00:25.2
Ang katulad mo, nasalay na sa jet lag.
00:27.0
Ako, paminsa-minsa lang ako buhang biyahe.
00:30.0
Sir Ronald, alam mo, pwede matulog sa traffic sa Pilipinas ngayon.
00:35.0
Kasi worst traffic on earth, sabi ni Coldplay.
00:38.5
According sa Coldplay Analytics.
00:41.3
Ayan na naman tayo.
00:44.0
So, ito, bago tayo mabash na, sabihin naman nila, inaibler tayo ni BBM.
00:48.3
Bash muna natin si BBM.
00:50.3
Itong pagpunta ni BBM dyan sa concert na yan,
00:53.3
sabi niya something like, pinag-aralan daw niya ang musika.
00:58.8
Parang ano talaga, passion.
01:00.0
In fairness, si Lord Devera, yung common friend natin, could attest to that.
01:04.5
Sabi niya nga, di ba meron siyang show dati ni Lord Devera, yung dalawa sila ni Bayaw, na nakakatuwa.
01:11.0
Parang in-interview niya ata si BBM doon.
01:13.3
Tapos si BBM, may mga alam siya ng mga geeky na, alam mo, yung mga soul jazz, underground, London.
01:20.6
Yung mga ganun daw, next level daw yung knowledge doon eh.
01:23.5
Hindi ko naman palawan doon eh.
01:25.0
Oo, sa YouTube siguro yan.
01:27.5
Yung mga tipong...
01:28.5
Kaya ako, hindi ako katulad mo.
01:30.5
I'm a Neanderthal eh.
01:32.5
Hindi ko pala mapalawad yung Coldplay eh.
01:34.5
Alam mo naman ako, mat Monroe at saka Frank Sinatra.
01:40.5
Yan yung aming mundo.
01:42.5
Hindi ako katulad nyo eh.
01:44.5
Hindi ako nga, di rin eh. Tony Bennett lang ako.
01:48.5
Okay, Tony Bennett, Lady Gaga.
01:50.5
Yan ang mga gusto natin panoorin yan.
01:52.5
Ito, ito, ito, ito, ito.
01:54.5
Bonsu ko nga, Big R, kumakanta ng Ben & Ben eh.
01:56.5
Sabi ko, sino yun?
01:58.5
Ang alam ko lang Ben & Ben music yung sa Robinsons.
02:03.5
Hindi ko alam kung saan na.
02:05.5
Mamabatch na naman tayo.
02:10.5
Pero, two sides yan eh.
02:12.5
Yung controversy toko sa chopper.
02:16.5
Dahil, yung presidente usually may protocol yan eh.
02:20.5
Dahil yung kanyang public saka private life, hindi naman magkahiwalay eh.
02:25.5
Tukoy yung security niya, pareho.
02:28.5
Eh kung gumagamit siya ng chopper sa public life, eh pwede siyang gumamit sa private life.
02:34.5
Kaya ang issue na lang dyan ay self-regulation.
02:38.5
O yung sabi ng iba ay delikadesa.
02:42.5
Dahil, alam mo ah, si Pinoy, kahit malate sa meeting, hindi siya maguwangwang.
02:47.5
Kahit malate, kailangan siyang late sa meeting.
02:50.5
So may cost din eh.
02:52.5
Meron din cost yung pagiging...
02:54.5
Kung pagkakaroon ng delikadesa.
02:57.5
So tama si Jokoy. Naguwangwang daw si Jokoy nung nasa Sabusha.
03:02.5
Para hindi malate.
03:04.5
Kaya pala, late para din si Pinoy.
03:06.5
Nakalala ko isang picture sa ASEAN.
03:08.5
Siya yung huli na nakaganyan. Alam mo diba sa ASEAN nagaganyan ka.
03:11.5
Kung ikaw daw yung huli, lalagay ka dun sa ano, na may imaginary friend na gano'n.
03:16.5
Baka ba't yung abroad daw, nalalate daw eh.
03:19.5
Kaya sometimes, even delikadesa has a price.
03:25.5
Kaya yung mga iba't tao ay mix yung pagsusuri, mix yung pagtingin dyan sa nangyari.
03:35.5
Dahil na as a president, talaga may mga protocols ka.
03:39.5
Pero kung meron kang delikadesa, iiwas ka masyado na ma-emphasize yung iyong difference as a head of state sa karaniwan tao.
03:50.5
Well, I mean, not sure about delikadesa nowadays.
03:53.5
Especially after six years of Duterte.
03:55.5
Pero posh naman eh.
03:57.5
Travel diplomacy, posh diplomacy,
03:59.5
Waldorf, mga gano'n naman daw.
04:03.5
Parang Richard Cedar kung bumiyakin.
04:06.5
Ayan na naman tayo eh.
04:08.5
Pero walang chopper.
04:10.5
Cedar yun, wala pang Uber chopper.
04:12.5
E toto to Sir Ronald, let's go to the politics.
04:14.5
Ang dami naman nagbabayas sa akin ng mga ka-DDS.
04:17.5
Natutuwa dapat sa akin kasi ayoko rin sa chacha.
04:21.5
Hindi, balikan natin ito sa Ronald ah.
04:23.5
Sabi ko, kasi mga DDS, pinagtatawanan si BBM dito sa worst traffic in the world.
04:29.5
Eh sabi ko, itong worst traffic in the world, matagal na yan eh.
04:32.5
Tsaka last time I checked, si BBM, one and a half years pa lang more or less.
04:36.5
Eh si Digong, six years nga.
04:38.5
Naalala mo pa yung isang officialist ni Digong.
04:41.5
Huwag na natin pangalanan masyado.
04:42.5
Sabi niya, by 2022, all cities in Manila will be connected to each other within 20 to 30 minutes.
04:50.5
Mas verbatim ko yung sinabi.
04:52.5
Yung sinabi ng minamahal natin na ex-secretary na ngayon ay nasasenado na.
04:59.5
At eto, at parati binabash kayo.
05:01.5
Kayo daw ang pinakamay kasalanan.
05:03.5
Aquino administration.
05:04.5
Dahil late daw kayo, nagsimula ng mga proyekto.
05:07.5
Which I think is kind of correct in terms of like 2014 pa lang nagsimula yung mga big projects.
05:11.5
Anong take mo dito sa traffic, CarMegadon?
05:15.5
Actually, hindi. Dahil BDR.
05:18.5
Nasa record dyan eh.
05:19.5
Sino ang pinakamaraming ginawang kalsada?
05:24.5
Way ahead ang Pinoy government.
05:26.5
Ang problema lang sa Pinoy government, hindi na-project yun.
05:29.5
Pero nasa record dyan, pinakamaraming nagawang kalsada.
05:33.5
Ang problema natin ay paano i-cut yung supply ng sasakyan.
