga kaibigan tayo, nagalit sila.
22:14.2
The bad one is, I think, it's part of the conversation. We have to do that.
22:17.9
Kaya tuwan-tuwa ako sa ginagawa natin. We're building bridges.
22:22.1
It lowers the tension, eh. Kasi there's no reason para, diba, things to get sobrang heated, sobrang personal.
22:32.8
We're all debating for the sake of the country, para sa ikabubuti ng bansa.
22:38.9
Mga bayani, SM9 na bayani. Wala nang sinabi.
22:44.2
Harry, Harry Roque, ex-human rights lawyer.
22:48.7
Ito, last, last, bro, I wanna ask you. Let's put on our hats as, let's say, social media strategist, okay?
22:55.7
Let's put it this way. What should Marcos camp do? What should Sarah camp do?
22:59.8
And what should the yellow camp, or pink camp, rather, do in the next year ahead of the elections?
23:05.0
Anong advice mo sa each camp? Or what are the things to watch out for?
23:08.0
Or expectation mo sa each of these three camps?
23:11.5
A good question, ah. O nga.
23:14.2
Sa asa mo gusto, diba?
23:15.2
And then, ito ka lang. Ano lang, maybe we can make a proper episode about that na sobrang prepared tayo.
23:20.8
But this is just to give a teaser about what you and I do.
23:23.6
We're also looking at social media strategist because hindi naman tayo nag-i-blog.
23:27.3
But we're social media expert na in our own ways, diba?
23:30.7
Pink muna. Sa pink muna siguro. Let's start with the pink.
23:36.9
Ah, you want me also to go?
23:38.7
Kaya ako muna, ako muna, ako muna.
23:39.9
Please, go ahead, yeah.
23:41.1
Sa pink, like I said nga, sa pink.
23:44.2
Kaya nang magdagdag. Tapos, ano nga ba?
23:49.5
Una, magdagdag. Stay true to your values.
23:53.8
Support yung mga up-and-coming na politicians who share your values na attractive sa mas malawak na tao.
24:02.7
Kasi yung before, baka masyado na silang nasiraan noong previous administration.
24:08.8
So you also look for new people na itibild up.
24:10.8
Unless it's Leila Dalima. I think Leila Dalima should be a rallying cry for that.
24:14.2
For the pinks. I think she could be one of the rallying cries.
24:17.5
And Leila Dalima, she's on a mission. And yung mission niya is anti-Guterte talaga.
24:24.3
So, yeah, supportahan niyo siguro yung inano niya, yung what she's doing.
24:30.3
If you are in that camp, diba?
24:33.1
So, supportahan si Leila. Tapos, look for new leaders. Look for new people you could build up.
24:41.5
And elect people sa Congress.
24:44.2
Yan lang sa akin. Selag, syempre, automatic na yan. May mga tatakbo dyan.
24:47.3
Pero elect people sa party list. Yun ang parati ko sinasabi sa mga pinks.
24:51.2
And kahit sa DDS din. Advice ko na din. Elect people sa party list.
24:55.5
Social media, bro. In terms of social media strategy, like, what do you think should be the messaging?
25:01.7
What should be the approach? What should be the collaborations?
25:06.3
Ano ba yung outreach na dapat gawin? Social media. Not political mobilization.
25:11.0
We can have a big one with RRM na lang siguro, with Ronald or something.
25:14.2
So, for pink pa rin to?
25:16.8
Yeah, yeah. Pink and then DDS and then BBM.
25:20.6
Or ano yung mga nakikita natin eh. Siguro, ayaw mo na na-advise to.
25:23.9
Sa pink kasi, is growing yung base. Growing yung viewership.
25:28.6
Maganda yung momentum. I think may learning actually.
25:30.5
Maganda yung momentum.
25:32.8
Actually, that could have started earlier. Nung elections pa lang. Doon pa lang.
25:37.5
Ang laki na na pwedeng kinita yung mga vloggers na pink eh.
25:40.6
So, add more lang. Add more lang ng mga vloggers.
