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by public demand.
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Kamusta kayo dyan, everyone?
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Here we are, back
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again together, R&R.
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Here we are, R&R.
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Kamusta kayo dyan, Secretary
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Kamusta, Angkol mo? Preparation for Christmas.
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Dami mo siguro ng
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Yun nga eh, tatapin na natin mga regalo
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I don't know how it comes.
00:34.1
Kung maraming regalo, maraming
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utang. Kailangan ibalik din.
00:37.4
Wala pa naman ng Ilocana.
00:38.8
Kami yung mga karaniwan tao.
00:41.5
Dito lang kami sa baba.
00:43.1
Naghihintay ng mga grass siya.
00:46.5
Naghihintay ng mugs, t-shirts.
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Okay na kami ron.
00:50.1
Guys, let's be clear.
00:51.3
Hindi niyo pa nakita yung guapo natin,
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pero medyo socialine na hotel yata
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ang sinestay niya ngayon.
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Hindi natin sabihin sa'yo.
00:58.5
Hindi, makakulang to.
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Mga hanging ato pa dyan.
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Parang Scandinavian style.
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Parang kilala ko yung hotel na yan.
01:09.4
Parang kilala ko yung hotel na yan.
01:12.2
May reputation daw yung mga nagsijek.
01:15.1
Hindi ito patulad ng mga hotels
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sa Malaysia, sa Europe.
01:21.1
Ito dito lang sa mga gilid-gilid.
01:22.6
Ronald, para sa bayan.
01:24.6
Service para sa bayan.
01:26.7
Bayad ng ibang mga gobyerno
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hindi sa Pilipinas.
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In most concerts, events.
01:32.7
Ito, ito, ito, ito.
01:33.5
Dami natin pag-usapan.
01:34.7
Let's first start, of course,
01:36.3
with what has been dominating the news
01:39.0
also been a big concern for all of us.
01:41.2
So, doble ang nangyari, no?
01:42.4
So, sa isang banda,
01:43.6
binuli itong China
01:44.6
with another canon nila,
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itong resupply vessels natin.
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At doon pa si Bronner,
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yung military chief natin.
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kung na-injury yan or something,
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medyo ibang usapan niyan.
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I wonder if the Chinese did it intentionally,
01:57.9
what they're trying to do.
01:59.1
just as I was updating
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with what is happening dito
02:02.5
sa situation nila General Bronner
02:05.1
and yung grabe mga higanteng
02:06.8
water canoning vessels nila,
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nakita ko yung update
02:10.7
ng kaibigan natin,
02:17.0
ang itong Christmas convoy natin,
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which is something you and I
02:21.2
have been talking about.
02:22.4
may mga nainis na kasama ko
02:25.8
Di sila pinaprotectan
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kasi na-shadowed sila
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Or vessels from China.
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So, ako nag-comment ako,
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where on earth is our people?
02:35.9
So, immediately nag-respond.
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I think wala pang literally one minute.
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Commodore J. Tarilea
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ng Philippine Coast Guard
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with satellite footage and all
02:45.2
saying na actually
02:48.1
and we were encouraging them
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to stay their course
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but mukhang yung kapitan
02:52.2
ng itong convoy na ito
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decided that, you know,
02:55.1
the risk perhaps was too much.
02:56.3
So, I have the government side
02:58.1
and I reflected that
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Shinair ko rin yan.
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Nag-thank ko rin ako
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kay Commodore J. Tarile.
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But for the sake of fairness,
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what is the other side
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you have been part of the organization
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of this special historic convoy.
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papunood ko lang sa mga balita
03:15.6
at saka sa mga statements,
03:17.3
parang ang daming lumabas
03:18.7
ng mga balita, no?
03:21.6
very positive naman, no?
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Pero sabi mo nga kanina,
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dun sa Scarborough
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Na yung mga BIFAR
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ay winatar kanon.
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At yung mga mangiisda,
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pati yung mga mangiisda
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winatar kanon, eh.
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Tinamaan sila, eh.
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Dahil, yung BIFAR
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ay magdadala ng supplies
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sa Bajo de Masinlop.
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parang very innocent
03:50.7
yung operations na yun, eh.
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hindi man lang Coast Guard,
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just bringing food,
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nung sila ay binomba.
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for the first time,
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may ginamit na parang
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mga sonic weapons.
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tsaka mga BIFAR, no?
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kailangan ng confirmation
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medyo scaling up yan, no?
