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00:00.0
Alright everyone, welcome to the numero uno political podcast in the country and of course we're very happy now, we're now more or less regular in the top 100 Spotify podcast among others and we're of course with one of the top notch guys in the country when it comes to any discussions on lifestyle, Bitcoin, medyo ADHD all over the place.
00:20.9
But obviously, the context of our collaboration and friendship is, you know, the emergence of this guest of ours as one of the no-nonsense voices in last year's elections and I'm sure he was perhaps as surprised by the positive reception as anyone else. It looks like there is an appetite for that kind of no-nonsense discussion. Thank you very much, Chris Tan, for joining us.
00:44.3
Hey Richard, kumusta? And kumusta to all your viewers and all your followers.
00:49.8
Yeah, you know Richard,
00:50.9
I've been following your posts and your interviews on CNN about politics and everything. You're one of the sane voices that I've heard in this space. So, it's an honor to be a part of this podcast, man.
01:06.3
Thank you very much, bro. I mean, I appreciate people like you also doing what you're doing. So, let's not overdo this bromance. Baka mamaritest tayo. I think there was a lot of creepy responses to yung pinost natin, yung mga picture natin.
01:20.9
So, parati ako napapahamak. Okay, let's go right into it. Chris Tan, of course, you know, many of your followers know you for your no-nonsense interventions during last year's elections. And, you know, I mean, correct the perception. Like, there was a perception that perhaps you're, you know, of course, you love the country and all, but perhaps it looks like the pink side was a little bit closer to your idea of sane politics than the alternatives, if I can put it that way.
01:48.2
So, first, Chris Tan. Who is Chris Tan?
01:50.9
So, really, I've always been an entrepreneur. I've been an entrepreneur all my life. Tapos, this vlog was something that I just wanted to do because siguro for the longest time, I knew naman that marunong ako mag-communicate. I can communicate ideas very well. And then, I wanted to be able to help people. It started with me being a life coach.
02:17.6
Tapos, I was giving out, spewing out advice on YouTube.
02:20.9
And one of the things that I do is a thought bubble. I talk about politics, current events, you know, societal issues. And one day, I decided to speak in Tagalog. Doon nag-umpis sa lahat. Doon ko na-realize na, wow.
02:39.6
So, and what was ironic was, kahit na nagda-Tagalog ako, maraming pala akong, maraming mga nanunod sa akin from different countries like the United States, mga Pinoy sin.
02:50.9
In Dubai, in Singapore, in Europe. And it was so fascinating na when I spoke Tagalog, the more I connected with people. Kaya, that's where it all started. Now, politics-wise, people think, like you mentioned nga, that I'm pink or dilawan. What they don't know is I didn't vote for Pinoy.
03:09.3
I actually didn't like Pinoy. But I do appreciate what he's done for the country. And then, when the election time came along, I had very strong opinions.
03:20.9
Kasi, towards the candidates. And binase ko lang talaga yan on which candidate I thought was the best in terms of a criteria.
03:29.8
And yun. Tapos, it's interesting lang kasi. I think people will perceive you or me or anyone according to their own biases.
03:41.4
May bias ka talaga. You're gonna see things through your own lens.
03:45.8
And people saw what they wanted to see in the message I was trying to deliver. I do believe Lenny is the best candidate.
03:55.9
But one thing that people were surprised is, nung tinanong ako what I thought would happen if BBM won, I actually didn't paint a doom and gloom picture.
04:05.5
I actually even said na, and I didn't post it until after he won. Because I didn't want anyone to, parang, siguro, maybe switch.
04:15.8
Or anything. But I did say it na, I don't think BBM was going to be as bad as his father.
04:23.0
I think BBM is not, I think he's just a spoiled brat na who just want, it's an ego thing.
04:31.5
Being president is an ego thing for him. And that's it. So there. So after that, tuloy-tuloy na.
04:36.3
And suddenly people were just following me and I was like, wow.
04:39.3
And they just wanted to hear my take on different topics, whether politics or showbiz or whatever it may be.
04:45.8
So that's how it all started.
04:48.1
Wait, wait. Speaking of, we'll go to the entrepreneur part when we'll do the podcast episode on Bitcoin, maybe, you know,
04:54.1
because this is at the cutting edge of entrepreneurship these days.
04:57.1
But let's talk about showbiz. If I'm not mistaken, like, if you go to YouTube and put Chris Tan, things pop up from nine years ago,
05:04.5
yung mga umagang kay ganda, yung mga ganun.
05:08.0
What's the reality show? I'm sorry, I don't want to bring back who got memories and all, but let's do it.
05:13.5
What's the dating reality show?
05:15.5
That we're part of before we go to the tuloy episodes.
05:19.5
So for 15 years, I was actually a producer of TV shows. A lot of people don't know that.
05:26.5
I produced TV shows on different networks like ABC5 pa nung time na yun, hindi pa nga TV5, MTV, Studio 23, GMA.
05:37.5
So I did a lot of TV shows for a lot of different networks.
05:40.5
Tapos noon, in 2015, I decided na parang, oh, why not go in front of the camera?
05:45.5
So ayun. So I got it. One day, I got a call. Sabi lang, would you be interested in going on a reality show with my girlfriend that time?
05:54.5
And sabi ko, yeah, why not? It's a good experience. It's something I wanted to experience as well.
05:59.5
So I tried it out. Okay naman. And then after that, they just started inviting me for all these different shows.
06:04.5
Wait, Chris, sorry. What was this show again? I mean, if you could-
06:08.5
It's called I Do.
06:09.5
Ah, okay. So can you give us an idea? What was the concept? What was the idea behind it?
06:13.5
Oh, the concept of the show?
06:14.5
The concept of the show was they got these couples, parang eight of us, I think, or nine, who wanted to get married.
06:22.5
Tapos the winner will get the wedding of their dreams, one million pesos, a house and lot, a business, the works, shabang, and the lights and all the glamour in it.
06:36.5
Yeah, so that's what happened. And then when I was at the finals na, ako yung nag-back out.
06:43.5
Because you thought you might win it?
06:45.5
Yeah, yeah, I actually probably would have won it, and I realized I didn't want to get married that time, so ayun.
06:51.5
I mean, of course, I'm not sure, you know. There's a way around it, right? Like, you get the prize, and then you find a quack lawyer to sign some notary. I don't know.
