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medyo ibang usapan niyan.
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going back to this, Ronald,
10:37.7
tanggap ko maraming mga
10:38.7
almost fanatic supporters.
10:40.1
Let's just call it
10:41.8
pagdating sa Imperial Manila,
10:44.5
seat of economic power,
10:45.8
I think very skewed
10:48.5
and the de facto alliance
10:53.0
yung mga never Duterte types,
10:55.5
the West Philippines issue,
10:57.1
the China hatred,
11:00.4
a completely gigantic
11:05.5
almost checkmate sila.
11:06.6
If it's a question of numbers,
11:09.3
as many people out.
11:10.3
Especially dito sa Imperial Manila,
11:17.6
yung mga narinig ko
11:18.5
ng mga political analysts,
11:20.8
na hindi mo naman katulad,
11:24.0
medyo nagsusuring maigre
11:25.8
ng mga numbers nila
11:28.8
behind the numbers
11:31.5
parang baka kulang
11:34.1
yung kanilang pagsusuri.
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isang political analyst
11:38.0
ang taas-taas pa ni Digong,
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Lalo na itong latest survey
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a popular president,
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ang tinitingnan kasi natin,
11:52.8
ay hindi yung absolute numbers,
11:54.6
Ang tinitingnan natin
11:55.9
yung movement of numbers,
11:57.6
Yung highest ni Digong,
11:59.9
was December 2020,
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Nung kalagitnaan ng pandemic
12:04.5
at nagbibigay sila
12:05.9
ng maraming ayuda,
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nakakuha siya ng 91%,
12:10.9
Sabi nga ni Digong
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nung panahon na yun, eh.
12:14.8
yung ayaw sa atin.
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binagtawanan tayo.
12:20.7
If you include the margin of error,
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itong survey na ito,
12:29.4
that's a long jump
12:34.4
na yung bo-vote sa iyo
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baka kinakailangan
12:43.8
i-deconstruct natin
12:45.2
itong mga numbers na ito.
12:46.7
Anong ibig sabihin niya?
12:49.2
meron akong narinig
12:50.1
ng isang politik,
12:50.7
political analyst din
12:52.3
ay kung tutugisin si Digong,
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baka pumunta sa kanya
12:57.7
dahil siya ay magiging
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kumpara nung height
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ng popularity ni Digong.
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ay merong kaunting
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nung pumunta siya sa korte,
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Nag-mobilize sila.
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It was just a handful.
13:26.1
Yung pumunta sa korte
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ang tutulong sa kanya
13:35.9
makakaharness siya
13:44.4
lagi natin pinag-usapan,
13:46.6
a defining moment
13:48.8
para sa mga Duterte.
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Kung wala silang gagawin
13:53.4
four to six months,
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Baka matapos na yung
13:58.0
political career.
14:03.7
Baka mawala na sila
14:05.1
ng political future
14:08.0
a few weeks back,
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kung lalabas yung
14:12.6
international warrant,
14:18.1
susuportahan sila ng
14:19.5
to enforce the warrant.
14:21.9
papabaya ang mamasakar
14:26.3
ang mag-i-implement yan,
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ng all the forces
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which is supposed
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to have a monopoly
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on coercive power.
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Per German definition,
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but this is Davao
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sabi ng Rappler, eh.
14:44.8
More than 300 guns.
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dahil dalawa lang yung kamay mo,
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mahirap gamitin yun.
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the Punisher, no?
14:52.7
Parang si the Punisher
14:54.9
dami ng barel, diba?
14:59.9
Makamahirapan siya
15:02.2
anong taon na ba siya?
15:05.3
But he didn't age very well.
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people in their 90s.
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he aged that well
15:14.1
compared to them.
15:15.7
going back to this,
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ako sigurado ako na
15:18.9
there's gonna be a show force,
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at least in Davao, no?
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And maybe some of the
15:23.0
bigger cities in Visayas
15:25.1
kung saan meron talong
15:26.0
residual support.
15:27.1
Hindi lang si Digong,
15:27.9
pero si Sara Duterto
15:29.3
as a still number two
15:31.2
and potential presidential
15:32.9
ball down the road, no?
15:33.8
So, I won't be surprised
15:35.0
seeing some, you know,
15:36.1
some rally in Davao.
15:40.9
But your contention
15:42.1
is that, you know,
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that will not be enough
15:44.7
to move the needle,
15:47.5
the organs of the state
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from potentially cooperating.
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some forces are threatening
15:53.5
Mag-secession daw yung Mindanao,
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which I greatly doubt.
15:56.8
Alibawa, Southern Mindanao,
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malakas ang influence dyan
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Kapatid niya yung governor, no?
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Asawa ng kanyang kapatid,
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ng General Santos.
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Marami siyang mga mayors
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na supportado siya
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sa South Cotabato.
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of Southern Mindanao,
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halong sigurado ko
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hindi sasama dyan
16:19.1
sa secession na yan, no?
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Yung mga basulta,
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Hindi sasama yan.