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kaya kinakailangang
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ng mga Coast Guard vessels
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palayo ng Ayungin.
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Yun nga yung nabanggit mo na
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Chief of Staff Browner,
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itong Christmas Convoy,
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tatlong Coast Guard
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kinakailangang mag-rush
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at hindi na makaandar.
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Ah, so related yung dalawa.
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Yeah, so naiwan dun sa
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isang Coast Guard.
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meron namang dalawang Navy
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anong nangyari dito
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papasok pa lang sila
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Sabina Rift Bayon
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Biglang may nakita silang
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Hindi Coast Guard, ah.
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Chinese Coast Guard.
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Isa rin ay parang
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umiikot sa kanila.
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At nakita mo naman
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Chinese Coast Guard
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Philippine Coast Guard.
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doon na kinabahan
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you have to understand
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hindi naman kasi to
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na napunta sa lugar
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pero training ship.
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medyo dumidilim na.
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At ang tingin niya
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ng ganyong maneuvers
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baka magbunguan sila.
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sa ganong klaseng
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Kahit sinabihan siya
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Philippine Coast Guard
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magmamanuver kami
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Chinese Coast Guard
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eh hindi siya sanay
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So kinabahan siya.
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ang kanyang unang
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yun yung nangyari
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dahil hindi nga siya sanay
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sa ganong klaseng
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nitong Chinese warships.
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hindi ito Chinese
07:56.8
Chinese Coast Guard.
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yun yung nangyari.
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vessel ng atin ito
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dun sa mas mababaw
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at saka Coast Guard.
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Kaya nakalusot siya
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na nakapagbaba siya
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ng mga donations.
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ay binigay sa Coast Guard
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at pahala na sila
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Ganun yung alam kong
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both international
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Pero galit na galit sila
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kalayo pa sa Ayungin
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malayo pa sa Ayungin
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Yun ang nangyari.
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Full intimidation
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tactic talaga yan.
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Kasi full intimidation
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So ito yung response
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Tariello sa akin.
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Philippine Coast Guard
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the one following
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Is that how I pronounce it?
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That's the name of the ship.
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Kapitan Oka yung vessel.
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The vessel coming from
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the right side of the convoy
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is the Chinese Coast Guard.
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May pinakita siyang
09:39.7
It was the decision
09:42.7
referring to Kapitan Oka
09:51.0
because hindi na ako
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nag back and forth
09:55.2
Tama yung sinabi ni
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na parang may sinisisi ako.
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I was just trying to clarify
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dahil yung nangyari
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nga sa Scarborough
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tapos yung nangyari
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nag-create na lang
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ganong klaseng fear eh.
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Hindi siya nangyari
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nakasakay sa boat,
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gusto magpatuloy.
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Gusto nila magpatuloy.
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nakita ko yung mga video eh
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nung Kapitan Oka.
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Sinasabi nung mga
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yung kapitan na masusunod
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Dahil nga dun sa mga
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pag tumutol yung mga
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Para yung nangyayari
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klaseng na Pacific.
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Yung boat captain
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Martial law yan eh.
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Oo, martial law yan.
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Kahit sinasabihan siya
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oh dito magtago ka
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Sinasabihan ng Coast Guard
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Mukhang wala siyang
11:19.6
first time niyang
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napunta sa lugar na yan
11:21.8
at first time man
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nakakita ng ganyang
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Doon siya kinabahan.
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tsaka Coast Guard
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tingin niya kung magkamali
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bubong bubo siya.
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Hindi ko alam yung mga
11:38.9
ganyang klaseng mga
11:42.8
But linawi natin ah
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yung mga nakasakay
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gusto magpatuloy.
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Gusto nila magpatuloy
11:50.3
Medyo frustrated sila
11:51.9
pero nauunawaan nila
11:54.1
Kahit yung mga media
11:55.0
na nakasakay sa boat
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nung nangyari yung
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at saka Coast Guard.
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nung nangyari yan.
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while it was happening.
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Very equal naman eh.
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yung mga pangyayari.
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But that's my point, Ron.
12:44.9
Magpadala ka ng mga
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knowing na siguro
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talaga mga civilians
12:52.9
baka may intel pa sila
12:55.7
In charge of this
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gaslight ourselves here.
13:03.8
and the escalation
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in fact that's the term
13:07.2
ng mga kaibigan natin
13:09.6
National Security Council
13:14.8
this is a provocation
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ay galit na galit
13:23.8
Ito yung quote niya.