07:02.5
I'm sure you can be entrepreneurial about it. Sorry, Dave, but I mean, just wondering, sayang yung prize.
07:10.5
Well, I never really did it kasi for the prize eh. Right?
07:11.5
really did it kasi
07:13.4
It was really because
07:15.4
I wanted to get married
07:18.2
and I wanted to do it
07:19.2
in the most unique way possible.
07:22.1
oh, this would be a good way.
07:23.2
And then, but in that
07:25.7
mga one month ata kami
07:29.2
Yung one month na yun
07:32.1
nag-couples weekend
07:34.8
Then you realize talaga
07:38.4
na-realize about ourselves
07:40.0
we just ended up as friends
07:43.1
Yeah, again, I'm sorry.
07:44.1
I didn't want to bring out
07:45.0
the hugot at all.
07:46.2
I just wanted a refresher.
07:48.5
Was this also the time
07:49.7
na sumisigat yung mga Chinoy?
07:53.4
And like, this is around
07:54.2
10 years ago, right?
07:55.1
Because I remember
07:58.2
mestizo, mexicano.
08:00.6
And then 10 years later
08:02.1
it's transitioning to
08:03.0
mga chinito, mga gano'n.
08:04.2
I saw that in my own lifetime.
08:06.2
Yung preferences and all.
08:07.6
So I'm just saying
08:08.4
probably a part of you
08:09.5
as a producer felt
08:10.5
hey, maybe there's a niche
08:12.9
Like to make it big.
08:15.7
I never really looked at it
08:16.8
na parang kung ano ba
08:17.6
yung flavor of the year
08:19.3
Kasi hindi ko talaga
08:19.8
napansin ko na meron.
08:21.4
Pero hindi yun yung
08:22.2
motivation for me.
08:24.4
But it's, you know,
08:25.5
I'm not complaining.
08:27.4
I think it's amazing
08:28.5
that K-pop is doing so well
08:30.9
and that they're able
08:32.5
to export the music
08:34.0
and entertainment worldwide.
08:36.9
what it can do for Asians.
08:39.4
with what they did.
08:41.0
suwerte na lang ako.
08:42.0
I guess na mukha kong
08:44.3
So I can pass as Korean,
08:45.5
Japanese, Chinese, whatever.
08:49.9
the reason I'm asking this,
08:51.0
I mean, we'll go into this
08:52.1
more in the next episode
08:53.1
when we talk about
08:53.9
your experiences at Chinoy
08:55.5
in this very, you know,
08:59.2
I'm just saying, you know,
09:01.4
I mean, as an Asian,
09:04.7
pass off as a Mexican.
09:06.5
like I feel finally
09:10.7
that they deserve.
09:11.9
Because we grew up,
09:13.1
with all these blonde,
09:14.7
as the matinee idol
09:16.9
and like, you know,
09:18.6
low-quality copycats,
09:22.3
that's something.
09:22.7
But we can go to that later
09:23.7
and perhaps in the next episode.
09:26.8
I don't want to use the term
09:27.4
interracial discussions.
09:29.5
But let's stick to this.
09:32.3
pinakaunang episode
09:35.7
Nakita mo grabe yung response.
09:38.7
parang meron kang,
09:39.4
instinctive moment
09:41.5
ay, kailangan ko mag-Tagalog
09:42.7
para maka-reach out
09:44.9
is less konyo than mine.
09:47.6
I'm still trying to reach out
09:49.2
but my Ilocan is better
09:52.5
But can you tell me
09:53.2
about what was that
09:54.3
first vlog na went
09:56.4
and then your whole
09:57.5
political blogger
10:04.8
was the one where
10:07.1
parang I described
10:08.5
kung paano pumili.
10:11.4
Kung ano dapat yung tama.
10:12.7
And then I gave the criteria
10:15.2
hinahanap natin lahat
10:17.1
to make a good president.
10:20.3
at the end of it,
10:21.2
I was eliminating
10:22.0
all the candidates
10:22.8
and then at the end,
10:24.7
and then it's the title pala
10:26.2
was I'm not voting
10:26.9
for Lenny Robredo.
10:28.9
Was that a clickbait?
10:32.2
could be pro-Lenny?
10:37.6
because I was trying
10:39.7
hindi ko binoboto
10:41.7
because she's Lenny.
10:43.0
I'm voting for her
10:47.6
I was looking for
10:50.5
As a matter of fact,
10:52.4
I even made a disclaimer
10:55.3
I didn't like Lenny.
10:58.1
ko nakita yung post
11:00.8
na magbabush siya
11:04.8
it looks so staged to me.
11:06.7
there's something
11:07.2
that didn't really
11:09.3
I know what you're saying.
11:11.6
cringy yung dating
11:13.4
Pero nung then I got
11:14.2
to know her better
11:14.9
and then I listened
11:16.0
to yung mga sinasabi niya
11:18.1
this girl's making sense
11:21.0
kung tinignan mo yung
11:21.8
field of candidates
11:25.1
their strengths eh.
11:29.1
Lachson's experience.
11:34.9
in the short time
11:39.1
really have anything
11:41.2
the candidates eh.
11:42.1
It was just more of a
11:45.8
And then at the end
11:47.1
if you look at it,
11:47.8
the complete package
11:49.7
The irony was this,
11:53.5
I think the title,
11:57.0
that a lot of people
12:00.9
the whole video anymore.
12:02.7
They look at the headline
12:03.7
and then they'll start
12:05.4
based on the headline.
12:07.1
what happened was
12:07.6
a lot of the supporters
12:09.1
were sharing my video.
12:12.9
clickbait yan eh.
12:14.9
Trojan horse yan.
12:20.7
and then napapabura
12:21.7
yung mga supporters
12:26.2
And my own video,
12:28.8
get as many views
12:35.1
dalawang account doon
12:43.9
Yeah, business was good.
12:45.2
Business was good.
12:46.3
Yeah, and I didn't
12:50.1
after mga 3 or 4 months.
12:51.9
Pumasok na rin ako
12:55.4
And it was weird eh.
12:58.1
and I was looking
12:59.2
my phone was off the hook.
13:00.7
bam, bam, bam, bam
13:03.4
nakasilent na lang ako palagi.
