00:45.1
Very strong statements. And then, importantly, she said, we have to work with like-minded countries.
00:49.7
So, that's quite a very interesting thing, no?
00:51.4
So, she's for multilateral, I don't know, cooperation.
00:54.3
And she didn't say like ASEAN lang.
00:56.1
So, maybe, in principle, she's okay working with Japan, with Europe.
00:59.6
Other countries na, hindi lang U.S., di ba?
01:01.3
So, I don't know, like, I think Franz Castro has really emerged as a very mature stateswoman.
01:06.7
Pinag-usapan natin in previous episode.
01:08.7
She was front and center dun sa Christmas party ng mga opposition people.
01:12.9
Parang, andun na lahat, di ba?
01:14.2
I mean, considering her background, di ba?
01:16.0
She comes from the more left, progressive side na medyo malayo sa liberals, medyo malayo sa center.
01:23.0
But I think she has done a pretty good job last year, no?
01:25.4
Especially because one-on-one sila ni Sara on multiple occasion.
01:28.7
And, of course, walang laban yung isa kasi ito talaga may background in education.
01:32.7
But Franz Castro also took the fight to the Dutertes dun sa court case niya kay Digong.
01:37.5
And now, she's becoming also quite a prominent voice on a whole range of issues including West Philippine Sea.
01:43.3
Do you think, parang her political instincts are pretty interesting, no?
01:47.1
And then, may sinabi pa siya na mas sweet ang congressional leadership sa kanila ngayon.
01:51.7
I mean, Eric, like, you know, these are the things that you wouldn't expect progressives to have.
01:55.4
I'm not saying Machiavellian, but I'm saying there's a degree of, I don't know, reasonable, astute pragmatism there from a progressive that it seems to be working, right?
02:06.3
I think she's becoming quite a, I mean, definitely given Syriza Antiveros is one of the big players there from the real opposition.
02:13.4
Of course, maraming mga fake opposition, but speaking of the real opposition, I think Franz Castro is emerging as the other pillar here, di ba?
02:20.9
With, essentially, Leila de Lima in the middle.
02:22.7
So, this looks like the triangle of iron.
02:25.4
Ladies, we're seeing.
02:26.7
But, Franz Castro is very interesting, right?
02:28.7
I mean, what is your take on her?
02:30.2
For me, she's the breakout star of 2023, eh.
02:32.8
Well, maganda yun, no?
02:34.4
At lalo na, progressive si Congressman Franz Castro.
02:38.7
Pero, nagahanap pa rin ako ng numbers, eh.
02:42.0
Wala pang, hindi pa siya dumalabas sa mga surveys, no?
02:44.8
Nagahanap pa ako para medyo scientific naman yung magiging nature ng kanyang political scaling up, no?
02:55.4
So, una, yung grupo naman niya ay, bagamat medyo identified sa kaliwa, no?
03:04.0
Ay, nagiging pragmatic din naman sila, eh.
03:06.8
Limbawa, nung tumakbo si Grace for president, sinuportahan nila si Grace, Grace po, at kasama nila sa slate, si Bongbong Marcos.
03:17.1
So, willing sila mag-share ng...
03:25.4
ng entablado with Bongbong at that time, no?
03:29.0
That was 2016, no?
03:34.0
So, yun yung isa.
03:35.9
At ikalawa, bahagi nila ay sumama kay Duterte for two years, diba?
03:41.6
Sumama sa cabinet, tatlo, at mga ibang mga undersecretaries.
03:45.0
At for two years, na very intense na rin yung extrajudicial killings, ay nanatili sila sa Duterte government.
03:52.9
So, pag sinabing mong pragmatisin,
03:54.8
tingin ko hindi naman sa kanila far-fetched na maging pragmatic, no?
04:00.7
Tapos ay, ngayon, mismo si Congressman Franz Castro ang nagsabi na medyo sweet sila ngayon with Speaker Martin Romaldes.
04:11.3
Kita naman yung kanilang role, eh.
04:13.2
Sila yung naging attack dog, eh.
04:15.1
Kaya, sara, before publicly umatake si Speaker Martin, no?
04:20.0
Sila yung naglabas ng mga data about the...
04:24.3
Confidential at saka Intelligence Fund.
04:26.8
Hindi ko alam kung saan nila nakuha.
04:28.2
Somebody must have given it to them, no?
04:32.3
Hindi ko sinasabi.
04:33.7
Baka ito yung katulad ng mga expose ng SMN9.
04:36.5
May nag-text daw na dalawang anonymous.
04:40.0
So, alam naman natin na sila ay nasa minority at sila ay minority within the minority.
04:46.7
Pero nakakuha sila ng mga ebidensya na very compelling, no?
