Eric Han, Miles Madigan and Josh Royal (Indie Music Artists) EPISODE # 240 The Paco's Place Podcast
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we all took a class eric came up to me in one of the classes and we just started talking he was
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like we can book out the studios at school he was like oh i have a session we could come through we
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could just put our
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brains together she would come up with so eric and i started doing that we were doing that for
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a while and then i remember josh and i just linked up and i just thought like it's perfect like i
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have to get everyone together you know what it's so cool to set the artists aside from these guys
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and see them as people too yeah because that that's the biggest thing like i said not just
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anybody could you know form the group with us like it was all genuine you know like when we met each
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other it's like they're good people so egos are just a bunch of jokes man that's what we got like
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i remember us being like just in in his apartment because that's where all the magic happens
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mr miles madigan aka mcdangle's in his in his in his apartment and we all just we'll just be like
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dude i think that we should do this we should collab on this and and eric will be like i was
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just thinking that too it'll be stuff like that like we'll all have something to contribute in
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the pitching whether it's an idea like one idea leads to like a thousand trust me welcome to the
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three two one ladies and gentlemen live at parker's place we have eric han we have miles what's your
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last name again madigan madigan there you go oh my god i'm gonna have to spell that and we have
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josh real big round of applause
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i'm gonna start with the spelling of your name how do you spell it uh m-a-d or miles is m-i-l-e-s
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we got that yeah and then m-a-d-i-g-a-n madigan okay and you're royal no e at the end no e at the
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end not to get it confused you know or else it would be royal yeah that's unacceptable yours is
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easy yes h-a-n yes keep it simple you know this is this is your second time on parker's place right
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thanks thanks for coming over again of course man thanks for having me now why do we have miles
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and josh well i was thinking about how today would go and i was like you know i was thinking about
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like what i would talk about i'm like i can't really talk about what i do without without them
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you know they're so involved ah and i feel like we're just all kind of working on the same thing
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working on each other so i was like why not what impressed me with you and both of you just pick
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up and run what impressed me with you eric
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is the fact that you're going beyond like music has no boundaries we know that right
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and your enthusiasm with music whether it's in a in a language or a form that you don't really
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understand right you're able to interpret right so now we call it that your collab with with
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josh and with miles this i want to know because you you produce music yeah right
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all three of you produce music oh yeah so i don't do as much of producing like making beats yeah
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but i do like vocal engineering and mixing and i'm a songwriter so that's what i have to bring
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to the table along with a positive attitude you know yeah but yeah we all just kind of find ways
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to feed off of each other and um make each other better you know what i'm saying because it's about
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2023 is about mutually beneficial relationships amen i agree oh yeah how about you miles
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so i produce and i also do some vocal stuff too i just more recently started doing that
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when i started i was just making beats and then i brought me all the way out here to los angeles and
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i'm you know i met josh and he me and him he would get on some of my beats and stuff and i kind of
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started doing my own music putting my own voice on the beats just because i kind of put the mic
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yeah sorry started putting my own like sound on the beats because you know i only i like thought
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i had the sound you know what i mean and yeah i've just been rolling with that since i've been doing it
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since then so lately we've been combining our talents and no matter what what we need if it's a
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beat if it's visuals if it's a voice to put on there you know we've just been finding ways to
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come together and make something out of nothing let's go with come together who found who
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like you mentioned you met up with with josh but the three of you who found who
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that's a good question i don't even know if we've ever thought about this ourselves
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so basically we all met at um
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the la film school and i'm not sure who sure who met first but i know that i would go over to his
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place um before me and eric got you know really cool as close as we are now and um somewhere along
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in that journey is where he came along and we were just like hey i mean we can we don't we don't just
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recruit anybody it could be anybody but um not somebody who doesn't have like the work ethic
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and you know so i mean so far just us three when we put our heads together i mean it's amazing
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something special
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what impresses you with uh miles and josh and you know and the reason why i'm asking all these
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questions is because my time it was more this is my thing i'm not showing my cards then when the
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whole um neptunes came out that became a duo collab right and then timberland then
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justin timberlake the whole collab and everybody started doing collabs yeah now it's it's a
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plethora of different songwriters and artists zed not only writes it's zed plus plus plus plus
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plus right so i'm i'm this is very exciting because i want to know what impressed what
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what's with them that impressed you and then i'll go around the table and ask yes we want to know
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eric yeah all right where do i start now well first off like i mean just the music like what
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i'm hearing i love what they have whom did you hear first
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i heard josh josh first i think okay so what the hell okay what what was it like like what was