13:04.6
There's no more point
13:05.4
in putting the notification on
13:08.9
get anything done.
13:13.3
the PhD in computer science
13:16.0
all of them are working
13:17.7
hack our mind, right?
13:19.0
take out the notification.
13:22.1
I see social media
13:24.9
not inlet, right?
13:26.2
it's for me to get
13:27.7
and then I don't want
13:30.1
you cut it out, right?
13:34.1
you need digital Sabbath
13:35.1
or actual Sabbath.
13:36.8
let's go back to this.
13:38.9
obviously in my case,
13:42.8
apolitical in the sense
13:44.1
I was always more concerned
13:45.1
about international affairs,
13:47.9
those are the things
13:48.9
when I was as young
13:55.9
about Philippine politics
13:59.3
it's like juvenile,
14:02.9
it gives a bad name
14:04.7
And sometimes I felt
14:06.1
it's like a hopeless case.
14:07.7
And then Pinoy came
14:09.3
something interesting
14:10.8
although I was half skeptical,
14:12.2
half hopeful with Pinoy.
14:13.9
And I think his record
14:16.1
but on the better side
14:17.3
than most of the other leaders.
14:20.2
I remember very well
14:22.4
the first time I saw
14:23.1
Duterte kind of flirting
14:24.2
with the idea of presidency,
14:25.4
this is like August,
14:27.4
And we had a show
14:29.6
Lisandro Claudio,
14:31.3
all of us were there.
14:33.0
he's a dark horse
14:34.2
because I always felt
14:35.5
there's something in him
14:39.3
are just so fed up
14:41.4
nonsense politics.
14:43.5
I studied other countries.
14:44.8
It happened in Turkey.
14:45.8
It happened just now
14:50.9
It happened with,
14:52.9
all around India,
14:55.4
Indonesia was there
14:56.3
when Jokowi's coming.
14:59.3
yun ang problema sa atin
15:00.8
We think we're too exceptional
15:02.8
maraming meron sa atin
15:04.5
Meron sa ibang third world
15:05.4
countries na nakikita ko.
15:08.7
this guy has a chance.
15:10.6
And I just felt people,
15:11.9
many people are too
15:12.6
dismissive about him.
15:13.6
that's where I began
15:18.4
he's gonna change everything.
15:20.7
the first interview
15:22.0
was with Maria Ressa.
15:24.4
our Rappler friends
15:26.1
to get him into the court.
15:28.2
and the first big event
15:31.1
something like yung
15:31.8
My President something
15:33.0
event sa De La Salle.
15:33.9
I used to teach in De La Salle
15:35.6
Maria Ressa was the host.
15:37.0
nagpakita lang si Digong
15:39.4
And I look at this guy,
15:41.7
he has what it takes
15:42.9
to really exploit
15:45.6
and lack of faith
15:47.5
and disillusionment.
15:48.8
And this is after
15:49.6
the Laglagbala crisis.
15:56.1
paka conspiracy theory pa.
15:58.6
during Apex Summit.
16:02.0
this is the right time
16:03.9
as early as 2015,
16:05.5
watch out for this guy.
16:08.2
convinced he could really win
16:09.2
once Binay went down.
16:10.6
I've written extensively
16:12.2
on all these issues,
16:13.1
including the book
16:13.9
Rise of the Tent.
16:15.9
that's where I also
16:17.2
discovered something
16:21.6
there's a fundamental threat
16:23.2
to our way of lives
16:24.7
or whatever little freedoms
16:26.3
I'm someone who cares.
16:27.8
And at the same time,
16:29.9
cancel culture type.
16:31.3
In the case that,
16:32.5
many of people close to me
16:33.6
voted for Duterte.
16:34.9
I don't think that
16:35.6
they're bad people.
16:36.4
I just felt maybe
16:37.1
they didn't choose
16:39.1
where they come from.
16:42.5
And the next six years
16:43.4
is really the story
16:45.3
both on West Philippine Sea
16:46.5
and both on democracy issue,
16:47.9
I tried to push back
16:48.7
against this guy.
16:50.5
the 2022 elections came
16:52.0
and I was realizing,
16:56.7
Marcos most likely,
17:00.4
the least I can do
17:01.1
is to go blogging
17:04.8
you probably saw me
17:06.5
on CNN International
17:08.3
Poor Farid Zakarian,
17:09.7
that Richard Haydarn,
17:11.8
that Richard Haydarn
17:12.5
has his place there
17:14.5
more or less there.
17:15.7
let's do something.
17:16.9
that was the context
17:19.1
I became this podcaster,
17:22.1
and essentially double,
17:27.0
what was the thought process?
17:28.3
I gave you a very
17:31.6
of my thought process,
17:32.9
how I became obsessed
17:34.5
Philippine politics.
17:35.4
I've written 2,000 articles
17:36.9
probably on Philippine politics
17:44.1
I was very interested
17:44.8
in the West Philippine Sea
17:45.8
of foreign policy issues
17:46.8
but domestic politics
17:48.4
was always something
17:49.5
in the Philippines
17:50.0
and a little bit too
17:52.1
What is your thought process
17:55.7
I do all of these things,
17:57.5
I'm a motivation coach
18:00.3
I have to say something
18:04.5
yung pagpasok ko sa Bitcoin,
18:06.4
it's very related to politics
18:07.8
and it's very related
18:09.5
It's almost my antithesis
18:11.0
to the government.
18:17.0
It's financial freedom,
18:18.6
it's being a sovereign citizen,
18:20.5
it's not allowing yourself
18:28.0
to the government
18:28.7
if you really think about it
18:30.0
and I can talk about that
18:31.2
a little bit later.
18:33.2
yung pagpasok ko sa politics
18:35.0
something I've always
18:36.4
been interested in.
18:38.6
interested in history,
18:41.5
Even noong panahon ni Pinoy,
18:43.0
I would debate with people.
18:45.4
when Duterte came along,
18:53.5
to every single troll
18:55.3
and basher out there
18:56.5
and even my friends.
18:58.4
If they debate with me,
19:00.6
I don't get upset
19:04.0
And when I debate
19:05.9
I don't debate to win.
19:07.0
I debate to understand.
19:09.0
Yun yung pagkakaiba
19:10.0
sa tingin ko with people
19:10.9
when they debate with me.