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It's pure aggression
13:25.7
I personally witnessed
13:28.0
the big Chinese Coast Guard
13:29.6
have cut our path
13:30.9
they watered Canada
13:34.2
the other incident
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pero at the same time
13:36.3
meron ka pang incident
13:37.0
na ginaganon lang
13:40.5
so ayon kay Jonathan Malaya
13:41.7
this is a serious escalation
13:43.2
on the part of the agents
13:44.4
of the People's Republic
13:47.0
so these are very very strong
13:48.3
words that are coming out
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ang tanong ko ng Ronald dito
13:51.5
of course I'll go back
13:53.3
to what I've been writing
13:54.6
my take on this issue
13:55.4
what Chinese are up to
13:57.4
again I'll try to play
13:59.0
the devil's advocate
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the part you say na
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there should have been
14:05.0
more preparations
14:05.8
before this was done
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and there should have been
14:08.2
that China will use
14:09.2
some very serious
14:10.2
intimidation tactics
14:14.7
they were not ready for this
14:16.6
there should have been
14:19.5
who know how to deal
14:20.4
with the situations
14:22.4
of Philippine Navy
14:23.2
or now in commercial
14:25.4
or there should have been
14:31.5
getting permission
14:32.1
from the government
14:32.8
was taking so long
14:33.8
and probably may kulang
14:37.5
that is going down here
14:38.5
is in a negative sense
14:47.3
kasi sarili natin
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natatakot na tayo
14:50.2
umikot sa sarili natin
14:51.6
medyo ibang klase
14:52.4
ng intimidation yan
14:58.5
yung ganoon sa sabihin
15:00.0
and Duterte people
15:00.9
so ang sinisabi ko dito is
15:02.3
we have to have that
15:05.7
about the potential
15:07.0
that will come out
15:07.9
after that incident
15:08.8
kaya I'm not saying
15:10.4
but I could see why
15:11.3
Commodore Tariella
15:12.4
will immediately come out
15:14.9
we were providing support
15:16.5
we wanted them to continue
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this was their call
15:20.6
you get what I'm saying
15:21.3
kasi the optics is
15:23.5
it's helping our case eh
15:30.3
Christian na naman ah
15:34.6
maliban sa mga trolls
15:45.0
na nag-turn around
15:49.4
private ship captain
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tingin ko yun yung
15:54.1
at saka weaknesses
15:55.3
private ship captain
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ito yung first time kasi
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ito yung first time
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yung armed forces
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tsaka yung civilian convoy
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ng civilian convoy
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na may sarili silang
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may sarili silang
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sumakay na lang lahat
16:18.8
sa coast guard eh
16:23.5
foreign correspondents
16:26.2
simultaneous telecast
16:33.1
ang daming bawal eh
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ito yung first time
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na pinayagan lahat yan
16:37.1
after several weeks
16:41.3
at the end of the day
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pinayagan yung mga
16:43.3
foreign correspondents
16:44.4
bagamat meron lang
16:45.5
ng mga nag-backout
16:57.6
at hindi sila pwedeng
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dun sa mga nakalista
17:12.5
uprubahan yung mga
17:13.4
foreign correspondents
17:16.3
ikalawa eventually
17:18.2
ang simultaneous telecast
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ng mga journalist
17:24.5
pwede ka mag-telecast
17:32.8
maraming first eh
17:35.8
kailangan mo maunawaan
17:39.2
may mga vacuum eh
17:42.8
dahil sa nangyari
17:46.5
imbis na kumuha ka
17:51.3
fishermen's boats
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at saka yung media
17:57.8
at saka yung ate nito
17:60.0
pwede na sila magsama
18:11.4
private captain yan
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in a private boat
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hindi yung postcard
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iba yung threshold
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they're willing to
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with a private captain
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sa ganong klaseng problema
18:37.2
hindi yan centralized
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ngayon kung yung mga
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restrictions ay natanggal na
18:43.6
command in the future
18:50.9
dahil marami silang
18:56.2
hindi masyadong marami
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sa Bajo de Masinloc
19:02.4
at saka hindi ganong kalayo
19:07.7
yung mga lessons dito
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yung Bajo de Masinloc
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yung isang pinag-uusapan
19:24.6
kumuha ng private boat
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at saka private captain
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mag-uusap na lang
19:31.0
pag private talaga
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pag without water
19:34.7
pag pinakaikutan ka na
19:37.9
na-nervousin ka talaga eh
19:46.8
sa private vessel
19:56.5
taxi drivers are fantastic
20:05.8
na inis sa Pilipinas
20:06.6
just my take on this issue
20:08.6
katulad ng sinulat natin
20:10.1
sa isang article natin is
20:11.2
China is trying to regain
20:13.1
yung strategic initiative
20:15.6
na-fluster talaga sila
20:17.5
hindi na nila na-expect
20:21.8
we can debate about
20:22.5
how much of this is
20:24.1
they didn't expect that
20:25.2
under a Ferdinand Marcos Jr.
