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R&R: WILL DUTERTE-MARCOS GO TO WAR!???
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00:00.7
Okay, bonjour, bonjour! Kamusta everyone?
00:04.1
Kumusiavan for joining us today.
00:06.4
Kasama natin si Ronaldo, Ronaldo Llamas.
00:11.2
Bonjour, monsieur, monsieur Llamas.
00:13.9
From Paris, de France.
00:17.8
Kamusta naman dyan, sir?
00:19.7
Wait lang, parang nilaglak yata kita.
00:22.0
Secret my location, mga sorry about that.
00:25.6
Kamusta naman dyan, boss?
00:26.9
Okay na, okay na.
00:28.0
Okay na, okay na.
00:28.7
Kamusta?
00:29.0
Okay na, okay na.
00:31.2
Tapos na, wag nga natin pag-usapan.
00:33.4
Baka sabihin nila, iba yung ginagawa mo sa Paris.
00:36.4
Alam mo naman yung reputation ng Paris.
00:38.7
Medyo, baka alay nila may aran tayo dyan, mga extracurricular.
00:43.5
Hindi naman.
00:44.1
Okay, sir Ronald, eto na, eto na.
00:45.7
Yung minamahal natin ng mga politiko.
00:49.5
Okay, eto na.
00:50.4
So, Ronald, balikan natin yung discussion natin last year.
00:53.0
Remember before New Year, yung nag-prognosticate.
00:59.1
Sabi ko, if it were up to BBM, he'll try to still kind of, you know, say, okay naman tayo, pwede na yan.
01:07.0
Diba, being conflict avoidant and all.
01:08.9
And sabi ko, baka naman over the holidays, magkakaroon ng, I don't know, soul searching and all.
01:18.2
Does this latest, whatever you want to call it, CISFAR, non-aggression pact, I don't know, armistice, whatever you want to call it.
01:26.0
Don't you think na siguro si Digong medyo nag-gets din yan?
01:29.0
Na wala siyang leverage or mahina siya comparatively or perhaps he should recalibrate yung fight niya kay BBM
01:36.9
and perhaps on the part of BBM, perhaps he's much more comfortable, diba, na slow burn lang until midterms
01:43.2
and then go na for cha-cha, which is what we're going to discuss later on.
01:46.4
I mean, what is your read on this semi-CISFAR armistice na nangyari between Digong and BBM?
01:53.0
Well, partly siguro, ay tingin ni Digong.
01:55.9
Ay nauubos yung kanyang political base.
01:59.0
Political machinery.
02:00.5
Dahil halos wala nang natin sa PDP laban.
02:04.1
Partly, baka nakita rin niya na yung attempt to agitate the military
02:11.8
and link up the different crumblings into a political project
02:15.9
ay parang hindi masyadong umaabante.
02:21.0
At ikatlo, yung writing on the wall, yung ICC, is no longer just a writing.
02:27.5
Mukhang sabi nga,
02:29.0
ni former spokesperson niya, Harry Roque,
02:33.3
eh mukhang pumasok na rito.
02:37.2
Pumasok na at seryoso yung approval ng presidente doon sa ICC.
02:44.2
Kaya yung Christmas at New Year, yun ang nag-dominate.
02:49.6
Yung mga podcast ng idol mo, si Harry.
02:52.4
Meron yung tatlong podcast na very controversial.
02:56.3
Practically, ang sinasabi nila, hindi na si speaker mo.
02:59.0
Ang dahilan dito sa ICC.
03:01.7
No less than the president.
03:03.8
At panghuli, ingat sila kung papadampot nila si Digong sa ICC,
03:11.5
baka magkagulo.
03:13.0
Baka magkagulo.
03:15.2
So, yan yung mga nag-dominate sa podcast niya.
03:18.6
Kaya, hindi ko na-imagine si Digong na being circumspect.
03:25.9
Pero, yung tatlong elements na yan,
03:29.0
naubos na yung kanyang political base,
03:31.2
mukhang hindi naman nareceive ng maayos
03:34.9
at nag-fail naman siya na ilink up yung mga grumblings within the military
03:41.0
maliban doon sa isang crackpot na Captain Dado
03:44.1
na nag-announce ng withdrawal of support
03:47.0
at transfer ng support kaya Sarah Duterte.