19:11.9
They think I'm debating
19:13.8
para makalamang eh.
19:15.8
I'm debating so that
19:16.9
we can both understand
19:19.0
parang common ground natin
19:20.4
and where is that
19:22.4
where we can have
19:23.1
an understanding.
19:26.4
siguro trigger for me
19:28.2
that made me want to talk
19:30.1
more about politics
19:33.2
authoritarian government
19:34.8
and people like Duterte
19:40.4
I think he's clinically insane
19:41.7
to be honest with you.
19:42.7
I think he's a psychopath.
19:45.0
That was the selling point.
19:48.0
just to be clear,
19:49.1
I was contractually obliged
19:50.9
not to say something like that.
19:53.5
I'm not necessarily
19:54.7
disagreeing with you.
19:58.5
you have to say it.
19:59.6
Call a spade a spade.
20:04.2
I'm not trying to insult anyone.
20:14.6
about killing people,
20:18.8
you look into a person's eyes
20:25.0
you look into their eyes,
20:26.1
you can see their soul
20:27.1
or the lack of it.
20:28.6
This guy does not
20:33.5
that he is doing,
20:38.8
believe that what they're doing
20:40.8
And it is insane lang
20:42.2
that I see so many people
20:43.8
that are mesmerized
20:47.9
na okay lang pumatay
20:49.2
kasi masama naman
20:54.0
kaya nga may batas tayo,
20:58.8
people would say,
20:59.6
why do I hate him so much?
21:00.9
I don't hate him.
21:03.5
that's the funny part
21:04.6
is I don't hate him.
21:06.5
You can put him in jail,
21:06.9
you can put any name there.
21:08.4
Anyone who murders people
21:10.2
and brags about it
21:12.8
is not on my good list.
21:16.2
It's not a person,
21:17.3
it's the idea of it.
21:22.3
in this world now
21:23.2
is marami sa mga tao ngayon
21:25.3
ang hindi na marunong
21:26.8
mag-isip ng tama.
21:28.6
And that's what's giving rise
21:30.0
to authoritarianism
21:31.0
all over the world,
21:31.7
even in the United States.
21:34.3
It's coming back.
21:35.4
Trump is coming back.
21:37.2
more than three percent chance.
21:39.9
he probably will win
21:41.1
and he will avenge
21:44.4
and whatever anyone did to him.
21:47.4
And it's going to be insane
21:48.8
what's going to happen
21:55.6
this is the problem
21:58.4
sa mga tao ngayon.
22:02.6
wala nang critical thinking.
22:08.0
is that I can somehow
22:09.1
instill critical thinking back
22:10.8
in people's way of,
22:14.3
and how they look at things.
22:16.5
critical thinking
22:17.0
and also self-awareness.
22:19.4
There's no such thing
22:20.4
as self-awareness anymore eh.
22:21.9
People are just zombies now
22:23.7
walking on this earth.
22:27.4
as if they believe something
22:29.8
it's a borrowed belief
22:30.8
because they can never defend
22:32.9
what they believe in.
22:34.3
That's why, you know,
22:34.9
it's a borrowed belief.
22:35.7
And that's the sad part
22:37.7
about this society.
22:39.1
And if I can change
22:40.0
one person's mind
22:41.0
by the vlogs I do,
22:42.8
kahit na isa lang,
22:44.3
then I've done my job.
22:46.1
And that's why I do it.
22:47.3
And that is really
22:49.5
for doing these vlogs.
22:53.4
my understanding there is that,
22:55.5
a lot of people are voting nowadays
22:57.8
not necessarily because
22:58.6
they want candidate A,
22:59.9
but because they hate
23:00.7
so much candidate B,
23:03.3
negative solidarity.
23:06.0
that's the thing.
23:06.6
They gaslight you
23:07.3
as hating Duterte,
23:08.6
a lot of people have voted
23:09.7
because they hate
23:10.4
the other candidates.
23:11.8
the factual basis
23:13.2
is very questionable.
23:14.2
Like, for instance,
23:18.2
you forgot 10 years
23:18.9
of Arroyo almost, right?
23:25.0
Ramos was a cousin
23:26.7
and helped Marcos
23:27.9
throughout until,
23:29.3
he turned against the guy.
23:32.5
a situational argument
23:33.5
that Corazon Aquino
23:34.3
was there to clean up
23:35.1
the mess of Marcos Sr.
23:36.3
with some success
23:37.1
and Aquino was there
23:38.0
to clean up the mess
23:41.4
were half successful
23:42.7
but to blame them
23:45.3
really the problem.
23:47.6
of disinformation
23:48.4
and lack of critical thinking
23:52.2
is it social media?
23:54.0
what do you think
23:54.6
is contributing to that?
23:57.1
of nonsensical information?
24:00.0
drowning in garbage?
24:01.1
Is that your concern
24:03.5
what happened is,
24:05.8
when social media
24:08.3
Facebook started 2008,
24:11.5
it started to really
24:12.4
proliferate about 2012,
24:15.5
is when it really
24:18.1
to that next level.
24:19.6
And it democratized
24:25.7
when it's democratized,
24:29.4
there's no guard,
24:30.3
vanguard to information.
24:39.8
this is vetted information,
24:41.3
this is accurate,
24:42.8
Wala na lahat yun.
24:45.1
information is a free for all.
24:48.6
nobody taught people
24:50.5
how to discern information.
24:53.4
Kasi we're so used
24:57.7
Ito na ang tamang
24:59.3
according to what
25:00.1
the newspaper says.
25:02.4
it's not even real.
25:03.9
with the democratization
25:06.2
but without teaching us
25:08.7
right information
25:10.8
and this is where
25:11.5
fake news happened.
25:12.8
The time of Duterte
25:13.8
with Cambridge Analytica,
25:18.0
to take advantage
25:21.2
Duterte was the first
25:29.3
Duterte was ground zero
25:30.4
for Cambridge Analytica,
25:33.7
Trump used the same strategy
25:36.7
all the other people
25:38.4
that same strategy,
25:40.2
we're just seeing it now.
25:42.5
seven years later,
25:45.6
teka, teka, teka,
25:46.6
we really have to fight
25:48.7
We can't just be silent
25:49.7
because do you remember
25:51.0
nung panahon ni Duterte
25:53.8
When people were debating,
25:56.8
I have a lot of friends
25:57.8
ayoko na mag-social media,
25:58.8
it's a lot of garbage.