25:44.2
So, habang mainit, support Layla sa mga ano niya.
25:50.3
And actually, yun naman yung sinabi ko sa pink.
25:53.8
Pagdating sa Marcos Camp, paano nga ba? Medyo challenging yung sa Marcos Camp eh.
26:00.8
It's surprising, di ba? I mean, okay, let's talk about the Marcos Camp a bit.
26:04.6
Because surprisingly, they're the weakest link, right?
26:08.4
Like, they're the strongest in terms of political power, but they're weakest in terms of social media power.
26:12.9
What's going on here?
26:13.9
Is it because bumaliktad sila Maharlika?
26:18.5
Is it because the First Lady has a different take on this issue?
26:21.8
Siguro tingin niya, chika-chipa nga ang itong mga social media yan. Let's get distance from it.
26:25.8
Is it also because of complacency? Then, nawala pa si Paul Soriano, di ba?
26:29.6
For me, that's one...
26:30.6
Wala namang na-contribute si Paul Soriano.
26:32.4
How weak they are in social media?
26:35.0
I think, ang pinaka-biggest problem is hindi natutukan.
26:40.1
Parang ang feeling ko nung una, hindi ganun ka-importante sa kanila.
26:43.9
Mas importante yung mainstream media.
26:45.9
Which is the old way of looking at things.
26:47.7
Which, ano din eh, effective din naman.
26:52.6
Makes sense, exactly. It's still part of it.
26:55.7
It's still ano pa rin.
26:57.4
I think, they were starting to build na social media strategy nung panahon ni Vic Rodriguez.
27:03.7
Tapos natanggal si Vic Rodriguez, nagkagulo-gulo na.
27:07.0
And sa ngayon, hindi ko sure kung anong pinaka-next na plano nila.
27:12.8
Pero yun nga, they have the resources, they have the...
27:17.5
So, bumuuna sila ng strategy, bumuuna sila ng...
27:21.8
How are they going to highlight the success of the Marcos regime?
27:26.8
And siguro, mag-prepare lang kasi susuguri na sila ng DDS eh.
27:30.8
Yun nga eh. Tsaka China.
27:34.7
Yes, China. Yung mga makapili 2.0 club.
27:37.2
Lahat yun, atakin sila ng big time ngayon.
27:39.1
Ito ay pro-US. Ito yung 2.0 America.
27:41.8
Nag-cut ng deal with the US.
27:43.7
Alam mo na, lahat ng conspiracy theories, lalabas nila.
27:46.0
And it's not like it's easy.
27:47.2
It's not like it's hard to attack Marcos on issues of good governance and all of that.
27:52.7
Yeah, that's an interesting...
27:54.4
Siguro, more exciting din.
27:57.0
Kasi yun ang main difference with Digong eh.
27:59.1
Kasi yung kay BBM, ang problema, ang boring masyado nung pagpapatakbo.
28:04.5
Which is yun naman yung normal.
28:06.1
Fates man like masyado.
28:08.6
Kaso, when it comes to views, to ano wala eh.
28:11.8
Nag-translate eh.
28:12.7
And pag mababa yung views, yung mga vloggers, hindi din tumutuloy.
28:18.8
Hindi din gumagawa ng vlogs if they don't make money from that vlogs.
28:23.7
So, look for a way to...
28:26.0
Kung paano ibabrand yung mga success nung administration eh.
28:30.1
In a way that would translate to views and to magandang numbers pagdating sa social media.
28:39.5
Kasi sa ngayon, wala eh.
28:41.0
Magaganda naman yung mga...
28:41.8
Yung mga proyekto na nakalatag so far.
28:45.0
Yung mga pabahay.
28:46.0
Yung mga ibang mga build-build more na mga proyekto.
28:50.5
Wala mga hard-to-find.
28:51.7
Medyo malago yun, no?
28:55.3
May mga pondo naman.
28:56.3
May mga gagawin naman.
28:57.3
So, look for a way to...