05:38.5
So yun yung problema, yung volume.
05:41.5
Ang ginagawa sa Singapore, dinataasin yung taxes.
05:44.5
Para hindi ganun karamihan bibili ng private vehicle.
05:47.5
Ina-develop yung mass transportation.
05:50.5
Ang problema, minsan kulang ka sa budget.
05:53.5
Pero on the record, ang gobyerno na pinakamaraming ginawang kalsada ay si Pinoy.
05:59.5
Hindi naman sa pagbubuhat ng sarili ko.
06:03.5
Kasi ang baba nung...
06:04.5
Hindi, in fairness, I just want to be fair to Duterte administration.
06:07.5
Particularly, dating budget secretary natin si Jock, dating finance secretary ngayon.
06:13.5
In fairness, parang halos dinoblen niya, di ba?
06:15.5
Yung infrastructure spending and share of GDP.
06:18.5
Parang ang late nung spending pa noon ni Pinoy.
06:20.5
Wala akong nakita ng record.
06:22.5
Ang alam ko, karamihan ng kanyang projects ay nagsimula sa Aquino government.
06:26.5
Yung mga sinasabi ng DPWH secretary, oh ginawa namin ito, ginawa namin ito.
06:31.5
Most of them started nung panahon ni Pinoy.
06:35.5
Pagkatapos nung Pinoy-Litigon.
06:36.5
Parang yung limang Coast Guard vessels na ni-negotiate namin sa France, dumating dito.
06:45.5
Pero dumating siya 2016-2017. So alam claim yung Duterte government.
06:51.5
Pero ilang taon namin nilegotiate yun.
06:53.5
Dinribe ko pa nga yung isa eh.
06:56.5
Kaya minsan dahil lalo na si Pinoy ayaw magbuhat ng sariling bangko nung ex-president na siya, di ba?
07:04.5
Ay hindi na-emphasize yung mga ganyang mga baga.
07:08.5
Isa pa, delikatesa na naman. Yan ang cost nun, di ba?
07:11.5
In an era of credit grabbers and self-proclaimed...
07:14.5
Sa inyong araw ko, yung build-build-build eh.
07:19.5
Eh yung dalawang build doon ang galing sa Pinoy government.
07:23.5
Yung isang build lang ang talaga sa Duterte government. Pero lahat in-lame.
07:28.5
Yung tatlong build-build-build.
07:31.5
Kinala ko pala naman kung sino yung nag-invento niyang slogan na yan.
07:36.5
Eto, balikan na lahat na lang. Tatlo na lang. Build-build-build, drugs-drugs.
07:42.5
Baka time na para i-correct yung record. Ito yung nangyari noon, ito yung nangyari ngayon.
07:50.5
Hindi naman para lang magyabang. Pero nakakaasar lang na ito yung mga sinasabing...
07:56.5
O, yung mga credit grabber.
07:58.5
O, nakakaasar talaga.
08:00.5
Huwag naman natin masyadong bastusin yung pumalaw ng presidente.
08:06.5
Kaya ako, yun ang mga sigurado ko.
08:10.5
Ang problema, hindi masyadong pinroject, hindi masyadong pinropaganda.
08:17.5
At yung karamihan ng mga projects ng build-build-build, nagsimulado sa Pinoy government.
08:23.5
And yung subway na matatapos under BBM, part of it, kasi 2025-2026.
08:28.5
Ang MOU na yan, MOA pala, sorry, na-sign ni Shinzo Abe sa Manila nung APEC Summit with Aquino, Pinoy.
08:36.5
Again, alam ko magka-credit grab ang DDS kay BBM.
08:39.5
Maglalabanan ng credit yung dalawa na yan.
08:41.5
But actually, the heavy-duty legwork...
08:44.5
Kasi guys, isa sa mga pinakamahirap na part sa mga malalaking proyekto na billion-billion ang pinag-usapan at isang dekada ang pinag-usapan,
08:53.5
yung feasibility studies, yung memorandum of agreements, yung legwork ay napakamahalaga.
08:59.5
So, yung alam, yun nga yung, I think that's where it's not getting credit also, yung legwork of getting big projects going.
09:06.5
In spite of that, kumpara mo yung mga loads.
09:08.5
Kumpara mo yung mga loads na inutang nung panahon ni Pinoy at yung loads nung panahon ni Duterte.
09:13.5
Ang layo. Kahit marami siyang nasimula ng infrastructure, yung utang ay maliit.
09:20.5
Kumpara halimbawa sa Duterte government na mas malaki pa dun sa utang nung nakaraang 35 years.
09:27.5
Kumbaga maraming angulo yan eh na kailangan mong tignan. Yan ang sinasabi.
09:34.5
So, I completely agree with you.
09:36.5
I had a conversation with the late president a few years ago.
09:39.5
Panahon ni Digong yan eh.
09:42.5
And one of the things I said is, ang kailangan natin ng leaders is sometimes you have to be more Berlusconi than Merkel.
09:50.5
If I can put it that way.
09:51.5
More, you know, self-promoting, medyo sometimes even edyo clownish ng konti minsan.
09:57.5
You know, relatable, kalog, ganun.
09:59.5
Kasi ang sense ko kay Pinoy, I know many people don't know that.
10:02.5
Pero parang feeling ko ina-idol niya yung mga German leaders, no?
10:05.5
Yung mga above the fray, technocratic, very statesman-like.
10:10.5
Am I right? I'm sure you know more than me.
10:12.5
But yun ang narinig ko na yun yung mas mold of leadership na he appreciates.
10:17.5
Dan yung mga tropical, Latino, Italiano, self-promotional, populismo.
10:22.5
Which is exactly what Duterte did to the Philippine politics with the Law of Political Success.
10:26.5
What is your read on that?
10:28.5
I mean, or correct me?
10:29.5
Very populist, tapos may authoritarian leanings.
10:34.5
Ibang-ibang si Pinoy. Dahil siya ay very democratic, tsaka very modern.
10:43.5
Alimawa, isang incident yung sa benefits ng mga senior citizen.
10:48.5
May nag-propose from his own party na dagdagan ng 2,000 pesos.
10:56.5
Sabi niya, okay yan, makakakuha tayo ng support sa mga seniors.
11:01.5
Pero magkocollapse naman yung SSS. Dahil magpupunta yung malaking bahagin doon.
11:09.5
Hindi lang naman seniors ang beneficiaries.
11:12.5
Ikalawa, ay yung long-term viability masisira. Kaya alam ko, in-increase kalahati, 1,000.
11:19.5
Ibig sabihin, ayaw niyang manahin yung susunod na gobyerno yung ginawa niya nung siya ay presidente.
11:26.5
Alimawa, almost 1 trillion yung savings na binigay niya sa next government.