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your aha moment with with with josh well honestly like it was just well this applies for both of
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them but before music it's like you know the fact that we just got along you know like outside of
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music and then the music stuff will come naturally you know but i got along with them and not
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you know some other guy in class so that's kind of that was the
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aha moment i think oh these guys are like for sure yeah these guys are chill i'm like just hang
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out with them and then you know just naturally just kind of went to hey let's just so you guys
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hung out with eric not knowing he actually does remixes all that stuff i'm gonna be honest with
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you i wouldn't even before we get to hang out it was more or so like we're we're forced to be in
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the same area you know what i'm saying so i mean you have one of few choices and i chose to
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just go along with you know keep an open mind you know what i'm saying because i i'm not from
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here either i'm from saint louis missouri and where i mean the chances of making it there is
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slim to none so i'm out here to network and you know so i definitely kept an open mind and i'm
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glad i did because here we are so yeah for sure so i remember if we just going back to how we i
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remember we all took a class that was uh analog studio something recording we took a
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this is terrible i can't remember the class that we were all in but i remember eric came up to me
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in one of the class and we just started talking he was like you we can book out the studios at school
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he was like oh i have a session you could come through and we could just put our brains together
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see what we come up with so eric and i started doing that and then we were doing that for a
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while and then i remember josh and i just linked up and i just thought like it's perfect like i
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have to get everyone together you know what it's so cool to see to set the artists aside from these
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guys and see them as people too yeah because
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that that's the biggest thing like i said not just anybody could you know form the group with us
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like it was all genuine you know like when we met each other it's like they're good people so
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egos are no no just a bunch of jokes man that's what we got okay so finally you guys are hanging
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out who actually thought of you know let's let's let's do some collapse let's let's see what we
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can come up with well go ahead uh well let me just say from my pov
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because for me i was just i just approached miles and was like you just want to like work on
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beats and so for a while like we were just kind of making like house beats together and yeah
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i would to answer your question i would say we we all kind of did like i remember us being like
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just in in his apartment because that's where all the magic happens mr miles madigan aka mcdangle's
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in his in his in his apartment and i was like i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't
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know what to do and we all just we'll just be like dude i think that we should do this we should
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collab on this and and eric will be like i was just thinking that too it'll be stuff like that like
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we'll all have something to contribute in a pitch in whether it's an idea like one idea leads to
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like a thousand trust me of course yeah just playing stuff for each other now let's go back
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because people who listen to to paco's place are people looking for inspiration right so la film
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school missouri where are you from new jersey
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new jersey where are you from uh i was born in korea i'm from torrance torrance that's pretty far
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okay so before going to la what was let's go back uh kid from missouri what was in your head
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what was the plan all along in your head in my head the plan was never to go to school the plan
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was always music because i believed if you have a good plan a then it doesn't matter what your plan
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i actually ended up ironically having a plan b and not necessarily a fall back but a fall forward
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because at least now i'll have an education and um a degree that i could put to some sort of use to
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just keep you know expanding so what was the conversation with your parents um i don't want
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to go to school you're going to school so find something that you like but really i'm the
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youngest of three um three young men and um there's a big age gap between me and my parents
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so between me and them so they're closer to each other uh six and eight years okay so so yeah so
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it's really me learning from them and just kind of watching in the background they both went to
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college they did both go to college pressure wasn't you yes but more pressure because they
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didn't necessarily finish so it's like i could i have the potential to be the first one in my
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family too you know so when you said you were going to la what did they say um my dad wanted
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to jump in the on the plane and come with me because he was he used to go to school and he
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wanted to do this stuff as a as a teenager you know and he came out and did the cali thing but
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where i'm from if you move to cali if even if you take a trip to cali everybody thinks you've made
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it you know what i'm saying so now that i moved out here it's like speaking of motivation it's
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just i'm really trying to motivate people that to let them know that i'm more like you than not so
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it's like you can do it too you know just follow your dream work hard man how are you miles new
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jersey how many how many siblings do you have i have three younger sisters okay so
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um so what was what was what was high school miles thinking oh man nothing important high
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school miles was up to wait which part of jersey are you from from north new jersey okay yeah
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no high school miles was up to no good um but the plan just because off of what you had asked him
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growing up there the plan is you go to college and you get a degree in finance and you do like
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finance or banking or something like that new york yeah exactly yeah right by new york so
