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R&R: RETIRED GENERALS vs MARCOS?
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A special "R&R" Richard and Ronald Episode.
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00:00.0
All right, all right, everyone. In the previous episode, ito na, pinag-usapan natin na mukhang malapit na ma-checkmate yung isang kampo. This is not chess, this is a game of goals. Sabi mo, Chinese yung strategy ng admin. Slowly and slowly and circle ito.
00:16.9
At we were even raising questions about how much of a stronghold is the supposed stronghold of the other camp in the ex-Uni team. And all of this was, of course, based dun sa ex-analysis ni ex-human rights, I'm sorry, ex-presidential spokesman.
00:33.2
But in this episode, let's put on the hat of defense analyst. Because for me, you should always be prepared for the violent lashes of a fading beast.
00:46.5
Diba? Minsan pag-cornered yung isang kamp, that's where things gonna go crazy, right? So, you know, in the previous episode, we talked about the weaknesses. But, you know, you may be weak relatively to the past or to the other side, but you may still have the spoiler power.
01:01.0
So, speaking of spoiler power, of course, always one of the concerns is the potential for Cudeta. And then, recently, we saw, you know, some ex-generals withdrawing their support from the president. Although, I'm not sure, like, how can you withdraw something that's not there?
01:14.4
Kasi hindi naman kailangan yung mga, diba? Ang kailangan mong suporta yung nandun, diba? Yung mga servicemen na nandun.
01:20.8
First of all, let's talk about this. Before going to ano yung mga black swans or gray rhinos na pwede mangyari. So, let's make this episode the gray rhino slash black swan.
01:31.0
So, I think in the previous episode, we talked about the known knowns. Ito naman episode, ito mga potentially unknown unknowns, no? Or known unknowns, no?
01:39.4
So, pag-usapan natin naman itong dalawa na yan. So, ito talagang risk analysis na tayo. This is how we do it.
01:44.4
No? Ronald, first of all, let's take a crack at this ex-general. Ang dami ex, eh. Ang dami ex-generals withdrawing support. Like, what? I mean, who are these people?
01:55.2
Bakit? Kasi yung isa pinakinggan ko, ang dami niyang sinabi na, you need a strong president na on top of things and blah, blah, blah.
02:01.4
And then I said, wait lang, parang yun ang dapat sinabi natin three years ago, four years ago, five years ago. Kasi absent yung president natin nun, diba?
02:09.1
I mean, kumpala mo si BBM, yes, he travels and all, but you know, he's still, you know, he's kinda there, you know?
02:14.4
I'm not sure about the other one before. Ikaw, Ronald, what is your, first off the bat, ano yung hot take mo dito?
02:20.8
Well, una, yung nag-catalyze dito sa ating discussion, itong manifesto daw ng mga generals, no? Pero dalawang general lang yung humarap, no?
02:32.4
Ah, hindi, yung isa hindi general, yung isa ay captain, Captain Dado, no? Batch 83, kabatch ni National Security Advisor Anyo, no?
02:41.1
Yung Captain Dado na yan.
02:44.4
Tapos na naabot na posisyon ay kapitan. Tapos may isang ex-general, no, na bago siya nagsalita about withdrawal of support, ay pinakita muna niya yung telephone number kung saan pwede kang umorder ng sugar-free chocolate, no?
02:58.1
Ang hirap simulan yung withdrawal of support.
03:00.6
Sa mga seniors daw.
03:02.1
Sugar-free chocolate, no? Kaya una ay mahirap mag-withdraw ng support yung retired, na parang katulad lang natin na mga karaniwang mamamayan, civilians.
03:14.4
Usually, ang nag-withdraw ng support, yung may hawak ng mga troops, yung may hawak ng chain of command, yung may hawak ng mga tanke, no? Yan yung mga nag-withdraw ng support.
03:26.7
At hindi lang sila nag-withdraw ng support, nag-mobilize sila to enforce the withdrawal of support.
03:32.2
So, ikalawa, itong withdrawal of support manifesto ay nakalagay, kanino ililipat yung support? Ililipat nila kay Vice President Sara Duterte.
03:44.4
Na hanggang ngayon ay tahimik pa simula na lumabas yung manifesto na yan.
03:49.0
At ikatlo, nakalagay sa kanilang press release, meron ng 2,400 na pumirma dito sa withdrawal. Pero hindi nakalagay sino.
