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This is always where, because I have a lot of Chinoy friends.
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My first friends in Baguio back in the day were Chinoy.
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My first girlfriend was a Chinoy.
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So I always talk to them about, do they feel they're between a rock and a hard place?
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There's the Communist Party of China there.
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And then there's xenophobia and all of that there.
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Can you tell us a little bit about that, Chris?
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So, basta ang pagiging Chinoy nowadays?
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Alam mo, sa akin, when I grew up talaga, I never really looked at myself as any different than anyone else when it comes to ethnicity.
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I've always believed, and I've looked at myself as a Filipino.
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So, yung pagka-Chinese ko, I've always looked at it as part of being Filipino.
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Kasi, if you look at naman Filipino culture, Filipino culture is a mix of a lot of different cultures.
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We get a lot of our American influences, Spanish influences, and Chinese influences.
01:41.7
And not just that, I bet you, siguro over 50% of the entire Philippine population may halo.
01:51.2
May konting Chinese, may konting Spanish, may konting iba't ibang races.
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And then, that's why if you look at Filipinos,
01:57.2
they all look different.
01:59.2
So, it's just degrees of how much Chinese blood do you have or how much Spanish blood do you have.
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Ikaw, do you have like, what are you, Spanish?
02:07.2
That's the point. The pure blood, yung purong dugo, is complete nonsense, right?
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I mean, that's proven. Anyone can take a DNA test today, that will prove you there's no such thing as a purong dugo, right?
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You go to any random country, you know that there were 10 different tribes and all that came in.
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So, yeah, I think definitely you got a point there.
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But the thing kasi, I'm asking Chris about it.
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This is because the West Philippine issue really puts our Chinoy brothers and sisters in a tough situation.
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In the sense that you had a senator recently suggesting that the Chinoy should make it clear saan yung kanilang allegiance.
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Which I thought is an offensive question.
02:43.2
Like, obviously, they're Chinoys, they're Filipinos, right? More than anything else, right?
02:47.2
So, you have that kind of very problematic rhetoric of essentially collective, I won't say collective punishment,
02:55.2
but kind of a collective judgment.
02:57.2
Because, you know, Chinoys, just like any Filipino, have diversity of opinion.
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You can put 10 Chinoys together, then you get 15 Filipinos probably, right?
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So, the idea of like doing a loyalty test and all, I think it's just super inappropriate, problematic, and frankly, even racist to a certain degree.
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Although, I don't believe in race, as people colloquially understand.
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How do you approach that? I mean, and when you talk about China.
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The reason I have no problem with you, of someone, Chinoys, saying things critical of China is because I was based in Taiwan before.
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I was there in Hong Kong when, you know, the protests were there.
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These were Chinese people against China.
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So, I have no problem with that.
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But I think a lot of people are not educated enough to realize that the Chinese civilization, the Chinese people are amazing people of diversity.
03:39.2
Even inside China, if there were freedom, you'll get different views.
03:44.2
As a matter of fact, I think people mistake kasi and blame the Chinese people for what the Chinese government is doing.
03:53.2
It's the government that's an idiot.
03:56.2
Or the Communist Party, specifically.
03:58.2
Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Under the current leadership is really trying to expand their empire by what they do.
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And they're doing it in a very subtle way.
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They're doing it with money.
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They're doing it with force.
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They're doing it by, you know, it's almost like a blackmail how they do it.
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And when people, I'm actually curious.
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Who's that senator?
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Just for my own sake.
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Let me double check.
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I want to make sure.
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I knew that that was raised.
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But I want to make sure which senators in particular.
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But, I mean, if you look at the rhetoric of the top senators, you know, I mean, people are openly saying things that have very problematic.
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I don't want you to misquote anyone.
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But I'll send you because I get the direct quote here.
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So, I find it amusing more than anything na may mga Filipinos diyan na would say to me, Chinese ka, bakit?
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Bakit ginakalaban mo ang sarili mong lahi?
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They forget, you know, ethnicity is not your nationality.
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That's your ethnicity.
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But that's not your nationality.
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My nationality is Filipino.
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And, you know, my ethnicity is Filipino-Chinese.
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But my nationality is Filipino.
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So, for people to say that is very ignorant.
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But, again, hindi ako nagigalad sa kanila for saying that.