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and i remember i was on that track and it was going well and i was like oh my god i'm gonna
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go and i i went to a school called bucknell in pennsylvania and i was there and i was doing
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my classes and something was i was making music with my roommate and kids around the school were
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starting to be like oh this is good like this is real cool and i was sitting there struggling in
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the classes and one day i was just like you know i think i could apply myself better to my education
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if it's something i care about was this self-talk or were you talking to your roommate about this
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or was this you talking to yourself like the deciding that i wanted to come out here i was
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i didn't tell my roommate until lately like like when when the decision was made right yeah i
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definitely had to call my parents so let's talk about you talking to yourself because that's that's
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you really making that's that's adulting right there for real when when you're talking to yourself
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and making a decision to to do something that you like that you know your family may not understand
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right right what was the conflict like
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between me and my parents between you and yourself first the conflict between me and myself was more
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just like as i mentioned before there's no one from where i'm from who is like has done something
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like this i mean there's like fetty wop maybe he's from new jersey but that's about it for real so
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it wasn't really no one there's no like infrastructure for if you want to do music
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like nobody does that but i've been doing it and the people that knew that i do it liked it and so
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i remember just it just felt right like i was like i should be
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applying myself better yeah i can apply myself i can use my time better if i'm doing something
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productive time commitment finally it was time to tell your roommate and your parents so when you
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told your parents what was the conversation like they were super cool about it they were actually
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super cool because they knew that i they knew that i made music and they knew like how into it i really
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was and they were like yeah listen like this is your like you know it's your decision yeah it's
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like he's asking good questions
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man yeah i know these are great questions i'm over here about to ask you a question oh yeah i'm
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like i'm like wow reach him back i haven't had to think about any of this in a long time dr phil
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yeah honestly i haven't unpacked any of this yeah this is great okay you you right torrence
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i mean pressure on you really especially now i mean like asian folks pressure is on us really
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because because of the rise of um a lot of all these asian
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um music producers and all that stuff how many siblings do you have zero actually it's just you
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yeah just me and your parents were okay for you to go into music from the get-go uh i think just
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like growing up i think they knew i was gonna do something creative i was always into like painting
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my mom sent me to like art classes after school so i think they always knew i was gonna do something
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creative i was making videos growing up too making like youtube videos i want to be youtuber
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and stuff so i don't think they were really surprised and i think it's kind of it's kind of
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the same story as my i was really i was gonna go to college for something and i was like what was
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the something what was that something it's just like i don't know some schools i applied for like
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this major some schools i applied for that major let's let's let's talk about that some schools
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you applied for this major some schools you applied for that major looking back in hindsight
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we think like you mentioned time right can you imagine if you guys actually went through
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the motion right of doing on the goosebumps of doing something that oh yeah you guys really
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didn't like to do josh right miles yeah trust me i still feel like that to a certain degree
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because even with school i go and get what i can from it to apply it to my own stuff but a lot of
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it is like not necessarily what i want to do um so it's like it's but it's good to have balance
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you know and to have discipline so i i have
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no problem just keep expanding the thing you feel me yeah let's talk about the that discipline thing
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because were you really planning to go out of state uh of course in st louis it's like get me
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out of here i mean because it's just there it's becoming lately uh a place where you could make
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it from st louis but when i was coming through i've been doing it for 12 years so when i was
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coming through it's wasn't going to happen in st louis you could do better
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on your worst day in la than on your best day in st louis wow you still go home to torrance yeah
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okay so i'm i'm i have a different question for you but for both of you the discipline part
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alone no family you guys have to prove it not only to yourselves but to the people counting
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on you back home how does discipline and fun cross each other especially in your youth you
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guys are young i mean there's got to be a difference between you and your family and you
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level of fun but then again a cognitive awareness about discipline right right well for me i walk
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by faith not by sight amen so it's more so like just from what i believe in it's just letting go
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and letting god you know everything happens how it's supposed to when it's supposed to
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i control what i can control so as long as i know that i you know just plan accordingly
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as best as you can right because you don't know what's you know tomorrow's not promised
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yeah so i just handle my business that way i can have my fun you know so in other words
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you're more into the here's the plan i know that this is what i want but i'm not gonna interfere
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with what god has in store for me in order to get that plan manifested in my life exactly because in