20:27.8
would be disassertive
20:30.2
transparency initiative
20:31.4
ng Philippine Coast Guard
20:34.1
resupply missions
20:35.0
ng Armed Forces of the Philippines
20:37.4
with our partners
20:39.1
joint aerial patrols
20:40.3
with the United States
20:42.2
a joint naval patrol
20:44.9
quadrilateral patrols
20:48.4
for other partners
20:49.3
nagsama-sama lahat yan
20:50.7
meron pa yung ETCA aspect
20:52.0
na pinag-usapan natin
20:53.8
this is also about China
20:55.4
pressing and intimidating
20:56.7
us sa West Philippine Sea
20:59.7
yung gusto niya sa Taiwan
21:00.8
pag manggugulo kayo
21:03.3
kakawain namin kayo dito
21:06.7
really desperate now
21:09.0
the strategic initiative
21:10.5
we really surprised them
21:13.3
really surprised them
21:16.7
Aquino on steroids
21:18.7
Aquino would have
21:23.5
after Aquino lang
21:24.5
you could imagine
21:25.9
na what Aquino started
21:26.9
BBM is pushing it
21:28.4
to the next level
21:29.3
itong pagbisita niya
21:30.4
sa Indo-Pacific Command
21:31.6
all of these big things
21:32.8
happening here and there
21:34.5
having said all of those things
21:35.8
obviously the question
21:36.6
I raise here is this
21:38.6
is not just testing
21:39.9
it's also testing
21:40.8
the United States
21:41.8
ang tanong ngayon is
21:43.9
sa response ng US
21:45.5
their typical response
21:50.2
mutual defense treaty
21:53.3
they're not gonna do
21:54.9
but they'll do anything
21:55.7
short of an armed attack
21:57.0
they're gonna water
22:00.7
that's where we are
22:01.8
ang isang maganda rito
22:03.2
sa mga pangyayari
22:08.0
scaling up of aggression
22:12.0
sa West Philippine Sea
22:20.8
humingi ng tulong
22:27.3
sariling military presence
22:34.0
dahil nag-gulpi ka
22:36.6
yung mga pelikula
22:37.8
nagpapagulpi muna
22:40.6
ganoon yung nangyari
22:45.3
humingi ng tulong
22:46.1
wala tayong hiningi
22:47.5
nagbigay ng statement
22:56.5
nabasa ko nga kanina
23:00.1
yung statement nila
23:05.5
300 years of neutrality
23:07.9
they're joining NATO
23:08.6
but this is a country
23:10.3
which is very careful
23:11.4
about what they say
23:13.2
tayo yung mga Sweden
23:17.2
they have centuries
23:18.0
parang silang Switzerland
23:19.4
and now of course
23:20.5
they're joining NATO
23:21.1
because of Russia
23:21.7
that's a long discussion
23:23.4
but that's my point
23:25.3
I completely agree with you
23:28.1
we are reminding the world
23:29.2
that this is our issue
23:35.3
yung sarili natin
23:37.0
but the reality is
23:38.2
the Chinese are treating this
23:39.5
as part of a bigger fight
23:43.5
of the rest of ASEAN
23:44.8
over the past 24 hours
23:46.6
ang dami kong pinost
23:49.4
kung nasaan ng Pangulo
23:51.8
not a single part of it
23:52.6
single ASEAN country
23:53.6
or not the ASEAN as a whole
23:54.9
has said anything about
23:56.3
never mind this incident
23:57.7
five or six other incidents
23:59.5
throughout the year
24:00.5
the bullying that is happening to us
24:04.1
ano bang ambag nila ngayon
24:09.8
medyo tahimik yung ASEAN
24:11.5
parang yung Vice President
24:18.1
pero that's a good segue
24:19.4
papunta na tayo dyan
24:20.8
parang yung Vice President
24:22.5
parang yung Vice President
24:26.2
isang bahagi na scaling up
24:28.8
AFP Chief of Staff
24:30.9
nung in-interview siya
24:35.2
Chinese vessels dito
24:37.2
mukhang naghahanda sila
24:39.4
para dito sa pagdating
24:40.5
ng Christmas Convoy
24:41.9
yun lang sabi ni Browner
24:43.4
mukhang naghahanda sila
24:46.1
sa mga vlogs natin