28:59.9
Para i-branding ng ano.
29:01.4
And nawala yung ano eh.
29:03.8
Hindi ko din alam kung...
29:05.1
Kasi before, nung bago tumakbo sa BBM,
29:07.1
yung Marcos Mythology,
29:09.6
yung FM na mythology,
29:14.6
yun ang nawala eh.
29:15.8
After the election,
29:17.0
parang wala na ako nakikita masyado about that.
29:19.6
Yung mga gold bars and mga...
29:23.2
BBM needs his own mythology na.
29:25.9
Hindi na pwede...
29:26.8
Sabaga, yun kasi eh.
29:27.8
His dads, coat tails.
29:30.4
It's time for him to build his own legacy,
29:32.6
his own branding.
29:34.6
In the same way na Sara Osas
29:36.4
has to begin to become her own.
29:38.3
Hindi lang siya yung anak lang ni Digong, diba?
29:42.5
Anak lang sila ng mga malalaking tao.
29:44.3
Albeit very controversial and problematic
29:45.9
at least from my perspective.
29:47.8
So it's time for them to build their own brand.
29:49.5
What is the Sara Duterte brand?
29:51.5
Not just the Duterte brand.
29:52.6
What is the Marcos Jr. brand
29:54.5
versus just Marcos Sr. brand?
29:56.7
Kasi marami sa mga loyalista kay Marcos Sr.
29:59.2
Kay Maharlika sila.
30:00.8
Hindi sila kay BBM, diba?
30:02.8
May mga ganun din.
30:03.7
At sinisisi si First Lady.
30:07.2
Ang problema pa, nandyan pa si Aimee.
30:14.1
Loyalista pa rin sila pero kay Aimee.
30:17.6
Pagdating sa DDS,
30:18.9
pagdating kay Sara,
30:21.3
hindi, parang kay Sara kasi pareho lang eh.
30:25.1
The same profile.
30:25.8
Panahon ng dad nga,
30:27.5
it worked really well eh.
30:30.9
uulitin lang din eh.
30:32.9
yun talaga branding nila eh.
30:34.8
Medyo kulang sa innovation.
30:41.2
why change it eh?
30:42.9
maski yun pa rin eh.
30:43.7
Kasi ang hirap talaga eh.
30:45.1
Ang hirap talagang kalabanin,
30:46.3
ang hirap talagang talunin.
30:51.0
and yung mga vloggers,
30:52.5
yung salbahe style,
30:54.6
ang hirap talagang,
30:55.8
ang hirap talagang,
30:56.8
kung maga it's toxic,
30:58.0
and it's bad for the country,
31:02.0
pagdating sa social media na ano.
31:06.7
it was like a one-time wonder
31:10.1
mahirap na i-replicate yan.
31:13.4
was a special moment
31:14.3
in Philippine politics eh.
31:15.9
Ito yung time ng Brexit,
31:18.3
inis ng tao sa mga
31:19.5
hypocrisy ng Liberal Party,
31:21.8
and self-righteousness niya.
31:23.0
I'm not sure if we can
31:23.8
keep on replicating after.
31:25.5
Pero kasi the base is still there,
31:26.8
nagpapahinga lang eh.
31:29.1
And the same way na diba si Lenny,
31:30.4
biglang nagulat tayo,
31:31.4
ang lakit ng base niya.
31:32.4
Ganon din yung sa DTS,
31:33.5
nagpapahinga lang yan.
31:34.8
pag inaatake na yung sila,
31:37.1
Pero how much of that
31:39.7
Because many will say,
31:40.7
a lot of that was also because
31:41.9
ang daming pera naman yan
31:44.7
I'm not sure how much money
31:45.9
The money is with the
31:47.9
They have the logistics
31:50.2
You get what I'm saying?
31:51.7
I guess ko yung argument na
31:56.5
Pero at the same time,
31:57.3
I think we're underestimating
31:58.4
also the power of machinery.
32:00.3
How machinery boosted
32:01.5
further the Duterte machine.