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music there is no blueprint yeah i agree so i mean that's all you can really do it's almost
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i mean you do a lot of stuff on the side you know self-promoting and everything do shows
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and everything but it's like it's there's a lot of hurry up and wait you know and music i've
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learned hurry up and wait there is i mean from opportunities you know you i mean you always got
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to have stuff going on you know that's that's the biggest thing for me so i agree with i agree with
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that and i also think yeah definitely god's timing is perfect so it works out when it will work out
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but i definitely make a point of it to sit down every day and at least try to get creative like
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just get down at the computer yeah try to that that has nothing to do with motivation
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by the way that's commitment right yeah i was you i was answering the discipline question right
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so i make sure i know that i'm whether whether you feel like doing it right or not exactly how
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important is it can you tell can you tell future music producers how important is that discipline
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part because it's easy to say the word discipline it's hard to actually oh definitely yeah it's the
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only way to get better the only way to get better is to work at it you know what i mean and i would
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ask yourself is this your passion because i feel like
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it's a lot easier to be disciplined at something that you're passionate about like this is a job
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this is my job music is my job but when you do something you love for a living it doesn't it
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rarely feels like work you know what i'm saying yeah you said even when you don't feel like doing
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it but that's rare there's rarely times when i'm not excited to sit down and make something
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trust me they know i make like five songs in in one sitting just bouncing back to you know
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what i'm saying like it's crazy but yeah how about you without my question for you is
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you go home every day yeah does it um desensitize you from the hurry up and wait process
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you know what i mean because because you guys it's hurry up and wait because you know i mean
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there's that level of i cannot fail myself i cannot fail the people around me you and and this
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is a different question because um like i have a 27 year old son he lives in orange county he has
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but he has a bed in in one of the rooms in the house and that bed is meant for him not to stay
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there but just in case something happens there's a bed for him to mend his broken wings right
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so in your case like you go home every day is there pressure how do you pressure yourself to
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i should be out of this house or there's no pressure at all because you have no siblings
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yeah i'm like what what are you saying
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that's my place yeah what is my house
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haha no but how do you how do you discipline yourself
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honestly like this is something obviously like i you know think about every day but there is
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there is definitely a a pressure to like get out but there's also a a sense of like security i can
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stay here for a little bit while i'm young and i can relax a little bit
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enjoy like you know working on music and actually bettering myself than to like just go and like get
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money you know like just really like focusing on myself so i've been like i've been teaching myself
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a lot of things outside of music like i've been working on videos for us i've been getting into
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trying to do like album covers graphic design i kind of just try to spend my day doing that same
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that's this going back to the discipline stuff you know try to try to better yourself every day
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what projects are out there that we can talk about i mean let's not talk about the stuff that
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you can't talk about now but projects that that you guys have done on your own and collaboratively
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what's out there let's start with you josh um so um we have a lot of unreleased stuff that we haven't
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to the point where it's almost we're it's fresh can you talk about but i can talk about my own
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stuff yes um i actually just had a song recently hit number one on the um digital radio tracker dr
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t independent chart and i think 46 on the global chart nice this is a song called thank you
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song called hit me up it's on all platforms so yeah definitely check it out it's r b
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but i'm not just an r b artist i make all any genre so how did how did um hit me up uh come
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about um actually i was going to a sister school of la film school in florida called full sail
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university yeah and um while i was there i think i was going through i was going through it with the
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you know how that goes oh yeah and uh i think i had my my little heart broke i was gonna go how'd
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he go it didn't go the way i wanted it to i'll tell you that that's definitely for sure so it
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just basically the song says when you're all alone pick up your phone and hit me up so um it was it
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was really my first time being out of the house on my own and living on my own and uh yeah so it just
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came from a place of vulnerability i believe which is good you know nowadays vulnerability is good
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authenticity is key for sure i agree a hundred percent so so this song came up came about who
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produced it you um actually so i at the time i was getting a lot of my beats from youtube okay and um
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i ended up sending the producer the song and he loved it and he gave me a deal on purchasing the
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whole see it's not it's not a lease it's a purchase yeah i purchased it so um yeah it's
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been doing well man i have no complaints i'm looking to i just had a show in st louis uh april
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7th and that went really well so i'm looking to perform more and so after after that uh after
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hit me up what else did you do um i dropped an album actually my first album ever called need
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your attention and it was more so an ep actually uh need your attention the ep and i dropped that
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what are the songs and uh need your attention um hit me up there hit me up is there we have