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Natatawa na lang ako because I'm just like, do you hear?
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I think it says more about them than it says about me.
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May iba nga dyan nakakatawa sabihin na saan, bumalik na lang daw kung China.
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And I'm like, dude, you know, like, okay, wait, I'm against what's happening and you're telling me to go back to China.
05:42.2
What the heck's wrong with you?
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There's no logic with any of the discussions.
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That's why for me, I don't take offense to it.
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I do look at myself more Filipino than I do see myself as Chinese.
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I do have a lot of Chinese traditions, especially within my family.
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And I wish I could speak Chinese, to be honest with you.
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Kasi it's good lang for commerce.
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But even when I grew up, I moved to Canada kasi at one point.
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When people ask me what my nationality is, I would say Filipino.
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I'm very proud of that.
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And I actually would, I even joined a Filipino community.
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A Filipino community and a Filipino-Chinese community.
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So there's a lot.
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There's two communities there.
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And I've never looked at Filipino as different from me.
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I look at everyone the same, whether you're Filipino-American or you're Eurasian or, you know, like, yeah, worse back.
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I mean, worse back.
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You know, Matteo Gudicelli.
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I mean, look at all these Filipinos.
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But they're Filipinos.
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So it's the same.
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And that's what I love about the Philippines.
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We can talk about all these people.
06:50.2
They could easily pass as any Latin American.
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I mean, the reason I'm asking this, Chris, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I mean, there are, though, I mean, I know for a fact, there are some folks, I mean, I'm not generalizing, but there are some Chinoise who would rather say they're Chinese when they're abroad.
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Or there's some Chinoise that I know for a fact that, you know, they're so proud of China becoming a global superpower.
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And they always talk about 100 years of humiliation and stuff like that.
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I mean, we have some Chinoise friends who, you know, are defending what Duterte was saying.
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I mean, how do you feel about that?
07:21.2
There were many Chinoise who supported Duterte.
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And if you ask some of them, it had to do with the fact that he wanted better relationship with mainland China.
07:29.2
Now, obviously, a lot of that also had to do with business because, you know, China is a big market.
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You know, a lot of big Filipino businessmen are involved in China.
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So probably ayaw lang nila ng gulo.
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It's not because they're pro-China.
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But yun nga, that creates some complication.
07:44.2
I mean, have you had debates with your fellow Chinoise who may have had some differences?
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Have you had a different idea on this?
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Because the reason I'm saying this is I noticed there are like some Chinoise friends whose views on Ukraine war are closer to, let's say, Russia than America, right?
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Or their views on Gaza and conflict is probably…
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You get what I'm saying, right?
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Because a lot of people…
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Maybe I know more about your community than yourself.
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And then the other thing we're looking at because I was in Singapore the other week and I was talking to our friends in Washington Post, among others.
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There was this discussion in Singapore about the Chinese language radio and newspapers in Singapore and all.
08:24.2
And how they're increasingly towing the Communist Party of China line, right?
08:28.2
Talking about, you know, the motherland and the greater Chinese people.
08:33.2
You know, just blurring the distinction between, you know, Chinese ethnicity and Chinese nationalism and all of those things, right?
08:40.2
So that's a concern in Singapore.
08:42.2
And Singapore is a Chinese majority country.
08:44.2
So they had to make a hundred million dollar…
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Singaporean Chinese cultural center to distinguish themselves from mainland China.
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It used to be Taiwan who have a very different conception of themselves.
08:54.2
Although they see themselves as Chinese but Taiwanese Chinese, right?
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So, I mean, like, I don't know.
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Do you have, like, have you had debates with some folks who may be a little bit more amenable?
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Because, I mean, the reason I'm saying this, Chris, is because marami rin mga kalukuan ng mga kanot sa Pilipinas.
09:12.2
Marami rin silang mali yung mga Western powers.
09:14.2
They did a lot of horrible things nonstop.
09:15.2
They did a lot of horrible things not only to China.
09:17.2
They did to Philippines.
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I mean, may mga sinasabi si Digong na hindi naman totally wrong.
09:21.2
Yung Balangiga, that really happened.
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They massacred the whole town.
09:24.2
It's not like this, you know, this Western people were like knight in shining armor, really, if you look at the evidence.