24:47.5
mukhang naghahanda sila
24:50.4
paghahandaan nila
24:51.1
sa Christmas Convoy
24:52.6
less than a hundred
24:58.0
ano makakatakutan mo ron
25:02.3
makakatakutan mo ron
25:03.1
pero yun ang sabi ni Browner
25:04.3
kaya natawa nga ako
25:07.3
mukhang naghahanda sila
25:08.5
dito para sa Christmas Convoy
25:11.5
wala naman civil society
25:13.4
in a strict sense of the word
25:14.6
because they're not allowed
25:20.4
wala silang konsepto
25:22.6
autonomous civil society
25:24.2
especially on very sensitive
25:31.0
trying to survive
25:32.1
territorial situation
25:33.8
as far as the state
25:35.6
they don't understand
25:37.0
what's an independent
25:38.0
they don't understand
25:39.3
isang Ronald Llamas
25:40.5
na wala na sa gobyerno
25:44.1
at hindi nila alam
25:46.7
minsan napipilitan
25:47.4
parang Richard H. Darion
25:49.7
alam naman sa gilid-gilid
25:53.7
may podcast na lang
25:57.8
kwento-kwento na lang dito
25:58.8
pamarates-marates na lang
26:05.1
elephant in the room
26:09.6
ay yung sarili nilang tao
26:13.2
Chinese nationalism
26:15.2
na hinahandaan nila
26:19.4
natapos na nilatingin nila
26:22.8
economic problems eh
26:24.2
so it's not just about
26:27.7
Chinese nationalism
26:29.6
this is a distraction eh
26:31.3
away from their problems
26:36.1
dahil nung sinimulan
26:37.7
yung world diplomacy
26:38.6
hindi pa masyadong
26:42.6
not only economics
26:44.4
not only demographics
26:47.0
mga simpleng mga problema
26:50.7
binabaha ang Beijing
26:53.1
key cities ng China
26:54.4
nararamdaman nila ngayon
26:56.2
yung climate change
26:57.1
so ang dami nilang problema
26:59.1
dun sila kinakabahan
27:00.8
if their middle class
27:02.4
in the hundreds of millions
27:07.4
ng Communist Party
27:09.5
middle class nila
27:10.6
in its hundreds of millions
27:12.4
400 to 500 million
27:14.0
ay magiging disenchanted
27:16.0
with the leadership
27:18.3
na wala na siyang
27:23.6
yung kanyang kapangyarihan
27:25.3
yun yung problema
27:26.6
pag wala ng ibang paksyon
27:29.3
the box stops with you
27:32.9
isang strategy ito
27:34.0
yung mga foreign countries
27:37.5
doon nila dila divert
27:38.8
yung posibleng disenchantment
27:45.6
mga pragmatic din ito
27:48.0
hindi naman ito mga bobo
27:49.4
medyo hindi rin sila
27:51.8
hindi sila tatawid
27:56.2
hindi sila tatawid dyan
27:57.5
kaya ang kino ko nila
28:11.6
makasukin yung supply
28:13.9
sasakalin nila yan
28:16.4
para tayo na mismo
28:18.2
ang kusang umatras
28:27.6
na posibleng magprovoke
28:29.1
ng mutual defense treaty
28:32.4
wala pa sa perspective nila
28:35.7
but our question is
28:38.6
they're not gonna cross
28:40.5
but short of crossing
28:42.2
they can do 10,000
28:43.9
to the Philippines
28:44.5
that's the point eh
28:46.4
itidrain nila yung ilog
28:48.4
sa ilalim na Rubicon
28:50.2
they're gonna build
28:51.8
on the other side
28:52.8
of the Rubicon River
28:54.2
itodrain nila yung ilog
28:55.7
that's my point eh
28:57.3
I mean that's a very good analogy
29:01.0
train the Rubicon
29:02.2
and make three gorgeous dam
29:05.1
hindi pwede yung style
29:07.8
na parating i-remind
29:09.2
wag nyo ng Pilipinas
29:16.5
there's a lot of challenge
29:19.0
and the Philippines
29:21.0
they respond to this
29:23.6
hindi lang siya gray zone eh
29:25.3
magba black zone na siya
29:26.7
but just short of arm attack siya
29:28.7
50 shades kasi yan eh
29:32.0
before we go to the next part
29:34.2
because I wanna talk
29:35.7
because from what I understand
29:37.2
President Marcos Jr.