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Alibawa, ang Basilan
16:30.8
Yeah, si Len yung
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in-endorse nila, diba?
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Si Len yung in-endorse.
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Pink na pink sila
16:34.8
nung last year's elections.
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ang in-endorse nila
16:46.0
ang in-endorse nila.
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Exactly, exactly.
16:48.1
Tapos, meron kang mga
16:54.8
yung kanilang lugar,
16:58.8
yung threat ng secession,
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that's not on the table.
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some of the other
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who has been talking
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in last year's elections.
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So, ang dami dyan
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Duterte's purpose,
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So, even if gusto nila
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on Duterte's terms.
17:28.8
let's go back to this
17:30.9
kasi one of the most
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fascinating analysis
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I heard during my visits
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throughout the years
17:36.2
I have been to Davao
17:37.0
and I got fantastic
17:39.3
Marami tayong mga kaibigan dyan.
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friendships natin dyan
17:43.3
And one of the things
17:46.4
nanalo daw si Digong
17:50.3
they also have rivals
17:52.5
Do you see the possibility
17:54.1
that if they overshoot,
17:56.0
which they're increasingly doing,
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and then they go for gold
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within Davao mismo,
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they could be challenged
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by other major players?
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I think people are already
18:04.9
aware of the other
18:05.7
important dynamics
18:07.0
of some people there.
18:09.4
yung balance of forces
18:11.4
Pero alam mo naman,
18:12.5
pag wala ka na sa kapangyarihan,
18:13.7
anything can happen.
18:16.5
hawak pa rin nila
18:19.3
yung head ng Partido Federal
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is also from Mindanao.
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yung may hawak niyan
18:29.7
dahil relative nila
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ni Speaker Martin Romualdez.
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kung yung sinasabing secession,
18:41.0
some people na hindi related
18:43.0
or hindi loyal kay Digong,
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tulad ni former Speaker
18:47.4
sa salita about secession,
18:52.8
kahit man lang first base.
18:56.0
Kahit first base,
18:57.4
I greatly doubt yung ganoon.
18:59.8
Sobrang maliit yung possibility.
19:01.8
Sobrang liit yung possibility
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secession in favor of Duterte
19:09.7
in favor of Duterte.
19:11.2
Although I don't underestimate
19:12.4
some factions really wanting
19:14.3
some sort of secession.
19:15.3
Last time I checked,
19:15.8
may flag pa nga daw sila.
19:17.0
May nag-nag-nag-nag.
19:18.9
Hindi, ready na sila.
19:19.9
May flag na nga sila.
19:24.1
But let's go back to this.
19:27.2
one of the things
19:27.8
that made me realize
19:29.1
na itong Martin Romaldes
19:31.4
knows what he's doing
19:33.7
ang daming mga congressmen
19:36.3
I think 200 of them,
19:38.7
ay biglang sumali dun
19:40.0
sa lakas CMD party
19:42.1
ni Martin Romaldes.
19:43.7
I'm not sure how much power
19:45.7
I doubt about it.
19:46.4
She's still there
19:47.0
in the pictures and all.
19:48.6
parang ang narealize ko dun,
19:50.5
hindi ba ito parang
19:51.2
rear invasions move yan
19:54.9
you're essentially
19:55.9
emptying the floor,
19:57.3
Kasi kung kukuni mo lahat
19:59.2
parang go yan, di ba?
20:01.2
Hindi nga chest to,
20:01.8
encirclement ng encirclement yan.
20:03.9
Kinukuha mo lahat sa damaw, eh.
20:05.4
Nagde-defect na sila
20:07.0
That's where the,
20:07.8
all the resources
20:08.5
and the power of the state,
20:10.1
the mandate of the state
20:12.5
VP is just spare tire, di ba?
20:14.6
So, don't you think
20:15.9
that's also an option
20:17.4
ah, you wanna threaten me
20:19.0
from your stronghold?
20:22.5
and it's holding together, right?
20:25.4
may option din ganun yung,
20:27.0
the powers that be.
20:29.6
yun yung elephant in the room, eh.
20:32.5
Between now and the midterms,
20:34.4
very powerful incumbent.
20:36.6
At yung mga dynamics
20:37.9
na nag-uusapan natin
20:39.4
will happen in the next few months.
20:41.6
hindi nga isang taon, eh.
20:43.3
in the next few months.
20:44.8
kung ito'y mangyayari,
20:46.4
yung power of the state
20:47.4
yung power of the incumbent
20:49.0
will play out, no?
20:57.9
Halos naubos na yung PDP laban, eh.
21:01.0
Ang mismo yung Secretary General,
21:03.2
si Melvin Matibag,
21:04.2
yung asawa niya na sa lakas,
21:06.6
nagahanap ng posisyon sa gobyerno.
21:08.7
So, hindi ko na alam
21:12.8
May nakausap ako na
21:16.3
yung mga holdouts na yan,
21:20.4
may tatlong congressman,
21:22.3
pinag-iisipan na nila
21:24.4
Ito ba yung holdouts
21:26.7
nandun na sa kabila
21:28.5
Medyo nag-gagal na nila.