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an intro called heartbreaker we have a song called glad you came
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um deserve time all that mattered wait wait so is this more of like a thematic kind of ep
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yeah it's it's real drawn out and you know i have just my own unique style
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if you listen to the whole album is there an arc like yes and to a certain degree yes but it's a
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josh royal arc you know it's not going to be the same way somebody else did it and that's what's
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beautiful about creation you know yeah how about you how are you how are you man yeah so i have a
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i think i have four singles out right now on uh spotify and apple music on spotify it's under
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mcdangle's so you really went by yeah oh don't don't don't get a start on the game no no no no
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i want to know the story of the dangles so mcdangle's uh i play soccer and when i was
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younger for what it's worth which is nothing i was pretty disgusting and um we were playing
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after school one day and i scored this crazy goal and this kid came up to me and was like yo yo your
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mcdangle's and i was like yeah i just went yeah i think that captures the energy of what i was
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trying to go for ah yeah okay so under mcdangle's that's on spotify on apple music i think it's
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still just miles madigan i'm trying to get it changed but you know how's it doing on the
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platforms ah it's doing okay ah that high pitch what's going on yeah the hype the hype ipad i've
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been building it up i've been working on you know i'm looking on dropping a project soon i've been
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up to you know like like when you say you've been working it up about to drop a project soon
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it's doing okay there is frustration in everything you do right there's expectation
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then there's frustration and we have to settle with what's in between but how do you and you
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mentioned a while ago letting go and letting god right because sometimes when we hold on to stuff
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that's when we stress out right that's right how do you practice letting go
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i definitely the thing with just on what you asked about how it was doing and the numbers and
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being able to let that go i think i've never really paid a whole lot of attention to the
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numbers it's more about for me what keeps me going is the response that i see when i play
27:09.0
it for these guys or when my friends back home yeah like i put out a song just recently and
27:14.3
all my friends threw it on their stories on instagram and like stuff like that can keep
27:18.4
me going i can run for two years off of that so it's basically more of like doing the activity
27:23.6
yeah yeah yeah i love doing it and you know i like seeing the positive response like firsthand
27:29.5
from people that are close and you know what i agree with you and and if if you guys allow me
27:33.4
to share a story so so my son decided because he he's a he's a procrastinator so he said i'm gonna
27:40.3
write a song a week for one year wrote 52 songs right like he would at least beats he would
27:48.6
produce it by himself mix it master and i'm like so what's the
27:53.6
goal are you looking for a hit song are you looking for and he said no dad i just want to
27:58.6
get away from being a procrastinator i go okay that's okay son pretty deep and then he goes not
28:07.4
only that um i might learn some some things along the way and after after one year i asked him so
28:15.8
what'd you learn he's like i learned how to eq i learned how to master i learned how to mix i learned
28:24.1
writing songs isn't as easy as i thought it was so this this uh no just today he got signed with
28:32.6
universal records oh wow oh yeah definitely i mean this was good yeah so this is so weird because
28:40.3
this guy just did the activity then did the activity and did the activity he has a nice career
28:45.8
with triple a he's an insurance agent with triple a and he's like i um i just got signed with
28:53.6
the conversation today i was like wow wow talk about motivation yeah that's definitely
28:58.2
motivation right there that's amazing 27 years old so i was like whoa i was like well good good job
29:04.0
yeah exactly and i had nothing to do with it i had nothing to do with it and i think as a parent
29:08.6
that's that's that's the best part so my question to you is how involved are your parents oh super
29:16.7
involved they're super uh supportive yeah and they both have a real love for music but they're not
29:23.6
career backseat career drivers though what do you mean like yo do this do that oh no no no no not
29:29.2
like that no if anything i'm kind of updating them hey i'm letting you know i go out and actually like
29:34.7
i actually like do things you know i'm going on a podcast tonight get out of the house yeah
29:45.0
my parents i they don't really ask about this type of stuff they don't really they know what
29:49.9
i'm doing they know i make music and all that but i they haven't heard most of my
29:53.6
how about your sisters though yeah they've heard yeah they like it they're cool my sisters are
29:57.8
cool they rock with it so you're the only boy yeah dude that's hard and you left your dad
30:04.5
yeah he's still back home yeah so he's the only boy yeah yeah he is good luck yeah
30:10.6
no it's not it's not as bad as my sisters are cool as hell it's cool yeah how about you josh
30:18.0
like your parents i mean like you said your dad right your dad wanted to come to l.a also yeah
30:23.6
you feel that um and and nothing again nothing against uh your dad i don't want this to turn out
30:31.0
the wrong way but he's excited for you because you're gonna get to do something that he probably
30:36.7
dreamt about doing right is there pressure on your part um i would be lying if i said no there's
30:43.9
definitely pressure but i just that's it's a little different for me because my dad is actually
30:48.6
my manager he's my dadager as of right now
30:53.6
just until we find somebody else that we can trust enough is he here no he's back in st louis
30:58.1
he's doing the dadager thing from st louis so i call my manager yeah for real he still books me
31:03.5
shows and all kinds of stuff like that so i just i look at it from a perspective of wow i'm so
31:07.9
blessed to be able to have this and i have a dad that cares that much that's my number one fan that
31:14.4
wants to do this that's actually in my life so all your parents are together yes yeah yeah it's
31:21.4
actually my mom's birthday today happy birthday happy birthday
31:23.6
isn't that amazing like all your parents are still together not every not every kid has that
31:32.3
privilege they gave us a chance right like like so how important this family in in with with regard
31:39.9
to your core value i mean it's i mean for us like it's just me and my parents here everyone else is
31:46.2
back in korea so i mean it's all i know yeah i only i only have them no cousins out here no
31:53.6
well i guess i have a cousin i have a second cousin out here but i don't know i've met her like
31:57.4
three times maybe this account five is the minimum five okay yeah two more times yeah
32:04.5
but yeah how about you i mean just let's just reflect on that because sometimes we disregard
32:10.0
that fact that that um your family is not just around but still intact yeah yeah no definitely
32:17.4
i think uh my parents definitely gave me a very good work ethic just seeing they both work and
32:23.6
long hours both of them so seeing them both like get up and go and do their thing and then come
32:29.8
back home and still either make dinner or all that and just never complain about it in front
32:33.7
of me it was like that's really impactful because you see that and that's like that's how you have
32:37.8
to be you know what i mean so yeah stuff like that josh man it makes me emotional i'm such an
32:43.2
emotional person it makes me emotional but just just like what he said for real like my parents
32:48.1
went through it so that i didn't have to and like i know that i didn't ask to be here but
