00:39.8
Ito mga kabatas natin, simple lang. Simple lang yung talakayan natin ngayon.
00:44.4
Ano ba yung silbi ng NBI report na yan?
00:46.8
Ganun lang naman eh.
00:50.0
Kumbaga, mga kabatas natin,
00:53.8
sa mata ng batas.
00:58.0
Okay? Sa mata ng batas.
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Ano ba ang timbang?
01:06.8
When it comes to evidence,
01:08.6
evidence, let's talk about evidence.
01:11.3
Let's be strictly legal in this case, no?
01:14.1
When it comes to evidence,
01:20.1
of the NBI report?
01:24.9
Kasi nga, mga kabatas natin,
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parang kahon na kahon na yata.
01:30.0
Yung mga nag-content sa 50 million maleta heist.
01:36.5
Adi sige, let's go. Let's do it.
01:40.8
Ito lang naman ang gusto kong ipaliwanag.
01:43.2
At gusto ko rin sanang ipaliwanag ito
01:45.7
nung mga abogado sa kabila.
01:49.1
Para magkaroon tayo ng
01:52.4
doon sa mga sasabihin ko
01:54.6
at sa mga sasabihin nyo.
01:57.4
Ganun lang kasimple.
02:02.3
investigative body.
02:04.9
So, nag-i-investigate sila.
02:07.2
So, ano ba yung counterpart nila?
02:09.8
Pwedeng maging counterpart nila
02:12.7
It is also an investigative body.
02:17.1
Ngayon, mga kabatas natin,
02:21.6
for investigative bodies
02:30.0
So, it's not a big issue.
02:31.0
Ganun lang kasimple yan.
02:32.6
At itong NBI, mga kabatas natin,
02:40.5
people file cases.
02:45.7
Help people file cases.
02:50.1
Ngayon, kapag nagpa-file ba sila
02:54.2
naglalagay ba sila ng report doon?
03:00.0
most of the time,
03:00.8
mga kabatas natin,
03:03.7
fina-file nilang kaso,
03:18.5
mga kabatas natin,
03:23.0
they cannot still
03:25.6
what is the truth.
03:28.5
Saan natin i-a-ascertain?
03:30.0
Yung truth doon sa Korte.
03:33.4
pag naglabas ba ng NBI report,
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ibig sabihin yan na yung totoo?
03:39.3
Kapag naglabas ng NBI report
03:41.4
at may mga tumistigo
03:43.3
at may mga tao na in-interview
03:46.2
sa NBI report na yun,
03:49.7
yun yung mga salaysay
03:51.4
nung kanilang mga inimbestigahan.
03:56.3
J.M. Yap Limhoco,
03:58.5
self-serving ikanga,
04:01.0
that is self-serving
04:02.6
in relation to the people
04:04.6
who were interviewed
04:06.7
or who asked for the report.
04:13.3
let's look at it this way.
04:16.0
Kapag ako ang pumunta sa NBI
04:18.8
nung wari, cyber libel
04:19.9
o kaya isang cybercrime,
04:21.1
pumunta ako sa NBI.
04:22.9
Nagreklama ako doon.
04:24.5
Ano ang kukunin ng NBI?
04:27.4
Ng mga testimonya.
04:30.0
Yung galing sa akin.
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I will be feeding them information.
04:36.8
Pangalawa, mga kapatid natin,
04:38.6
when it comes to technicalities,
04:41.8
like for example,
04:47.0
kung may mga experts doon,
04:48.6
well, they can be treated
04:49.6
as expert witnesses
04:51.3
if they are experts.
04:53.1
Or if it requires expertise.
04:58.0
Like for example,
04:60.0
handwriting experts sa NBI.
05:02.2
Pwede silang kunin.
05:03.4
Pwede silang tumistigo
05:04.8
in relation to the handwriting
05:07.1
because they are handwriting experts.
05:11.0
Pero tignan natin dito sa maleta issue na ito
05:13.7
at parang sinasabi nila
05:16.2
o sinasabi ng iba,
05:17.7
sinasabi sino-sino
05:19.1
na scripted daw ito.
05:20.5
Sabi ng iba, hindi ito scripted.
05:22.8
May specialista ba sa NBI
05:27.9
kung scripted yan,
05:32.5
Napag-aaralan ba?
05:35.5
At nagkakaroon ka ba ng expertise
05:39.6
katulad ng mga handwriting experts,
05:49.5
tetistigo ka doon.
05:51.8
At taga-NBI ho ako.
05:53.9
Bakit ka nandito?
05:55.4
Tetistigo ho ako.
05:56.5
Anong itetistigo mo?
05:57.4
Itetistigo ko ho ako
05:58.7
na hindi scripted.
05:60.0
Yung maleta issue na yan.
06:03.7
Anong natapos mo?
06:04.8
Bachelor of Science
06:06.0
in Identification of Scripted Issues.
06:15.9
Walang maletized specialist.
06:18.5
So, lahat yung mga nangyari dito,
06:21.1
mga kabatas natin,
06:24.3
if they claim something,
06:26.1
they are merely allegations.
06:30.0
reports of what happened
06:36.4
who were interviewed
06:38.4
or from the people who did it.
06:42.1
Ngayon, hindi lang yan
06:43.1
kasi mga kabatas natin.
06:45.7
Kapag pumunta ka sa korte,
06:56.2
Because if there are things
07:03.9
accepted as evidence
07:05.8
in this particular report,
07:09.0
hindi mo pwedeng ipasok
07:10.2
yung report na buo na yan.