11:29.5
Alimawa, almost 1 trillion yung savings na binigay niya sa next government.
11:30.5
Alimawa, almost 1 trillion yung savings na binigay niya sa next government.
11:31.5
Si Digong halos zero yung binigay niya na savings. Puro utak.
11:36.5
Negative ang binigay niya kay BBM. Ang laking negative.
11:41.5
Medyo up for a look si Pinoy. Tinitignan niya yung viability.
11:44.5
Ayaw niyang ubusin yung pera during his watch. Kaya concerned siya doon sa mga susunod.
11:50.5
At ayun, it wasn't popular but it was wise. Iyon yung problema.
11:57.5
Yung mga sumunod ang hahabol, popular.
12:00.5
Pero kahit kakaroon ka ng problema sa fiscal side dahil sobrang daming benefits yung binigay mo.
12:09.5
Alimawa, sa mga pulis at militari, not that they are not deserving. Pero kailangan mong pag-aralan yung viability doon sa kwento.
12:18.5
Tapos ngayon, si Diokno sinasabi ay fiscal crisis, fiscal crisis. Nandun siya sa gobyerno na gumawa nun.
12:26.5
Nag-double, triple ng gano'ng klaseng sahod at saka benefits.
12:30.5
Ang kaibahan ni Pinoy, tinitignan niya hindi yung what is popular. Tinitignan niya is also what is viable for succeeding governments.
12:38.5
Kaya eh pagkausap ko naman siya, ayaw. Sabi ko, boss, kailangan natin ipaliwanag ito. Boss, kailangan natin linawin yung mga nilawan natin. Ayaw niya noon. Dahil ayun nga eh, may delikadesa.
12:52.5
Ang tingin niya, as an ex-president, ayaw na niya mag-fun, i-emphasize yung kanyang mga nagawa.
13:00.5
Pero yun na Ronald, I think the Duterte era really exposed the weakness of that kind of approach to politics.
13:10.5
Kasi hindi naman siya sekretary, hindi naman siya professor, technocrat, presidente ka. So clearly there is an element of carnivalist politics.
13:18.5
In fact, I believe is yung Daan Matuwid, yung corruption ng...
13:20.5
I believe is yung Daan Matuwid, yung corruption ng...
13:22.5
I think that was a form of populism in the sense that you're simplifying a very complicated issue na anong talagang ugat ng problema sa ating economic development.
13:30.5
But yun nga eh, is there a world... I mean, how can you have the best of both worlds? Is techno-populism the way forward?
13:38.5
I mean, something like, again, I'm not sure how successful it is, but if you look at yung case ni Macron in France, di ba?
13:45.5
Meron siyang technocratic na may mga pa-sosyal-sosyal siya, pero may pagka-populist din siya.
13:50.5
Lalagay siya ng bata na LGBT.
13:52.5
May LGBT na prime minister.
13:54.5
Magpo-forma-forma siya.
13:56.5
May branding talaga siya eh.
14:00.5
Can you bring the two together?
14:02.5
It's about the right balance. Dahil wala ka lang magagawa eh.
14:06.5
The populist ethos ay part na ng political culture.
14:10.5
Hindi lang dito sa Pilipinas, kundi sa buong mundo.
14:13.5
So kailangan mo rin siyang i-factor in sa iyong political narrative.
14:20.5
Ang problema, kung ikaw ay naniwala mismo dun sa gano'ng klasing populism, or in another word, sa gano'ng klasing propaganda,
14:30.5
at nakalimutan mo yung mga, yung claims o yung needs ng modernity, that you have to establish strong institutions, no?
14:39.5
Na hindi lang yung mga, parang carnival. Ang carnival kasi punta sa isang lugar, tas sa ales. Di ba?
14:47.5
Parachute lang, parachute. Parachute in and out.
14:49.5
Parachute yung mga tao, tas sa ales. Yun naman yung weakness ng carnival.
14:54.5
Nagpapasaya ka at a particular moment, no? Pero at the same time, aalis. Ano yung iiwan?
15:00.5
Yung mga modern leaders, no? Kailangan malinaw ano yung iiwan. Ano yung mga institution?
15:07.5
Usually mga populist, winawasak yung institution eh. Di ba? Pero wala namang ipinapalit.
15:13.5
Di ba? Kaya pag-alis nila...
15:16.5
Hindi lang vacuum. Magkikita mo yung distraction.
15:21.5
Distraction ng mga institutions. At wala namang ipinalit.
15:24.5
I think si Randy David, the term he used was bonfire of institutions. Yung talagang susunugin mo lahat ng institutions. Yun yung mga usual legacies ng mga populist or incompetent leaders.
15:36.5
But itong episode na ito, before we close this episode and go to the other interesting episodes. Kasi itong issue ng credit grabbing, traffic, lahat yan related eh.
15:46.5
I mean Ronald, what happened to the so-called yen?
15:48.5
What happened to the so-called yellow army? I wanna ask you a question about it because I know one of the big propagandists of Digong and now I think with the current admin, I think affiliated siya sa yellow army.
15:59.5
And if I'm not mistaken, the troll army master ni Digong noong 2016. Alam ko naman siya niyan, si Mr. G.
16:05.5
May ano daw yan mga...
16:07.5
There was supposed to be this kind of a yellow army, this kind of a... hindi naman chavismo style of populism but at least kind of a information warrior effort.
16:17.5
Para ma-highlight yung mga legit ng gains ni Aquino. And at the same time of course defending him against pro-China elements, pro-Arroyo elements, pro-Arap elements.
16:27.5
Siyempre na marami din kalaban si Pinoy. Do you think that's a right way forward? And in a way kasi ang bahasa ko is parang Digong did what the yellow army was supposed to do when the whole DDS troll blogger machine was created.
16:41.5
What do you know about that or what are you willing to share on the record?
16:44.5
Well, big R. Ako yung head ng pulis.
16:45.5
Well, big R. Ako yung head ng pulis.
16:46.5
Ako yung head ng political affairs.
16:48.5
Exactly. Kaya tinanong kita.
16:50.5
Kasama dyan ay links sa mga members at sene. Kasama dyan yung sektoral links. Kasama dyan yung special concerns. Kasama dyan yung political intelligence, etc.
17:03.5
I'm not that intelligent pero hindi ko mahanap yung sinasabing yellow army.
17:09.5
Na talagang isa pa niyan. In a way, for lack of a better alternative.
17:14.5
Parang yung mga brown shirts ni Digong.
17:17.5
Ang idea mo, solini na yun.
17:19.5
Merong malino ang mga framework.
17:23.5
Magpapakamatay para sa leader or sometimes even papatay para sa leader.
17:30.5
Yung mga gano'n. Brown shirts, black shirts. Hindi ko nakita yung yellow army na yun.