32:53.6
they i can't even put into word i can't describe how great they are so i'm just so grateful and
32:59.8
blessed talk about gratitude you just mentioned gratefulness that's what i that's what i was
33:04.2
trying to set it up for how important is it to be grateful every day especially this career that you
33:09.8
guys are doing which is high profile when you make it i'm not saying if when you make it it's very
33:16.3
high profile how important is the knowledge of being grateful every day and actually practicing
33:23.6
and then being grateful every day is really important and that's why i think it is imperative
33:27.3
because for me it's all about it's the mindset i can't go into the studio with the nasty negative
33:33.3
mindset because that my music is going to reflect that i feel like you know so i'm just grateful to
33:38.0
have the voice to be able to get into a studio you know right miles no i agree with that for sure
33:43.9
sometimes you get especially with making music and you're talking about you know pushing and getting
33:49.8
frustrated and stuff you can get to a point you don't realize how far you've actually come and it's
33:53.6
think about things like that and to put it all in perspective when maybe it's not because you know
33:58.4
sometimes you'll sit down and make something it just won't it just won't happen the way it's
34:01.8
supposed to that time but you have to remind yourself that you're still you're along the
34:06.4
journey you know what i mean you've already come so far it's not one little bump in the road isn't
34:10.5
worth giving up when you say sometimes it doesn't happen the way you want it to yeah well how would
34:17.8
you react if you write a song this is your expectation you really don't like that song
34:25.6
you're just going through the motion of writing it to to you know just implement your discipline
34:31.7
you're you're partial toward song b and all of a sudden song a which really wasn't in
34:40.0
in your frontal became a huge song that's how it happens they say most videos most things go viral
34:47.8
on accident and but if that if that were to happen i woke up and it was viral or something
34:53.2
i wouldn't be mad i would sleep better knowing that i would i have no regrets about it again
34:57.4
josh that wasn't part of the template that what is ah interesting do you have a template when you
35:05.8
when you when you create songs um no actually i think if anything i'm trying to just do something
35:13.5
different every time so it's not it's not intro verse whole
35:17.8
chorus none of those no not really i just if anything i try to not think about that yeah
35:24.5
because i feel like i get so interesting in like i have to have like this i have to have this but
35:30.9
isn't the underlake important isn't the hook important isn't the of course yeah of course
35:35.4
important of course it's important but you know i'm making like house music still yeah at some
35:41.5
point people are gonna have to raise their hands right and raise the roof no of course yes it's
35:47.8
know it's not it doesn't have to be so rigid i feel like and i feel like it has to go up
35:51.6
it doesn't yeah it will go up it will go when probably like 30 seconds see that's what i that's
35:57.8
what i mean there you go there you go yeah my man i know yeah yeah how about you structure because
36:06.7
like like to josh it's like don't what is like no template what is how about you so when i sit down
36:11.7
to create generally i start with uh you need like a melody not a melody you need like rhythm you need
36:17.8
so i start with either on the keys or on the guitar so you're more you're more a chords
36:21.8
person first for sure yeah i start with the yeah i think that lays the structure you can
36:27.6
kind of so nice so nice talking about music yeah yeah i love this yeah the beat can kind of you can
36:33.0
dictate the pace and you can set the mood with the chords you know what i mean so
36:37.2
start with the chords and then build from there generally how about you how about you
36:41.1
i like hit me up when you created hit me up you told me like you got the music from youtube i did
36:48.5
so how did it speak how did the music speak because you you were just clicking once
36:54.0
that's the that's the beat the way that i make music is um so it all starts with the beat whether
37:00.2
i make it or not whoever makes it eric makes it or if miles makes it it starts with the beat right
37:04.7
so i have to be moved by the beat um from that point on i get behind the mic and i say what i
37:09.7
feel and like i don't write anything down like i just punch in and it you at the end of the song
37:16.1
it's so crazy to hear
37:18.5
what comes of what you were thinking just have you have you have you punched him in
37:23.6
you've punched him all the time all the time okay okay oh this is nice it's like
37:28.0
it's like you're working with jay-z you know how jay-z works right yeah yeah press
37:35.0
um little juan that's one of the inspirations i got it from um lil wayne who he's a very he's
37:42.1
inspired by jayzee yeah he's been yeah exactly yeah but that's true yeah so you've punched him in yeah and okay so so talk should i find out when they get used to seeing he's kind of hoody
37:44.5
so you've punched him in yeah and okay so so talk should i find out when they get used to seeing he's kind of hoody
37:47.8
Talking about that, for sure, even just
37:49.9
with making my own music, seeing the way
37:52.1
he does it, it's so inspiring just
37:54.1
to see, and it makes you, I'm a competitive
37:56.0
person, so, and he, I don't know,
37:58.1
he's the same way, too, like, he makes me
38:00.0
want to go over, like.
38:01.6
Some of us, Miles, come in with our Apple Notes
38:04.2
and it's right there, let me just sing to it.
38:06.3
So, you don't do any of those. You're like,
38:08.5
okay, let me be inspired. Okay, Miles,
38:10.1
punch me in. Yeah, pretty much.
38:12.1
Yeah, I'll even hum until I got,
38:14.2
I'll know the melody. My melodies
38:16.0
are not my problem, usually.
38:17.8
I'm humbly speaking, but
38:19.1
then if I hum something, I'm like,
38:22.0
okay, that's cool. Put words to it
38:24.0
and then boom, it's just there, it's ready
38:27.9
you're moved by the beat, you
38:30.1
start with chord progressions,
38:34.2
what do you start with? I actually want to, like,
38:36.0
re-answer my question. I actually,
38:38.0
it's interesting, because I start making my
38:40.0
beats with drums, always. Always
38:42.0
drums? Always drums. Why? Interesting.
38:44.7
I don't know. I don't know why.
38:46.2
But you're not a drummer.
38:48.0
No, but I think it's just like,
38:50.5
well, I think, A, it's habit.
38:53.9
Like, I just always start with drums, so
38:55.8
it's easier for me to build around
38:57.6
like a drum loop.
39:00.7
What do you use for drums?
39:02.8
Do you use software?
39:04.0
Hardware? What do you use? No, I'm just
39:05.8
taking, like, samples. I'm chopping samples together.
39:08.4
Who's your favorite
39:12.5
Like, rip their samples?
39:14.3
Like, rip their beats to create samples.
39:16.3
Like, samples from Splice.
39:17.8
The one-shot samples.
39:18.9
Oh, yeah. I get, like, one-shot samples, but when it comes
39:22.3
to, like, actual, like, sampling melodies, I'll just
39:24.4
go and, like, go on YouTube and just
39:26.4
like, scroll through random, like,
39:28.3
I'll go to, like, vintage, vintage
39:30.1
playlist on YouTube MP3, you know?
39:32.7
Yeah. So, you start with
39:34.3
beats. Yeah. And then,
39:36.3
like, growing up, were you always
39:38.6
biased toward the drums?
39:42.6
No. I think I was,
39:44.8
I think at first, like, at the
39:46.4
very beginning, when it comes to, like, making, like,
39:47.8
making music, I think I was really into sound design
39:49.9
at first. And then, it kind of became,
39:52.1
like, how can I put these together
39:53.6
to, like, make it sound,
39:57.4
Let's go nerd stuff. Are you into frequencies?
40:01.9
I don't know. How are we
40:03.7
talking? We're talking, like, placements.
40:06.2
Like, instrument placements when it comes
40:07.9
to laying them down.
40:09.9
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to have, like, a little chart.
40:12.4
Yeah. I used to have a little chart,
40:13.9
you know? You know what I'm talking about? A little spectral
40:15.9
chart. I knew exactly what he's talking about.
40:17.8
I gotta look that up sometimes and, you know, go by them.
40:20.0
But, again, that, too, is, like, one of those things
40:22.0
that I was trying to hit earlier
40:24.1
where I'm, like, I got so in my
40:26.1
way of, like, I have to go by this chart.
40:28.0
I have to go by this frequency.
40:29.8
Snare has to be here. Kick has to be here. But, like,
40:31.8
now I'm trying to just break that.
40:33.6
Are you more into it with your ears now and with
40:36.0
your gut? No. Yeah, definitely.
40:37.7
My ears have gotten better, definitely. Like, I always
40:40.0
try to, like, go back and look at what I did
40:41.9
before and I'm, like, if it sounds bad,
40:43.9
that's a good thing. You know?