04:00.2
At sabi nila, marami pang pipirma. Sabi nga nung general ay marami pang mga ex-generals na pipirma.
04:08.2
Kaya ito yung trigger na pinag-uusapan natin ngayon, nag-catalyze dito sa ating episode na ito.
04:14.4
Pero tignan natin kasi, Richard, ang daming manifestos na lumalabas. At hindi sila necessarily related sa isa't isa.
04:22.6
May manifesto tungkol sa possible election fraud. Ito yung nililid nila Secretary Rio.
04:31.7
Sa pang-ex-general.
04:33.6
Pero nakafocus yan dun sa kwal eh. Para ilabas ng Comelec at payagan ng Supreme Court,
04:43.7
na ilabas yung mga logs. Doon nakafocus yan. Para meron kang smoking gun or none at all.
04:51.3
Para ipakita o hindi ipakita na may massive cheating. So ibang manifesto yan.
04:56.1
May manifesto naman against corruption. Yung led by Mayor Magalong. Pero karamihan dyan mga mayors.
05:03.3
Mga mayors yung nakapirma dyan. At hindi rin ganong karami pa yung pumipirma dyan.
05:08.2
Tapos meron namang manifesto yung kilabadoy. Yung mga kabalyers.
05:13.7
Yung alumni association na gustong palayain si Labadoy at si Caselli.
05:21.3
Pero ang pumipirma dyan siguro mga 15%. Dahil mga 1,400 yata yung alumni sa PMA na mga buhay pa.
05:29.0
So yung pumipirma dyan ay mga 160, 170. I'm not sure kung ano yung final na count.
05:36.5
Pero yun yung lumabas sa media. So even then, hindi yun majority.
05:40.3
It's a small minority.
05:43.3
Nung mga kabalyers o yung mga PMA alumni. May nakausap nga ako isa.
05:47.9
O bakit ka pumirma? Ang sabi niya. Hindi eh. Dahil yung asawa ni Badoy PMA-er din eh.
05:53.1
So nakakahiya naman na hindi mag-sympathy. Pero yun, nakafocus sa isang particular issue.
05:59.4
Hindi automatic na lahat ng pumirma ron ay pipirma rito sa withdrawal of support. Who knows?
06:05.8
Tapos meron din isang lumabas na manifesto. Ito naman yung mas comprehensive.
06:10.0
Diba? Yung yata yung nabasa mo.
06:13.3
Merong mga ex-generals, mga 24.
06:17.0
Yeah.
06:18.2
Pero nga, no?
06:18.9
Hindi ko nabasa. Medyo diniscuss naman.
06:20.5
At karamihan, galing sa BAT 73, BAT 74. Yung BATs ni, PMA BATs ni Esperon.
06:27.7
Na nalilink dito sa withdrawal of support na ito.
06:32.3
Tinignan ko eh. Mga 8 yata yung BAT 74. Tapos meron pang mga 6 o 5 na BAT 73.
06:38.8
So ito yung medyo identified.
06:43.3
Hindi ko sinasabi na si Esperon yung nagpapatakbo nitong grupo na ito.
06:48.8
Pakahina-attack lang siya.
06:50.6
Pero kung tinignan mo, yung kagad yung nahalata ko, mga BAT 74 at BAT 73.
06:56.7
Na very crucial yung influence ni Esperon.
06:59.4
At ngayon, itong pinag-uusapan natin.
07:01.7
Na meron daw 2,400 at meron pang libo-libo na pipirma.
07:05.5
Pero hindi pa natin nakikita ano yung laman.
07:07.7
At yung nagiging talking head, itong si Captain Dado.
07:11.8
No?
07:12.1
Na...
07:13.3
Nilinaw niya na mag-withdraw ng support.
07:16.7
At dapat lahat ng mamamayan mag-withdraw ng support.
07:19.9
No?
07:20.5
Lahat ng mamamayan mag-withdraw ng support.
07:23.4
At ilipat kay Vice President Sara Duterte yung support na yan.
07:29.4
Usually, yung withdrawal of support, hindi ina-announce yan eh sa simula.
07:33.1
Usually, ginagawa yan after the culmination of a lot of things eh.
07:37.2
A lot of moving parts eh.
07:39.3
Meron ka ng tanks sa kalsada.
07:41.4
The cart before the horse.
07:42.8
So you don't move.
07:43.3
So, hindi na nagsisimula ng isang uprising, insurrection, destabilization,
07:51.3
ng paglalabas ng statement ng isang ex-captain na naging negosyante yata for a while.