03:50.5
At ikatlo, yung nakaramdam na siya ng kanyang mortality
03:56.5
na hindi nalang ito mga maneuvers.
03:58.0
Hindi nalang ito writing on the wall.
04:00.7
Kung hindi isang real threat sa kanyang hindi lang political future
04:06.5
kung hindi sa kanyang physical survival.
04:10.6
Kaya, siguro, isa yun sa dahilan kung bakit nag-send siya ng killers.
04:16.3
Ang sabi kasi niya,
04:18.3
I don't want to confront the President.
04:23.0
I want to send a message.
04:26.6
Di ba?
04:26.9
Indirectly.
04:28.5
Yun ang word of the day.
04:29.9
Indirectly.
04:33.8
Tingin ko, lately, nito mga nakarang araw,
04:37.7
bagamal sinabi ng Presidente ni President Bombo Marcos
04:41.7
na willing siya makipag-usap kay ex-President Duterte,
04:45.6
mukhang hindi naman nag-scale down yung mga atake.
04:50.2
Nag-scale up pa eh.
04:52.0
Kung nabasa mo yung atake ni Pulong Duterte.
04:55.6
No?
04:56.9
Kung nakita mo yung mga vloggers na pro-Digong,
05:03.0
katulad nila Maharlika,
05:04.8
nagpatuloy naman yung atake.
05:07.2
At ikatlo, may mga lumabas na mga video
05:09.7
ni Vice President Sara,
05:13.3
mga pictures ni Digong,
05:15.1
na parang hindi naman ganun ka-bail
05:19.1
o hindi naman ganun ka-indirect
05:20.8
yung banat dun sa pulburon.
05:23.2
So, yan yung ikalawang word of the day.
05:25.6
Pulburon.
05:26.9
No?
05:28.2
Pulvoronik.
05:29.6
Pulvoronik.
05:30.3
Ito yung term ni Maharlika.
05:31.7
Chinecheck ko yung video nila.
05:33.1
Oo.
05:33.5
Natin mula ni Maharlika.
05:35.1
Ronald, Ronald.
05:36.6
Oo.
05:37.1
Boss Ronald Llamas.
05:38.5
Just for the purpose of some of our audience
05:40.5
who may not be as avid watchers and fans of Buljak TV
05:44.9
or ano.
05:46.4
Ano itong pulburon na yan?
05:48.2
Kasi alam kong pulburon,
05:49.3
ito yung biskwit yata, di ba?
05:50.6
Yung lumangsal pulburon.
05:52.2
Pero alam ko,
05:53.6
yung sinasabing pulburon ni Maharlika
05:56.2
ay medyo ibang.
05:56.9
Ibang pulburon yan.
05:57.8
Ano bang,
05:58.7
is this like an OG kind of term for a certain deal?
06:05.1
Ano itong pulburon na ito?
06:06.3
Matagal pa yung ganitong explanation.
06:07.6
Yan yung tawag ni Maharlika sa cocaine.
06:11.0
Na ang kanyang charge ay gumagamit ang presidente.
06:14.9
At hindi lang yun,
06:16.1
meron daw video
06:17.0
na kinuha yung isang close friend ng presidente
06:21.0
or former close friend.
06:23.0
No?
06:24.8
Habang gumagamit,
06:26.9
nagumagamit ng pulburon.
06:28.9
Hindi, hindi.
06:30.5
Hindi, Bicron dinigas ang pangalan.
06:32.6
Nagumagamit ng pulburon.
06:34.7
Although,
06:35.5
ang sabi ng ex-president Digong
06:38.6
noong kanyang press conference
06:39.9
a few days ago,
06:41.4
ang sabi niya ay
06:42.3
hindi siya naniniwala roon.
06:44.7
Tingin niya, walang basihan yun.
06:46.8
Magaman,
06:47.9
yung mga tao niya
06:49.9
at saka siya na rin
06:51.5
at saka yung kanyang alam
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ay ginagamit na yung pulburon.
06:55.6
Yung motif.
06:57.6
Yun na yung ginagamit nila.
06:59.5
Na parang hindi naman
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hindi naman
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hindi naman
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nakatago.
07:06.4
Parang diretsyo na.
07:07.8
Parang diretsyo na yung banat.
07:10.2
Are you referring to the picture of Digong
07:12.8
eating the biscuit pulburon
07:14.6
na marang asar lang yung mukha niya?
07:16.6
Yun ba yun?
