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00:00.0
Okay, eto na. Balikan natin yung ating, isa sa mga ating mga paboritong co-host.
00:06.9
Ilan lang naman sila eh, pero marahat sila paborit.
00:09.5
Eto si Secretary Ronald Llamas. Thank you very much, Ronaldo, for joining us.
00:15.3
Yeah, good evening, Big R.
00:18.5
Evening na evening. Ayan, nakabalik ka na sa bansa kasi it's your last time when we are talking.
00:27.9
Kamusta ang Europe?
00:29.0
Ayan pa. Ayan pa.
00:31.2
Patung mainit dito.
00:33.8
Ay, talaga yung Pilipino, diba?
00:36.7
Naka-bag lang ng isang...
00:38.2
Parang yung mga bago kong jacket na nabili ko sa outlet store.
00:42.4
Wala ka bang nanab na leather jacket doon sa...
00:44.9
Wala ka bang nanab na...
00:48.3
Ayan, yung mga leather jacket dyan talagang galing yan.
00:51.5
Eto si Ronald, talaga alam mo yung mga Pilipino, nag-abroad lang ng isang week, hindi nasanay sa init, sa traffic.
00:58.9
Ano sa adjustment natin?
01:05.2
Adjustment natin, back to the...
01:06.6
Di makatulog, jet lag.
01:09.6
So ayusin natin yung adjust... Eto na, magdaldalan tayo. That's always one of our best therapy.
01:14.5
Magdaldalan tayo ng...
01:15.4
Gusto lang si Ikwan, Big L.
01:18.0
Big L, nag-jet lag din yata. Medyo sabog sumagot eh. Medyo every three days sumasagot.
01:23.8
Pero nangako sa akin yan, napag-usapan namin ng Gumborza, kasaysayan, ganun.
01:28.9
We're gonna have a mini-episode, kasi mamaya gusto natin pag-usapan. Hindi lang yung usual suspects, no.
01:33.2
I want to talk to you, Ronald, about one of my favorites, si Isabela de los Reyes, no?
01:36.4
So, pag-usapan natin later on yan. Medyo iba yung kasaysayan. Medyo...
01:39.4
And then, mag-Russian Revolution tayo, October.
01:41.7
Meron akong painting niya sa library.
01:45.7
O diyan, ilokahan niya, ha? Ilokahan niya. Don't forget.
01:49.0
Ah, talaga? Hindi ko alam na ilokahan niya.
01:50.6
O, ilokahan niya si Isabela de los Reyes.
01:52.1
You know, his biggest work was...
01:53.8
He was also a traveler. He learned this abusive ideology sa Europe, no?
01:58.3
Especially from...
01:58.9
France, no? Spain.
02:00.3
He was an anthropologist. So, a lot of his anthropology was about Ilocano anthropology.
02:04.6
And he showed yung roots ng Ilocano anthropology.
02:06.9
Actually, a lot of that was influenced by Spain, etc.
02:09.0
So, marami siyang...
02:09.6
So, he was showing na ang superstition na hindi Filipino.
02:12.6
Actually, a lot of superstition that we have in Ilocos came from the Spanish.
02:15.8
So, anyway, pag-usapan natin later on yan. Fantastic guy.
02:19.0
But let's first start with the drama of the moment.
02:22.5
Eto, narinig mo ba yung marites?
02:24.2
Diyos, daw, nagkaroon daw ng hidwan.
02:27.0
Uminit daw yung diskusyon.
02:28.9
Nung si Mig Zubiri took the issue of P.I.
02:33.5
People's Initiative.
02:34.6
Hindi ito yung P.I. ni tatay.
02:36.6
Nung P.I. issue, di na lang ni Mig Zubiri kay Martin Romaldes.
02:40.0
Nag-reklamo daw siya kay BBM.
02:41.6
Si BBM daw, shock!
02:43.2
Oh, what is that?
02:46.5
Eto, Mig Zubiri, di ba, sir?
02:48.4
And then, punta kay Martin.
02:49.9
Si Martin, what P.I.?
02:51.4
I don't know what you're talking about.
02:52.7
Ano ba nangyari? May marites ka ba?
02:55.8
Nagpapalitaan ko yun at nakita ko naman yung indications
02:59.1
dahil nagkaroon ng press conference si Senate President Zubiri
03:04.0
na binanata niya itong People's Initiative at saka pirma.