40:46.0
Bad is good? Well, if my
40:47.8
old stuff sounds bad in comparison to what I'm doing now,
40:50.3
that's a good sign. You know? So, and I feel
40:52.0
like, looking back, I'm, like, okay, my ears have
40:54.0
gotten better now because I would've turned this up,
40:56.0
I would've turned that down. Back then, I was
40:57.9
so obsessed with having my snare
41:00.1
on this side, on this side.
41:01.9
Like, dude, there was a time when I was
41:04.0
so obsessed with panning my drums.
41:06.4
Like, I was so obsessed with
41:08.0
panning my drums, bro. I look back at my beats
41:10.1
and, like, my hi-hats are
41:12.0
on this side, but it's, like, it's distracting.
41:14.7
Yeah, I'm, like, bro, they're going back
41:16.0
and forth, like, oh, man.
41:17.8
But so now, I'm just trying to break
41:20.3
that mold, you know, but. But it's still
41:22.3
drums. But still, I kind of start with drums
41:24.2
first. And it's interesting that we all kind of have
41:26.3
a different starting point. Right? But we all
41:28.1
kind of end up making the same song
41:30.3
sometimes. And it's nice, it's nice that
41:32.3
all three of you have different starting points.
41:34.2
Can you imagine if all three of you started
41:36.3
with the drums? Nothing would come out
41:38.4
of it. It would make me not want to do it.
41:40.4
Right? I like being able to do my own
41:42.4
thing and create and not care what
41:44.4
anybody says. Because, yeah,
41:46.1
if it sounds good,
41:47.8
I mean, what can people say, you know?
41:49.5
Okay, here, here, this is interesting. Who's your favorite
41:51.7
artist and what got you started into
41:53.6
music? My favorite
41:55.6
artist and what got me started into
41:57.8
music. Tough one. Yeah.
41:59.6
So both of you think of your
42:02.0
answers, huh? I'm on it. So I'm gonna
42:04.9
I'm trying to think of what I've been listening
42:07.9
to. I've definitely been,
42:11.7
yeah, I've been listening to a lot of Bryson Tiller recently.
42:14.5
But that's recent. But I'm saying,
42:16.1
I don't know, my favorite artist kind of
42:17.8
changes. I can't think. First, okay, let's make it
42:19.8
easy for all three of you. Your first
42:21.2
favorite artist or the artist that got
42:23.7
you into. That's what I want to do.
42:25.7
If it, does it help you to me, for me
42:27.8
to go or you got it? No, I got it. Go ahead.
42:29.5
Now I know. If you're talking about my first favorite, it was
42:31.6
Lil Uzi Vert. Okay, why?
42:33.7
I used to hear, and it wasn't even him,
42:35.7
that's what's crazy. I used to hear the
42:37.3
Dabby Molly Raw on the tag
42:39.4
and that's what made me want to make beats. And so
42:46.7
Definitely my first,
42:47.8
was Skrillex. Skrillex.
42:49.7
Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah.
42:51.6
So I was making like dubstep.
42:53.9
I thought I wanted to make dubstep and stuff.
42:56.0
And now I've obviously moved away a little bit.
42:57.9
That guy, that guy
42:59.3
would do everything on a Mac.
43:02.1
On a laptop. Oh yeah.
43:03.9
That's it. Crazy. No
43:05.5
keyboard, no nothing.
43:07.8
Nothing. Broken laptop too. They say it's not about the
43:09.6
equipment, it's about the
43:11.7
engineer. I used to be a punk rock band before that.
43:13.8
Right? Yeah, crazy.
43:16.5
Bro, sick. How about you? How about you, Josh?
43:18.5
My first favorite artist ever
43:20.0
was Usher. I would
43:21.5
put on the leather
43:23.6
and dance, do the music videos at like
43:26.2
one years old. Like tiny,
43:28.2
like tiny. So definitely
43:29.9
Usher. So you, at a
43:32.1
very young age, this was your path.
43:34.3
Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
43:36.1
I had some things happen when I was younger
43:37.9
that like just, I had no choice.
43:40.3
Like it just absolutely yanked me into
43:42.0
music and I was like, I'm definitely doing
43:44.0
music. So you dance?
43:46.4
I do a little bit of dancing. I do
43:48.0
choreography. Okay, so you dance.
43:50.2
You dance? I was actually
43:52.1
on a dance team in high school. Wow.
43:54.3
Yeah. You guys didn't know that, huh?
43:55.7
No, bro. I didn't know that. That came from the left.
44:02.6
It wasn't nothing crazy. He might be
44:04.2
lying. No, no. I'm not lying.
44:06.0
I'm just joking. Do you dance?
44:08.1
I mean, at a party, for sure.
44:10.3
But maybe not in a video. I don't know about that.
44:13.4
Not if there's cameras
44:14.5
around. We'll get them on video.
44:16.4
Hopefully. Not if there's cameras.
44:17.8
Incorporate that sometime. Yeah, for sure.
44:20.2
Okay. So let's, I'm gonna
44:22.1
as of this taping,
44:24.0
are you guys in your 20s still?
44:28.2
Early 20s. No kids?
44:32.5
Oh, you're saying that like, hey.
44:35.9
Why not? Because I want
44:38.1
them to have the best chance at
44:40.0
success as possible. And I know that
44:42.2
right now, I couldn't. If it happened,
44:44.0
I would step up and I would do it. But it's not
44:46.2
going to happen because I can't have it happen.