07:12.5
Kasi yung mga pangyayari dyan,
07:14.1
kung saan nakakuha ka
07:15.3
ng kung ano-anong,
07:16.7
o nakapag-imbestiga ka,
07:18.1
kunwari may nagsabi na ganito,
07:19.5
may nagsabi ng ganyan,
07:20.7
yung nagsabi na yun mismo
07:22.1
ang kailangang tumistigo sa korte
07:24.0
at magpatunay nun.
07:26.0
Hindi pwedeng patunayan yan
07:27.7
nung tao na pumirma
07:29.3
at gumawa ng report.
07:32.1
It is not his or her
07:34.0
personal experience.
07:39.9
If we will be testifying in court,
07:42.1
we will be testifying
07:43.4
based on our experience.
07:47.5
Based on what our senses perceived.
07:50.8
Ano yung main na mga senses natin
07:53.2
na ginagamit natin
07:55.3
kapag tayo ay nakaka-experience
07:57.7
ng mga bagay na tinitistigo,
08:02.9
Opo, nakita ko sa dalawang mata ko.
08:06.7
Opo, narinig ko sa dalawang tenga ko.
08:12.6
Naramdaman mo ba?
08:13.5
Opo, masakit talaga.
08:17.7
Hindi naman pwede na
08:19.0
yung gumawa ng report na sasabay niya.
08:22.5
Hindi ho scripted.
08:23.7
Kasi sinabi sa akin ni Marie Corganto,
08:25.7
Oops, here's a na.
08:35.2
So, itong report na ito,
08:38.3
obviously a compilation
08:40.7
of a series of events
08:46.7
in this compilation
08:47.5
of the series of events
08:50.1
na in-interview sila,
08:52.7
may mga nagsabi sa kanila
08:59.3
prove anything in court
09:03.3
to be entered as evidence.
09:07.6
The people who experience it
09:09.4
should be the ones
09:10.7
should be the ones
09:15.3
to be proving it in court.
09:22.8
Ganon din naman kasimple yun eh.
09:25.3
Kasi if we talk about hearsay,
09:28.2
if the investigator here
09:31.0
did not experience any
09:34.6
any of the events
09:35.6
that happened here,
09:36.6
then everything is hearsay.
09:38.4
Kung meron man siyang na-experience
09:39.8
dito sa mga nangyari na dito,
09:50.0
ang pwede niyang testigo
09:52.6
Yun lang ang pwede.
09:56.2
noong gabi din yun,
09:57.3
si Ginang Flores,
09:58.2
ay sinamahan ng airport police
10:00.6
upang magsagawa ng CCTV viewing.
10:04.4
Pwede pang tumistigo dito
10:06.0
yung gumawa ng report
10:08.6
dahil sinabi sa akin
10:10.4
na sinamahan yung airport police
10:13.2
para sa CCTV viewing
10:18.4
ay yung airport police
10:20.4
si Ginang Flores.
10:23.2
Hindi naman kasali yung investigator
10:24.9
o hindi naman kasali yung kahit sinong taong
10:32.6
Matapos kung namin malaman
10:35.3
ang reklamo ni Ginang Flores,
10:37.6
ay agad kaming nagtungo
10:39.8
at open parking area
10:41.0
sa posibilidad na ma-recover
10:43.3
at matuntun ang suspect.
10:46.4
Ngunit kami ay nabigo.
10:48.4
ay nagtungo din kami
10:50.9
Office upang personal
10:55.8
sa pag-iimbestiga
10:56.8
sa pag-iimbestiga
10:58.1
sa itsura at mukha
11:01.8
pag titignan nyo,
11:03.7
yung nag-narrate dito
11:04.9
o gumawa ng report,
11:06.3
pwede siyang tumistigo
11:07.4
na pagkatapos nilang
11:09.5
o pagkatapos ni Flores,
11:13.1
at nung airport police
11:14.0
magsagawa ng CCTV viewing,
11:18.3
nag-CCTV viewing din sila.
11:19.9
Pero up to that extent lang.
11:25.8
ayon sa isinulat na reklamo,
11:27.5
ni Ginang Flores.
11:29.0
Matapos niyang dumating
11:30.4
sa NIA Terminal 3
11:31.7
mula kagayaan de Oro
11:34.7
ng October 1, 2023.
11:38.9
kay Ginang Flores.
11:42.2
Kaya hindi ko nga maintindihan
11:43.9
what is the purpose
11:46.9
of this NBI report.
11:50.3
Damage control kaya?
11:54.3
Eh ito, parang compilation lang naman
11:57.5
Sinabi nung mga side nila.
12:02.4
mga kapatid natin,
12:03.2
and I will end with this one, no?
12:05.4
Ang medyo nakakatawa lang dito,
12:08.0
mga kapatid natin,
12:10.2
ang nakakatawa lang dito,
12:13.6
yung lumabas na kwento
12:15.2
sa Rafi Tulfo in action,
12:22.1
eh CCTV ako nang CCTV,
12:24.0
dito sa NBI report.
12:41.1
Yung Rafi Tulfo in action,
12:42.9
yung kwento nila dun,
12:45.3
Hindi nga tugma dito eh.
12:56.2
bilib na bilib kayo.
12:57.5
Na may nakuha kayong
13:00.2
Rafi Tulfo in action.
13:01.9
Samantalang yung report nyo,
13:03.4
hindi rin naman tugma
13:06.4
Hindi ba kayo yung
13:09.6
Kayo na nga yung humingi
13:11.8
kayo na nga yung nag-request
13:15.3
kayo pa yung mali.
13:19.9
Inconsistent din kayo eh.
13:23.9
Ayan, mga kapatid natin.
13:26.4
at syempre tulad ng
13:28.3
Matulog po tayo ng mahimbing
13:30.4
na yung natutulog ng mahimbing,
13:32.3
siya yung laging panalo.