03:08.2
Pero a day after, medyo nag-soften na siya.
03:14.0
Mukhang nakausap na siya ni President Bongbong
03:16.1
at naglabas na siya nung joint resolution para sa charter change,
03:23.5
para sa economic provisions.
03:24.8
Meron lang siya mga kulatilya na walang lifting of term limits,
03:31.8
walang term extension, etc.
03:34.1
So, dalawang moment dyan.
03:37.2
Yung isang moment, yung presko niya na bumanat siya,
03:40.2
tapos yung isang kinabukasan na mas proactive na siya.
03:45.7
Let's do this, pero ito yung limits.
03:49.4
Ito yung gagawin natin.
03:52.2
Mahirap kasing...
03:53.7
Hindi naman kasi kiniklaim ni Speaker publicly na siya yung behind sa People's Initiative.
03:58.9
Parang it's an orfan na walang magulang.
04:01.6
Kasi nga People's Initiative.
04:05.1
Lalo na after nung Ed Sapuera mo, na-add.
04:09.9
Lalong walang gustong mag-claim nung People's Initiative.
04:14.0
Napakagaling nung Ed Sapuera na yun.
04:16.0
Yung mga hindi naman kaaway, biglang naging kaaway.
04:18.5
At yung dormant Ed Sapuera, biglang nabuhayan.
04:25.3
Tapos dinikit mo yung People's Initiative sa masyadong pro-foreign.
04:32.9
Masyadong pro-foreign na...
04:35.1
So sabi ko, sino bang gumawa?
04:37.0
Maganda pa naman yung pagkakakawa, pero yung substance.
04:41.5
Nakikipag-away sa mga hindi naman dapat awayin.
04:45.6
Baka double agent yung gumawa, sinabo tayo.
04:48.8
Hindi, reverse trap.
04:50.5
Kaya hugas kamay yung pan.
04:52.1
Yung mga talking heads.
04:54.9
Hugas kamay yung mga ilang congressman.
04:57.6
Tapos mismo yung nagsponsor na pirma dati.
05:03.9
Kukuha ka pa naman ng mag-sponsor ng Ed Sapuera ad na controversial na nga.
05:08.7
At ginawa mo pa yung dating pirma.
05:11.1
Sino bang gumawa niyan na sobrang politically sophisticated?
05:17.5
Hindi ko maunawaan kung ano talaga yung political objective.
05:23.7
Sabuhan lang yan.
05:24.8
Pero sa Ronald, tanungin mo lang.
05:26.5
Alam ko kasi it was a probe.
05:28.0
Alam ko hindi siya approved.
05:29.6
Pero it was a probe to start the ball rolling.
05:32.3
The probe exploded in their faces.
05:34.6
At nadama yung mga proponents ng People's Initiative na ayaw pang umamin.
05:41.2
Naalala mo Ronald yung ginawa ni Moca Uson na yung sayaw.
05:52.1
Parang sa tsyatsya.
05:57.2
I will grill mo na.
05:58.8
Bagay ka sa partner ni Moca Uson ah.
06:02.0
Kasi hindi yung kasama niya doon na sumasayaw.
06:04.3
Tagang bagyo rin yun.
06:05.8
Message na message na.
06:07.4
Ah, iloghanin ko pala.
06:11.3
Diba naalala mo na galit-galit si Coco Pimentel.
06:17.7
Yung mga proponents.
06:23.7
Oh my goodness, that was like, just when I thought that was like the lowest we could go.
06:29.8
Itong Ed Sepuera, medyo umabay ng konti doon eh.
06:34.1
Yung parang hindi pa nag-takeoff, nag-self-sabotage na kagad.
06:38.6
So I think, meron bang ganun dating panahon,
06:41.1
not itong mga ganitong mga sub-line na takeoff strategy,
06:44.9
yung acceleration, parang wala na, sumabog yung engine.
06:49.0
Pero ano naman, ano po kasi, yung nag-participate kami dyan,
06:52.6
yung wang-wang, not the wang-wang.
06:56.5
Kasama kami sa umupo dyan eh, with the Secretary Jimenez.
07:01.6
Iyon yung mga unang salbon ni Pinoy.
07:06.5
Na konkreto, makaka-relate yung mga tao,
07:12.7
pero at the same time, merong political agenda.
07:16.0
So iyon yung kwal.
07:17.5
Pero dapat kasi, hindi mo yan tinetest sa public eh, muna.