21:29.7
Alam mo naman, no?
21:32.5
Hindi strong point
21:37.9
Hindi strong point
21:39.7
ng ating mga politiko, eh.
21:41.4
Pero hindi natin sinasabi na
21:42.9
wala silang integrity.
21:44.2
Let's be very clear, Ronald.
21:45.1
We're just saying
21:46.0
it's not their strongest suit.
21:48.9
Sinasabi na wala silang integrity.
21:50.6
Sinasabi lang natin
21:51.5
hindi yan number one asset.
21:53.8
Baka meron silang
21:59.3
Nako, nako, nako.
22:00.0
Medyo madelikado.
22:01.9
sabi nga nung isang
22:04.7
sabi nga hindi naman
22:05.3
kailangan honesty
22:06.1
sa politics, di ba?
22:08.6
talagang ibang klase
22:09.7
talaga yung dynasty na yan.
22:11.7
I think this is...
22:12.6
Pero isang mahalaga rito
22:14.7
Ronald, may isang
22:16.3
kasi pag-usapan natin.
22:18.0
na tahimik si Sarah.
22:19.3
Tahimik yung vice president.
22:20.9
Let's talk about that.
22:22.1
Sige, in the next episode
22:24.2
Alam ko na yung takbo
22:26.3
okay, I need to cut it.
22:28.4
for the next episode.
22:29.9
Maraming salamat,
22:30.7
Sir Ronald Llamas.
22:32.2
Hindi naman natin
22:33.0
sinasabi na walang gulo
22:34.3
pero baka mangyaring gulo
22:37.9
Kasunod na hindi natin
22:38.8
sinasabi na walang
22:40.4
At hindi ko sinasabi
22:41.5
na ginagaya ka ni Harry Rock
22:42.9
at hindi ko sinasabi
22:43.8
na na-flatter ka.
22:44.8
Hindi, parang gano'n lang
22:46.5
Parang gano'n lang
22:47.1
dating sa akin eh.
22:49.6
Alright, on that note,
22:52.3
Thank you very much.
22:54.7
itong mga buhaya natin
22:55.9
dito na malaking buhaya.
22:57.4
Alright, thank you very much.
22:59.1
dala ng ganyang buhaya.
23:02.3
ang pinadala ko sa'yo.
23:03.9
ang pinadala mo sa'yo.
23:06.2
Alright, alright.
23:07.1
Talk to you soon.
23:08.0
Maraming salamat.
23:13.3
Let's get the ball ready.
23:14.8
Pag-iwan naman ang jacket ko.
23:16.4
Ayan na, mag-jacket pa.
23:17.9
Ayoko pa rin takpan
23:18.8
itong crocodile ko.
23:19.8
Next episode na lang.
23:21.0
Sige, ako may crocodile pa.
23:24.2
Hirap tanggalin ang crocodile.
23:28.5
Ay, ang laki na to.
23:31.1
Damit tuloy nag-comment eh.
23:35.3
Kaya parang ano na eh.
23:42.4
Alright, let's go.
23:44.8
Yung dinosaur na hindi nag-roll.
23:54.6
Let's get the ball rolling.
23:57.4
Tanggalin ko muna itong marlick ako para
23:59.2
i-warm up natin ulit.
24:01.6
Alright, alright, everyone.
24:03.3
In the previous episode,
24:05.2
ito na, pinag-usapan natin na
24:06.7
malapit, mukhang malapit na ma-checkmate
24:08.5
yung isang kampo.
24:10.0
This is not chess.
24:11.0
This is a game of Go.
24:12.0
Sagmukhang Chinese yung strategy nung admin.
24:14.8
Like, slowly and slowly and circle ito, no?
24:18.5
At we were even raising questions about
24:20.6
how much of a stronghold is the supposed stronghold
24:23.5
of the other camp in the ex-unit team.
24:27.1
And all of this was, of course, based dun sa
24:29.1
ex-analysis ni ex-human rights,
24:32.5
I'm sorry, ex-presidential spokesman.
24:35.4
But in this episode, Ronald,
24:36.6
let's put on the hat of like defense analyst.
24:40.2
Because, you know, for me,
24:42.5
you should always be prepared for,
24:44.8
you know, the violent lashes of a fading beast, diba?
24:47.9
Minsan pag-cornered yung isang camp,
24:49.8
that's where things gonna go crazy, right?
24:52.0
So, you know, in the previous episode,
24:53.8
we talked about the weaknesses.
24:55.1
But, you know, you may be weak relatively
24:57.2
to the past or to the other side.
25:00.0
But you may still have the spoiler power.
25:02.3
So, speaking of spoiler power,
25:03.5
of course, always one of the concerns
25:04.6
is the potential for Cudeta.
25:06.2
And then, recently, we saw, you know,
25:08.3
some ex-generals withdrawing their support
25:11.6
from the president.
25:12.6
Although, I'm not sure, like,
25:13.6
how can you withdraw something
25:14.6
that's not there?