09:30.2
And, you know, many people are surprised how…
09:32.2
Why are Filipinos so pro-American when…
09:34.2
I mean, how much is US really helping the Philippines?
09:37.2
They're giving 70 billion to Ukraine, 20 billion again to Israel.
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They're giving barely 1 billion to the Philippines over 10 years.
09:44.2
You know, you get what I'm saying, right?
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So, it's not like…
09:47.2
So, I understand if some of our Chinoy brothers and sisters, and not to mention not also the rest, right?
09:52.2
Who are saying, you know, maybe it's time to be more open to the other rising powers.
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I hope you see where I'm coming from.
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This is not about just the Chinoy community but that mindset that is gaining…
10:04.2
…action around the world.
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Alam mo ano, sa akin ano, let's talk…
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I like to look at things and break it down to the most important.
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Break it down to the most simple thought.
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The simplest thought is this.
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I want you to look at what China is doing.
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What they're doing is aggressive.
10:29.2
It is not friendly at all.
10:32.2
And it is taking what they want and, you know, because there's bigger power than us.
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And that is already wrong.
10:41.2
By that action alone, I'd rather go with the United States who's not doing that.
10:47.2
So I'm just talking about now.
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Not talking about the past.
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I'm talking about now.
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If you look at it from that perspective, mali ang China and you'd rather be with the U.S. than with China.
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Because the U.S. isn't going to say,
11:03.2
You know, put their own ships in front of us and say you can't fish here.
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Throw water cannons at us.
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So, you know, you can say, you know, people have said,
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Oh, but the U.S. has done this in the past.
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Okay, let's just simplify everything.
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Today, kung meron akong kapitbahay.
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Yung isa, binibigyan ako ng aid.
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Yung isa naman, sinasabi sa akin hindi ako pwede lumabas sa sarili kong bahay.
11:27.2
Binubully niya ako.
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I'm not going to allow that.
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Diba, yun lang yan eh.
11:31.2
So people are trying to complicate the issue.
11:34.2
Mudding the water.
11:35.2
Mudding the water.
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Just to cover for the bullying and all.
11:43.2
So that's the problem with the narrative that China is pushing.
11:48.2
And, and I don't know if you, did you see this?
11:50.2
I saw this on, ano, on Exe, on Twitter.
11:53.2
Nung, after the water cannon incident, my God, I got so many Chinese propaganda posts
11:59.2
on, on Exe that was, oh, it was literally one after the other.
12:04.2
Saying that the Chinese is protesting what happened.
12:08.2
And that they have expressed restraint.
12:10.2
And the Filipino, Filipino Coast Guard has trespassed in Chinese waters.
12:15.2
And we are protecting the rights of, talagang ang grabe at ang galing nung ginawa nung China.
12:22.2
Spreading all that misinformation on all social media.
12:26.2
The day that that video came out of the, you know, water cannon blast.
12:30.2
And of course, Elon Musk has a big Tesla factory in Shanghai, right?
12:33.2
Which raises questions about how, how, how, you know, I mean, this is owned by Elon Musk, right?
12:38.2
So, many people, friends in DC and all are asking serious questions.
12:41.2
I mean, is he potentially an influence agent for, for America, right?
12:45.2
I mean, I, I talked to Henry Kissinger earlier this year, you know, before he turned 100 and all.
12:50.2
And I have friends who are saying even Kissinger could be accused of being, you know, like being too pro-China, etc.
12:56.2
And remember, Kissinger was in Beijing earlier this year, just days after Digong was there.
13:02.2
So, I want to ask, how do you feel about the whole Digong situation?
13:05.2
Digong saying, I'm Chinese.
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I mean, I have Chinese blood.
13:08.2
I never was able to trace that.
13:10.2
He's talking about this China.
13:16.2
Like, you know, what was that?
13:17.2
What was that all about for you?
13:18.2
Yeah, you know, I was so embarrassed to be called a Filipino that time.
13:23.2
Because I watched our president practically beg and kneel and act like the dog of Xi Jinping and the dog of Putin.
13:35.2
He was practically kneeling and bowing down to them.
13:39.2
And he would look at them as some idols or gods.
13:42.2
It was, it was insane.
13:44.2
And he made, and Duterte, for me, one of the most insane things he did is he made cowardice a trait to aspire for.