07:58.6
So, kailangan mo ng mga tipong mga Danny Lim, head ng Scout Rangers,
08:04.9
or Ariel Carubin ng Marines.
08:08.6
O kaya, yung mga elite forces.
08:12.3
Dahil marami naman sa military, naghihintay yan eh.
08:16.1
Ayan ba, yung magsasaksid, magkakaroon ba ng bandwagon, magkakaroon ba ng groundswell of support.
08:23.2
Karamihan dyan, naghihintay.
08:24.8
Kaya dapat yung mauuna dyan, yung makaka-stimulate, makaka-trigger, makaka-harness ng support.
08:31.8
Ibig sabihin, dapat sila respetado.
08:34.1
Diba?
08:34.6
Dapat sila ay, katulad ng Ariel Carubin, ay medal of valor.
08:39.1
No?
08:39.8
Pakunti lang yung mga buhay ng medal of valor awardees eh.
08:42.3
Or katulad ni Danny Lim, West Pointer, na naging head ng Scout Rangers.
08:46.8
Medyo, oh, may, may, medyo may pasas.
08:50.4
May respeto, may canes.
08:52.3
May canes.
08:53.8
Mahirap na mag-lead ng withdrawal of support, mga unknown.
08:57.5
Mga unknown na ex-captain, no?
08:59.3
Captain pa.
09:00.3
Diba?
09:00.5
Walang gano'n, mataas ang views nila sa YouTube.
09:03.5
Mga ex-general na nagbebenta.
09:05.1
Alam mo, Ronald, may laban sa views nila ng YouTube.
09:08.1
Eto.
09:08.6
Diba?
09:08.8
Diba?
09:10.2
Kunin mo yung number, tapos bumili ka.
09:12.3
Order ka, nung nga, pan.
09:13.9
Okay.
09:14.1
Maraming o-order.
09:15.6
Alam mo, Ronald, senior din yan.
09:17.5
Okay.
09:17.8
Ganyan ito, ganyan ito, Ronald.
09:19.4
Do you think, in theory, tama yung sinabi mo, maraming manifesto, maraming grupo, maraming mga hanash.
09:26.5
But could there be a center of gravity bringing all of these folks together?
09:30.4
Could there be a kind of a, you know, center of gravity?
09:34.1
Yeah, essentially a rallying point for all of different groups coming together.
09:36.8
I think there is.
09:37.3
Let's say one group is, in sa corruption, may inis na rin sa administration.
09:42.3
One group, inis na sa hindi na inayos yung mga Picos machine, sasali na yun.
09:45.7
Isang group, dahil pro-Duterte, nag-benefit nung time ni Digong.
09:49.5
So, diba, that's the, you know, convergence of forces, literally.
09:53.3
Is that a possibility?
09:55.7
I think there is.
09:56.9
May lynchpin na nagdidikit-dikit ng mga ito into a political narrative and a political project.
10:03.6
Ang duda ko lang, itong kahit merong nagdidikit-dikit, kung sasama lahat yan, yung mga manifesto signers na yan,
10:12.0
sa isang withdrawal of support, at sa isang transfer of support sa vice president,
10:18.2
na meron namang mga constitutional instruments na ginagamit para gawin yan.
10:23.6
Kaya duda ako na magsasakseed yung pag-connect-connect.
10:27.8
Hindi lamang dahil diverse yung mga issues na nandyan, kahit meron ilang mga commonalities na pwede mong idikit.
10:34.3
Pero talagang iba yung electoral fraud, iba yung corruption, iba yung press freedom,
10:42.0
I believe ka ba na ang simbolo ng press freedom, SMNI, press freedom.
10:45.8
Pag-iibig sa ano, meron silang DDS for good governance.
10:49.4
They care for the taxpayers' money.
10:51.7
Edyo nagdilaumawd na sila.
10:53.7
Yeah.
10:54.2
Oo.
10:54.7
Kaya duda ako kung ito ay mawiwiwib.
10:59.4
Lalo na pinangunahan mo na eh.
11:01.0
Sinimula mo ka agad withdrawal of support.
11:03.5
Baka lumayo yung mga ilirecruit mo.
11:05.1
Usually kasi you consolidate a group.
11:08.0
You consolidate a group of like-minded.
11:12.0
Active officers into a framework, a strategy, an analysis.
11:19.2
And then you move forward.