17:35.5
Meron pang mga movements, meron pang mga clusters. Middle class, meron pang mga gano'n sa youth.
17:42.5
Pero hindi naman yan.
17:44.5
Pero hindi naman yan kinonsolidate into brown shirt army or a black shirt army ni Mussolini.
17:50.5
Dahil mismo yung personality ng presidente, mismo yung kanyang ethos, kontra ron.
17:55.5
Alam ko may isang friend doon nag-propose sa kanya ng gano'ng klaseng konsolidasyon.
18:01.5
Na nakatali sa kamay na bakal.
18:02.5
Parang kilala ko yan.
18:04.5
Na nakatali sa kamay na bakal.
18:06.5
Parang kilala ko yan.
18:07.5
I have two words eh. Hindi ko nakikita kung sino yan.
18:09.5
Mga paingin ng adapter please sa room.
18:12.5
Kailangan mo naman ito sa kamay na bakal dahil maraming masyadong kaaway yung lipunan.
18:16.5
Masyadong maraming kaaway yung Estado.
18:19.5
Yung charger na malaki ng adapter.
18:22.5
Mga reactionary elements, mga crime lords, etc.
18:26.5
Mga dynasties, mga warlords. Para yan aywasakin.
18:30.5
Para maging talagang ma-reforma yung lipunan.
18:33.5
At magkakaroon ng border na lipunan ay kailangan mawala yung mga yan.
18:38.5
We will never become a nation.
18:40.5
Habang yung mga yan ay nandyan.
18:42.5
Pets, oligarchs, warlords, private armies, warlords, etc.
18:50.5
Pero nagtatago yan sa likod ng rule of law.
18:55.5
Nagtatago yan sa likod ng mga legitimate institutions.
18:59.5
Binibiling korte, binibiling judges, binibiling police.
19:03.5
Mga limawa, weteng, nagtatago sa loto.
19:08.5
Yan yung legal pero yung nasa likod niya ay mayroong mga shady characters.
19:16.5
Pinupo siya kay Pinoy sa isang meeting.
19:18.5
Sabi niya ay hindi na pwedeng gawin yan.
19:22.5
Dahil pinapanood siya ng kanyang mga magulang.
19:26.5
At pinapanood siya ng kanyang mga magulang kung dapat gagawin niya yung what is democratic, what is humane, what is decent, etc.
19:38.5
Eh yung kanyang political affairs hindi naman decent.
19:42.5
Hindi naman masyadong humane, etc.
19:47.5
Kaya, in any government, kaya kailangan may bad cop, may good cop.
19:53.5
Kaya Ronald, do you think there was a lack of ruthlessness?
19:56.5
Because I mean, if you want to get good things done, I hate to use this term.
20:00.5
Don't you think kailangan natin ng good Machiavelli once in a while to use my favorite professor's term?
20:06.5
Dahil inaway, inaway.
20:08.5
May nag-propose sa kanya ng term extension.
20:10.5
Salamat ma. Thank you.
20:11.5
May nag-propose sa kanya ng term extension.
20:13.5
Dahil sa atin yung nag-propose ay hindi sapat ng six years para magawa mo yung gusto mo.
20:19.5
At yung sinuggest yan, nasa height pa sa kanyang popularity.
20:23.5
Tinanggihan niya yan.
20:25.5
Tinanggihan niya, ayaw niya yan yung term extension.
20:28.5
Ikalawa, may nag-suggest sa kanya na durugin yung mga kaaway.
20:36.5
Durugin yung mga kaaway.
20:40.5
Ire-invent, magre-reincarnate yung mga yan.
20:44.5
Tapos, wawasakin na naman yung bansa.
20:46.5
Hindi niya ginawa yun.
20:48.5
Dahil nga sa kanya, yung rule of law is not an artificial construct.
20:55.5
Para sa kanya, yung rule of law ay essential.
20:59.5
Kahit hindi mo siya magamit laban dito sa mga masasamang elemento ng lipunan,
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pag ginamit mo yan, pag ginamit mo yung rule of law at mabago yung rule of law,
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then hindi na yan yung essence ng rule of law.
21:17.5
You open a can of worms also.
21:20.5
It could be a very dangerous slippery slope.
21:23.5
A very dangerous slippery slope.
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Or the means should justify the end.
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Kaya hindi ko alam yung tamang balance.
21:33.5
Or the means should not poison the end.
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Because sometimes if you use bad means to get an end, it could poison it.
21:40.5
Kaya nga I love that term na to get a fried chicken, you don't have to burn down the hen house.
21:46.5
Kunin mo lang yung chicken, lutuhin mo sa oven.
21:49.5
Huwag mo i-burn down yung buong hen house para makuha mo.
21:52.5
Sabi nga lang isang paborito mo na ideologue.
21:56.5
Sometimes, to cook an omelet, you have to break some eggs.
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Ayan na naman tayo kay Lenin.
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Omelet ano na naman.
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To cook an omelet, you have to break some eggs.
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Hindi ko sinasabi na dapat yung presidente ang gagawa nun.
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Pero dapat may mga ilan na... baka yun yung sinasabi mong ruthlessness, Machiavellian,
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Good, good Machiavellian.
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Tapos yung gagawa niyan, we need to follow the sword.
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Kung halimbawa mabigo.
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Pero dami na natin pinuntahan.
22:32.5
Actually, hindi lang dami. Medyo delikado na.
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Medyo... I'm worried where this is going.
22:38.5
Baka mabuking tayo, Ronald.
22:40.5
Yung isang mga... yung unang mga interview sa akin, ginawa ko yun eh.
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O yung mga TikTok. O yung mga TikTokers.
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Lumabas na yung pagka-Lenin mo, pare.
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Nabuking ka, comrade.
22:54.5
Pero hindi na democratic framework.
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Ayan tayo eh. Ayan yung mga palusot.
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A strong activist state. Diba?
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A strong activist state.
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So we need a benevolent, not so dictator.
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Kasi every time we get dictator, hindi benevolent eh.
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So benevolent Machiavelli.
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I think that's the term. We need a benevolent Machiavelli.
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Pwede ka magkaroon ng strong, firm, ruthless leader within a democratic framework.
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Dahil to destroy those warlords, to destroy those private armies, kailangan mo ng kaunting ruthlessness.
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Lenin eh. Hindi Leni.
23:32.5
Ayan naman. Nag-comment yung mga nasa... Leni daw.
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Hindi. Lenin. As in Lenin ng Soviet Union.
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Iyan na naman tayo sa mga ka-DDS natin ha.
23:43.5
Nag-jump na naman sa kanilang dictionary.
23:47.5
Malaga lang naman. Alam na nila kung anong sinasabi nila.
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Oo. Yun lang. Yun lang.
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Kala ko pa naman mag-Gramsci na tayo. Biglang back to Lenin na naman tayo.