25:59.5
Yeah, it's too toxic.
26:03.2
Rather than speak out,
26:05.2
because it was too stressful.
26:07.7
the difference now is
26:09.2
there's fake news,
26:10.1
I encourage everyone
26:12.5
to combat fake news,
26:13.8
to call out a troll,
26:14.9
to call out people
26:19.2
and that's needed.
26:20.8
That counter is needed.
26:26.4
you know what I noticed?
26:27.3
On TikTok especially,
26:28.3
and you know this,
26:30.2
I remember when I got on,
26:32.6
how much fake news
26:37.1
different reality.
26:42.4
Yeah, and even the comments.
26:44.5
it's the bottom of the,
26:47.5
it's the bottom feeders.
26:51.2
I need to be on this network,
26:53.6
this social media
26:54.4
because there's nobody else
26:56.6
to counter all this BS
27:02.8
if you look at all my comments,
27:07.3
that would support
27:08.1
are afraid to speak out
27:09.9
because if you support,
27:11.3
you will get the trolls
27:16.6
to just silence you.
27:19.4
poisoning the well strategy.
27:21.5
the poisoning the well strategy.
27:23.3
They don't even need
27:26.8
meaning people of reason
27:29.7
all they need to do
27:30.5
is to demobilize people,
27:36.5
to even conversation,
27:38.5
And the thing is this,
27:39.6
but this is where
27:40.2
I'm a little bit self-critical.
27:43.5
is a lot of people,
27:45.0
who had platforms,
27:47.3
columnists for newspapers
27:48.4
like yours truly,
27:49.5
people who are in the media,
27:50.7
I think a lot of us,
27:55.7
that's not their level.
27:56.7
We're this level, right?
27:58.0
I'm not going to go
27:59.0
down to their level.
28:00.9
I always feel like,
28:01.9
bakit mo dinibate
28:05.4
Eh, hindi mo sila
28:06.1
ka-level and gano'n.
28:07.3
that's exactly the problem.
28:09.6
that we're better
28:10.7
than everyone else,
28:11.6
we should not engage them.
28:12.9
we've left the field
28:15.7
I got bashed a lot
28:16.7
for engaging these people
28:18.3
platforming them.
28:20.2
that's the loser mindset.
28:21.4
That's the snowflake mindset.
28:25.3
and then shut down
28:27.0
Not let them talk
28:27.9
and then let them
28:28.5
get away with fake news.
28:31.0
and then shut it down.
28:32.1
And yun ang hindi nakikita
28:34.0
But that's the thing,
28:38.4
You need a certain degree
28:40.2
and strength of character
28:43.2
I did martial arts.
28:45.9
I do all of these things
28:52.5
and death threats
28:53.2
throughout the 6-7 years or so.
28:56.2
what is your routine?
28:59.3
kind of a fitness person,
29:00.7
motivational coach.
29:02.0
did that help you?
29:03.5
I know you're saying
29:04.7
dapat mas nag-engage tayo
29:06.1
pero medyo kailangan mo rin
29:08.9
And strength of character.
29:13.7
masyado naman talaga
29:15.0
na-affect ng mga bashers
29:16.8
meron akong paniniwala talaga
29:20.8
that people are entitled
29:22.2
to their opinion.
29:23.8
And I really believe that,
29:25.1
that I have no need
29:26.9
to change your narrative
29:30.7
or anything else.
29:33.9
like in your mind,
29:37.7
and that's your life.
29:39.2
Who am I to control
29:42.4
or the movie in your mind?
29:44.5
That's not my business.
29:47.2
I have no need to do that.
29:48.6
So when I was able
29:49.5
to let go of that need,
29:51.6
then I had a lot more respect
29:54.0
for people's opinion.
29:55.6
So when people have
29:56.2
a different opinion,
29:57.0
I just accept it as their opinion.
29:58.8
As much as this is my opinion,
30:00.7
And when I speak,
30:02.4
I'm not trying to convince anyone
30:04.4
to change their mind.
30:06.4
I'm just speaking
30:07.1
to let people know
30:08.2
this is my opinion.
30:10.9
what you decide to do
30:11.9
with that opinion.
30:16.2
I don't mind debating with people.
30:17.9
It's because of that.
30:21.8
and I met this kid
30:23.9
that's a BBM supporter,
30:25.9
21-year-old na student.
30:27.9
okay lang ba sa'yo
30:28.4
if we do a conversation?
30:32.8
Kasi bihira ako makahanap
30:35.0
that's willing to talk to me.
30:36.2
yeah, yeah, okay.
30:37.0
So we were talking.
30:38.0
And when I was talking to him,
30:38.8
I'm not combative normally
30:40.6
in a conversation actually.
30:42.6
So I was just listening to him
30:43.9
and at the end of it,
30:45.5
he started to doubt himself
30:46.8
and he couldn't even reason out
30:48.8
why he was voting for BBM.
30:53.9
and then suddenly,
30:54.7
I found out he was INC
30:56.0
and then the INC,
30:57.4
some of the leaders there
30:58.8
wanted to talk to me.
31:01.2
And they wanted to debate with me.
31:03.8
That escalated fast.
31:07.6
But the thing was for me,
31:09.4
people were remixing my video,
31:13.7
challenging my perspective.
31:18.6
People were calling me stupid.
31:22.0
remember there was this very popular,
31:23.6
I forget who it was,
31:24.6
yung mga sikat na vloggers.
31:26.2
Marami sikat na vloggers
31:27.2
si Duterte at saka si BBM eh.
31:29.7
one of them said,
31:31.5
talaga to si Chris,
31:32.3
he was talking about inflation.
31:33.6
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
31:35.4
The US has high inflation.
31:37.6
They borrow a lot of money.
31:39.2
The debt-to-GDP ratio is higher.
31:40.8
Blah, blah, blah.
31:44.2
So, somebody says na,
31:47.2
that's a logical fallacy eh.
31:49.9
It's correct because everyone else is doing it.
31:52.2
That's a logical fallacy.
31:53.6
That's not a way to argue a point.
31:57.0
but I will not try
32:00.4
But if he or she wanted to debate with me,
32:02.5
I'd be more than happy to.