11:21.2
Ito parang nagsimula sa dulo tapos moving backwards.
11:26.3
Ganoon yung nangyayari dito.
11:26.9
Reverse fairytale.
11:29.6
Nauna yung sabi mo mga kalina, big R.
11:32.7
Nauna yung karitela sa kabayo.
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Sa iyong kabayo, exactly.
11:36.7
Wait lang, wala pa yung kabayo pare.
11:38.8
Relax ka lang.
11:39.8
Hindi ko alam kung maitutulak ng kabayo.
11:42.0
Hindi ko sure.
11:44.1
Sa Pilipinas kasi maraming mga posible.
11:47.9
Pero kahit dito kasi,
11:49.0
you never know.
11:50.4
Kung maitutulak ng kabayo yung karitela.
11:53.1
Lalo na kung yung karitela,
11:55.0
ang gulong ay kudrado, hindi bilog.
11:57.2
Ang hirap itulak ng karitela.
12:00.4
Nasubok mo yun?
12:01.5
Nasubok mo magtulak ng karitela?
12:03.5
Hindi naman.
12:04.6
Jeep nilang.
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Hindi lang dinulak namin yung jeepney dito sa backseat.
12:08.5
So una, ang hirap na mauna,
12:12.0
karitela sa kabayo,
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tutulak ng kabayo, karitela.
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Mas lalong mahirap
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kung yung gulong ng karitela
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ay kudrado or square.
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Kaya...
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So eto, okay, let's call it for...
12:23.2
So this is amateur hour fireworks, right?
12:25.9
This is essentially amateur hour.
12:27.4
Medyo, medyo, medyo.
12:28.4
Pero baka kasi,
12:29.8
wala kasi akong doctorate sa destabilization eh.
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So hindi mo kailangan organic.
12:36.5
Wala pong panyan eh.
12:37.4
Wala akong undergraduate lang ako dyan eh.
12:39.8
Wala akong sinasabi.
12:40.4
Wala akong sinasabi.
12:42.0
Wala akong sinasabi eh, pero...
12:42.7
Gilid-gilid, no?
12:43.4
Pinapanood ko lang yung mga gumagawa niya.
12:45.2
Minsan ay mag-chit-chir ako, no?
12:48.1
Pagpapalapak, no?
12:49.7
Pero talaga, mga kwalit,
12:51.1
kung kakausapin mo yung mga professional pooflatters,
12:53.9
yung mga professional stabilizers,
12:58.9
baka matawa sila dito eh.
13:00.4
Dito sa withdrawal ng support na ito.
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Actually, kinausap ko yung a few eh,
13:04.0
pero natatawa sila eh.
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Yung a few na nakatatwa dalawa lang.
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Medyo tinatabi nila.
13:09.2
Pinamaliit nila.
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Pinamaliit nila itong project.
13:11.8
Yung mga graduate na...
13:12.9
Ano ko nababanggit eh?
13:13.6
Kasi hindi mga nakausap ko.
13:14.7
Ano ko nababanggit eh?
13:15.7
Pero yung mga nakausap ko,
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medyo may masteral yun.
13:19.6
May masteral, may doctorate, no?
13:22.1
Meron yung...
13:23.4
Nakapag-participate yun
13:25.5
dun sa mga near-mises.
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At yung iba, nakapag-participate
13:29.0
dun sa nag-iisang nagsakseed
13:30.8
ng withdrawal of support,
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yung ka-ERAP.
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Huwag mong kalimutan na,
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lahat ng buong chain of command
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nag-withdraw ng support ka-ERAP.
13:39.2
Kahit yung kapatid ni
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Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago,
13:45.5
si Miriam kasi naka-ERAP nun.
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Mismo yung kapatid niya
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nag-withdraw ng support.
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Dahil sama-sama na eh.
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Mismo yung Secretary of National Defense,
13:54.2
si Orly Mercado, sumama.
13:57.6
Diba?
13:58.4
Doon sa withdrawal of support.
13:59.3
Mismo yung mga loyalist na-ERAP,
14:01.4
katulad nung panahon,
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si CPNP Pinglakson.
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Parang checkmate din.
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Yun lang ang successful na
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total...
14:11.0
withdrawal of support.
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O, yun yung pan.
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Kaya, hindi ko alam bakit...
14:14.7
Kaya hindi coup.
14:15.8
I mean, it's not coup in a sense na
14:17.8
hindi katulad nang nangyari
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kay Marcos Sr.