07:23.4
Ang FGD, para lahat ng mga positive na negative lumabas.
07:27.8
Ito parang tinest publicly eh.
07:30.3
Tapos yung binug mo sa pipiliin naman, sa dami naman ang pipiliin,
07:33.9
pirma pa yung kinuha.
07:37.9
Ang bilis daw nung ibang LG.
07:40.1
Kanina may kamaritest ako na medyo insider.
07:44.2
Wala bang ilang araw, andun na yung mga.
07:46.4
Sir, sir, ito yung pirma namin sa probinsya namin.
07:48.5
Nakare-ready na lahat.
07:49.6
Parang mabilis tumakbo yata ang panahon.
07:52.6
So I think some people thought they could just railroad this
07:56.5
habang lahat tayo busy sa UNITEAM
07:58.6
and yung mga conflagration and tambalos-los and all of that.
08:03.9
Ronald, before I go back to this PI na yan,
08:07.6
ano yung, di ba si Pinoy din was flirting with the idea of extending?
08:12.4
Or what was going on there?
08:13.8
Because we know, Ramos pa lang,
08:15.7
itong idea na parang hindi ako sure kung sapat ng six years.
08:19.4
So mga matitinong presidente, katulad ni Ramos or Arquina,
08:22.1
at least for me, hindi lang dahil nakadilaw ako.
08:25.2
I mean, Ronald, what is what you heard from President Aquino?
08:29.2
Ang alam ko, may isang interview siya with Rappler, si Natasha,
08:33.9
na sinabi niya na open na siya,
08:37.0
especially dun sa economic provisions.
08:40.0
Pero that was just one interview.
08:42.1
Kaya sabi ko nga sa mga kaibigan sa Rappler,
08:45.8
Never yan napag-usapan sa cabinet.
08:47.5
Never napag-usapan niyan in a smaller group.
08:49.7
Never napag-usapan niyan sa Liberal Party.
08:52.1
So there was no push.
08:54.2
Kaya pag sinasabi halimbawa nung si Bal sa Rappler
08:58.1
na lahat ng gobyerno since EDSA ay nagtulak ng charter chains,
09:05.0
Dahil hindi nag-push si Pinoy kahit nung height ng kanyang popularity.
09:09.4
It was just one interview.
09:11.5
Hindi yan napag-usapan sa cabinet,
09:14.0
hindi yan napag-usapan sa smaller group, sa Malacanang,
09:17.7
hindi yan napag-usapan sa political party or political coalition ng presidente.
09:22.1
Hindi yan kasi dapat pag-uusapan yan.
09:24.3
At ayaw galawin ni Pinoy yung konstitusyon ng kanyang magulang.
09:29.1
Nag-toy siya sa idea na baka pwede na hindi charter change.
09:35.1
In a way, ginagawa naman.
09:36.8
Meron kang public services law, meron kang create law, etc.
09:40.9
So kung yan ang target mo, yung economic,
09:44.4
may paraan para gawin yan na hindi mo i-overhaul
09:47.5
o hindi mo bubuksan yung Pandora's box.
09:52.1
Pero can you imagine, in one and a half years,
09:56.6
yung tatlong modes of changing the constitution were put on the table.
10:01.7
Constitutional Convention last year,
10:04.9
and in between yung dalawa na yan, yung CONASH.
10:10.4
In less than one and a half years,
10:12.4
tatlong modes ng charter change ay na...
10:18.0
Lahat na lang! Sige lang!
10:19.7
Anything you want.
10:22.5
Yung paborito mo, yung revolutionary government.
10:26.7
Alam mo, aminin natin, Ronald, may pag-asa tayong pumasok.
10:31.4
Either magulag tayong dalawa.
10:33.9
Nandun tayo sa loob.
10:35.5
Or pwede both, di ba?
10:37.0
First mapasok tayo, then first tayong dalawa.
10:39.7
Yun lang ang hindi ko naririnig ngayon, yung revolutionary government.
10:43.1
Namiss ko nga yun.
10:44.0
Namiss ko yung mga ganyan, mga kudeta, revolutionary government.
10:47.7
Ano ba yung sinabi ni Digong?
10:49.5
Pero kasi iba eh, parang hunta.
10:51.2
Even use the term hunta, di ba?
10:53.2
Na totally wala na siya.
10:55.2
Pero ako na, bilipak ko kay Digong, ha?