25:15.5
Kasi hindi naman kailangan yung mga...
25:17.6
Diba? Ang kailangan mong supporta yung nandun, diba?
25:20.2
Yung mga servicemen na nandun.
25:21.8
First of all, let's talk about this
25:23.2
before going to ano yung mga black swans
25:26.1
or gray rhinos na pwede mangyari.
25:28.5
So, let's make this episode
25:29.5
the gray rhino slash black swan.
25:32.0
So, I think in the previous episode,
25:33.7
we talked about the known knowns.
25:35.9
Ito naman episode, ito mga potentially
25:37.6
unknown unknowns or known unknowns, no?
25:40.6
So, pag-usapan natin naman itong dalawa na yan.
25:42.6
So, ito talagang risk analysis na tayo.
25:44.6
This is how we do it, no?
25:45.9
Ronald, first of all,
25:46.7
let's take a crack at this ex-general...
25:50.4
Ang dami ex-generals
25:51.7
withdrawing support.
25:53.9
I mean, who are these people?
25:56.9
Kasi yung isa pinakinggan ko,
25:58.2
ang dami niyang sinabi na
25:59.0
you need a strong president
26:00.6
na on top of things and blow...
26:03.4
wait lang, parang yun ang dapat sinabi natin
26:05.2
three years ago, four years ago,
26:07.9
kasi absent yung president natin nun, diba?
26:10.4
I mean, kumpara mo si BBM,
26:12.0
yes, he travels and all,
26:13.1
but you know, he's still, you know,
26:15.6
I'm not sure about the other one before.
26:17.7
Ikaw, Ronald, what is your...
26:19.0
First off the bat,
26:19.9
ano yung hot take mo dito?
26:22.1
Well, una, yung nag-catalyze dito
26:23.8
sa ating discussion,
26:24.9
itong manifesto daw
26:28.2
ng mga generals, no?
26:31.0
Pero dalawang general lang yung humarap.
26:34.3
Yung isa hindi general.
26:35.2
Yung isa ay captain.
26:36.2
Captain Dado, no?
26:38.9
Kabatch ni National Security Advisor Anyo.
26:42.1
Yung Captain Dado na yan.
26:44.6
Na ang pinakamataas na naabot na posisyon
26:48.0
Tapos may isang ex-general, no?
26:50.0
Na bago siya nagsalita about withdrawal of support,
26:52.4
ay pinakita muna niya yung telephone number
26:54.6
kung saan pwede kang umorder ng
26:56.9
sugar-free chocolate.
26:59.4
Ang hirap simulan yung withdrawal of support
27:01.8
sa isang pagbibigtaan ng sugar-free chocolate, no?
27:07.9
mahirap mag-withdraw ng support
27:12.0
Na parang kapatid lang natin
27:13.4
na mga karaniwang mamamutang.
27:14.6
Ma'yan, civilians, no?
27:15.9
Correct, correct.
27:16.4
Usually, ang nag-withdraw ng support,
27:18.4
yung may hawak ng mga troops.
27:21.7
Yung may hawak ng chain of command.
27:23.2
Yung may hawak ng mga tanke.
27:26.2
nag-withdraw ng support.
27:28.1
At hindi lang sila nag-withdraw ng support,
27:30.1
nag-mobilize sila
27:31.3
to enforce the withdrawal of support.
27:35.8
itong withdrawal of support manifesto
27:39.9
kanino ililipat yung support.
27:43.3
kay Vice President
27:44.4
Sarah Duterte, no?
27:46.9
Na hanggang ngayon ay tahimik pa
27:48.2
simula na lumabas yung manifesto na yan.
27:50.3
At ikatlo, nakalagay sa
27:51.7
dun sa kanilang press release,
27:57.1
dito sa withdrawal.
27:59.6
Pero hindi nakalagay sino.
28:01.5
At sabi nila, marami pang pipirma.
28:04.1
Sabi nga nung general ay
28:05.9
marami pang mga ex-generals
28:09.7
Kaya, ito yung trigger
28:11.3
na pinag-uusapan natin ngayon.
28:13.0
Nag-catharize dito sa ating episode na ito.
28:15.7
Pero tignan natin kasi, Richard,
28:18.5
ang daming manifestos na lumalabas.
28:20.9
At hindi sila necessarily related sa isa't isa.
28:24.3
May manifesto tungkol sa
28:26.7
possible election fraud.
28:30.0
Ito yung nililid nila
28:32.6
Isa pang ex-general.
28:33.9
Isa pang ex-general.
28:35.2
Mahilig mag-manifesto ito, mga to.
28:37.0
Kaya nakafocus yan dun sa kwal eh.
28:43.0
At payagan ng Supreme Court
28:45.0
na ilabas yung mga lugs.
28:47.7
Doon nakafocus yan.
28:48.9
Para meron kang smoking gun
28:54.6
na may massive cheating.
28:55.8
So, ibang manifesto yan.
28:57.3
May manifesto naman
28:58.3
against corruption.
29:00.1
Yung led by Mayor Magalong.