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kung saan si Enrile at Ramos,
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essentially number 2 and 3,
14:23.1
ay nag-sumama at nag-launch sila
14:25.0
ng violent bid for power.
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Here, nag-withdraw lang silang support.
14:29.0
Game over.
14:29.8
Diba?
14:30.0
Totally the ground...
14:31.0
You know, the...
14:32.5
Walang-walang yung ground below.
14:34.1
Diba?
14:34.6
Now, speaking of destabilization,
14:37.6
marami nagsasabi na biglang
14:39.0
bago maging new...
14:41.0
new year,
14:41.5
nawala yung mga accounts
14:44.0
ng mga ilan,
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mga major bloggers.
14:46.8
Ba't yung natamahan biglang
14:48.5
yung kasama natin si Mark Gamboa,
14:50.6
ba't siya yung page yan,
14:51.6
nawala?
14:51.9
Sabi ko,
14:52.5
bakit ka kasi
14:53.5
nagiging friends dun sa iba?
14:56.3
Nakikibanat ka tuloy,
14:57.4
nasama ka sa listahan.
14:59.1
Hindi ko sinasabi na may listahan,
15:01.3
pero baka naman,
15:02.1
mayroon sa kaangin.
15:03.5
Tutulungan natin,
15:04.4
shout-out dyan sa Meta,
15:06.0
please bring back the page
15:07.6
of our friend Mark Gamboa.
15:10.1
Hindi po siya kasama.
15:10.8
Hindi po siya kasama.
15:11.0
Sa mga major bloggers.
15:14.6
I mean,
15:16.0
I don't know if you've heard about it,
15:17.4
but three or four,
15:18.6
hindi ko alam kung kasama mo siya
15:19.4
at si Boljakan dyan.
15:21.0
Nawalan daw sila ng Facebook,
15:22.4
nagreklamo sila.
15:23.3
I don't know,
15:23.5
probably it's a glitch.
15:24.3
Kasi mine also was gone for two months
15:25.9
nung panahon ni Digong.
15:27.5
Glitch daw,
15:28.1
but you never know, right?
15:29.4
Kasi sabay-sabay
15:30.2
nawala lahat ng mga yan.
15:31.2
Nadamoy po si Gamboa,
15:32.5
kawawa naman.
15:34.8
Yung number one naman,
15:36.1
hindi nawawala.
15:36.8
Si Maharlika,
15:37.5
tuloy-tuloy,
15:38.1
pinapanood ko eh.
15:39.4
Kasi Boljakan,
15:40.2
may pinadala daw
15:42.8
na assassination squad
15:44.1
si First Lady
15:45.5
sa US.
15:47.0
Para terasya.
15:48.2
Pinablatter niya.
15:49.5
Pinablatter niya si First Lady.
15:51.0
Tapos in between
15:51.8
ng mga banat siya,
15:52.7
puro mura.
15:54.5
Pinapakinggan ko siya.
15:55.7
Hindi naman siya natanggal.
15:58.4
Eh kung merong tatanggal eh.
15:59.2
Na Facebook ba to?
16:00.0
Or YouTube?
16:00.8
Saan mo siya pinapanood?
16:01.7
Pareho yata.
16:02.6
Pareho yata siya.
16:04.5
Usually pareho naman yan eh.
16:06.6
Pero alam ko,
16:07.5
yung kay Boljakan,
16:09.3
inaano yan eh.
16:10.2
Nini-re-share,
16:11.0
re-share yan eh.
16:11.8
So I'm not sure kung
16:12.5
diretso sa kanya.
16:14.6
Nahuli ko yung mga ibang
16:15.6
kilala ko dito sa bahay
16:16.7
na biglang naman
16:17.4
ng Boljak TV.
16:18.9
Pero pag-check ko,
16:19.9
parang sinishare ng iba.
16:21.7
Parang Boljakan,
16:22.8
paibanatan,
16:23.7
something like that.
16:24.2
Parang basta magulo.
16:25.3
I don't know.
16:26.0
I'll check it again.
16:27.0
Kasi parating nawawalan.
16:28.4
Ako naman,
16:29.1
for me,
16:30.0
yung iba sa kanya,
16:30.6
they're not even worth it.
16:32.0
I mean,
16:33.2
hindi ko sinasayang
16:33.9
may attempt to.
16:35.7
But I don't think
16:36.3
they even matter.