44:48.6
So, somebody knock on some wood
44:53.9
as of right now, absolutely
44:56.1
not. But in the future, let's do it.
45:00.4
Exactly what you said. I don't think
45:02.2
right. In that scenario,
45:04.3
of course, I would step up and I'd do
45:06.1
my thing. But I think I want to
45:08.1
wait until I have my own home and a wife.
45:10.4
And not only so that they have
45:12.4
the best shot at success as possible,
45:16.2
This is so interesting
45:19.1
and weird. Because during my time,
45:21.4
like, right, Mike?
45:23.1
During my time, it's like,
45:24.8
dude, I'm 18. I need to have
45:28.9
y'all were different.
45:30.4
That's crazy. Not me. I don't know about that.
45:32.6
Y'all were different. I have five kids.
45:35.3
Wow. I have five kids.
45:38.7
I'm 51. So, at least I had
45:40.5
one when I was 25. Okay.
45:44.0
I know people who have... That's reasonable.
45:46.2
They're good. It's not the three of you, though.
45:50.3
like, it's near few. I'm about to be 23
45:52.3
single day of my on May 5th.
45:54.1
On May 5th. Okay. So, yeah.
45:56.2
That's not too far away, man.
45:58.3
Dude, never know.
45:59.9
You never know, man.
46:01.2
I appreciate the nod. I'm gonna go ahead and get one more in myself.
46:06.7
I'm excited for all three of you.
46:10.3
you to profess your goal.
46:12.7
Because I want to invite all three
46:14.2
of you again. Maybe,
46:16.3
maybe a year from now. So, when
46:18.0
we come back a year from now. Okay.
46:20.5
And this is gonna be a challenge.
46:22.0
Where will you be? So, we're gonna
46:24.1
play back this episode
46:25.3
and compare that. All three of you.
46:28.2
One year from now? One year from now. Awesome.
46:31.0
One year from now.
46:32.0
I'm gonna be rooting for all three of you.
46:34.0
I appreciate that. Thank you. Likewise.
46:35.9
Likewise. Of course. Thank you.
46:37.8
So, let's hedge. Let's
46:40.0
hedge our careers today.
46:42.5
Yeah. Let's do it.
46:44.3
One year from now. Yeah, come on.
46:46.2
I'm hoping we will all be
46:48.0
signed. All three of us.
46:50.3
And we'll all be just kind of making music.
46:53.0
And whether it be
46:54.1
together or, you know,
46:56.2
we'll be working on house music or,
46:58.3
you know. But I think in a year from now,
47:00.2
we'll definitely be working together.
47:01.9
But I just hope we'll be
47:04.0
doing bigger and better things. We will.
47:06.4
But we're definitely coming back
47:08.2
in a year. Definitely.
47:11.5
have some music that I'm getting
47:14.2
ready to drop that I hopefully,
47:16.2
will be out by then. And also, I want to start doing
47:18.1
shows. I want to start performing.
47:20.7
A year from now, when we
47:22.2
come back, we'll count the number of shows you've
47:24.2
performed. Yes. Yeah.
47:25.7
I'm gonna start doing shows. Bring it home, Josh.
47:28.0
Like, a year from now, where will
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you be and where will the three of you be?
47:32.1
I mean this in the most respectful
47:33.9
way possible. My goal, a year
47:36.2
from today, is to
47:38.0
not be able to make it to your podcast.
47:40.5
I want to come. I'm going to come.
47:42.0
I'm gonna be here. But I want to be so
47:44.1
deep into my passion,
47:47.9
I'm getting booked here. I'm in
47:50.0
Canada. Sorry, I can't make it, guys.
47:52.3
I'm in Canada. You hear me?
47:54.1
I'm just out in the ducats.
47:58.1
yeah, yeah, for sure. I'll be here.
48:00.5
Wouldn't it be nice if
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virtual? Right, right.
48:10.3
pops, please. We're on Zoom?
48:12.4
No. I see us doing
48:14.2
great things. I see us just keep
48:16.2
making each other better and
48:18.1
wow, just keep going up. Because we already
48:20.3
have. We've already come so far from when I
48:22.2
first met these guys. It's crazy.
48:26.2
Before we land this,
48:28.0
shout out to you. Because you have
48:30.1
such a very, very good heart.
48:31.9
Oh, wow. Thank you. When I invited,
48:34.5
it was so weird because
48:38.2
was here, I was like,
48:46.2
I really personally invited you back.
48:48.6
Remember? I said, you know, come back.
48:50.5
Let's chat because I
48:52.3
really want to nerd out and talk about music.
48:56.5
Eric told us that, you know,
48:58.3
I'm bringing my friends,
49:00.4
that speaks volume of his
49:05.8
Because it's easy to just,
49:08.1
you know, this is my light.
49:11.6
And then that's integrity right there.
49:13.6
So please keep it up. Wow. Thank you.
49:16.6
I would have not even been on the podcast
49:19.6
if it wasn't for the band that brought me.
49:22.0
Dwarf, yeah. Yeah, so, of course.
49:24.2
I mean, I had to bring them.
49:25.6
Shout out to them. Shout out to you for having us.
49:28.3
Thank you so much.
49:29.1
Dude, wishing you all the best. Ladies and gentlemen,
49:31.2
Josh Royal, we have
49:33.7
Miles Madigan, and we have Eric Hatton.
49:36.1
Thank you so much.
49:41.6
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