10:57.9
Hindi lang siya tayo nagiging icon ng press freedom sa SMNI.
11:02.7
Hindi siya ngayon ang icon of democracy.
11:05.7
Sabi niya, bakit gagalawin?
11:07.4
Bakit gagalawin niyang 1987 Constitution?
11:11.1
Ang ganda-ganda naman yan, no?
11:12.9
Biro mo, sabi ng isang reporter sa press ko niya,
11:16.0
di ba po balak niyo rin baguhin yung Constitution?
11:21.2
Changing the topic, toothpick siya, no?
11:24.7
Pero imagine mo, si Pulong, very self-righteous, di ba?
11:28.4
Very self-righteous.
11:29.1
Ano yung intervention ni Pulong?
11:32.5
Hindi, paano yun?
11:33.2
Dati nilang kaaway na naging kakampi nila, yung mga Nograles,
11:37.0
parang yun na nagtutulak ng people's initiative sa Dabao.
11:40.4
So threatened sila doon.
11:41.9
At namimilit daw ng signature, no?
11:43.8
Imagine mo, si Pulong, very self-righteous ngayon, no?
11:47.4
Biglang nagkaroon ng boses.
11:49.4
Yung Committee on Silence.
11:53.6
Pero parang yung, ano, yung, uh, uff.
11:56.6
No, I mean, parang alam ko, correct me if I'm wrong,
12:00.5
mamay, pag-usapan natin more than, may mga dilawan.
12:02.5
Pero wala man, never kita kinoporrect.
12:04.9
Hindi, hindi, hindi.
12:06.8
Kasi minsan, hindi talaga ako sure.
12:09.3
Most of the time, sure ako.
12:10.6
Pero minsan, hindi ako sure.
12:12.0
Hindi, may narinig ako na may mga dilawan daw na parang medyo nakikian sa kabila,
12:16.6
sa Duterte camp, to push back against itong chacha
12:19.5
kasi they see Marcos still as the...
12:21.2
Ito yung mga never, never Marcos type na dilawan.
12:24.3
Anong, may narinig ka bang ganyan na...
12:27.2
Kasi, ang question ko dito is,
12:30.2
do you think enough noise has been made for BBM to seriously not, uh, ano, this, or...
12:37.2
Ano ba talaga nangyari?
12:38.2
Is this Martin Romano's just doing his own thing again?
12:40.5
And, and, and BBM kinda just...
12:42.6
Ano ba talaga nangyari?
12:43.6
Yun yung kaibahan sa charter chains last year.
12:47.2
Paano na nip in the bud yung charter chains last year,
12:50.6
dahil, uh, sabi ng presidente, ay, uh, hindi niya priority,
12:55.8
hindi tama yung timing,
12:57.7
tapos, uh, totally nireject ni Senate President Subiri.
13:02.6
So, hindi siya naka, nakaabante.
13:05.4
Ngayon, uh, parang nasoffer na nila si Speaker Subiri yung kanyang objections,
13:11.6
baka merong binigay ng mga concessions na voting separately, no,
13:16.7
hindi i-dissolve yung Senate, no, etc., etc.
13:20.6
Si President Bongbong Marcos, mukhang may blessing na.
13:24.6
May blessing, no?
13:25.8
Kaya, uh, yun yung kaibahan from the cha-cha last year.
13:30.0
Ngayon, hindi ko alam kung kakayahan yun pa rin,
13:32.3
dahil, kulang sa palahon, eh.
13:35.2
Sa October, filing of candidacy na, eh.
13:37.6
Yun yung argument na, yeah.
13:38.3
Yung mga kandidato, no?
13:39.6
So, uh, tapos midterm na, next year, no?
13:42.5
So, I'm not sure kung, uh, mahahabol nila.
13:45.5
Ang alam ko, hinahabol yung signatures by next week, no?
13:50.6
So, after nung dadaan yan sa Comelec,
13:52.9
tapos may magsasampan ng kaso,
13:54.8
sigurado ko sa Supreme Court, like Christian Monsod, no?
13:58.4
Yung mga gumawa ng 87 Constitution,
14:00.9
uh, hindi ko sure kung ano magiging reaction ng Supreme Court
14:05.3
dahil karamihan dyan hindi appointed ni BBM, no?
14:11.3
But who may not necessarily be loyal to who appointed them before, too.
14:16.4
Yes, you know, I'm the same.