16:37.3
I think ninalangaw lang
16:38.5
yung iba.
16:38.7
Tsaka pinagtatawa na nalang
16:40.1
yung iba.
16:41.5
Itong isa,
16:42.4
gustong-gusto pa nga natin.
16:43.5
Tuan-tuan tayo
16:44.3
sa mga kanyang interventions.
16:46.3
But do you think that
16:48.1
there could be a possibility
16:50.0
na the BBM administration,
16:52.4
they will err on the side
16:53.4
of caution
16:53.9
and try to essentially,
16:55.3
you know what I'm saying?
16:56.1
Leave no room for maneuver.
16:57.9
Parang ganun.
16:59.4
Sabi nga ni
17:00.2
Speaker Martin Romaldes,
17:03.6
nung tinanggal nila
17:05.1
si ex-President Arroyo
17:07.1
as Deputy Senior
17:08.7
Deputy Speaker,
17:09.7
sabi niya,
17:10.9
a coup attempt
17:11.9
was nip in the bud.
17:13.4
So hindi ako magugulat
17:14.9
kung ini-nip in the bud nila.
17:15.7
Nip in the bud.
17:16.4
That was my point.
17:17.5
The nip in the bud approach.
17:19.4
Figurista eh.
17:20.4
Figurista.
17:21.3
Mga developments na ito.
17:24.2
Kaya,
17:26.0
lalo na ngayon
17:26.6
na ang katargetin nila
17:28.1
in the next few weeks
17:30.3
or months
17:31.2
ay si BBM na mismo.
17:33.8
Dahil ang judgment
17:35.9
na pinapaliwalag
17:38.4
ni Harry Roque
17:39.1
ay malinaw na sa kanila
17:40.9
na ang magpapapasok ng ICC
17:42.7
which is a very defining moment.
17:45.6
I see no less than
17:47.2
the President himself.
17:48.5
Diba?
17:49.3
Kaya,
17:49.8
eh,
17:50.5
sa lahat ng ito,
17:51.3
ang pinakamahalaga
17:52.1
yung ICC eh.
17:53.8
Dahil talagang
17:54.8
masisira
17:56.7
o mawawala
17:57.3
yung political future.
17:58.1
The house of cards
17:59.0
will come down.
17:59.8
Yeah, you knew it.
18:00.6
That will be the clincher talaga.
18:02.1
The ultimate clincher.
18:03.3
But Ronald,
18:04.2
before we close this episode
18:05.7
and go to
18:06.1
ano naman nagagawin
18:06.8
ng opposition
18:07.2
which, of course,
18:07.9
people watch us
18:08.6
not just to,
18:09.2
I mean,
18:09.4
people I think are watching us
18:10.4
also to give advice
18:11.3
to the other side,
18:12.0
whatever,
18:12.3
or at least one of us.
18:14.0
I'm not sure we're both
18:15.1
as hated,
18:15.9
the same level.
18:16.8
Minsan mas gusto nila ako,
18:18.0
mas gusto ka nila.
18:18.9
But anyway,
18:19.8
no, I mean,
18:20.6
what is the nuclear option here
18:22.5
for the losing side?
18:23.8
Do they have the nuclear option
18:25.3
just in case?
18:26.2
Like,
18:26.9
so what we did
18:27.8
in the two episodes
18:28.6
is to show how limited
18:29.9
actually yung options nila,
18:31.3
diba?
18:31.7
But do they still have
18:32.7
some sort of a nuclear option?
18:34.2
For the sake of argument,
18:35.1
I think we're still
18:35.8
medyo primary.
18:37.3
Pero,
18:37.9
is there a nuclear option
18:38.9
without putting in trouble?
18:40.9
Hindi natin sinasabi,
18:41.9
pero sinasabi natin.
18:43.5
Well, una,
18:44.3
the vice president,
18:45.6
laging silang sabi,
18:46.8
a heartbeat away
18:47.7
from the president.
18:49.5
Kung halimbawa,
18:50.1
biglang atakihin sa...
18:51.0
Wait lang, wait lang,
18:51.7
wait lang,
18:52.1
medyo...
18:53.9
At tinatapong ako
18:55.0
yung nuclear option,
18:55.9
so sinasabi natin.
18:57.4
Wow,
18:57.8
medyo hindi nuclear yun,
18:59.1
medyo apokaliptik yan.
19:01.6
Short of,
19:02.7
you know,
19:03.2
short of...