29:38.6
will be visiting that country
29:40.3
from what I understand
29:42.6
President Xi Jinping of China
29:43.8
is actually in Vietnam
29:44.5
and Vietnam is like the
29:45.6
the nation of the year
29:47.3
it's a country that
29:50.9
within a single year
29:52.4
has been treated as importantly
29:54.7
the Philippines is also
29:56.4
and if there's one
29:57.9
na pinakamalapit sa atin
29:59.6
threat perception sa China
30:01.2
dahil sa kanilang
30:01.9
thousand years of struggle
30:11.0
nung kinawawan ng China
30:13.3
Vietnamese fishermen
30:15.6
nag-release ng statement
30:16.7
ng Department of Foreign Affairs
30:18.6
expressing solidarity
30:20.9
alam din natin na
30:21.9
throughout the decade
30:24.0
in the Aquino administration
30:28.1
semi-alliance with us
30:31.4
they did piggy bank
30:33.2
Advertation Award
30:34.2
so parang ang point ko is
30:35.2
kumita sila sa relationship natin
30:37.0
at nagparamdam sila na
30:38.2
there's more to this relationship
30:39.8
but they're kind of
30:40.9
also missing in action
30:41.7
I mean I cannot expect
30:42.6
much from Malaysia
30:46.6
very pragmatic din
30:48.7
very pragmatic din sila
30:50.9
nandun sila sa UNCLOS eh
30:52.4
nag-observed sila
30:54.3
sabi nga nila sa akin eh
30:55.5
nung nasa UNCLOS kami
30:56.7
pag nanalo kayo dyan
30:59.4
magpa-file din kami ng case
31:01.4
nung na-meet ko sila
31:03.7
they let us on eh
31:05.0
nung na-meet ko sila
31:07.5
akala ko magpa-file kayo ng case
31:10.9
ang sabi nila sa akin
31:13.1
communist party leader
31:14.6
sabi nila sa akin
31:16.4
panalo na kayo eh
31:18.2
susunod nila kami
31:25.3
ay yung trade nila with China
31:27.0
may love-hate relationship
31:28.8
ang Vietnam with China eh
31:31.0
they've been at war
31:31.8
for a thousand years
31:32.9
they've been at war
31:33.8
pero nung pumunta ako sa kanila
31:40.3
yung kanilang defense chief
31:41.6
yung kanilang foreign minister
31:43.2
at yung kanilang intelligence chief
31:45.7
kasama ko pa nga si
31:46.5
Bali Gutierrez no?
31:49.2
undersecretary ko pa siya nun eh
31:51.7
nga pala naring work pala sa
31:55.3
undersecretary ko
31:56.2
with Chito Gascon
32:00.4
ng mga Vietnamese
32:01.8
especially during
32:04.6
the worst of times
32:05.7
nung may gera sila
32:07.7
in recent history
32:09.7
meron silang dalawang gera
32:12.1
in-invade pa ang Vietnam
32:16.7
tapos may nangyari pang
32:18.3
incident sa Spratlys
32:20.6
may nangyari pang
32:24.1
ang napatay ng China
32:26.5
yung tension nila
32:28.6
mas matindi sa tension natin
32:31.8
yung kanilang backdoor
32:33.2
yung kanilang bilateral
32:36.1
meron pa rin silang
32:39.9
military to military exchanges
32:45.3
during the worst of times
32:47.8
nung pumunta ako sa kanila
32:52.0
na meron pala silang
32:56.0
sa South China Sea
32:59.5
syempre hindi yan
33:02.2
meron silang code of conduct
33:03.6
na hindi maaprubahan
33:06.8
kaya bilanggit ko yun eh
33:11.7
love-hate relationship
33:13.5
perhaps it's not that accurate
33:14.8
na may mga times na
33:17.7
ang kanilang trade
33:20.7
ang kanilang gera
33:30.8
nakikilabang sila
33:31.8
sa trade with China
33:34.2
I mean much of what
33:37.2
Chinese capital investment
33:39.0
pero ganoon din ang
33:42.2
na ginawang made in Vietnam
33:43.6
pero ganoon din ang
33:46.6
halos dalawang beses
33:47.9
nagkaroon din ang
33:50.0
pero malaking bahagi
33:51.6
ng pharmaceutical