23:55.5
Biglang nililita. Difference sa Leni.
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Soviet na daw si Leni.
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Sige. Si Leni. Red tag na nila. Walang yan.
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Never mind. Forget about what I said.
24:05.5
Si Jefferson Davis ba yun? Sabi...
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Ayan na naman tayo.
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With reasonable men. With honorable men, I will reason.
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With humane men, I will plead. But with idiots and dictators, I will give no quarter. No mercy.
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Ayan natin. Sabi, don't throw pearls at the pigs. Diba? Oo. So, yun na lang. Okay.
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Alright. Maraming salamat. God bless you, Sir Ronald Llamas.
24:35.5
Papunta naman tayo sa... Papunta pa lang tayo sa exciting part.
24:38.5
I think... I think kailangan ko na magsulat ng libro na yun yung title.
24:42.5
Papunta pa lang sa exciting part.
24:45.5
Kasi ito na provoked mo ako eh.
24:48.5
Nabooking kita eh. Ayan. Nabooking nga naman yung pagka Lenin mo. Lenin. Lenin.
24:53.5
Ayan naman. Maretag na naman tayo.
24:55.5
Salamat, Sir Ronald. Fantastic discussion. Medyo delikado pero okay rin.
25:01.5
Okay. Ito na. Ito na. Ito na.
25:04.5
Okay. Ito na, Sir...
25:06.5
Ay. Wait lang. Mali. Na-excite masyado.
25:10.5
Ayun na naman tayo pag na-excite.
25:15.5
Okay. Ito na. Ito na. Uminit ng discussion.
25:18.5
Kanina traffic pinag-uusapan. Uminit na ulo natin. Yung mga nagka-cold play dyan.
25:22.5
Ito na. This is it.
25:24.5
Sir Ronald, I think it goes back again dun sa debate natin.
25:29.5
I think you were implying that the Tamba-Los-Los thing is reaching a point of potential no return or it has actually crossed it.
25:37.5
But can we also argue that yung mga recent na nangyari may show that actually things are moving in the other direction.
25:44.5
In a sense, ganito ang thesis ko ngayon.
25:46.5
Actually, hypothesis ko is mukhang nag-overreach yung isa dyan.
25:50.5
Nag-overreach, galit ng lahat ng Senado sa kanya.
25:53.5
So the Senate just came out with this huge statement.
25:56.5
Buong Senado. I think sama pa dyan si Robin Udenol.
25:59.5
Ay nag-oppose dito sa P.I. na ito ng People's Initiative.
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Mga DDS lumabas dito alaban dun from Alvarez to Polong.
26:08.5
And then, of course, andyan rin mga Christian Monsod.
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And you know, all the quote-unquote yellow people behind the 90s.
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So nagsama-sama lahat na against dito sa P.I. move na ito.
26:18.5
And even though nagsabi ng Speaker of the House na ay wala, hindi, okay na yan.
26:22.5
We know that behind the scenes, there's still efforts.
26:25.5
Si Joyce Alceda pa may sinabi na around June or July, may effort to push for a referendum or something like that.
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Nakonfident sila, they may get the 12%.
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Don't you think nag-overreach yung isang side?
26:36.5
And that the Duterte side, perhaps, is leveraging yung backlash to its own advantage.
26:43.5
And hence, that will be our next episode.
26:45.5
We see again this statement, this hedging by BBM on the ICC issue.
26:49.5
But before we go to the ICC, pag-usapan natin itong sinasabi nyo.
26:52.5
Alvarez na tamba, los-los initiative.
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Ibang klase talaga yung mga taga Mindanao pag nag-away-away talaga.
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Hindi daw P.I., T.I. na daw. Anong take mo sa T.I.?
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Well, una, may iba-ibang panto eh. May iba-ibang angles.
27:09.5
Halimbawa, itong anti-people's initiative, mayroong effort dyan yung mga Duterte.
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For their own reasons.
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Sila ngayon ang defender ng 1987 Constitution.
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Sinubukan din nilang baguhin during their watch.
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For six years! For six years they tried.
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It's about politics. Kaya gusto ko rin ipaalala na itong mga to ay naisbaguhin yung Constitution during their watch.
27:37.5
Kaya i-expose naman yung hypocrisy.
27:40.5
Ikalawa, ito yung mga talagang consistent na. Yung mga pink, yellow, etc. Middle class, youth.
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Na ang tingin nila ay hindi ganun binabago yung Constitution overnight.
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At you don't throw the baby with the bathwater. Hindi mo tatanggalin yung mga positibo kasama yung mga negatibo.
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While recognizing that the Constitution should be a live document na kailangang i-review at baguhin.
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Based doon sa iyong mga kasalukuyang mga problema.
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At saka mga future aspirations.
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Ay kailangang ihanda.
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Information, education. Ikalawa, political at saka economic reforms.
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So it doesn't happen overnight.
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At ikatlo, yung Senado which is protecting its own Bible, its own institution.
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Existential risk na ito. Existential na.
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Oo. May mga overlap yan. Especially the opposition in the Senate.
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The administration.
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At yung mga paurong lumang-protect.
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So may mga overlap yan.
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Pero tignan lang natin yung spectrum.
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They're not the same.
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They're not the same kahit nagpo-oppose sila pare-pareho.
28:59.5
May hypocrites, may survivalists, tapos mayroon talagang mga idealists.
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And opportunists.
29:06.5
But it's the cumulative effect, right?
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Nung nagsama silang lahat, yung ingay, I think was strong enough to make BBM at least try to wash off his hands.
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And now, I won't be surprised if BBM behind the scenes tells his cousin,
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baka gusto mong medyo mag-relax yan kasi this is getting, medyo umiinit na masyado.
29:26.5
I mean, don't you think baka nag-overreach si Speaker?
29:31.5
Parang dalawa naman yung nakalatag na form para baguhin yung konstitusyon.
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Last year, yung CON-CON. Ngayon, yung People's Initiative tsaka yung CON-AS.
29:43.5
Ang problema, yung People's Initiative,
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nakatikit doon yung CON-AS according to their terms,
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which is the Senate and the Congress voting as one.
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Doon nag-react yung Senado.
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Yung statement na nilabas ng Senado ay primarily galit nila sa People's Initiative.
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Galit nila, naantingin nila ay hindi lamang bababuhin yung economic provisions,
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hindi lamang possibly bibigyan ng lifting of term limits yung mga supporters nito.
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Kung hindi, baka tanggalin yung Senado, gawing unicameral yung bagong political system
30:29.5
na pwedeng gawin pag nabuksan yung Pandora's box dahil meron kong plenary powers.
30:34.5
So doon sila galit na galit. Parang iniisahan sila. Parang ini-style bulok sila. Doon nangyayari.
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Ikaw naman Richard, kabisado mo sila.