04:51.3
Kaya, from the start naman na nangyayari ito,
04:54.3
ay nakikita ko na yung mga dotted lines, no?
04:56.7
Nakikita na natin.
04:57.9
We weren't born yesterday, eh, no?
04:59.5
So, nakikita mo na.
05:01.0
Na ang tingin ko naman ay generally positive, no?
05:03.8
Dahil kailangan naman talaga ma-expose, eh,
05:06.6
itong mga Intelligence Confidential Fund na ito, no?
05:09.5
Kaya, positive na nagkakaroon ng bagong dynamism, bagong energy,
05:16.7
itong progressive movement from different angles.
05:21.0
From the group of Congresswoman,
05:23.8
and Franz Castro,
05:25.0
from the group of Risa Onteveros,
05:27.1
at everything in between, no?
05:29.5
At yung picture nga na nakita natin, no?
05:32.1
Sabi, ang paliwanag nila,
05:33.5
it was just a Christmas party
05:35.1
na inorganized ng presidente ng Liberal Party, si Edsel Agman.
05:39.5
Pero, alam naman natin that Christmas parties are Christmas parties, no?
05:43.9
There are Christmas parties and there are other kinds of parties.
05:47.0
There are parties that invited tayo, there are parties na hindi tayo invited.
05:50.5
Hindi tayo invitado.
05:53.8
So, tingin ko, habang naguhuntahan tayo rito,
05:58.5
different forces are talking.
06:00.9
Whether yung kanilang pag-uusap ay magkakaroon ng isang political project
06:07.4
or political narrative remains to be seen.
06:10.0
Pero, I'm sure na meron mga nag-uusap.
06:12.7
May mga nag-uusap about a big tent, may nag-uusap about a smaller tent,
06:16.6
may mga nag-uusap ng unification ng isang broader political spectrum.
06:23.6
yung price dito ay who can harness the pink wave na hindi insignificant.
06:28.5
Who can harness that voluntarism?
06:31.9
Who can harness that idealism na hindi pa naman nawawala, it's still there kahit natalo.
06:40.2
So, tingin ko yan yung pinag-uusapan nila na price dito.
06:44.4
At para sila yung talagang maging fiscalizer, sila yung maging principled opposition rather than the Dutertes.
06:53.6
Kaya, a lot of people are talking about this.
06:59.0
Hindi ko pa sigurado paano ito mag-unfold or if the talks will succeed.
07:05.8
But it's happening.
07:07.4
At mukhang yung mga intentions naman are very good.
07:12.5
The intentions are very noble.
07:14.6
Pero, alam naman natin na hindi necessarily yung mga noble aspirations na yan
07:22.2
ay nakakaroon ng...
07:24.9
Let's hope na meron.
07:28.4
Well, I mean, I completely agree with you na let's not jump ahead of ourselves in the sense that, of course,
07:33.9
we have to yet see whether itong mga progressives can break out in terms of electoral appeal,
07:41.2
especially for national position.
07:42.5
I mean, Riza Antiveros is so far the only progressive, although not in the same essentially vein,
07:49.4
but only progressive has made it to that national level in that sense.
07:52.3
And in fact, last year was the only maker.
07:53.6
So, I completely agree with you.
07:57.7
In fact, ang point ko naman is, short of that, I think France Castro has done everything right now.
08:03.3
Considering where she started, she had to do with red tagging, all sorts of different talks from her,
08:07.8
from very powerful camps.
08:09.6
Given all the structural limitations and disadvantages that she had, I think she did pretty good.
08:14.1
And also in terms of her comfort level with dealing with media,
08:17.0
pansin mo, nagiging more comfortable na siya sa media, palabiro na siya.
08:20.7
You know, so parang...
08:23.6
So, I think she's doing everything right.
08:26.8
But you're absolutely right.
08:27.7
When it comes to electoral power, ibang usapan yan.
08:31.2
And actually, kakalabas itong survey ng OCTA naman.
08:36.8
Hindi naman ito yung kay Malu, pero...
08:39.6
So, si Erwin Tulfo na naman ng number one.
08:42.6
But interestingly, actually, number two is now Bongo.
08:45.1
Ang taas ni Bongo dito.
08:47.1
Tied with Tito Soto, so that's quite similar.
08:49.3
Batoy is still also there.
08:50.7
Amy Marcos is there.
08:53.6
Survey is kind of a music to the ears of the pro-Duterte camp kind of people.
08:57.7
Pati si Tolentino nakapasok dito, although he has not been doing others.
09:01.0
Isko rin nakapasok sa top ten.
09:02.8
Lacson is kind of there.
09:03.9
So, if you look at it, Pacquiao is not doing very well.
09:06.5
And then Binay and Lapid, Lito Lapid, mahirapan sila dito.