14:18.3
Pero, negosasyon pa yan.
14:20.6
Because, unlike other Supreme Courts, hindi naman ideological yung ating Supreme Court.
14:25.3
No, hindi silang nailagay dyan on ideological grounds, no?
14:30.4
Like US na more conservative versus...
14:32.5
Conservative, no?
14:34.2
So, yun yung, uh...
14:36.0
So, Comelec, na halos sigurado ko, mabilis na aaprubahan yung People's Initiative.
14:43.0
Tapos yung Supreme Court.
14:45.5
So, nagkuhan yan, ha?
14:48.4
Kukuha yan ng panahon.
14:49.6
Kukuha yan ng time.
14:53.2
They don't have the luxury of time.
14:56.7
Kasi, ang basa mo is, kung abot tayo ng 2026,
15:00.3
the conversation is already 2028.
15:03.6
And, parang, huwag na...
15:05.9
Tataya na tayo dun sa susunod.
15:07.9
Most likely, as things stand, it's still gonna be Sara or maybe Tulfo, kind of.
15:12.6
Yeah, whoever yung proponent nito, we'll go for broke.
15:16.5
We'll go for broke.
15:17.3
Pero, yung lagi natin binag-uusapan,
15:22.0
Eh, sabi ko nga sa isang interview ko kanina, sa isang tele-radyo,
15:25.9
dapat huwag matakot yung mga Duterte dito sa Chacha.
15:29.0
Dapat mas matakot sila sa ICC.
15:33.2
Baka mas mauna sa Chacha.
15:36.5
Pa-People's Initiative natin.
15:38.2
Pero, gagamitin nila ito, gagamitin nila ito as a target on the back of the President.
15:44.1
Gagamitin nila ito as a target on the back of the government.
15:50.6
Nabubuhay ng konti yung dating dormant EDSA crowd.
15:55.0
Dahil, medyo kiniskish yung mukha nila dito sa EDSA crowd.
16:01.2
Medyo nabuhayan sila.
16:04.4
Na hindi naman talaga bumabanat masyado, di ba?
16:08.5
Parang Richard Zaidarian, hindi masyado bumabanat.
16:13.2
Nagbilawan mo tayo.
16:14.4
Ako, si Ralph Recto.
16:15.0
May nag-comment ka dito, eh.
16:16.1
Oo, Ralph Recto, pinag-secretary mo.
16:18.2
Liberal Party natin ba?
16:19.6
Liberal Party natin.
16:24.1
So, medyo inapos ng political sabi yung EDSA puwera na yan.
16:30.1
Whoever yung gumawa niyan.
16:31.7
Kaya, hugas kamay yung mga proponents ng People's Initiative.
16:37.2
Kawawa naman yung...
16:39.6
Siyempre, may gastos yan.
16:43.1
Maganda pagkakagawa, eh.
16:44.7
Maganda pagkakagawa, eh.
16:46.6
kawawa yung gumastos yan.
16:48.1
Yun lang masasabi ko.
16:49.0
Now, of course, yung isang...
16:50.6
Committee on Silence.
16:52.1
Kamusta si Robin Hood Padilla, yung ating best friend?
16:55.1
O, yung swing-swing.
16:56.3
Dahil, nung una...
16:57.3
Anong drama niya?
16:58.3
Nung lumabas itong People's Initiative, parang amenable siya.
17:02.9
Pero after a couple of days, biglang kumontra na siya.
17:06.4
Siguro napagsabihan na, o napagalitan na.
17:09.0
Pero si Francis Tolentino, na member ng PDP Laban,
17:12.7
at kasama dyan sa grupo na yan, tahimik.
17:16.9
Pwede niya ng direksyon ng kanyang midterms plans.
17:20.6
Hindi siya sumama sa PDP Laban.
17:24.4
Pero paligan natin ito.
17:25.9
Anong ba sa tingin mo?
17:27.8
You think most of the time si...
17:31.1
Hindi kasi ganito eh, Ronald.
17:32.2
Again, I know your theory is like,
17:34.7
some big things wouldn't happen without the blessing from the very top.
17:37.8
But what I'm also getting from the ground,
17:39.8
and from the people who are also in the circles,
17:42.2
is that may mga times daw, the tail wags the dog.
17:45.2
Na may principal agent problem, di ba?