13:55.2
Huwag tayong lalaban.
13:56.2
Mamamatay tayong lahat.
14:01.2
Napapamura talaga ako diyan eh.
14:03.2
Then people would, you know, would parrot that thought na tama, huwag tayong lumaban.
14:09.2
Ahayaan na lang natin ng China kasi gusto mo ba ng gera?
14:12.2
I'm like, no, that doesn't mean that if you're gonna speak out against what China's doing that there's war.
14:21.2
False choices yan, yeah.
14:22.2
Yeah, and they make it a black and white situation that if I speak out, it means war.
14:27.2
What the heck, you know?
14:30.2
We, there are a lot of diplomatic avenues that we can converse.
14:33.2
That can be taken to force China to stop.
14:36.2
That we have not even taken yet.
14:38.2
Pero I'm glad lang that BBM and his government is doing what they can about that.
14:44.2
And that, you know, that gives me hope na there's sanity in this government.
14:52.2
How important was that to you?
14:54.2
The fact that you have Marcos Jr. right now but he's not doing too bad at least on the foreign policy front.
14:59.2
I mean, is that a confusing thing to you?
15:01.2
Or for me, is that common sense lang?
15:02.2
And, you know, we may disagree on domestic issues but this is a matter of national interest.
15:07.2
Let's support he's our president after all.
15:10.2
So, again, you know, see, this is the thing about me.
15:12.2
I'm not, I have never been one to hate or love somebody based on who they are.
15:18.2
But on what they do and what they represent.
15:21.2
So, with BBM, I will call out the good.
15:25.2
I will also call out the bad.
15:26.2
And I know that his interest is pabanguhin yung pangalan ng Marcos says.
15:31.2
He is trying to change the legacy of Marcos.
15:35.2
Rehabilitation, yeah.
15:37.2
So, from education and my friend said this to me.
15:41.2
He owns a school, ano.
15:42.2
He noticed as far back as parang 2001, napansin niya that the books have already been changed.
15:50.2
The textbooks have already been changed.
15:52.2
How they describe Marcos and the atrocities.
15:54.2
Physical thinking, yeah.
15:55.2
Dinagal na yung atrocities.
15:57.2
So, Marcos, I've always looked at as somebody who is trying to change.
16:00.2
He's trying to improve his image and he's close to a lot of the businessmen.
16:05.2
So, he listens to the businessmen.
16:08.2
Kaya that's why he's creating policies that he believes will bring in more business to the Philippines.
16:15.2
Kaya he's pro-America.
16:17.2
He's pro-fighting for West Philippine Sea because it looks good on him.
16:27.2
And he does listen to a lot of the people around him.
16:30.2
Kasi he's enjoying traveling too much.
16:32.2
He doesn't want to bother with those details.
16:34.2
He says, ikaw na bahala.
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Basta, if you believe it's good, I trust you.
16:37.2
May ganun siya eh.
16:38.2
So, which is, that's a good thing about him.
16:40.2
So, I think he's actually harmless.
16:43.2
And plus, remember, if you've come from such a low place, anyone else is better than where we came from.
16:51.2
Zero looks good from negative 10.
16:58.2
But hopefully, we do better than negative 10.
17:00.2
Zero or five out of 10.
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I'm not saying BBM is five or zero.
17:06.2
Relative comparisons are good.
17:08.2
But my point is, he still has four or five years there.
17:11.2
Even if you were to argue that this is about his family interest,
17:15.2
if that makes him more amenable to doing the right thing,
17:19.2
then let's push him.
17:20.2
Let's encourage him.
17:22.2
Hindi naman siya diktador.
17:24.2
Last time I checked.
17:26.2
As a matter of fact,
17:28.2
I'll tell you what I appreciated about BBM.
17:31.2
You know, when Percy Lapid got murdered,
17:37.2
I was like thinking, will the DOJ Secretary go after them?
17:43.2
I think we know naman who the mastermind is.
17:46.2
And it's not Bantag.
17:48.2
He's the middleman.
17:50.2
That's why Bantag, ang tapang ni Bantag that he's not in jail.
17:55.2
Because there's a bigger fish backing him up.
17:58.2
That people are still afraid of.
18:01.2
So what I appreciated about the Marcos administration was
18:05.2
they went after and even identified him.