32:04.3
But there was a part of me that did not want to.
32:06.4
You mean the whataboutism, no?
32:08.0
I mean the whole whataboutism.
32:11.7
the two rungs don't make it right.
32:13.1
Like, that's the part.
32:16.5
when I hear logic like that,
32:18.3
wow, there's no point in debating with them.
32:21.3
And I did not want to,
32:22.5
I did not want to amplify these people.
32:26.8
I didn't want to debate.
32:29.0
They can amplify me
32:30.4
because they're posting my videos.
32:33.2
But I did not want to debate them
32:34.6
because I think a person that's smart
32:37.6
which point was right and wrong.
32:40.1
They just have to hear both sides
32:41.5
and it's up to them to decide
32:42.6
ano yung paniniwalaan nila.
32:44.3
But that's the point.
32:45.4
Like, you mentioned the importance
32:46.8
of critical thinking.
32:48.2
I think the other importance
32:50.7
why would we even bother
32:52.0
to engage with some of our kababayan
32:54.2
if we don't care about them, right?
32:56.0
I know it might come off as patronizing,
32:59.0
it's only patronizing
32:59.7
if you're their lecturing.
33:01.5
If you're not there
33:02.0
to actually listen.
33:04.6
I was born in Baguio,
33:05.7
literally Marcos Highway almost.
33:08.3
I'm surrounded with a lot of
33:09.5
pro-Marcos people.
33:11.0
I sit down there,
33:13.8
all of these inside jokes
33:17.2
that's where you can have
33:18.5
Because if you come in and say,
33:19.6
gusto nyo sa madana ko,
33:21.9
nothing's gonna happen
33:22.6
and they're gonna go like that.
33:24.1
tapos nang usapan.
33:24.8
You're mutually canceled.
33:28.6
but I learned from my own experience
33:29.9
that the last way to start
33:31.7
is to cancel each other.
33:33.1
it has to come with a position
33:34.9
and even a degree
33:36.5
of mutual respect.
33:38.2
hindi naman tanga
33:39.6
just because bumoto ka
33:40.7
sa maling candidate.
33:41.8
all of us do stupid things in life.
33:43.6
And politics is not
33:46.1
It's about discernment.
33:47.1
It's about judgment.
33:48.2
It's about wisdom
33:52.0
I wanted to add that
34:03.0
that was the thing.
34:03.8
when I talk to them,
34:05.3
that's why I think
34:07.1
it doesn't come across that way
34:08.5
because I don't really believe that.
34:11.1
I think people that voted
34:14.4
that they were doing
34:16.6
or it was just born out
34:17.9
of a massive frustration.
34:20.8
that frustration.
34:25.4
exactly that frustration
34:27.1
nung panahon nga ni Pinoy,
34:34.8
I remember the scene
34:37.5
when the Hong Kong
34:41.1
the hostage taker
34:42.4
and then the police
34:44.9
just shooting randomly
34:45.9
and actually killed
34:48.0
It wasn't the hostage taker
34:49.2
that killed them,
34:49.7
it was the police
34:50.4
because they were just shooting.
34:54.3
on the press con,
34:55.2
I remember that press con,
34:56.4
he looked at the camera
35:02.0
mas grabe nga naman
35:03.6
mas marami na matay dun eh.
35:05.9
Nag-whataboutist din siya.
35:07.8
Nag-whataboutist.
35:09.1
when he said that,
35:10.0
the same one mamasapano,
35:11.0
the same one mamasapano.
35:13.6
he should have gone there
35:14.5
and embraced the families
35:15.5
and I said something like,
35:16.5
ayoko nang mag-drama
35:17.5
or something like that.
35:18.1
I don't know how many,
35:19.6
I had a conversation
35:20.6
with the late president.
35:22.8
this is just before pandemic
35:25.4
I was telling him,
35:26.5
the Philippines is not Germany,
35:27.7
it's more like Italy,
35:29.0
Because I heard from someone
35:30.1
that Mahilic siya sa German politics.
35:32.4
I think yung idol niya
35:33.1
is like Angela Merkel of Germany,
35:35.2
that kind of rational,
35:37.8
democratic leader,
35:39.5
tuwantuwa siya sa German
35:40.6
coalition politics.
35:42.5
we are like Italy,
35:43.6
we need a Berlusconi sometimes.
35:47.7
but do you also do your job,
35:49.1
At the end of the day,
35:49.6
we still have to build
35:50.4
the Lamborghinis and Ferraris,
35:53.3
I think there was a,
35:54.1
there was a lack of appreciation
35:56.2
the emotional moment of,
35:58.3
the emotional aspect
35:59.1
of Philippine politics.
36:01.0
I think that was the problem.
36:02.2
His role model was not applicable
36:03.7
to the Philippines.
36:04.5
Perhaps if he were in Sweden
36:05.7
or a country like that,
36:07.8
I would say the same thing.
36:10.4
the empathy aspect.
36:12.6
Aneta Rojas was trying to come up
36:17.7
with the Lacoste,
36:20.2
I mean like this,
36:21.7
not to do presidential campaign.
36:23.9
I don't know what on earth
36:24.9
was going on there.
36:26.2
like from Pinoy to Maroas,
36:28.0
like really something
36:30.4
there was a disconnect,
36:32.6
they were not connecting
36:35.2
Pero you know what,
36:35.8
I'll tell you what's interesting.
36:37.5
The very reason why
36:40.8
is the same reason
36:45.9
Think about that,
36:47.0
yung that statement.
36:49.4
people never vote logically.
36:51.7
They always vote emotionally
36:54.0
and they justify it logically.
36:57.0
Kasi pag tinignan mo,
36:58.2
nun tumakbo si Pinoy,
36:59.5
he didn't have the credentials.
37:01.7
He didn't have the credentials.
37:03.5
He was a lackluster congressman.
37:07.8
Yeah, and a senator.
37:09.0
A lockdown senator, yeah.
37:11.1
he was practically absent.
37:13.5
Didn't really get a lot of bills passed.
37:15.7
he was a C student.
37:19.5
The only reason he won
37:20.5
was the emotional aspect.
37:21.7
The emotional side.
37:23.5
And everyone's like,
37:24.4
okay, let's push him.