33:53.3
ay dependent on China
34:01.5
intense yung kanilang
34:03.0
away sa kanilang borders
34:07.8
sa ating relasyon
34:19.2
where their mouth is
34:26.5
at saka investments
34:30.5
I have to cut you
34:32.7
kahapon pa tinatanong sa akin
34:35.0
when I was in Singapore
34:38.4
munti kaong nag fanboy
34:45.2
semiconductor producer
34:48.5
leather jacket parate
34:50.5
dapat mga friends kayo
34:54.3
in addition to Apple
34:56.1
to move more of their
34:57.0
production to Vietnam
34:57.9
so ang nangyayari ngayon
34:59.4
they're using their
35:01.0
communist cultural ties
35:03.5
to make sure things
35:06.1
they're getting everything
35:07.6
high-end semiconductors
35:09.5
and at the same time
35:10.7
quietly they're getting
35:11.5
things from Russia
35:12.4
nung mga weapon systems
35:15.6
yung kanilang weapon system
35:16.7
punta ka sa isang
35:17.5
fighter jet sa Vietnam
35:22.5
getting from everyone
35:30.7
getting from all sides
35:32.4
their national interest
35:34.1
I don't want to be
35:34.5
fanboy of Vietnam
35:35.4
but I'm not a fan
35:36.6
of their communist system
35:38.6
of their nationalism
35:39.3
I'm a fan of their
35:40.6
sense of nationhood
35:42.4
strategic autonomy
35:43.4
sobrang dynamic talaga
35:45.2
itong bansa na ito eh
35:46.1
they made mistakes
35:47.3
yung in-invade nilang
35:49.1
sila ng buong mundo
35:51.2
not to rely on any
35:53.4
because the Russians
35:56.4
bugbog na bugbog sila
36:01.8
huwag kang magtiwala
36:02.8
dyan sa mga super power
36:04.0
pinapasok namin yung
36:05.7
Russia sa Cameron Bay
36:09.5
sa aming Cameron Bay
36:11.0
nung dilusob kami
36:15.6
galit na galit sila
36:18.1
pupotektahan sila
36:19.1
ingat ka sa mga sinisabi mo
36:20.7
may mga ka-DDS tayo dyan
36:21.8
natuwan-tuwan sa mga
36:26.6
is hindi mo itapon
36:27.6
yung alliances mo
36:29.5
cross-cutting alliances
36:31.2
multiple friends ka
36:39.3
it's like a diversity
36:43.3
kaya hindi talaga
36:44.5
purong US-US lang
36:47.7
eto yung sinabi ko
36:48.9
sa kapon na Ronald
36:49.9
na marami naman tayong kaibigan
36:51.2
may mga bagong trolls
36:52.5
at kaibigan na rin ako
36:54.1
in the past year alone
36:56.2
a non-aligned country
36:57.7
has done more for the Philippines
36:58.9
and the West Philippines
36:59.6
than entire ASEAN
37:00.8
in the past decade
37:01.6
so tuwan-tuwan yung mga
37:03.1
and at the same time said
37:04.3
but I'm not a fan of the
37:05.9
current government
37:07.8
di galit na naman sila sa akin
37:09.3
but that's the point
37:10.7
I think India is a very good
37:12.1
interesting relationship
37:13.1
we have to develop
37:13.8
I think there's a lot
37:14.8
that we share with that country
37:17.5
as a natural ally
37:18.8
in Southeast Asia
37:19.6
very similar political systems
37:21.3
very similar history
37:22.4
at mayabang din tayo
37:23.9
punta ka sa mga conferences
37:27.3
yung pinakamahingay
37:29.7
natural talaga tayong allies
37:35.1
parang na Richard H. Darian
37:38.1
yun ang maalala ko
37:39.4
di ba sabi mo kanina
37:40.4
di ba nagyabang ako na
37:43.6
number one na tayo
37:46.0
sino ang kalaban natin sa Asia
37:47.6
Hong Kong and Singapore
37:48.5
in the back of my head
37:49.5
I forgot one big country
37:51.4
hindi ko matahala-tahala
37:56.0
elephantine balloon
38:00.8
sa mga international conferences
38:09.0
sa kamingan natin
38:13.7
I feel very confident
38:16.7