29:02.6
Pero karamihan dyan, mga mayors.
29:05.0
Mga mayors yung nakapirma dyan.
29:06.4
At hindi rin ganong karami pa
29:08.1
yung pumipirma dyan.
29:09.8
Tapos, meron namang manifesto
29:13.0
Yung mga kabalyers.
29:23.0
Pero ang pumirma dyan
29:30.5
So, yung pumirma dyan
29:36.3
kung ano yung final na count.
29:37.9
Pero yun yung lumaba sa media.
29:40.5
hindi yun majority.
29:43.0
it's a small minority
29:44.2
nung mga kabalyers
29:47.8
May nakausap nga ako isa.
29:49.2
O, bakit ka pumirma?
29:51.8
Dahil yung asawa ni Badoy
29:54.4
So, nakakahiyaan naman
29:58.3
nakafocus sa isang
29:59.2
particular issue.
30:01.9
na lahat ng pumirma ron
30:04.2
sa withdrawal of support.
30:08.4
lumabas na manifesto.
30:10.5
mas comprehensive.
30:11.8
Ah, yun yata yung
30:18.8
I mean, hindi ko lang nabasa.
30:20.6
Medyo din-discuss namin
30:21.4
with some people.
30:23.1
Karamihan galing sa
30:27.0
PMA badge ni Esperon
30:28.5
na nalilink dito sa
30:30.6
withdrawal of support
30:34.5
Mga walo yata yung
30:36.7
Tapos, meron pang mga
30:45.5
Hindi ko sinasabi na
30:48.4
nitong grupo na ito.
30:49.9
Baka hinatak lang siya.
30:51.2
Baka hinatak lang siya.
30:53.1
kung tinitignan mo,
31:01.4
itong pinag-uusapan natin
31:05.8
libo-libo na pipirama
31:06.7
pero hindi pa natin
31:21.8
Lahat ng mamamayan
31:25.9
kay Vice President
31:31.3
yung withdrawal of support
31:32.2
hindi ina-announce yan
31:35.5
after the culmination
31:36.8
of a lot of things.
31:38.3
A lot of moving parts.
31:42.4
The cart before the horse.
31:43.8
They don't put the cart
31:45.9
Hindi nagsisimula
31:53.1
paglalabas ng statement
31:58.7
yata for a while.
32:06.4
or Ariel Carubin,
32:12.3
mga elite forces,
32:13.7
dahil marami naman
32:15.6
naghihintay yan eh.
32:17.7
Ayan ba yung magsasaksid?
32:28.2
yung makaka-stimulate,
32:33.6
dapat sila respetado.
32:37.3
katulad ng Ariel Carubin,
32:41.7
mga buhay na medalog
32:42.6
valor awardees eh.
32:44.2
katulad ni Daniel Im,
32:46.9
ng Scout Rangers.
32:55.1
Mahirap na mag-lead
32:56.2
ng withdrawal of support,
33:03.1
yung mga yan sa YouTube,
33:06.6
may laban sa views yan
33:09.6
dapat bumilit, ha?
33:11.7
Kunin mo yung number,
33:15.2
Kung maraming order,
33:22.0
tama yung sinabi mo,
33:23.6
maraming manifesto,
33:25.9
maraming mga hanash,
33:27.5
but could there be
33:28.4
a center of gravity
33:29.2
bringing all of these
33:31.4
Could there be a kind of a,
33:33.7
center of gravity?
33:35.4
essentially a rallying point
33:36.7
for all of different groups
33:38.2
Let's say one group is,
33:42.1
sa administration.
33:42.9
Yung isang group,
33:43.5
inis na sa hindi na inayos
33:44.8
yung mga PICOS machine,
33:47.4
dahil pro-Duterte,
33:48.4
nag-benefit nung time
33:52.3
convergence of forces,
33:54.4
Is that a possibility
33:56.4
or a distinct probability?
33:57.4
I think there is.
33:59.3
na nagdidikit-dikit
34:01.0
into a political narrative
34:03.1
in a political project.
34:05.0
Ang duda ko lang,
34:07.5
merong nagdidikit-dikit,
34:09.9
kung sasama lahat
34:11.3
yung mga manifesto signers
34:13.5
sa isang withdrawal
34:17.1
transfer of support
34:18.1
sa vice president,
34:20.2
mga constitutional
34:27.5
yung pag-connect-connect.
34:36.8
iba yung electoral fraud,
34:37.9
iba yung corruption,
34:44.8
ng press freedom,
34:48.4
DDS for good governance.
34:50.9
the taxpayers' money.
34:52.6
Medyo nag-delaw mode
35:01.2
pinangunahan mo na eh.
35:02.2
Sinimula mo kagad
35:03.0
withdrawal of support.
35:07.4
yung consolidated
35:09.2
yung consolidated
35:23.2
nagsimula sa dulo,
35:27.9
Reverse fairy tale.
35:45.5
Sa Pilipinas kasi,
35:54.4
Lalo na kung yung
36:14.1
Tutulak ng kabayo
36:15.9
Mas lalong mahirap
36:23.5
let's call it for,
36:33.6
sa destabilization.