37:26.1
So it's that same
37:27.2
lack of reasoning
37:33.2
is the same reasoning
37:35.5
that propelled Duterte to win.
37:38.8
an outpouring of emotion.
37:43.3
and people will justify that emotion.
37:45.9
I would speak to my friends
37:47.3
who were in victory.
37:48.7
I remember I had a friend
37:49.5
who was in victory na
37:51.7
And he was supporting Duterte.
37:53.6
And I said to him,
37:54.5
your question, right?
37:56.0
You agree with the killing?
38:01.2
pero kung masama naman sila,
38:04.6
well, you should just
38:05.5
denounce your religion.
38:06.7
Nag-Old Testament siguro sila.
38:10.1
and justify any kind of violence.
38:12.5
You know, I mean,
38:14.4
look at what was done to Jericho.
38:16.2
Even the oxen were killed
38:17.5
and massacred and all.
38:18.6
I was just reading
38:19.0
the verses there.
38:23.1
And here's the irony.
38:25.0
The irony is this.
38:27.5
they were saying that,
38:28.3
no, it wasn't Duterte
38:30.3
It was the drug lords
38:31.6
killing each other.
38:33.1
And then eventually,
38:34.5
pag tinignan mo yung mga bashers
38:36.0
ngayon and trolls,
38:36.6
it's so funny how
38:37.5
they didn't realize.
38:39.0
Now, they're saying,
38:41.7
matay si Duterte.
38:42.7
And then they'll say,
38:44.4
And then they'll say,
38:45.3
masama lahat yun.
38:47.1
tama yung ginagawa.
38:48.0
And I'm like, wow.
38:48.8
So you're actually admitting
38:51.3
you are supporting
38:52.0
somebody who you know
38:55.2
actually kills people
38:56.7
and you're okay with it.
39:00.5
when he was still a president,
39:03.7
So there was this transition
39:07.0
to now actually even
39:08.5
gloating and bragging about it.
39:10.5
But they didn't realize
39:11.3
they made that transition.
39:12.7
That's the funny part.
39:13.8
That by their comments,
39:15.9
they're actually validating
39:19.0
should come in here.
39:22.3
because I want to end
39:23.4
on the very eloquent way
39:25.8
the rhetorical question
39:27.4
who's the worst president
39:28.5
in the Philippines.
39:29.4
But before we just go to there,
39:33.6
there were a number
39:34.6
of very good philosophical works
39:36.5
on the question of evil
39:39.4
even controversial people
39:40.5
like Jordan Peterson
39:41.2
also said something like that.
39:42.4
In every human being,
39:43.3
there's a dark side to it.
39:44.4
I think it goes back
39:46.3
Because there are people
39:47.9
who are against Duterte.
39:49.3
They're against what Duterte did.
39:52.0
with the populist leader
39:52.9
who goes and kills
39:53.9
really corrupt leaders
39:57.2
maybe I'm okay with that.
39:58.4
But just don't kill
39:59.3
the poor, innocent people.
40:00.6
You know what I'm saying?
40:01.0
Like, there are levels to do that.
40:02.2
It's not like either or.
40:03.7
Because many people
40:06.8
a better version of Duterte
40:08.2
to kill the right people,
40:10.1
if I can put it that way,
40:11.1
which is, of course,
40:11.5
the wrong way of putting it.
40:12.6
Do you get what I'm saying?
40:13.3
Like, unfortunately,
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there's that kind of
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desperation to our politics
40:16.2
because our judicial institutions
40:17.5
have really not been delivering.
40:19.2
Whatever administration
40:21.5
one of the highest
40:22.1
pre-detainee trials.
40:24.4
People, you know,
40:25.2
pre-trial detainees, sorry.
40:26.7
One of the highest rates
40:27.6
of miscarriages of justice,
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it's not really an either
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kind of situation.
40:34.1
I think there are
40:34.7
50 shades of gray
40:35.6
when it comes to that.
40:36.2
But last point on this episode,
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before we transition
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to the next episode
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and before I transition location
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because we're all here.
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who's the worst president
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and who's the best president
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everything's relative, right?
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We're just saying
40:54.2
not in the solar,
40:55.2
but maybe in the Philippines.
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and who's the best and why?
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Gusto mo gusto natin.
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Let's start with the
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who's the best muna, Johan?
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Are you ready for the best?
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Mas mahirap yun, no?
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Mas mahirap yun, eh.
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in Philippine history
41:17.9
was the worst president
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for so many reasons,
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with doubling our debt,
41:26.7
over doubling our debt
41:27.8
in his last two years
41:29.7
during the pandemic
41:31.2
and then not just that,
41:32.5
people were dying
41:33.7
from the pandemic
41:34.5
and yet he allowed
41:37.6
to be able to siphon off
41:41.2
and were paying for.
41:42.7
Today, our national debt
41:44.2
is over 14 trillion
41:45.9
because of Duterte.
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yung pagka-corruption niya
41:50.2
was gangster-level corruption
41:52.4
and he was bragging about it
41:55.4
on top of the fact
41:56.6
that he was killing everyone.
41:58.2
You remember those
41:58.9
vice mayors and mayors?
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May isa doon yung
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nagbabayang mag-iliyo,
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boom, on the heart,
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let's say he was a drug lord,
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there is due process
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nobody said anything
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nung pinatay yung isang
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sa kulungan na sinasabi.
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As in Espinosa, right.
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Because, you know,
42:24.5
he was a drug lord, right?
42:25.4
Okay, I didn't say anything
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to be honest with you.
42:28.1
to be honest with you,
42:28.8
I was a little bit like,
42:30.8
That's what I'm saying.
42:31.8
That's what I'm saying.
42:33.6
There's a degree, right?
42:36.5
but there were a lot of people
42:38.4
that were innocent
42:39.1
that were getting killed
42:40.0
and going to jail
42:40.8
because they just criticized him.
42:42.6
De Lima was a perfect example.
42:45.4
And this is where
42:46.3
Duterte started to believe
42:51.5
That's why I would believe
42:52.5
that he was the worst
42:53.5
because of the psyche.
42:55.4
The belief that he was
42:58.8
has the authority
43:05.3
Even when he's not a president.
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Do you think that
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is one way of looking at it?