18:08.2
To go that far against a bigger fish says a lot.
18:13.2
And I have a lot of respect for the Abaloses
18:16.2
because of what they did for Mandaluyong and Benher.
18:20.2
Benher, the younger one.
18:22.2
The MMDH DILG Secretary right now,
18:26.2
I think he's doing his job.
18:27.2
He's doing it well.
18:28.2
And the former campaign manager of Marcos.
18:31.2
Yeah, the former campaign manager of Marcos.
18:33.2
And honestly, I think a lot of people around Marcos are trying to do their job.
18:37.2
And I appreciate that.
18:40.2
So I give them points where I see that they're doing right.
18:44.2
But I'll call out what I think they're doing wrong.
18:47.2
What I like is how I think now,
18:49.2
parang nakikita ko na yung Senate and the Congress somehow
18:54.2
are able to do their job.
18:59.2
not always part of the executive direction.
19:04.2
Unlike the time of Duterte
19:06.2
where wala ng co-equal branch of government.
19:09.2
Judicial disappeared.
19:11.2
Judicial, legislative, all gone.
19:14.2
And it was about to become,
19:16.2
it was practically an authoritarian government.
19:19.2
So that's the difference.
19:21.2
And last for this episode,
19:23.2
what do you think about the UNITEAM breakup?
19:26.2
I mean, it's, you know,
19:27.2
unlike the celebrity breakups,
19:29.2
it's not very formalized,
19:30.2
but I think we more or less know what's going on.
19:32.2
How do you feel about this?
19:33.2
Is this a tiger versus eagle,
19:36.2
no fences in zoo situation,
19:40.2
you know, some people miscalculate,
19:42.2
including the former president,
19:43.2
thinking he's still so powerful and bashing,
19:45.2
you know, the administration,
19:46.2
not thinking there'll be,
19:47.2
there'll be a response.
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He's going to be schooled.
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Yeah, I think that this was a marriage of convenience at the very start.
19:55.2
Marcos knew all along
19:57.2
that the old man Duterte was against him,
20:01.2
you know, saying all these things about him,
20:03.2
that he's a drug addict,
20:04.2
that he's a weak president,
20:06.2
blah, blah, blah,
20:07.2
and all of those things.
20:08.2
Marcos knew that.
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And he never forgot that.
20:12.2
He was just waiting for the right time.
20:17.2
I think that a lot of the people around Marcos
20:20.2
don't like Duterte.
20:22.2
And they don't like Sarah Duterte.
20:24.2
Because they see how another Duterte
20:27.2
can really destroy our economy.
20:32.2
I actually don't even,
20:34.2
maybe I'm ignorant of this,
20:36.2
but the corruption now
20:38.2
is a lot less than what it was during the time of Duterte.
20:41.2
And I think that Marcos is not interested in corruption
20:45.2
the way Duterte did it.
20:46.2
Well, does he even need it?
20:48.2
I mean, you mentioned something about billions.
20:53.2
I think it's this.
20:54.2
It's not that I don't,
20:56.2
well, at least I'm not seeing it yet.
20:58.2
There's nothing that's come out yet.
21:00.2
I think he's more interested in spending
21:02.2
the money of the government
21:03.2
for his travels and lifestyle
21:05.2
than he is about just siphoning it off the people.
21:09.2
I think he's just more interested.
21:11.2
He's already sold it.
21:13.2
Remember, he already has the billions from his house.
21:16.2
He's already sold it.
21:19.2
He doesn't need it.
21:20.2
But if he can spend the 10 billion a year
21:22.2
on the confidentiality,
21:23.2
on the confidential funds that he has,
21:26.2
and in his travels,
21:27.2
it's paid by the government,
21:29.2
He'll stay in first-class hotels and everything.
21:32.2
I mean, if he can spend that with taxpayers' money,
21:36.2
Because he doesn't see anything wrong with it
21:38.2
because there's a budget for it.
21:39.2
I think that's it.
21:40.2
I think that's pretty much it.
21:42.2
The people around him,
21:43.2
I'm sure there's still corruption
21:44.2
in the Department of Agriculture,
21:46.2
especially when he allows the cartels to take over
21:48.2
and he doesn't appoint an agriculture secretary until now.
21:52.2
Aquaculture secretary.