09:10.1
And it looks like the others are kind of outside.
09:12.3
So, Lenny is like number 17 or something like that.
09:15.2
So, it looks like if you look at at least some of the surveys,
09:20.0
it's a long way to go for the opposition before...
09:23.6
There's a survey on Pulse Asia, pero commission siya eh.
09:27.3
Kaya hindi siya for public consumption.
09:30.3
I saw a glimpse of it eh, yung Pulse Asia.
09:35.6
So, like the glimpse of it, how is it different from, let's say, Okta or, I don't know, ano yung kay Malu?
09:43.0
Makakaiba itong survey.
09:43.8
So, kaya layo pa.
09:44.8
Pero, Erwin, you're consistently number one, di ba?
09:47.5
Yung publicus, makakaiba.
09:50.0
Si Duterte ang number one, no?
09:51.8
Yung itong Okta, iba.
09:55.5
Halimbawa, merong dalawa sa opposition na nakasama dun sa Pulse, no?
10:01.7
Pero, ito kasi ay snapshots in time eh, di ba?
10:06.6
I'm sorry, number 13 pala si Lenny dito, not 17.
10:09.3
At ngayon, wala pang nagpapagilala eh.
10:12.1
Kung pa ito eh, hindi ko naman sinasabing inaccurate, no?
10:16.4
Pero, iba pa ito eh.
10:17.5
Ibang iba ito dun sa pag meron na nagsabi, oh tatakbo ko.
10:21.3
Iba na yung magiging complexion.
10:23.6
Ito ay mga mas top of mind pa lang eh.
10:26.6
Kaya, tignan natin.
10:30.3
Ako, mas nag-reply ako sa tatlong survey firms.
10:35.7
WSN, saka yung kay Juni Lailo.
10:37.7
Pero si Juni kasi, ambasador na lang eh.
10:41.2
Yan kasi, dami nilang tanong eh.
10:42.7
Nakita ko yung mga survey na yan.
10:43.9
Very detailed siya.
10:45.7
Makakapal siya eh.
10:46.6
Kaya, mas may tiwala ako.
10:51.8
Can you give us tidbits?
10:53.6
Doon sa nakita mong Pulse Asia, I mean, I can ask for my own copy.
10:56.2
But, how is it more encouraging for opposition, if I can put it?
10:59.4
Kasi dito sa Octa 1, number 13 si Lenny, barely 13 din si Kiko, barely 13 din si Rojas.
11:07.4
So, anyone you can think about, BAM is like 14, 18, something like that.
11:12.4
So, medyo well outside there.
11:13.7
Alam mo ba, sa Pulse, pasok si BAM.
11:17.6
And of course, I'll go for Pulse Asia anytime over, you know, some others, right?
11:23.6
Medyo mahirap eh, na maglabas ng judgment dito eh, no?
11:30.4
Sa mga surveys na ito.
11:32.7
At ang mahalaga dyan, sino yung magmamarka?
11:36.0
Tingin ko, magsisimula na mag-scale up yung mga kandidato na yan eh.
11:40.2
Kaya, meron na akong lakit ang survey na, ang taas ni Doc Willie Ong eh.
11:46.7
Yeah, hindi doon sa iba, ang sobrang layo.
11:49.5
But, the consistent one is Erwin Tulfo.
11:52.2
He's at least number two.
11:54.0
That's the one thing.
11:55.3
Pero, may mga survey na wala talaga, malayo si Francis Tolentino.
11:59.2
Dito nga sa sinabi mo sa Opta, pasok si Francis Tolentino.
12:02.4
So, pag titignan mo, maganda na ipaskill sa isang pader yung lahat ng survey.
12:09.1
At tignan natin yung mga differences.
12:11.0
Mukhang for now, medyo malaki yung differences eh.
12:13.8
Mali, di ba siguro sa a few people like Erwin Tulfo, no?
12:20.9
Yun yung mga, paano?
12:23.4
most of the time, malayo eh.
12:29.2
So, moving forward, what are the things that we want to see?
12:32.1
Pero, interesting yung tinanggit mo, Richard, ha?
12:35.1
Interesting yung sinabi mo sa position, halimbawa, ni Congressman Franz Castro about China.
12:39.7
Nung nabumanat siya.
12:40.5
Kasi, minsan yung grupo niya half-hearted eh.
12:44.0
Dahil ang main focus pa rin nila is the US, no?
12:46.9
At ngayon, sabi mo nga, mismo si Franz Castro ay nag-open sa possibility of getting, of linking up
12:53.1
with other countries, no?
12:55.2
Ako nga, nabalitaan ko na yung head ng KMU, no?
12:58.8
Si Bong Labog, ay nasa US.
13:03.1
Nakapasok sa Washington.