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I-style bulok. Pinagawa mo rin yan pa minsan-minsan.
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Ayan na. Laglagan mo naman, comrade.
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Comrade, ito! Ito! Ito! Ito! Ito!
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Doon nagkakalit ng Senado, kumabasahin mo yung pala.
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Kumabasahin mo yung statement nila.
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Kung kakausapin ko yung iba sa kanila, eh galit talaga sila.
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Burn bridges na yan. Burn bridges na talaga.
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Lalo yung mga wala pang 3 years.
31:09.5
Yung iba kasi pa-retire na rin eh.
31:11.5
Pero yung I think Cynthia, Grace po.
31:13.5
Paalis na sila. Pero yung iba, fresh sila dyan.
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Pero nakakaasap lang na yung mga ibang nandun sa resolution na yan ay sobrang ipokrito.
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Parang sila yung defender ng democracy.
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Hindi ko naman nilalahat. Pero yung mga iba na nakapirma doon weakens the resolution.
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Weakens the position. Bakit?
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Dahil hypocrite sila eh.
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Kumirma sila sa isang resolution na basically ina-advocate na huwag sirain yung checks and balance,
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huwag sirain yung democratic ethos, etc, etc.
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Pero buwisit. Eh yung mga yale, nung panahon nila sila yung gustong mag-revolutionary government,
31:59.5
sila yung balak overnight mag-shift ang federal system, federating warlordism, federating...
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Buto nila lang hindi natuloy. Diba?
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Oo, malapit na eh.
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Ang mga kalimutan, itong mga elements na ito, kahit halimbawa sama-sama silang nakapirma sa resolution.
32:16.5
Buti pa nga si Robin Hood pa din eh. Diba?
32:19.5
Nag-gets niya yung nangyari kasi. Nag-gets niya.
32:22.5
Nag-abstain siya. Eh baka mas kwan yun. Mas hindi hypocrite.
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Eh yung iba mga hypocrite, mga hypocrite to. And I will tell that to their faces.
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Sige, pangalanan na natin. Joke lang.
32:35.5
Sir Ronald, ito. Last point on this episode.
32:37.5
Before we go dun sa mga favorite topics natin, SMNI at saka ICC. Diba?
32:41.5
Kasi may mga movements din on that front as we speak. Balikan natin ito.
32:46.5
Do you think there's a chance na maybe Martin Romualdez is over, you know, he's having an overstretch here?
32:53.5
That he may have, you know, gone over the line a little bit here or may have misread the situation
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and there could be a correction accordingly?
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Don't you think na may konting element na gano'n na baka naman nag-overreach din siya?
33:06.5
Could be all of the above. Dahil hindi naman bago yung kanilang klase mga conflicts saka contradiction.
33:12.5
Eh lahat naman ng charter chains na bigo eh. Diba, hinarang.
33:16.5
At isa sa mga crucial elements dyan ay yung relasyon ng Senado doon sa Kongreso.
33:23.5
Whether voting separately or voting together. Kaya pwede ka namang natutod doon sa nakaraan eh.
33:30.5
Pwede ka namang nagkaroon ng lessons eh di sa mga...
33:33.5
Strategic learning, yeah.
33:36.5
Sa palahon lang naman yung Pinoy walang tsatsa eh. Diba?
33:39.5
Nung palahon niya eh, yun lang walang tsatsa.
33:42.5
All governments meron eh. So pwede kang matuto.
33:46.5
Dapat nag-re-calibrate ka based doon sa gano'ng klase mga lessons.
33:52.5
Pero at this point hindi pa naman tapos eh. Kahit medyo uphill ngayon yung people's initiative,
33:59.5
kahit nakabawa sa kanila itong kumpulito mong TV ad, yung...
34:06.5
Parang maganda na lesson yan eh. How not to make an ad.
34:10.5
Oo, medyo nandun na siya sa hall of fame, hall of fame.
34:13.5
How not to make an ad, no? Why agitate everybody, even your possible allies, no?
34:19.5
Why create enemies, no?
34:22.5
Pero hindi naman tayo nagugulat dahil marami naman talagang idiots dito sa ating political system, no?
34:29.5
Ang sinasabi ko lang ay pwede pa siyang mag-re-calibrate.
34:35.5
Pero ano mo Richard, ang crucial dito is the president. Diba?
34:39.5
Who's the cousin? Who's the first cousin of this...
34:42.5
Ano ba yung kanyang didiinan?
34:44.5
Ano sa statement naman niya kumpara last year, no?
34:48.5
Last year talagang nilaglag niya yung kon-kon.
34:53.5
Ngayon sinasabi niya, no? Sinasabi niya kailangan ng charter change.
34:58.5
At nag-open siya sa change of the political system. Diba? Sa statement niya.
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O, pwede yan. Pwede yan.
35:06.5
Nag-hedge din siya. O, nag-hedge din siya.
35:09.5
Pero for the first time, in-open niya. Diba? Sinuportahan niya ang charter change. Basically focused on economic provisions.
35:18.5
Pero sinabi rin niya na open siya sa pagbabago ng political system.
35:24.5
So he is creating a permission structure, to use the technical term around it. And that's very important.
35:29.5
Last point before we go to...
35:31.5
Speaking of, you know, interesting stuff.
35:34.5
Last point. Do you think na Martin Romualdez is safe?
35:38.5
Because for the foreseeable future, meaning we can anticipate him to still be the speaker after the elections next year.
35:44.5
Kasi diba meron tayong kasaysayan na papalit-palit ng speaker. May Kupa against Alvarez noon.
35:48.5
Yung Powerpuff Girls. The whole drama.
35:50.5
So we had the recent memory. Ang gulo nung speaker position. Diba?
35:54.5
Wala na yung mga The Venezia na for life speaker. Or Ramon Mitra. I mean...
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Do you think we're going back to that? That kind of like...
36:03.5
Romualdez can still be like the The Venezia of our era?
36:06.5
Kind of a long-term...
36:08.5
Tingin ko as a speaker, medyo secure siya hanggang the midterms. Diba? Hanggang...
36:13.5
At tingin ko, paano nag-a-aspire lang naman ngayon na rival niya si GMA eh.
36:18.5
Tingin ko hindi...
36:20.5
Hindi ayan ni GMA napalitan siya speaker.
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Lopsided masyado.
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At wala mo nagkikita sa horizon pa.
36:29.5
Na nag-a-aspire to be speaker maliba kay GMA.
36:32.5
So kung si GMA lang yan, kaya yan yung speaker ng Romualdez.
36:36.5
Dahil the power of the incumbent.
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The huge resources, the huge political power nung presidente at nung kanyang official family.
36:47.5
So yung sa tanong mo, tingin ko for now, hanggang the midterms...