07:17.4
Is that what you're referring to?
07:19.4
At saka yung video ni Sara.
07:21.9
Hindi ko alam yun.
07:23.1
May video rin si Sara.
07:24.2
May video siya na.
07:25.6
Ang pulburon, no?
07:26.9
Oh my gosh.
07:28.3
So even Sara pala nakisali na.
07:30.5
So very consistent yung pulburon narrative.
07:33.8
Mula kay Mahalika,
07:35.6
kay Vice President Sara,
07:37.1
at saka kay President Duterte.
07:39.5
So hindi nag-scale down.
07:41.8
Mukhang nabasa nila
07:44.1
na mukhang hindi naman
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kinok-call ng Presidente
07:47.4
yung kanilang mga overtures,
07:49.1
yung kanilang mga feelers,
07:50.7
yung kanilang
07:51.3
indirectly
07:54.1
na
07:54.7
yung
07:55.6
pinapaabot, no?
07:57.7
At saka yung sinasabi ni Digong na
07:59.7
I am comfortable
08:01.4
with the President, no?
08:03.1
Mukhang yung comfort na yun
08:06.2
ay natabunan na
08:08.4
ng pulburon
08:09.0
ng mga pulburon ads nila, no?
08:12.0
Pero di ba sabi ni
08:13.8
well, not BBM himself, but his
08:15.8
press secretary said something like
08:17.7
you know, bukas ang bahay ko
08:19.6
any moment you can drop by and we can have a conversation.
08:22.3
Di ba may mga BBM
08:24.1
nice or
08:25.6
mean, gentleman, may mga ganun?
08:27.3
Di ba yun ang signal enough na we don't need to
08:29.5
escalate this? I mean, what was the context
08:31.7
of that? Kasi si BBM, sorry, si
08:33.4
Duterte medyo nagpapalambing
08:36.0
in his Digong way.
08:37.6
BBM naman ay gentleman, suabe.
08:40.1
Problema, sir. Pwede ka pumunta sa akin
08:41.8
anytime we can have a conversation.
08:43.8
Just like yung after pagbisit niya na
08:45.7
sa Beijing, di ba? Ang dami na inis
08:47.6
sa ProMarcos na kilala ko. Ito naman,
08:49.3
tumatandang to. Pinapayad
08:51.7
si BBM. Pero si BBM relax lang.
08:54.0
We welcome niya sa
08:54.9
Malacanang, nag-meeting sila, picture-picture,
08:58.0
everything look nice.
08:59.5
What's going on there?
09:01.5
Well, yung mga public na yan,
09:03.4
mga public display of affection,
09:05.7
yung lagi mong ginagawa.
09:07.7
Di ba? Marami kang PDA.
09:09.4
Marami nakakakita sa'yo with the PDAs.
09:12.1
Hindi ko na lang sabihin kung sino yung
09:13.5
kasama mo.
09:15.6
Hindi ko na lang sabihin kung sino yung
09:17.6
mga kasama mo na na-chichismis ka.
09:20.1
Aba, aba, aba!
09:22.0
Wait lang.
09:23.2
Wait lang.
09:24.9
Yung mga PDA na yan,
09:27.5
ay sa intensity
09:30.4
ng politika sa Pilipinas,
09:33.0
medyo baliwala na yan eh.
09:36.3
Sabi mo nga,
09:37.2
ginagawa na naman yan in the past.
09:38.8
Pero wala namang nare-resolve.
09:40.9
Di ba? Hindi naman
09:42.0
nakakaroon ng detente.
09:44.0
Hindi naman nakakaroon ng detente.
09:45.5
Nag-escalate pa nga. Nagiging open warfare na.
09:48.0
Tawag ko po, civil war.
09:50.6
So, tingin ko,
09:52.0
too much water under the bridge.
09:53.6
Kaya, may hihirapan na.
09:56.7
May hihirapan na.
09:57.7
Kahit may mga ganyang overtures.
09:59.6
At saka, meron naman silang mga tao
10:01.3
sa both camps eh.
10:02.8
Meron naman mga tahimik na kumakausap.
10:06.2
Tingin ko,
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yung mga kumakausap, wala rin silang mapulot
10:09.8
na paglalambing
10:11.4
from both sides.
10:12.9
Baka nakikita nila na talagang
10:15.3
the lines are drawn.