13:04.9
Nakapunta sa West Wing, no?
13:06.7
Dahil yung mga trade unions dito,
13:08.6
May clearance na.
13:10.0
May security clearance.
13:11.7
Yung mga trade unions dito, yung broad coalition ng mga trade unions, no?
13:17.6
Nagsama-sama sila, pumunta sila ron.
13:23.7
National Security Council, ng Labor Department, inawardan yung mga trade unions dito.
13:27.3
At kasama doon, yung head ng KMU.
13:29.5
Hindi ko ma-imagine yan, ah...
13:32.8
And a realignment.
13:34.5
That's the unit team.
13:36.5
That's the unit team.
13:37.6
That's the real new unit team.
13:42.1
Nakapasok sa West Wing.
13:45.1
Nakita ko yung mga pictures nila.
13:48.2
Nakapushan sa mga Facebook nila, no?
13:51.5
Yung sinasabi mo si Franz Castro, naisip ko kagad si...
13:54.8
Yung head ng KMU.
13:56.1
Na just last week, ay nasa...
13:58.0
Nasa Washington, no?
13:59.5
Inawardan ng, ah...
14:01.6
National Security Advisor, no?
14:05.4
Minister of Labor, Minister of Trade, no?
14:07.7
Mga high-ranking, no?
14:08.9
Hindi yung, ah...
14:10.1
Hindi kasing high-ranking, no?
14:12.9
Ikaw kasi, kasing kabunggu ang siko mo.
14:15.5
Sila Kissinger, no?
14:18.3
Zoom-zoom lang kami.
14:23.5
Mga prime minister, mga presidents, eh.
14:26.0
Malayo pa rin sila sa'yo.
14:28.5
Hindi naman ako competitive, Ronald.
14:30.3
Hindi naman tayo competitive.
14:32.4
Basta ma-invite lang tayo sa next Christmas party.
14:36.7
Basta ma-invite lang tayo.
14:37.8
Hindi to, simple and progressive, ha?
14:41.6
Hindi, mukhang iimbitahin ko na, ha?
14:43.2
Nirequest ko na, no?
14:47.8
Head ng ilusang mayung uno.
14:51.5
Hindi to nakatago.
14:53.4
That's a very good point.
14:54.4
Lumabas ito sa newspaper.
14:56.1
That's a very good point.
14:57.1
Kaya, hindi ako magugulat sa statement ni Franz Castro.
15:00.7
Lahat naman nagbabago ngayon, eh.
15:02.8
Imagine mo na ang nag-offer ng peace process
15:07.6
ay si Bongbong Marcos.
15:09.6
At in-offer kaila Halandoni
15:11.6
at saka sa widow ni Joma Sison, si Julie Sison, no?
15:16.3
Medyo malayo pa yan.
15:17.6
Pero, at least yung gesture.
15:19.7
Ang signature ay very significant, no?
15:23.0
A Marcos offering, ang sabi nga ni Vice President Sara Duterte,
15:28.3
a deal with the devil, no?
15:30.4
Can you imagine that, no?
15:33.8
A few years back, anong ma-imagine yun?
15:35.8
So, things are changing.
15:38.5
Ang sabi ko, Ronald, it takes Duterte to unify everyone, right?
15:42.2
Like, it took someone like Duterte na sa daming mga never Duterte,
15:46.6
like weirdest people are coming together.
15:49.5
I have found myself in conversations like,
15:52.1
why are we even talking to each other?
15:54.1
Bakit ka namin inbita?
15:55.6
Like, aminin natin, ayon natin maging province of China.
15:59.3
That's the reason why we're here.
16:00.5
Like, sabagay, diba? Sabagay.
16:02.4
So, yeah, magpasalamat tayo kay Tatay Digong.
16:04.9
He has been the greatest source of unity,
16:06.9
except for himself, for himself, right?
16:08.9
Thank you so much, Sir Ronald.
16:10.6
I know medyo gabi na, medyo pagod ka na.
16:12.2
You still have a lot to take care of.
16:13.6
Hopefully, in the coming day, well, weeks or days, whatever,
16:16.8
over Zoom, we can arrange for something.
16:18.8
But, in the meantime, maraming salamat.
16:20.4
Happy New Year, Sir Ronald. Maraming salamat.
16:22.0
Thank you very much.
16:22.5
Happy New Year, big R, no?
16:23.8
Regards sa inyong buhaya, no?
16:26.7
Pag may naanap ako, mas malaki pang buhaya dito.
16:29.1
Ang ganyan, malalaman na sa iyo.
16:30.9
Dinosaur level na.
16:34.0
Thank you very much, Sir.
16:36.9
Adios, adios. Good luck, good luck.
16:38.7
Hasta pronto, amigo.