21:55.2
And now, the agriculture secretary…
21:57.2
The diploma is fake.
21:59.2
What's with this fake diploma in the…
22:06.2
he's actually my batchmate.
22:16.2
He's quite young.
22:18.2
Like, dude, you don't look like batchmates, man.
22:23.2
He's my batchmate.
22:24.2
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:25.2
No offense, guys.
22:32.2
Like, Nick, maritas nga.
22:34.2
I don't want to put you on the spot.
22:35.2
How was he as a classmate?
22:36.2
Was he a geeky type like other Xavier guys?
22:37.2
Was he like math guy?
22:40.2
Kiko was part of the…
22:43.2
The groups, the…
22:45.2
May mga gangs yan nung time na yon
22:46.2
that pag sinabing Xavier,
22:47.2
sila yung mga siga ng Xavier.
22:51.2
But I've never had an issue with Kiko.
22:53.2
I don't know if he remembers me.
22:56.2
He recognizes me.
22:57.2
You know, we're friends.
22:58.2
We're friends on Facebook.
23:00.2
I just don't think it's a good idea
23:01.2
to put somebody with a lot of vested interest
23:03.2
as the agriculture secretary.
23:07.2
and powerful businessman
23:24.2
mga mga mga mga mga mga
23:25.2
mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga
23:26.2
mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga
23:27.2
mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga mga
23:28.2
I want to give him
23:28.5
the benefit of the doubt
23:30.4
Nag-divest naman daw siya eh
23:33.9
tick the boxes naman daw
23:35.2
but you're saying
23:35.9
hopefully the conflict of interest
23:37.1
doesn't get in the way of him
23:40.1
entrepreneurial skills
23:41.3
into being a good
23:47.1
I don't want to say much about
23:48.8
him at this point
23:54.1
Parang union na kayo soon
23:56.3
I haven't seen him in a while eh
23:59.3
but I've seen my batchmates
24:01.0
we had a Christmas reunion
24:02.1
Maybe you want to see him now
24:03.8
he's a big guy now
24:05.1
Well he's always been like
24:08.4
being department head
24:13.3
he's a billionaire entrepreneur
24:15.3
He's like head of the
24:16.2
International Tuna Association
24:21.5
Fabel is a very big company
24:24.1
but he's always been
24:26.3
his family's always been wealthy
24:27.9
they've always been in that business
24:35.5
the benefit of the doubt
24:38.0
I gave the benefit of the doubt
24:42.1
it was just too much
24:43.7
too much insanity
24:45.7
Well I gave him two
24:47.0
in terms of foreign policy
24:48.6
I'm all okay with diversifying
24:50.2
our foreign relations
24:51.6
on one superpower
24:54.2
execution matters
24:56.9
not only good return
24:58.0
of independent foreign policy
25:01.2
when you talk about foreign policy
25:03.4
when it comes to China
25:05.5
ang nakita kong ginagawa niya
25:07.0
he was playing ball
25:08.6
nothing wrong with that
25:10.3
he was making deals
25:15.3
to the Philippines
25:16.2
yung inutang niya sa China
25:19.0
10 times higher interest
25:22.1
and other countries
25:26.3
the interest rate
25:26.8
Japan was giving us
25:35.8
we had smart enough people
25:38.3
for those nonsense
25:42.6
because nothing came in
25:43.6
hanggang pledge lang
25:44.6
ang pumasok is Pogo
26:01.7
ang dami akong narinig
26:05.1
that work in Pogos
26:08.6
nagtatrabaho siya sa Pogo
26:11.0
yung boss nila doon
26:12.3
pinapapunta siya sa kwarto
26:17.9
pinagulpin niya yung gwarja
26:41.3
because of these Pogos
26:42.7
and then people were saying
26:44.0
they're bringing in revenue
26:47.3
they're not paying the access
26:51.1
we're losing a lot of other business
26:52.6
because of these Pogos
26:54.2
we're gonna gain more business
26:56.8
yung mga location ng Pogos
26:58.0
this could have been investment
26:58.9
for startup companies
27:06.0
you wanna say something
27:06.9
and I wanted to say also
27:08.2
that economically
27:10.0
the Pogos coming in
27:11.0
is that it inflated
27:12.0