ano kahit yung nangyayari yan
38:19.8
kailangan din natin
38:23.0
kasing pragmatic nila
38:24.2
ang sinasabi ko lang
38:29.8
sumusuporta sa atin
38:32.2
yung pinakamalaking
38:39.7
baka naman yung susunod
38:42.3
lalo na sa Coast Guard
38:46.1
mahirap naman yung
38:47.7
yun yung kailangan
39:04.3
pinakita rin nila
39:07.6
bago sila pumasok
39:12.1
merong respect na
39:17.7
ngayon yung Vietnam
39:20.9
yung kanilang relasyon
39:24.2
ngayon pinaka-scaled up
39:28.9
and now with Japan
39:30.7
Japan yung kanilang
39:32.1
president giving a speech
39:42.2
dito sa Southeast Asia
39:43.4
we're an old affair
39:44.8
we're an old fire
39:49.6
really appreciate
40:13.9
nawala ng kahulugan
40:15.7
pangiging Pilipino
40:36.4
ito yung first time
40:37.2
na nagkaroon sila
40:41.8
ng pagiging Pinoy
40:46.6
it's a nationalism
40:49.8
ng ating territory
40:53.1
territorial waters
41:00.8
territorial waters
41:22.0
kinakailangan dyan
41:23.5
kinakailangan dyan
41:25.1
enlightened leadership
41:26.3
at kinakailangan dyan
41:29.4
ang sinasabi ko lang
41:32.3
na nandito ngayon
41:33.8
kailangan din natin
41:35.5
para i-respeto rin tayo
41:38.0
nang bubuli sa atin
41:39.4
para i-respeto rin tayo
41:41.6
gustong tumulong sa atin
41:49.8
hindi yan magsisimula
41:57.9
dyan magsisimula yan
42:08.2
political parties
42:14.8
kung hindi talagang
42:20.3
may dependent for training
42:21.8
kasi kailangan natin
42:23.2
kahanda sa ganitong
42:31.5
may learning curve yan
42:33.1
may learning curve yan
42:34.2
ang masama nga dyan
42:35.1
kung hindi ka matututo
42:45.3
at nababasa ko sa diaryo
42:45.8
at nababasa ko sa diaryo
42:52.6
sumama ka na dyan
43:03.6
pwede ka magparachute
43:10.4
thank you so much
43:11.2
I completely agree with you
43:14.2
what I was expecting
43:15.8
this is the first time
43:18.2
complicated operation
43:19.5
there was a lot of
43:20.2
back and forth negotiation
43:23.7
the journey of a thousand miles
43:25.2
starts with one step
43:26.3
sabi nga ng mga Chinese
43:27.4
natin ng kaibigan
43:30.5
in the Filipino people
43:31.8
helping their government
43:34.7
sa loob ng ating bakuran
43:36.0
and you're absolutely right
43:37.5
in fact I had a discussion
43:38.6
with some millennial experts
43:39.9
fellow millennial experts
43:42.2
baka itong West Philippines
43:43.4
talagang magiging
43:46.5
of the Filipino nationalism
43:48.4
in ways that Rizal
43:49.5
and that generation
43:50.2
was very much steeped in
43:53.0
nagiging emotional ka na
43:54.4
let's keep that emotion
43:55.9
kasi marami tayong pag-usapan
43:57.2
in the next episode
44:05.4
yung favorite natin
44:07.7
consultant si Pina
44:10.4
mali ang ano natin
44:16.1
if ASEAN was the silent element
44:20.2
dito sa West Philippines
44:21.2
may mas silent pa dyan
44:23.6
the Vice President
44:24.8
of the Philippines
44:29.0
yung mga nag-excuse na
44:31.5
she will have respect for them
44:34.1
ang dami ng stands
44:37.1
eto sa karili natin
44:38.9
wala pa silang stands
44:39.8
kasi I was checking
44:40.4
the Twitter account
44:41.1
of the Vice President
44:45.2
niya sa mga preso
44:46.4
and speaking of that
44:47.7
maybe you wanna talk about
44:49.4
in the next episode
44:50.1
so thank you very much
44:51.1
Secretary Ronald Llamas
44:53.4
that was a good discussion
44:56.4
syempre unang-una talaga
44:57.5
parati sa ating West Philippines
45:00.1
thank you very much