36:37.3
organic profession.
36:38.5
Wala kong undergraduate
36:43.8
pinapanood ko lang
36:45.4
yung mga gumagawa niya.
36:46.8
mag-cheat-cheat ako.
36:49.2
Ayan na naman tayo.
36:52.5
Kung kakausapin mo
36:53.4
yung mga professional
36:55.4
yung mga professional
37:01.7
Dito sa withdrawal
37:02.3
ang support na ito.
37:05.4
natatawa sila eh.
37:09.1
Kina maliit nila.
37:11.4
Kina maliit nila.
37:12.8
Yung mga graduate na.
37:14.1
Hindi mo nababanggit eh
37:14.8
kung sino yung mga
37:16.0
Hindi ko nababanggit eh.
37:17.5
alam mo isang kausap mo.
37:18.6
Naka tatlong file ko na yata.
37:19.6
May masteral yun.
37:24.7
naka-participate yun
37:29.3
nakapag-participate
37:31.0
nag-iisang nagsakseed
37:32.1
ng withdrawal of support.
37:34.1
Huwag mong kalimutan na
37:36.2
ng buong chain of command
37:38.1
nag-withdraw ng support
37:40.6
Kahit yung kapatid
37:43.2
Miriam Defensor Santiago.
37:48.4
Mismo yung kapatid niya
37:49.4
nag-withdraw ng support.
37:53.4
Secretary of National Defense
37:59.7
Doon sa withdrawal of support.
38:01.2
mga loyalist ng ERAP
38:05.4
Parang checkmate na yun.
38:08.0
Oo, checkmate na yun.
38:08.8
Yun lang ang successful
38:10.9
total withdrawal of support.
38:13.5
Oo, yun yung pan.
38:17.3
it's not coup in a sense
38:20.7
kung saan si Enrilla
38:22.5
essentially number 2 and 3,
38:25.1
at nag-launch sila
38:28.7
nag-withdraw lang silang support.
38:31.0
Totally the ground,
38:32.9
na wala yung ground below.
38:36.1
speaking of destabilization,
38:40.0
bago maging New Year,
38:48.2
natamahan biglang
38:49.5
yung kasama natin
38:51.6
Ba't siya yung page yan?
38:57.2
Nakikibanat ka tuloy
38:58.3
nasama ka sa listahan.
39:00.1
Hindi ko sinasabi
39:05.2
and shoutout dyan
39:07.0
Please bring back
39:08.0
the page of our friend
39:11.1
Hindi po siya kasama
39:17.4
if you have heard about it,
39:18.4
but three or four,
39:19.6
hindi ko alam kung kasama
39:20.2
siya si Boljakan dyan.
39:24.5
probably it's a glitch
39:25.2
kasi mine also was gone
39:26.9
nung panahon yung digong.
39:29.1
but you never know, right?
39:31.2
nawala lahat ng mga yan.
39:32.2
Nadamay pa si Gamboa.
39:36.2
Yung number one naman
39:39.3
Pinapanood ko eh.
39:44.0
na Assassination Squad.
39:49.3
Pinablatter niya.
39:50.7
Blatter niya si First Lady.
39:53.0
ng mga badal siya.
39:55.8
Pinapakinggan mo siya
39:59.6
Sa Facebook pa to
40:01.8
Saan mo siya pinapanood?
40:04.1
Usually pareho naman yan eh.
40:08.4
yung kay Boljakan
40:11.2
Nini-re-share-re-share yan eh.
40:13.4
kung diretso sa kanya.
40:15.5
Nahuli ko yung mga
40:20.0
Pero pag-check ko
40:24.6
something like that.
40:25.3
Parang basta magulo.
40:27.0
I'll check it again.
40:30.5
yung iba sa kanya
40:31.5
they're not even worth it.
40:33.9
hindi ko sinasayang
40:36.4
but I don't think
40:37.3
they even matter.
40:38.5
nilalangaw lang iba
40:39.7
tsaka pinagtatawa na
40:43.3
gustong-gusto pa nga natin
40:44.4
netuwan-tuwa tayo
40:51.4
the BBM administration
40:53.9
on the side of caution
40:54.9
and try to essentially
40:56.1
you know what I'm saying?
41:01.0
something like that?
41:05.6
Nung tinanggal nila
41:06.3
si ex-president Arroyo
41:09.0
senior deputy speaker
41:13.1
was nip in the bud.
41:16.2
kung mininip in the bud
41:17.4
That was my point.
41:18.6
The nip in the bud
41:22.6
Mga developments na ito.
41:28.2
ang tatarget nila
41:40.4
ay malinaw na sa kanila
41:48.5
the president himself.
41:52.6
ang pinakamahalaga
41:58.6
yung political future.
41:59.4
The house of cards
42:00.9
Yeah, yun yun eh.
42:03.1
The ultimate clincher.