32:02.7
Kaya nga siguro hindi masyadong
32:04.9
nag-focus sa social media
32:09.1
totoo naman din nga,
32:10.4
laking factor nga
32:11.1
dahil sa mga resources
32:12.1
nung panahon na yun.
32:13.2
Pero ang punto lang
32:15.7
kung political vlogger ka
32:17.5
tapos wala ka pang
32:19.3
pinakamalaki pa rin
32:22.9
Kasi nandun pa rin yung
32:25.4
nandun pa rin yung
32:28.2
numbers don't lie.
32:31.0
nakikitain mo eh.
32:33.0
kunyari walang inaabot
32:37.7
mas malaki pa rin
32:44.0
nandun yung base nila,
32:44.9
nandun yung manunood,
32:46.2
nandun yung makikipag-away,
32:52.1
What would you suggest?
32:53.6
last one ko siguro,
32:54.8
before we close this,
32:55.7
kasi I think we need
32:56.6
a proper episode.
32:57.6
Talagang isipin natin
32:58.6
na mabuti yan eh.
33:03.1
makabalang mukha natin.
33:04.2
We do a head of curve
33:09.5
is how to position
33:15.6
think about this.
33:18.6
can come back to power
33:20.4
a progressive government
33:25.3
this very difficult situation
33:27.8
this big opportunity
33:32.3
that many were not
33:33.1
expecting this early.
33:35.3
it raises some big questions
33:36.6
because in terms of
33:37.2
convictions and principles,
33:40.9
if you're a hard,
33:44.7
or pink for that matter.
33:46.3
At the same time,
33:48.9
You have to win back
33:50.2
You have to put the president
33:52.3
You have to put some people
33:53.3
there in power, right?
33:54.3
So, you have to learn
33:54.9
how to navigate it.
33:56.8
I'm still thinking about it.
33:58.1
What's the way to do it?
34:00.3
I'm always trying
34:00.9
to navigate things.
34:06.6
pa-self-righteous,
34:09.1
na cancel culture.
34:10.5
Alam mo yung mga ganyan.
34:11.8
Hindi na gagana yan.
34:12.8
At the same time,
34:13.8
huwag rin maging trapo.
34:14.8
Huwag rin maging balimbing.
34:15.9
So, it's a very hard balance
34:19.3
It's about growing the tent, eh.
34:21.7
It's building coalitions, right?
34:23.6
It's building coalitions, eh.
34:24.7
Kasi yung kay Lenny,
34:29.2
solid na yan, eh.
34:30.0
Nandiyan na yan, eh.
34:31.6
Pero, I think it's about,
34:33.5
alliances and growing,
34:39.0
And growing the, ano,
34:40.0
growing the base.
34:41.7
Principle compromise.
34:43.2
I mean, not compromise.
34:44.7
but secondary, tertiary issue,
34:45.9
maybe you can work around it.
34:47.6
This is interesting.
34:48.4
I think we should have
34:49.5
another episode on this.
34:51.2
Social media strategy
34:52.3
for different camps, no?
34:54.5
Because things are interesting.
34:56.5
That's a very good question
34:59.9
medyo nablanko din ako
35:00.8
kung how they need
35:02.8
to best go forward.
35:06.5
We're just thinking out loud
35:07.9
for this episode.
35:08.7
Hopefully, in the next episodes,
35:09.7
we can be a little bit more
35:10.8
more precise and all of that.
35:12.4
And probably, I'll also write down
35:13.5
a number of things on this issue.
35:14.7
This is very important.
35:16.8
thank you very much.
35:17.7
My great co-host,
35:19.2
my original co-host.
35:20.3
Sorry nalang kay Ronald
35:25.3
Ito yung first love.
35:28.2
Ito yung OG natin.
35:29.5
Thank you so much, Mark.
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I hope you'll have a long weekend
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And looking forward to
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catching up more on
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but also Idbulaga.
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Thank you so much.
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Project Pilpinas.
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Project Pilpinas.
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Talk to you soon.