the prices of real estate
27:14.0
that it's now unaffordable
27:14.9
for a lot of Filipinos
27:17.8
there's a lot of condos
27:20.6
now nobody's inside
27:34.9
that's the problem
27:35.5
Philippines I think
27:35.9
has the second highest
27:37.8
in Southeast Asia
27:38.8
just after Singapore
27:39.7
or something like that
27:40.5
we're getting up there
27:42.1
yeah we're getting up there now
27:43.1
for a country so poor
27:46.4
million dollar properties
27:50.8
everyone is affected
27:52.1
it's really crazy
27:53.0
you're absolutely right about that
27:55.3
this was fantastic
27:56.2
I really enjoyed this discussion
27:57.8
I look forward to discussing
28:00.2
we have to put a day
28:01.4
separately for the Bitcoin one
28:03.0
because I don't want to
28:04.8
everyone wants to have dinner
28:07.6
one and a half hours
28:09.8
usually that's like
28:11.7
with other people
28:18.0
I didn't realize that
28:18.9
one and a half hours
28:19.7
just for two episodes
28:20.9
so I'm gonna chop it
28:23.2
into more episodes
28:25.1
three or four episodes
28:27.2
let's come back soon
28:28.1
hopefully later this month
28:29.0
before the end of the year
28:31.5
big discussions about
28:33.3
things to look forward to
28:36.4
some motivational
28:39.2
thank you so much
28:42.0
maraming tao sa iyo
28:43.7
dun sa mga sumusuport sa atin
28:46.0
ma'am Jocelyn Lumberio
28:48.0
isa pang Chinoy yan
28:49.2
na kaibigan natin
28:50.0
sumusuporta sa atin
28:53.8
andami mga questions dito
28:56.4
in FU tayong dalawa
29:01.5
I'm proud of that
29:02.5
salamat sa mga ka-DDS natin
29:04.8
also attacking us
29:06.4
so the final version of this
29:10.3
also look for a version of it
29:14.2
because this is a joint effort
29:15.5
so it's just a collaborative
29:18.0
intellectual product
29:21.5
where can people follow you
29:22.7
just in case may mga followers tayo
29:24.4
who haven't come across
29:25.9
your illuminating
29:30.9
you can follow me there
29:43.1
for short form naman
29:45.7
I am Chris Tan as well
29:50.7
it's Coach Chris Tan
29:52.0
and those are the platforms
29:53.5
you can follow me on
29:55.3
what are the things
29:57.0
kay ma'am Eden alone
29:57.8
and what are the things
29:60.0
what are the things
30:00.7
they can look forward to
30:02.3
aside from politics
30:04.3
you're hearing now
30:05.5
you know aside from politics
30:07.9
I really love injecting
30:11.3
that we're facing
30:12.6
and in the Philippines
30:17.5
become financially secure
30:19.1
that's really a dream of mine
30:21.1
financial literacy
30:22.7
financial literacy
30:24.7
with financial literacy
30:25.7
you're pulling your Chinoy
30:27.4
your Chinoy card there
30:29.1
I'll pull my Ilocano card
30:31.1
talk about saving money
30:34.5
so that's important
30:37.4
if they want content
30:38.3
that's gonna help them think
30:42.2
better critical thinkers
30:43.6
and be more self-aware
30:45.3
follow me on all my channels
30:47.0
thank you very much Chris Tan
30:49.6
stay in the country pa
30:51.1
there's still reason
30:52.4
to stay in the country
30:53.3
because there are many people
30:54.2
who are still enjoying this content
30:57.5
that this is just the beginning
31:00.9
intellectual discussion
31:03.9
we didn't pay attention enough
31:06.5
but now that we're paying attention
31:09.7
you know literally
31:10.4
analytics and all
31:11.4
showing you that people
31:12.2
want this kind of content
31:13.4
so thank you Chris
31:14.2
for a fantastic collaboration
31:16.2
looking forward to joining you
31:17.4
maybe every other week or so
31:19.0
hopefully we can make this
31:19.7
something more regular
31:21.1
and then we can bring
31:25.4
this is the Joe Rogan way
31:26.6
bring the four guys in
31:29.0
I'm a mixed martial arts guy
31:30.5
maybe we can do a UFC
31:33.5
kind of discussion
31:34.6
thank you very much