10:17.5
And certain lines have been crossed.
10:19.4
And certain lines have been crossed.
10:21.3
Kaya ako na,
10:22.2
may hirapan.
10:23.6
May hirapan na.
10:24.4
Kahit may presscon,
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kahit may overtures,
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kahit may indirectly gusto makausap,
10:31.1
gusto ipaabot.
10:32.3
Kahit merong comfortable statements.
10:35.5
Mukhang yung mga nangyayari.
10:37.9
Paano may namonitor ko ninyo
10:39.0
kanina mga vloggers eh?
10:40.7
Tsaka yung mga troll farms eh.
10:42.0
Mukhang nga.
10:43.5
Hindi naman obvious.
10:44.5
Hindi naman obvious.
10:45.2
Mukhang hindi naman naging scaled down eh.
10:48.4
Lalo na sa context
10:49.6
nitong political project.
10:51.6
Itong political project.
10:52.6
Hindi lamang,
10:53.6
hindi speaker,
10:54.3
kundi mukhang may blessing na ng malakanya
10:56.5
itong people's initiative.
10:59.2
So lalong nadagdagan yung
11:01.5
yung fuel
11:02.9
sa apoy
11:05.2
nitong people's initiative na ito.
11:08.8
So I cannot see na
11:10.6
ito ay nag-a-scale down.
11:14.4
Kahit yung isang political analyst
11:16.2
galing sa aking alma mater
11:17.6
ay sinasabi sa ABS-CBN
11:20.4
na
11:21.4
kung pa naman,
11:23.6
hindi pa naman na
11:25.5
nadidibay.
11:26.2
Parang ilalim yan ah.
11:27.6
Hindi pa naman daw nadidibay yung
11:29.1
UNITEAM
11:29.8
at may symbiotic relationship
11:32.2
yung presidente
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tsaka vice president.
11:34.3
Biological analysis.
11:36.6
Sabi ko,
11:37.0
saan naman sako ng basura
11:38.8
sa kinta market
11:39.8
pinulot yung ganong klase
11:41.0
mga analysis?
11:44.6
School looking nice to the bosses.
11:48.1
Or baka nag-a-apply ng trabaho.
11:50.5
Anong mukhang kakatanggalan niya eh?
11:52.5
As you said.
11:52.9
Ay, nakakaya medyo.
11:53.6
Medyo back in the market pala.
11:56.0
Alam natin yan.
11:57.0
May kilala din ako sa alma mater ko ngayon
11:59.1
na dati eh.
12:00.6
Campaign manager
12:01.4
and then biglang nagkaroon ng show
12:03.0
sa isang channel.
12:03.8
Next thing you know,
12:04.3
puro lang siyang praise
12:06.0
sa dating presidente.
12:07.6
Alam ko, parang
12:08.2
nag-a-apply ng trabaho ito.
12:10.8
Oo nga, oo nga.
12:11.9
Parang maraming ganun eh.
12:12.8
Para alam mo, kilala mo yun.
12:15.0
Ito yung maraming sinasabi
12:16.4
pero never nag-publish ng anything ah.
12:19.0
Academic pa ito.
12:19.8
Pa PhD, PhD pa ito.
12:21.1
Pero walang na-publish ever
12:22.3
pag na-Google Scholar namin.
12:23.6
Alos zero.
12:24.6
But anyway,
12:25.3
mamaya na tayo mag-aanap.
12:26.2
Wala akong PhD.
12:27.8
Baka isipin mo pa
12:28.9
na kailangan ko mag-produce ng one.
12:31.2
Ikaw, Ronald.
12:32.3
Ikaw ay Socrates.
12:35.3
Kung baga, di ba?
12:36.2
You don't need to write it down.
12:37.3
There'll be always a clip.
12:38.8
Write down what you want.
12:39.9
Ikaw ay Socrates.
12:41.2
Wala akong kahit anong diploma eh.
12:45.5
Ikaw ano ka?
12:46.6
Or OG?
12:47.6
OG ang diploma mo.
12:49.6
Wala akong Heclair.
12:51.1
I'm just a Heclair on the side.
12:52.4
This is what I like about Ronald.
12:53.6
But hindi ka pretentious.
12:55.1
Ang dami mga pretentious na pa-professor.
12:58.0
Wala naman na-publish.
12:59.7
Tapos inis na-inis sila
13:01.0
pag sinupoint out mo yung nonsense.