17:47.4
Na yung not necessary yung nasa Malacanang,
17:50.6
you know, aware or totally nag-oversee ng mga kung ano na dyan.
17:55.1
Like, for instance, I was told about the ABS-CBN issue,
17:57.8
na iba yung gusto ni BBM, iba yung gusto nung isa.
18:00.8
At mukhang nanalo yung isa sa issue ng ABS-CBN so far.
18:04.3
And then dito sa issue ng People's Initiative,
18:06.6
I won't be surprised that BBM was like,
18:08.7
vaguely involved there and not necessarily fully behind it.
18:12.5
So now that he's against it, I don't see that as totally insincere.
18:16.0
I think nag-get si BBM na mukhang sablay itong nangyari.
18:18.5
So he's not suddenly distancing himself.
18:20.6
Sir, kung yung mga public statements,
18:22.4
parang kumpara last year,
18:24.4
mas open siya sa charter chains based on the economic provisions.
18:28.4
Yun yung sinabi niya publicly.
18:31.4
Pero siyempre, bilang presidente at sa style of leadership ni President Bongbong Marcos,
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naglalagay din siya ng exit clause.
18:40.7
Palimbawa, katulad itong EDSA-PUERA,
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naging negative yung People's Initiative.
18:46.2
Kung sakaling hindi ito mag-succeed,
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ayaw naman niyang ma-identify sa isang failure.
18:50.6
Kaya pwede niyang sabihin,
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ay, hindi ko naman talaga sinuportahan yan.
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Open ako in principle.
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Plausible deniability.
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If I were the president,
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at ito yung style of leadership ko,
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ito yung personality ko,
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gagawa ko ng escape route.
19:07.7
Kung sakaling hindi ma-prosper,
19:09.6
o kaya ay magkaroon ng EDSA-PUERA incidents along the way,
19:14.6
ay pwede kong sabihin,
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ay, hindi ko yan sinuportahan.
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Pero tingin ko at this point,
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meron siyang blessing.
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Dahil sa kanyang mga public pronouncements.
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So parang blessing in principle,
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but on the tactics part...
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Di ba ba, hindi magsasoften yung Senate President
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nang hindi kinausap ng Presidente.
19:34.0
After nung kanyang very sharp press conference
19:38.3
against People's Initiative,
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at against PIRMA.
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Although yun nga,
19:43.0
I find the intervention by Mig Zubiri
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kind of parang desperate-ish.
19:48.4
di ba ang argument ni Mig Zubiri is that
19:50.6
parang tayo ng mga batas
19:51.5
dun sa revision of yung investment restrictions
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sa public services, et cetera.
19:55.5
So totoo naman, no?
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Actually, totoo naman.
19:57.4
And kulang lang yung implementing rules and regulations.
20:00.1
Nadidelay lang yan.
20:00.9
Pero hindi niya makontrol niya.
20:02.8
So parang point niya,
20:05.5
Parating na yung in-order natin yung kotse.
20:07.2
Mag-order na naman kayo sa ibang kotse.
20:09.0
May grab na parating, no?
20:10.6
Di ba? May grab na parating.
20:12.3
May grab food, no?
20:13.2
Nag-Uber ka na, di ba?
20:14.8
Parang relax ka lang, di ba?
20:16.4
Parang yun ang basa ko sa kanya.
20:18.3
So, it looks like...
20:21.1
But, see, you think Martin Romualdo is really, ano?
20:24.3
Iba kasi yung Senate.
20:25.4
Iba kasi yung Senate.
20:28.7
These are 24 separate kingdoms.
20:31.8
At karamihan sa kanila,
20:32.9
may planong maging vice or presidente.
20:35.5
Kaya binabalansin din yan
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ng leader ng Senate.
20:39.0
Ng Senate president.
20:40.1
Binabalansin din yan.
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At usually, ang away dyan,
20:43.4
yung voting separately
20:44.6
or voting together.
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nung nag-soften si Senate president,
20:50.6
si President Subiri ay
20:51.6
baka meron siyang nakukang kaunting concession.
20:55.5
pag nabuksan na yan,
21:01.4
Pwede na lahat mangyari.
21:04.0
dun yung reservation
21:08.8
kahit in principle,
21:09.8
sinuportahan niya yung charter change
21:11.5
ni Senate President Subiri.
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Dun yung reservation niya.
21:16.8
Ako, just to close this...
21:18.1
But then again, I may be wrong.