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Do you think that's
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Because, you know,
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there's some people who say
43:14.0
I mean, the cult of personality,
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the death squads,
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the glorification
43:23.4
Those all ticks the boxes.
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Yeah, you're right.
43:26.9
I would call him a fascist.
43:36.2
Because he's senior, right?
43:37.2
Just to be clear.
43:38.7
Junior, we have to give him
43:40.8
He still has years.
43:43.1
So senior comes in second
43:45.4
of how he inflated
43:51.0
national debt natin
43:56.8
it went from like
43:57.5
a few hundred million
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And for a president
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five to ten billion dollars
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by today's standard,
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that's still a lot of money.
44:13.4
Imagine back then.
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The inflation that you said, yeah.
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Yeah, that would be like
44:17.1
a hundred billion
44:17.9
to two hundred billion.
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compute it to today's values,
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it's an insane amount
44:24.6
and people went into poverty.
44:27.8
before he went into,
44:29.3
before he became president,
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the Philippines was,
44:34.2
one of the most progressive
44:37.0
And then when he came in,
44:38.7
continually deteriorated.
44:40.5
But people forgot that
44:43.1
People remembered
44:45.0
that he came on the tail end
44:46.4
of the good days,
44:47.7
Asian Development Bank
44:51.7
But that's actually
44:52.4
the beginning of the end, right?
44:54.3
Yeah, but for some reason,
44:56.5
it extended all the way
44:58.9
Because few people
44:59.9
care to read about
45:03.7
a little bit better.
45:05.8
all presidents before Marcos
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or Manuel Quezon.
45:12.5
So I think Marcos
45:16.5
Parang siya in current.
45:18.8
I just thought about
45:20.0
the male version of
45:20.8
Karen as a Kevin.
45:29.8
1960s Marcos pa rin,
45:33.6
tapos na yung good times.
45:35.9
And then the rest
45:38.3
the human rights violations,
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You want to mention that.
45:41.5
Adding that factor in.
45:43.1
And the difference
45:45.5
he was deliberate.
45:50.3
So yung tanong lang ano.
45:51.2
Ano ba yung mas masama?
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There was something
46:09.0
a person that believes that.
46:13.5
So Marcos comes in second
46:18.6
A good guess like
46:19.6
I think you're gonna say
46:22.2
you know with Erap
46:23.5
alam mo yung kay Erap
46:24.4
alam mo naalala ko
46:27.1
parang we were living
46:31.4
were driving around
46:32.4
with their convoys
46:33.7
doing whatever the hell
46:38.9
Erap wasn't even working.
46:41.2
He would go to work
46:45.3
I know that private area
46:47.4
that they would go to.
46:48.6
And then it was just
46:52.3
And the economy suffered.
46:53.2
Work is for the weak.
46:57.3
he was just plundering
47:00.3
we know what happened
47:03.4
knowing his ultimate demise
47:05.3
he was going to die.
47:06.5
He was gonna get killed.
47:07.8
Then spoke out against Erap
47:10.5
all the dirt came out.
47:12.0
So he's on my third.
47:12.9
I don't wanna talk
47:13.9
too much about Erap
47:15.7
Mati-depressed na tayo.
47:20.0
not in any order?
47:21.5
Again, relative terms.
47:24.1
Top three na lang.
47:34.7
to be honest with you.
47:35.6
Sige don't rank it.
47:38.7
Like what are the
47:39.2
top three presidents
47:46.4
Or are we talking
47:46.9
If wala kang type dun
47:49.2
you can go all the way
47:53.7
as far as Aguinaldo
47:54.8
pero at the same time
48:03.9
about the current
48:06.8
So if I were to do
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yung top three ko ha.
48:19.6
in no particular order
48:23.5
and I'll tell you
48:26.5
I'll tell you what
48:33.6
kasi you know what
48:37.2
because of the fact
48:39.5
that she did work hard
48:40.7
she woke up early
48:41.7
she fixed the economy
48:43.7
along with Mar Rojas
48:44.8
the BPO industries
48:51.2
that you're seeing now
48:52.0
is because of what
48:52.6
GMA did during her time.
49:00.7
in the government
49:01.5
which was very much
49:02.9
and during his time
49:04.5
Philippines was considered
49:05.5
the tiger economy
49:13.1
dollar was 26 pesos
49:15.4
dollar was 26 pesos
49:16.4
I remember during
49:21.7
around the region
49:24.8
and he was a statesman
49:25.6
he was a statesman
49:29.4
although of course
49:30.1
I would put Ramos
49:33.8
you're the other one
49:36.6
better than Ramos
49:43.0
because economically
49:47.0
sound economic principles
49:48.2
not because he was smart
49:49.7
he hired smart people
49:54.0
to join the government
49:56.8
that I did not see
49:58.0
that was going to happen
49:59.2
and I was impressed
50:04.2
people from private sector
50:05.8
that joined the government
50:07.7
because they wanted
50:08.9
to genuinely help
50:10.0
I was so impressed
50:12.6
during Pinoy's time
50:19.6
the national debt
50:20.4
actually I think it went down
50:21.6
if I remember correctly
50:23.4
yeah as a sheriff
50:27.2
what he was able to do
50:31.5
was he lacked empathy
50:32.9
he did not connect
50:34.9
but aside from that
50:41.6
was because his government
50:43.0
opened that all up
50:49.2
to lay the groundwork
50:52.0
kept it to the next level
50:55.7
foreign investments
50:57.3
with Pinoy's time
51:00.1
we can talk about
51:02.0
sa paano many failures
51:03.9
like serious failures
51:06.1
this is relative guys
51:07.7
he's the best president
51:09.0
we're just saying
51:10.1
relative to other president
51:11.1
we can put him there
51:14.4
I see where you're coming from
51:19.6
international community
51:20.8
things we've written
51:22.0
about the Philippines
51:22.7
during Aquino time
51:24.4
increasingly respected
51:26.5
and respectable countries
51:27.6
and for me that mattered
51:28.3
because I dealt with
51:31.6
international communities
51:33.5
and that is going to be
51:34.8
a next topic episode
51:35.8
let's talk about China
51:37.0
West Philippine Sea
51:37.8
and being a Chinoy
51:39.8
interesting times
51:41.1
if we can put it that way
51:42.0
thank you very much Chris
51:46.5
I enjoyed this conversation