36:53.5
So kaya nga ang argument ko here is if the Dutertes can recalibrate, so can he.
36:57.5
If they can recalibrate, so can Martin Romualdez.
37:00.5
So welcome to politics. Diba?
37:01.5
It's a very dynamic field.
37:03.5
May strategic learning din itong mga kaibigan natin.
37:07.5
Kung makikita mo, parang style bulok din tong mga Duterte.
37:11.5
Sabi ni Sarah, tatakbo siya sa midterms.
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Wait, wait. Ano na yan? Next episode na yan.
37:15.5
Anumawa lang. Anumawa lang ang mga recalibration na pinag-uusapan natin.
37:19.5
Merong recalibration na seryoso.
37:22.5
Merong recalibration na...
37:24.5
Signaling talaga. Oo.
37:25.5
Anong pinag-uusapan natin kanina? Carnival.
37:27.5
Bardagulan. I think the technical term is bardagulan.
37:33.5
Salamat, Sir Ronald.
37:35.5
That was good. That was good.
37:36.5
That sets the tone perfectly for favorite topic and favorite channel niyo.
37:40.5
Kanina biglang nahuli ko may nanonood ng SMN9 dito.
37:43.5
Wait lang. Anyway, balikan natin ito.
37:45.5
Pag-usapan natin ito. Salamat, Sir Ronald Llamas.
37:48.5
Thank you very much for joining us.
37:50.5
Okay. Ito na. Ito na.
37:53.5
Alright. So after weeks of silence...
37:57.5
May statement ba yung mga Duterte sa West Philippine Sea?
38:00.5
Medyo bagong taon na.
38:01.5
Mag-February na. Wala pang...
38:05.5
Yung ASEAN na nga. May statement na nga.
38:07.5
Yung pinaka-notorious na organization.
38:09.5
Talo pa nilang ASEAN pagdating sa silence, diba?
38:12.5
Sa China-related issue.
38:14.5
But ito, ito, ito. Pag-usapan natin ito.
38:16.5
Biglang may nagpaparinig na tatakbo na for the presidency kasi duh.
38:21.5
I mean, if a vice president says, I'm running in the next elections, obviously.
38:25.5
Alangan tatakbo ka for what, diba?
38:26.5
I mean, naturally, you're looking for presidency.
38:29.5
Talawa lang yan. Either Congress or Senate, diba?
38:31.5
Well, Congress is the arroyo. I think she's not there yet. I think she's still doing well enough.
38:36.5
Is this a way of saying, hey, we're still relevant. Don't mess with us.
38:40.5
We're still here. We're still gonna fight this. And, you know...
38:44.5
Ako tingin ko, Big R, mas pan eh.
38:47.5
Yung ganong klaseng carnivalesque.
38:50.5
Yung ganong klaseng style bulog.
38:53.5
Is trying to send a message na pwede kaming hindi-threat.
38:58.5
Pwede kaming hindi-threat. Pwede ako mag-step down as vice and not become a standard bearer or contender for 2028.
39:08.5
Parang nagitanong message na baka pwede tayo mag-usap. Dahil bahagi nung awal...
39:15.5
So ito yung re-calibration na sinasabi ko.
39:17.5
Oo. Hindi exactly re-calibration.
39:20.5
Sa akin kasi, Big R, ang re-calibration.
39:23.5
Mas seryoso eh. Mas seryoso.
39:25.5
Ito mas propaganda eh.
39:27.5
Katulad ng sinasabi ng mga Duterte.
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Hindi kami tatakbong Mayo.
39:31.5
Hindi ako tatakbong Presidente.
39:33.5
Tatakbo akong Senador.
39:35.5
Confuse the enemy.
39:37.5
Confuse the enemy.
39:39.5
And confuse yourself.
39:41.5
Na-confuse din sila kaya hindi tumakbo si Sara eh.
39:43.5
For me, it backfired.
39:45.5
Sa sobrang gulo ni Tatay nung 2021, hindi nagkaroon ng mobilization behind Sara.
39:52.5
Hindi kong disiplinado siya.
39:54.5
Sara na dapat eh.
39:56.5
Yun talaga, Big R, hindi usapin ng strategy. Usapin niyo ng away.
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It's a family feud.
40:02.5
It's a family feud.
40:04.5
Ngayon kasi, nagsasama sila ulit based on a strategy.
40:08.5
Tingin ko sa ngayon, gumagawa sila ng framework, compilation ng strategy at saka tactics.
40:14.5
Based sa reading nila sa landscape at reading nila sa kanilang potential na enemy or actual na enemy.
40:20.5
And pag-rinig nila sa R&R.
40:22.5
And based sa kanilang listening to R&R analysis.
40:26.5
Nung panahombak silang 2021-2022, talagang malalim yung away ng mag-ama.
40:33.5
Pero ngayon, existential yung isyo eh.
40:36.5
Nandun sa kanto na lang yung ICC eh.
40:39.5
Sa kanto na lang eh. So iba ito eh.
40:41.5
Kaya kahit masama ang loob nila sa isa't isa, kahit masama ang loob ng tunay na anak, dun sa peking anak ng kanyang kapwa,
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Anak ng kanyang tatay.
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Peking anak pero closer sa tatay.
40:53.5
Kahit masama ang loob niya ron, di ba nababagasin yung pangalan sa iyo?
40:56.5
Ayan na naman tayo ron. Papamak mo kami eh.
40:58.5
O wala akong alam diyan.
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Rona, that's on you.
41:02.5
Ayoko pumasok sa mga family feud na yan.
41:06.5
Ngayon, it's about survival.
41:08.5
Ngayon, it's existential.
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Ngayon, it's about open warfare.
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So baka pinapaabot nila, oh negotiable kami.
41:15.5
Huwag na lang papasokin ang ICC.
41:18.5
Kung kami, hindi na kami threat, hindi na kami rival, hindi na kami contender.
41:28.5
Dahil baka tumakbo na ako as congressman or senator.
41:32.5
Ngayon, ibang usapin kung maniniwala yung other side.
41:36.5
Ayan na naman tayo.
41:38.5
Hindi naman gano'ng Katarino like Richard C. Darrell.
41:41.5
Ayan na naman tayo.
41:42.5
Pero hindi naman kasing bobo ni Ronald Llamas.
41:46.5
Pero si Ronald Llamas, maraming intelligence yan.
41:50.5
Maraming marites.
41:52.5
They should take this, itong fillers na ito.
41:57.5
They should take this, ang tawag ni Digong, indirect fillers.
42:03.5
With tons of salt.
42:05.5
Not only with a grain of salt.
42:08.5
With a bodega of salt.
42:10.5
Pulvoronic salt. Pulvoronic salt.
42:14.5
Isang kilo ng pulvoronic salt.
42:16.5
Hindi na naman papahamak sila eh. Diba?