42:05.2
before we close this episode
42:07.2
ano naman na gagawin
42:10.7
I think are watching us
42:11.5
also to give advice
42:12.4
to the other side
42:13.1
whatever at least
42:15.8
we're both as hated
42:17.9
Minsan mas gusto nila ako
42:19.0
mas gusto ka nila
42:21.3
what is the nuclear option here
42:23.6
for the losing side?
42:25.0
Do they have the nuclear option
42:28.9
in the two episodes
42:31.5
yung options nila.
42:32.5
But do they still have
42:34.2
a nuclear option?
42:35.2
For the sake of argument
42:36.1
I think we're still
42:36.9
medyo primary test pa to
42:38.7
is there a nuclear option
42:40.0
without putting in trouble?
42:42.0
Hindi natin sinasabi
42:42.9
pero sinasabi natin.
42:45.4
the vice president
42:49.0
from the president.
42:51.3
biglang atakihin.
42:52.1
Wait lang wait lang
42:53.8
hindi ako ready doon ha.
42:57.3
Wait lang wait lang.
42:58.7
medyo hindi nuclear yun
43:12.2
Ano nilang sabi ko?
43:13.2
Hindi ko kilala to si Ronald.
43:15.9
may daming sinasabi
43:20.1
withdrawal of the support
43:22.6
Yung sinasabi ni Maharlika
43:31.8
Hindi pa ako laging kita eh.
43:33.7
na madaling gumawa
43:34.6
Inaayos ba yung AI?
43:37.5
ginagamit sa China.
43:38.7
Ito nung Richard Hildarian eh.
43:40.5
Na may ginagawang
43:44.8
hindi na kailangan.
43:50.1
deep fakes ngayon eh.
43:52.6
I have yet to see
43:56.4
na sabi ni Maharlika
43:59.7
ay kaibigan ng presidente.
44:02.7
hindi mo ma-prove
44:04.2
Bakit hindi mo pinapakinggan
44:05.2
Ako pinapakinggan ko eh.
44:09.0
na pinag-usapan niya
44:10.9
yung mga Hollywood friends niya
44:14.4
ako sa mga gano'n parts eh.
44:17.4
ang serious na isapan
44:22.5
Baka hindi na nilang
44:24.0
yung video na ngayon.
44:25.6
Nagagamitin nilang
44:31.8
Rewind mo may nasisira
44:33.1
yung vision ko eh.
44:34.5
Nakaka-relate ko.
44:35.1
Nakaka-relate ko.
44:35.7
going back to this.
44:40.4
yung train of thought ko eh.
44:42.5
May maganda ako eh
44:45.6
maraming double daw si ano
44:49.1
Hindi nga daw natin alam
44:50.3
baka hindi eto yung totoo
44:51.5
baka double nga to.
44:53.7
your heartbeat argument
44:55.2
kung maraming silang double.
44:57.9
I think we'll close it there
44:59.4
kasi mukhang delikat
45:00.3
yung conversation.
45:04.1
Baka sumabot ako lang pa rin.
45:06.5
I was thinking something about
45:08.5
some group in Manila
45:10.7
and making guluin
45:11.9
I was thinking along those lines
45:13.0
tapos ikaw biglang
45:14.3
heartbeat climax.
45:16.4
Parang wait lang na
45:17.3
this is too much.
45:18.5
This is too much.
45:19.2
Bago pa ang taon Ronald.
45:20.8
Let's leave it for later
45:22.8
Maraming salamat sir Ronald
45:23.7
yung next episode
45:24.6
naman pag-usapan natin
45:26.5
How are they doing?
45:28.6
What are the next moves?
45:29.6
isang last point lang.
45:33.1
Nuclear option ba ito?
45:34.1
Ito sa mga unfold
45:36.4
ng mga dynamics na ito
45:43.2
Nangyayari lahat ito
45:45.4
ng the great game.
45:47.0
The game of the superpup.
45:49.0
Yung sinusulat mo
45:50.2
lagi sa Inquirer.
45:51.8
Kaya nangyayari ito
45:54.2
pwedeng i-underestimate
45:55.6
yung magiging role
45:57.8
Dahil sa gitna tayo ngayon.
45:59.1
Literally nuclear powers.
46:01.2
Just to be clear.
46:01.7
This is a big game.
46:01.8
This is a big game.
46:03.2
let's go literal, right?
46:05.9
at the very minimum
46:07.7
they are planning
46:08.5
their intervention
46:11.1
they are planning
46:16.2
daladala yung kanilang agenda.
46:20.7
ng pinag-uusapan natin.
46:23.8
I would just add that
46:24.9
as far as one of these
46:25.9
superpowers concerned,
46:26.8
I know that they don't
46:33.0
medyo malakas yung
46:35.8
the race got very close
46:38.1
three, four months ago
46:39.0
when we talked about
46:39.5
Taiwan elections,
46:40.3
parang given na manalo
46:42.8
the race is closing.
46:49.3
ito yung kalaban nilang
46:51.8
bilog din ang mundo
46:53.6
But, I don't know.
46:54.6
I don't know if they
46:55.2
want to invest in losers
46:58.4
we cannot take things
47:00.1
But, you never know.