19:04.8
Hindi,
19:05.1
halimbawa,
19:05.7
ma-aksidente,
19:06.8
or halimbawa,
19:07.7
atakihin.
19:07.9
Atakihin sa puso,
19:08.8
no,
19:09.0
yun na sinasabi ko.
19:09.7
Sabi ko naman.
19:10.6
Wow.
19:11.0
Yun na sinasabi ko, no?
19:12.2
Hindi ko kilala to si Ronald.
19:13.5
Si Maharlika,
19:14.8
may daming sinasabi ni Maharlika,
19:17.1
na sinakyan din
19:18.2
itong mga withdrawal
19:19.2
of the support
19:20.1
na Captain Dado.
19:21.6
Yung sinasabi ni Maharlika
19:22.8
na merong video
19:24.1
na gumagawit
19:25.5
ng pulburo
19:26.2
ng presidente,
19:27.5
no?
19:27.7
Pero,
19:29.0
inahanap ko yung video,
19:30.4
wala pa akong nakikita,
19:31.5
eh.
19:31.8
Lalo na ngayon,
19:32.5
na madaling gumawa
19:33.4
ng mga...
19:33.6
Inaayos pa yung AI.
19:35.1
May AI pa silang ginagamit
19:37.1
sa diyan.
19:37.1
Ito yung Richard Hintarian,
19:38.7
eh, no?
19:39.6
Na may ginagawang masama, eh.
19:41.0
Pero alam ko...
19:41.6
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
19:43.3
Ikaw nga,
19:43.7
di na kailangan.
19:45.3
Di na kailangan.
19:46.7
Ikaw ba na-send ito?
19:48.0
Kaya maraming
19:48.8
deepfakes ngayon, eh,
19:49.9
di ba?
19:50.5
Pero,
19:50.9
ayun nga,
19:51.7
I have yet to see
19:53.3
itong sinasabing video na ito
19:55.1
na sabi ni Maharlika,
19:56.7
ang kumuha
19:57.4
at ang may hawak
19:58.4
ay kaibigan ng presidente.
20:00.6
Ito yung mga...
20:01.8
Hindi mo pinapakinggan
20:03.2
si Maharlika,
20:03.9
ako pinapakinggan ko, eh.
20:05.7
Ako kasi rin,
20:06.3
dumidiretso ako
20:07.4
doon sa part
20:07.9
na pinag-usapan niya
20:08.8
yung Chanel niya,
20:10.2
yung mga hot friends niya.
20:11.9
Mas,
20:12.0
mas entusiasmado ako
20:13.6
sa mga gano'n parts.
20:15.1
Sorry, ha.
20:15.9
Like, yung mga
20:16.4
as serious na isapan.
20:17.8
Pero baka naman,
20:18.7
yung Chanel,
20:19.6
baka naman,
20:20.7
bibenta naman.
20:21.2
Baka yun na kanilang
20:21.9
nuclear option,
20:22.9
yung video na ngayon, no?
20:24.7
Na gagamitin nilang
20:25.6
climax, no?
20:27.4
Pero...
20:27.8
Parang video,
20:29.0
climax,
20:29.6
and then, okay,
20:30.0
may nasisira yung vision.
20:33.1
Nakaka-relate ka ba?
20:33.9
Nakaka-relate ka ba?
20:35.0
Going back to the...
20:36.8
So,
20:37.9
nasira tuloy
20:39.3
yung train of thought ko.
20:41.4
May maganda ako
20:42.5
itatanong.
20:43.3
Hindi, di ba?
20:43.9
Malayman ko maraming
20:44.9
double daw siya, no?
20:46.2
Parang sa dam,
20:47.0
maraming double.
20:48.0
Hindi nga daw natin alam,
20:49.3
baka hindi ito yung totoo,
20:50.5
baka double nga ito.
20:51.6
So,
20:52.2
I'm not sure your heartbeat
20:53.1
argument would work
20:54.1
kung maraming silang double.
20:56.3
Okay, so,
20:57.2
I think we'll close it there
20:58.3
kasi mga delikat
20:59.1
yung conversation.
21:01.0
Huwag ko magtatanong
21:01.9
ng nuclear option.
21:02.8
Baka sumagot ako ng panay.
21:04.1
Nuclear option.
21:05.3
I was thinking
21:06.1
something about,
21:07.1
I don't know,
21:07.5
some blooper patila
21:08.6
coming out
21:09.6
and making guluin.