21:21.2
Observation sa vantage point.
21:22.2
Medyo conjectural tayo
21:23.2
at this point in time.
21:24.2
Humble enough to accept na
21:26.3
less educated conjecture, diba?
21:28.3
I think di bagay siya atin
21:30.4
Well, humble brag.
21:35.7
going back to this,
21:36.5
I wanna close this episode
21:39.7
kaya nga akong medyo slightly disagree sa'yo
21:41.9
the conflagration of unity
21:44.0
kind of direction.
21:48.2
you wanna avoid going for gold.
21:50.2
freezing the ISIS equation for a while.
21:53.0
if you wanna go against the Dutertes,
21:54.4
you wanna make sure you have the guy
21:58.6
from any retribution in the future.
22:01.3
tao na nagpo-position
22:02.9
na mag-succeed sa kanya
22:04.4
ay napakababa yung approval rating
22:06.5
at ngayon mukhang
22:07.4
sumabla yung kanyang
22:09.0
initiative to change the constitution
22:10.6
at mukhang yung plans for being a prime minister
22:12.4
are not looking as
22:14.6
certain as before,
22:17.0
doesn't that put pressure on BBM
22:20.8
with the Dutertes
22:22.5
the ICC question comes up
22:24.5
or until he feels,
22:26.2
maybe someone like Tulfoy is around
22:27.6
that he can support
22:28.5
and then he can put,
22:30.4
there's no reason for BBM
22:31.9
to go all out against the Dutertes
22:34.3
he has someone he can trust
22:36.4
and to protect him in the future
22:37.6
just in case may retribution
22:38.7
from the Dutertes
22:42.5
it's about trust eh.
22:46.5
mapagkakatiwalaan mo ba si Tigong?
22:51.5
kay Richard Hedarian.
22:53.7
Gusto ko siya makausap
22:59.2
may minimum naman na
23:06.0
with a lot of salt.
23:08.6
hindi naman nag-scale down
23:09.9
yung mga bloggers.
23:12.1
Si ex-human rights lawyer,
23:15.9
ang kanyang statement
23:18.9
Magpa-blood test,
23:23.5
Tapos si Maharlika
23:25.9
na na-investigahan
23:26.8
yung pulburon video
23:31.4
after nung presko ni Tigong,
23:32.7
hindi nag-scale down.
23:35.6
bumabalat si Pulong,
23:39.2
hindi ko nakikita
23:40.9
hindi ko nakikita
23:41.7
yung scaling down
23:42.6
from the side of the Duterte.
23:44.7
At kahit medyo tahimik
23:51.2
halos sigurado ko,
23:53.8
they're not taking this,
23:55.1
they're not taking this
23:58.2
hindi sila nagtitiwala,
24:03.2
na after midterms,
24:04.8
kung malakas pa rin
24:07.6
there's no question about
24:09.1
the Duterte protecting BBM.
24:11.2
They will destroy them
24:14.7
hindi variable yun.
24:17.0
Yung issue na yun.
24:20.8
wala akong nakikitang
24:24.5
ex-human rights lawyer,
24:26.3
magpa-draft test daw
24:30.1
nag-freelancing yung mga yan.
24:32.0
Walang coordinating
24:35.9
maganda kasi sa engagement nila.
24:40.0
Pag binabanatan nila
24:44.7
like mga followers.
24:46.5
I know many people
24:48.0
just for entertainment.
24:51.2
we're over-reading.
24:53.9
Pero may kwanya rin.
24:58.3
Economic determinism.
25:00.5
may pinanggagaling.
25:06.4
yung mga vloggers,
25:15.6
malaking kita mo yan
25:16.7
pag mata sa engagement.
25:25.0
who will blow the wind.
25:32.2
Wala akong sinabi.
25:36.9
kasi banat dito sa akin.
25:38.7
nagkakomment sila
25:39.5
kung nag-usap kami.
25:41.8
Siguro in the future
25:42.6
mag-RRB na rin tayo.
25:46.8
or something like that.
25:53.8
to the next episode.
25:55.1
Pag-usapan naman natin
25:59.3
Kakabalik lang niya from
26:01.3
ikaw lang nakabalik
26:04.3
just before he goes
26:07.0
So pag-usapan natin yan.
26:09.0
Very interesting country.
26:10.4
may experience din ito
26:12.2
Thank you very much
26:13.9
for this episode.
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Secretary Liamas.