13:02.8
Tapos inis na-inis sila
13:03.6
pag hindi sila yung hinanap
13:05.4
ng international media
13:06.5
or yung mga matataas na journal
13:09.4
kung saan medyo nagpa-publish tayo
13:11.0
ng konti.
13:12.0
Anyway,
13:12.6
balikan natin.
13:13.5
Mamaya tayo mag-bardagulan
13:15.4
sa next na yan sa chat.
13:17.3
Balikan natin ito, Ronald.
13:19.7
Huwag na natin pag-usapan
13:20.9
yung mga ibang not worth discussing.
13:22.8
No.
13:23.6
Kasi alam ko maraming nakikinig sa atin.
13:26.4
So,
13:27.4
ingat lang tayo.
13:28.4
Ito, Ronald.
13:30.4
Ako kasi,
13:30.9
ang pushback ko sa iya ganito,
13:32.5
I would say,
13:35.1
for all the
13:36.1
sabognes ni Tatay,
13:39.7
I think he's shrewd enough to realize
13:41.5
when he's hitting a certain threshold.
13:43.6
You know, I noticed that in his six years,
13:45.4
pag alam niya hindi niya pwede pilitin
13:47.7
yung pro-China position niya,
13:49.1
biglang magre-recalibrate siya.
13:50.9
Pag alam niya medyo sumobra-sobra
13:52.6
yung mga EJKs,
13:53.5
ganun,
13:53.6
magre-recalibrate siya.
13:54.8
We saw that after Keanu de los Santos,
13:56.3
we saw after yung incident during pandemic.
14:00.4
So, I agree with you
14:02.1
that he's not as sharp as coherent as he should be,
14:04.6
but I think he's still shrewd enough to realize
14:06.3
he's hitting a wall.
14:07.8
Diba?
14:08.5
Eto na,
14:09.0
nakikita na talaga niya
14:09.9
yung limits of power niya.
14:11.5
I think there's also this aspect, Ronald,
14:13.4
of sobrang na-underestimate niya kasi si BBM.
14:16.8
Yung the whole weak leader,
14:18.3
eto yung sinasabi niyong isang favorite mong vlogger
14:20.3
na kuting,
14:21.1
diba yun?
14:21.8
Kuting of the month,
14:22.6
mga ganun.
14:23.6
I think a part of Digong realizes
14:25.7
maybe he's not kuting after all.
14:27.5
Maybe he's more of a baby tiger
14:29.3
than a kuting, diba?
14:31.4
And not to mention,
14:33.0
of course, I'm not done with BBM.
14:34.1
He relies on pretty shrewd people
14:35.9
to run the show, diba,
14:37.0
in his behalf.
14:38.2
So, I think Duterte is realizing
14:39.5
their cards are not as strong as he thought
14:42.0
and probably is looking for some way
14:44.7
of bringing down a little bit of temperature
14:46.8
and then figuring out what's the next move.
14:48.8
I think he's also realizing that
14:50.3
at the end of the day,
14:51.8
siya yung patriarch of the family.
14:53.6
Siya yung kailangan magliktas dito.
14:55.4
And, Rona, let's be honest.
14:56.8
If Digong knew what he needed to do,
14:59.7
Sara should have been the president today, right?
15:01.7
If he knew how to engineer that succession,
15:04.1
I don't think BBM would have even run for office.
15:06.1
I think Sara had a very good chance
15:07.6
of becoming the next president
15:08.6
or, I don't know,
15:09.4
getting someone like Isko in office
15:10.6
or something like that, diba?
15:11.8
So, I think there's also a sense of guilt in him
15:14.4
na, ah, sayang alam ko nga yung mangyari ito eh,
15:17.5
pero nangyari na ngayon
15:18.6
at parang hindi natin kaya ito.
15:20.5
So, I won't be surprised
15:21.6
that over the long,
15:23.6
holidays,
15:24.3
actually, medyo quiet si Digong.
15:25.8
Wala siyang sinabi masyado.
15:27.0
Baka karan ng konting illumination.
15:29.4
Maybe not 10 out of 10,
15:30.8
but probably 4 out of 10 in all.
15:33.1
Other thing is,
15:34.7
eto, Rona, I'll ask you this.