21:10.6
I was thinking along those lines
21:11.9
kasi ikabiglang,
21:12.8
wait lang,
21:13.4
heartbeat climax.
21:15.4
Parang wait lang na,
21:16.5
this is too much.
21:17.5
This is too much.
21:18.1
Bago pa ang taon, Ronald.
21:19.7
Let's leave it for later this year.
21:21.7
Maraming salamat, sir Ronald.
21:22.7
Yung next episode naman
21:23.7
pag-usapan natin
21:24.4
ang opposition.
21:25.5
How are they doing?
21:26.8
Kamusta?
21:27.5
What are the next...
21:28.0
Baka,
21:28.4
isang last point lang,
21:30.4
Big Art, no?
21:32.2
Nuclear option.
21:33.6
Dito sa mga
21:34.3
unfold ng mga dynamics na ito,
21:36.1
ay the big game,
21:38.8
the great game, no?
21:40.6
Yeah.
21:41.9
Nangyayari lahat ito
21:43.1
sa gitna ng the great game,
21:45.7
the game of the superpowers.
21:47.1
China.
21:47.7
Yung sinusulat mo lagi
21:49.3
sa Inquirer, no?
21:50.4
Kaya nangyayari ito
21:52.0
at hindi natin pwedeng
21:53.3
i-underestimate
21:54.7
yung magiging
21:55.2
role ng superpowers.
21:56.5
Dahil sa gitna tayo ngayon, eh.
21:58.0
Literally nuclear powers.
22:00.0
Just to be clear.
22:00.5
This is a nuclear power.
22:01.7
I mean,
22:02.1
let's go literal, right?
22:03.2
So, yeah.
22:03.9
I'm sure
22:04.6
the very most
22:06.1
minimum,
22:06.6
they are planning
22:07.2
their intervention,
22:09.4
no?
22:09.7
Or,
22:10.5
they are planning
22:12.2
their support
22:12.8
to whoever
22:13.6
na tingin nila
22:14.6
ay daladala
22:16.1
yung kanilang agenda.
22:17.4
Kaya,
22:18.0
tingin ko,
22:18.8
this is half
22:19.4
ng pinag-uusapan natin.
22:21.7
Yeah.
22:22.4
Although,
22:22.8
I would just add that,
22:23.9
as far as one of these
22:24.8
superpowers is concerned,
22:25.7
I know that they don't
22:26.5
bet on losers, right?
22:28.3
Matalino din
22:28.9
mag-invest
22:29.5
ng mga yan, di ba?
22:30.4
So,
22:31.0
in Taiwan,
22:31.9
medyo malakas yung
22:32.8
party nila.
22:34.4
Actually,
22:34.7
the race got very close, ha?
22:35.9
Recently, ha?
22:36.5
I remember,
22:37.2
three, four months ago,
22:38.0
when we talked about
22:38.5
Taiwan elections,
22:39.2
parang given na manalo
22:40.2
yung silay, di ba?
22:41.5
Now, the race is closing.
22:42.9
So, may laban.
22:43.6
Itong, alam mo na,
22:44.6
pro-China.
22:45.8
Ironically,
22:46.3
commentang to, di ba?
22:47.8
Ironically,
22:48.2
ito yung kalaban nilang
22:49.0
civil war, but, you know,
22:50.8
ilog din ang mundo
22:51.6
pala sa Taiwan.
22:52.5
But, I don't know.
22:53.5
I don't know if they
22:54.1
want to invest in losers
22:55.3
in other places.
22:56.5
So, you know,
22:57.4
we cannot take things
22:58.5
for granted.
22:59.0
But, you never know.
22:59.7
We'll close it on that.
23:00.7
Medyo yung nuclear option natin
23:02.0
na punta sa nuclear power.
23:03.2
So, apokaliptik na.
23:04.9
Let's close it there.
23:05.8
Maaga pang tawag.
23:06.3
Be careful what you wish for, ha?
23:08.3
What you ask, Ronaldo.
23:09.9
Be careful what you ask, Ronaldo.
23:11.5
Thank you very much, sir.
23:12.5
Maraming salamat.
23:13.5
God bless.
23:14.0
And next episode,
23:15.0
medyo good vibes naman tayo.
23:16.3
Medyo na dream masyadong
23:17.9
topic natin ngayon.
23:19.6
Yes, yes, yes.
23:21.0
Okay, okay.
23:22.0
Okay.