47:00.6
So, we'll close it on that.
47:01.9
Medyo yung nuclear option natin
47:03.0
na punta sa nuclear power.
47:04.3
So, apocalyptic na.
47:05.8
Let's just close it there.
47:06.8
Maaga po, Taiwan.
47:07.4
Be careful what you wish for.
47:09.2
What you ask, Ronaldo.
47:10.8
Be careful what you ask, Ronaldo.
47:12.3
Thank you very much, sir.
47:13.4
Maraming salamat.
47:14.8
And next episode,
47:15.9
medyo good vibes naman tayo.
47:17.5
grim masyadeng topic natin ngayon.
47:24.9
Ito na ang inabangan ng lahat.
47:26.1
Wait na, mag-jacket na rin ako.
47:28.5
Tanggalin ko na itong...
47:30.2
Kaya tumatawag eh.
47:31.8
Sige, sagutin mo muna.
47:33.2
Tanggalin ko muna yung crocodile ko.
47:40.4
Hindi ko pala ayos eh.
47:45.8
Maraming salamat, Joseph.
47:54.9
Ay, hindi pala matakpan yung crocodile ko.
48:03.1
Hindi pala natatanggal yung crocodile ko.
48:05.3
Masyadong malaki.
48:21.0
Malaki-laki yung crocodile.
48:23.0
Tapos natin yung crocodile.
48:33.1
Sir Ronald, in the previous episode, pinag-usapan natin yung
48:35.8
the great game, the nuclear powers, the nuclear option.
48:39.2
Huwag natin pag-usapan ulit yung ibang nuclear option na minimension mo.
48:42.4
But, you know, one of the things I found very interesting is,
48:45.5
I mean, for me, I don't know if you agree with me.
48:48.0
For me, I think Representative Franz Castro is kind of like the breakout star of 2023.
48:54.0
In a sense that now she's considered as one of the main voices out there.
48:57.3
So, kapon lang I was writing about itong latest,
49:00.2
West Philippine Sea, South China Sea, et cetera.
49:02.7
And one of the quotes that almost comes out, always comes out on West Philippine Sea,
49:06.8
And very interesting.
49:07.8
So, there's the usual, you know, we shouldn't rely on the U.S.
49:10.6
But Franz Castro, very strongly, sinabi niya essentially,
49:13.6
ilusyonado ang China, bully ang China.
49:15.8
Very strong statements.
49:16.6
And then, importantly, she said,
49:18.0
we have to work with like-minded countries.
49:20.4
So, that's quite a very interesting thing.
49:22.0
So, she's for multilateral, I don't know, cooperation.
49:25.2
And she didn't say like ASEAN lang.
49:26.7
So, maybe, in principle, she's okay working with Japan, with Europe.
49:30.2
Other countries na hindi lang U.S., diba?
49:32.1
So, I don't know.
49:33.1
Like, I think Franz Castro has really emerged as a very mature stateswoman.
49:37.4
Pinag-usapan natin in previous episode.
49:39.4
She was front and center dun sa Christmas party ng mga opposition people.
49:43.6
Parang andun na lahat, diba?
49:44.9
I mean, considering her background, diba?
49:46.8
She comes from the more left progressive side.
49:50.6
Na medyo malayo sa liberals, medyo malayo sa center.
49:53.9
But I think she has done a pretty good job last year, no?
49:56.1
Especially because one-on-one sila ni sat on multiple locations.
49:59.5
And, of course, walang lahat.
50:00.2
Haban yung isa kasi ito talaga may background in education.
50:03.5
But Franz Castro also took the fight to the Dutertes dun sa court case niya kay Digong.
50:08.3
And now, she's becoming also quite a prominent voice on a whole range of issues including West Philippine Sea.
50:14.1
Do you think, parang her political instincts are pretty interesting, no?
50:17.9
And then, may sinabi pa siya na mas sweet ang congressional leadership sa kanila ngayon.
50:22.5
I mean, like, you know, these are the things that you wouldn't expect progressives to admit, diba?
50:27.2
I'm not saying Machiavellian.
50:28.7
But I'm saying there's a degree of, I don't know, reasonable, astute pragmatism there from a progressive that it seems to be working, right?
50:37.0
I think she's becoming quite a...
50:38.7
I mean, definitely given Siriza Antiveros is one of the big players there from the real opposition.
50:44.1
Of course, malami mga fake opposition.
50:46.5
But speaking of the real opposition, I think Franz Castro is emerging as the other pillar here, diba?
50:51.6
With essentially Leila de Lima in the middle.
50:53.5
So, this looks like the triangle of iron ladies we're seeing.
50:57.2
But the Franz Castro one is very...
50:58.7
Very interesting, right?
50:59.4
I mean, what is your take on her?
51:00.9
For me, she's the breakout star of 2023, eh.
51:03.7
Well, maganda yun, no?
51:05.3
At lalo na, progressive si Congressman Franz Castro.
51:09.6
Pero nagahanap pa rin ako ng numbers, eh.