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I mean, obviously, if you're BBM,
15:38.7
your preferred situation is
15:40.5
tatayimig ng konti itong mga Duterte na yan
15:43.2
at eventually tanggapin na nila
15:45.5
they're at best gonna be secondary powers
15:47.8
in the hierarchy.
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Probably not even secondary,
15:50.6
but at least in terms of big dynasties,
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number two sila.
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At best.
15:54.5
And hintay lang niya yung 2025
15:57.0
and then dudurugin niya lahat ang kalaban
15:59.0
and by that time,
16:00.2
the Duterte camp has to accept
16:01.4
that they're just gonna be a minority,
16:03.9
although quite a vocal opposition here.
16:06.0
And then yun na yung maging pecking order.
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In short,
16:08.2
BBM would rather have this
16:09.6
a slow burn situation
16:10.9
whereby tatanggapin ng kabila
16:12.2
na this is the new pecking order.
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Hindi na kayo boss
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at medyo malayo na tayong dalawa.
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It's not gonna be a partnership anymore.
16:19.0
It's gonna be an asymmetric alliance.
16:20.8
Parang parang nangyari sa Russia and China today,
16:23.0
di ba?
16:23.4
For half a century,
16:25.2
Russia was the senior partner
16:26.5
in relationship with China
16:27.6
during Soviet Union
16:28.6
and early years of post-Soviet Russia.
16:30.9
But now, alam mo,
16:31.6
parang medyo tanggap na nila
16:32.6
Putin and Russia na
16:33.6
sila yung secondary power
16:34.9
in that relationship.
16:35.8
So, we saw very OG gangster-y people
16:38.6
eventually accepting that shift
16:41.2
in the pecking order.
16:42.8
Literally pecking
16:43.8
being on top right now of China.
16:46.1
So, I don't know.
16:46.8
I mean, maybe we're underestimating
16:48.7
the rationality of the gong
16:50.3
or his ability to realize
16:52.1
he's hitting a wall.
16:53.4
At the same time, siguro, Ronald,
16:55.8
we are also underestimating
16:58.0
BBM's ability
16:59.7
to keep pressing his advantage
17:02.5
while keeping things still
17:03.9
relatively on an even keel
17:06.1
or short of a threshold
17:07.5
of what I call mini-civil war
17:09.6
or direct confrontation.
17:11.0
I mean, what do you think
17:11.7
about that perspective?
17:12.8
Kasi, pansin ko,
17:14.4
mas naglilina ko
17:15.4
on this side, eh.
17:16.4
Oo.
17:17.3
Tingin ko, kung ganyan lang
17:18.2
pagtingin ni Digong,
17:19.6
ay masasakyan ko pa
17:22.1
yung una mo sinabi.
17:23.4
Na-underestimate pa rin niya
17:24.7
until now si BBM.
17:27.0
Parang tinitignan niya
17:28.2
na BBM ay pagkakatiwalaan
17:30.7
yung kanyang overtures.
17:32.3
No?
17:33.8
Na tingin ko,
17:35.1
ay bahagi nung
17:36.3
underestimation
17:37.7
nung sinasabi mo kanina.
17:40.7
Dahil,
17:41.7
if I were BBM,
17:43.3
bakit ako magtutrus
17:46.4
na alam ko naman
17:47.7
na after the midterms,
17:49.0
kung si Sarah ang number one
17:51.0
sa survey for 2028,
17:53.4
yari kami.
17:55.4
Yari yung mga Marcos.
17:58.0
Dahil magshi-shift na
17:59.0
yung political loyalties again.
18:01.1
Magbabago na naman
18:02.1
yung political alignment
18:03.6
against them.
18:06.5
Kaya, habang malakas sila
18:08.1
between now and the midterms,
18:10.7
gawin na nila yung dapat gawin.
18:12.4
Kung hindi nila,
18:13.0
pano?
18:13.6
Digong is fighting for time, eh.
18:15.7
Delaying tactic yung ginagawa
18:17.3
ni Digong, eh.
18:18.2
Diba?
18:18.6
Until after the midterms.
18:21.3
Kung mag-survive sila
18:22.3
until the midterms,
18:23.3
ang tingin nila ng mga Duterte,
18:25.4
2028 na yan.
18:27.4
At sila ang leading sa 2028.
18:30.1
At least, ganoon na pa nilang calibration.
18:32.7
Ngayon,
18:33.2
kung tatanggapin ni BBM
18:35.4
yung ganyang overtures
18:36.7
at i-delay
18:38.5
i-delay yung
18:40.2
open warfare,
18:42.4
i-delay yung durugan,
18:44.8
then he will do so at his peril.
18:47.7
Dahil after the midterms,
18:49.6
magbabago ang complexion.
18:51.7
Lalo na,
18:52.2
na,
18:53.3
most probably,
18:54.5
mas mataas si Sarah
18:55.8
kesa kay Speaker Martin.
18:57.8
No? Most probably.
18:59.0
No? Unless ikaw ay may nakikita
19:00.8
sa iyong bola-kristal
19:02.2
na probability
19:04.2
na lalampasan ni Speaker Martin
19:06.5
si Sarah
19:07.3
after the midterms.
19:08.7
Ang mga, may nakikita ako sa bola ko
19:10.4
may bagong survey agency
19:12.0
na lalabas after election.
19:13.8
At biglang ang taas nung iba dyan.
19:16.0
Like, ha?
19:16.9
Akala nyo, kayo lang may ganitong
19:18.6
ano, ha?
19:19.2
Analytics method kami niyan, di ba?
19:21.2
Matatawa nga ako dito sa mga surveys, eh.
19:23.0
Dahil nalalayo nila sa isa't isa, di ba?
19:25.0
Kaya nga, medyo, alam mo naman,
19:26.7
something is off here.
19:28.0
Nalayo ng SWS, no?
19:29.8
What's happening, no?
19:31.0
Nagahanap buhay ba itong mga ito?
19:32.8
Uy, tama ka, Ronald.
19:33.9
Doon sa Pulse Asia, ha?
19:35.3
Na hindi na-release.
19:36.7
Mukhang may chance talaga yung opposition, no?
19:38.8
I mean, at least three of them.
19:40.2
Doon sa Magic 12,
19:41.1
which we can talk in a separate episode.
19:43.1
But Ronald, I wanna keep it here because
19:45.7
this is where we have to discuss
19:46.9
two important curveballs,
19:49.5
if I can put it one way.
19:50.8
One is the ICC curveball.
19:52.3
I don't know kung pwede mo i-timing yan
19:54.3
because hindi kompletong pwede kontroli ng gobyerno.
19:57.3
Kasi also, ICC can determine their time
20:00.3
when the war on the virus.
20:01.3
And the second issue is CHA-CHA,
20:03.3
which as early as right now,
20:05.3
medyo ginagalaw na yung bola.
20:08.3
But again, that will...
20:09.3
So I think there are two moving parts here.
20:11.3
Medyo moving parts.
20:12.3
Lalo yung ICC part.
20:13.3
So let's discuss that in next episode
20:14.3
because I think we have more or less established here
20:17.3
where we kinda agree
20:19.3
and where we slightly digress from each other.
20:22.3
Ako kasi, probably I a little bit more appreciate
20:25.3
Duterte's ability to recognize his mistake at the 11th hour.
20:29.3
You seem to be more skeptical than me.
20:31.3
At the same time, I think I'm also a little bit appreciating
20:34.3
more BBM's ability to keep things on an even keel
20:37.3
and then press his advantage.
20:38.3
It's a very difficult skill.
20:39.3
It's a very high-level skill.
20:41.3
But probably he has it.
20:43.3
Maybe he's better than we thought.
20:44.3
But I can completely agree also.
20:46.3
I can see completely your argument
20:47.3
that where you're coming from
20:48.3
in terms of your skepticism on both counts.
20:50.3
So maybe we can leave it there.
20:52.3
And go to the second episode
20:53.3
which is more important.
20:54.3
Kasi none of our arguments will hold
20:57.3
if something big happens on those two other fronts.
20:59.3
Especially in ICC, right?
21:00.3
Like that completely scrambles everything, right?
21:02.3
So kumka, we froze those two variables
21:05.3
of ICC and CSR Indigree Chacha.
21:07.3
And that's what we're gonna discuss in next episode.
21:09.3
Thank you very much, Secretary Ronald Llamas
21:10.3
for joining us.
21:11.3
Merci beaucoup.
21:12.3
Thank you for joining us.
21:16.3
That was good, that was good.
21:17.3
Merci beaucoup.
21:20.3
Happy Three Kings.
21:22.3
Oh nga pala. Happy Three Kings, sir.
21:23.3
Of course.