42:18.5
Papahamak sila dyan.
42:20.5
Dapat hindi nila kagad paliwalaan.
42:23.5
Yung Richard pwede nilang paliwalaan.
42:25.5
The sun also rises.
42:27.5
Pwede nilang paliwalaan yun.
42:31.5
Yung itong fillers niya.
42:33.5
I'm comfortable with the president.
42:35.5
Wala yung pulvoron na video na yan.
42:38.5
Wala yung ICC na yan.
42:40.5
At yung vice president willing tumakbo.
42:43.5
As senator or congressman.
42:45.5
Para mawala yung threat ng 2028.
42:50.5
Eh yung Richard at saka yung Ronald.
42:53.5
Eh hindi naman sila gano'ng kagaling.
42:55.5
Pero hindi naman sila basta-basta mariniwalaan.
42:58.5
Hindi tayo mga ututs.
43:00.5
Hindi tayo basta-basta dyan.
43:07.5
Ang sabi dyan ng aking bunso.
43:12.5
Okay. Okay. Okay.
43:14.5
Tapos na tayo sa sana all episode.
43:16.5
Let's go to the last most important episode.
43:18.5
Kasi sorry Ronald.
43:19.5
May isa pang R na favorite ko si Ruben Carranza.
43:22.5
Kailangan natin ng triple R soon.
43:24.5
At kaapon pinag-usapan natin ng ICC.
43:27.5
And I wanna also talk about SMNI with you very soon.
43:30.5
So maraming salamat dito sa Sara all episode natin na enjoy ko.
43:35.5
So hindi ito recalibration. Ano lang yan?
43:39.5
Recalibration iba yung style bulok.
43:41.5
Bar the ghouls lang yan.
43:43.5
Salamat sir Ronald Yamas.
43:44.5
Thank you very much.
43:46.5
Okay. Ito na. Ito na.
43:51.5
Sir Ronald Yamas.
43:52.5
Doon sa isang vlog natin recently with the other R.
43:54.5
The biggest of R.
43:56.5
Si Ruben Carranza.
43:57.5
Pinag-usapan natin ng ICC.
43:59.5
Of course yun yung bread and butter niya.
44:00.5
Yun yung talagang ano niya.
44:02.5
Dealing with international.
44:03.5
Ano kakakata ko yung bread and butter?
44:09.5
Let me delete that.
44:21.5
Kasama natin isang araw.
44:22.5
Hindi lang small R.
44:24.5
The biggest of R.
44:25.5
Ito si attorney Ruben Carranza.
44:26.5
Pinag-usapan natin.
44:27.5
Very serious issue.
44:29.5
Nakapunta yung usapan sa case ng South Africa.
44:30.5
In light of what's happening in Gaza.
44:31.5
Yung pagsali ng Bangladesh.
44:35.5
Pero yung isang episode natin was on ICC.
44:36.5
Now this is where.
44:37.5
Medyo skeptical siya sa ICC na yan.
44:38.5
Kasi sa tingin niya.
44:39.5
May politika din itong isang ICC.
44:41.5
At medyo skeptical din siya kay Karim Khan.
44:43.5
Kasi I didn't know.
44:44.5
Apparently si Karim Khan was defended.
44:47.5
Yung isang notorious Kenyan vice president dati na ngayon presidente.
44:52.5
Doon sa isang massive pogrom na nangyari sa elections nila before.
44:55.5
So he's quite skeptical sa ICC.
44:58.5
And even ito yung mga pronouncement ni Senator Trillanes.
45:03.5
About the warrant of arrest in the pipelines.
45:06.5
But of course I understand where's he coming from.
45:08.5
I think he's been doing it.
45:09.5
He's been dealing with so many issues at the international level.
45:11.5
Humanitarian issue.
45:12.5
Very depressing issue.
45:13.5
There's still conflict in Ethiopia.
45:15.5
Ang dami pa nangyari mga conflicts around the world.
45:17.5
So I think it was a very sobering conversation.
45:20.5
Pero balikan natin itong issue ng ICC na ito.
45:24.5
Which is I've been saying all the time.
45:27.5
Playing safe na naman siya.
45:29.5
We will not stop the ICC from coming in.
45:31.5
But we will not also lift a finger to help them.
45:34.5
Which is the classic BBM way of having it both ways.
45:37.5
By not doing it either way.
45:38.5
What is your read of that?
45:41.5
Well tingin ko ay it's a combination of outward posturing.
45:48.5
And at the same time giving himself an escape from that posture.
45:54.5
Plausible deniability.
45:55.5
Kasi kung magbago yan overnight or over time.
45:58.5
Eh pwede niyang sabihin.
46:00.5
Sinabi ko naman na papapasok.
46:02.5
Parang Ronald Llamas yan ha.
46:04.5
Pag either way may analysis siya.
46:09.5
Habang may ganyan siyang posturing.
46:13.5
Yung kanyang mga.
46:16.5
How do I call it?
46:18.5
Yung kanyang mga.
46:22.5
Yung kanyang mga kaibigan.
46:23.5
Ayan na naman tayo.
46:26.5
Yung kaibigan ni BBM na nakausap nung pumasok ng ICC.
46:32.5
Inamin din naman niya na may nakapasok.
46:37.5
We were watching them.
46:43.5
Confirmation na yan.
46:45.5
Confirmation na yan.
46:46.5
Hindi niya pinigilan.
46:47.5
Yung mga pumunta roon para kausapin.
46:52.5
Hindi niya pinigilan.
46:54.5
Merong great game eh.
46:57.5
So the smaller game is happening.
47:02.5
Behind the scenes.
47:04.5
Kung alam mo yung nangyayari behind the scenes.
47:08.5
Baka hindi ka masyado skeptical.
47:11.5
Kasi may political aspect din.
47:15.5
Tama naman itong problema rin.
47:16.5
That the possibility na it goes a different way.
47:23.5
Nandun naman lagi yan.
47:24.5
Yung ganyang possibility.
47:26.5
Dahil itong mga institution naman na ito ay hindi immune sa politics.
47:34.5
I think his point really is just you know like curb your enthusiasm.
47:37.5
Do not raise the expectation right away.
47:40.5
Which is what I've been saying.
47:41.5
They also have to do their own political calculation.
47:43.5
They're not gonna issue a warrant of arrest kung walang cooperation.
47:46.5
May muntang nga sila.
47:48.5
They cannot also do that.
47:54.5
I agree with that.
47:55.5
Huwag mo naman masyado.
47:56.5
Pero yung nagtataas kasi ng ante ay kausap niya pareho.
48:02.5
Kakausap niya yung pinaka major decision maker.
48:05.5
I mean Trillianes.
48:08.5
Ayoko na kumbagitin.
48:09.5
Kakausap niya yung ICC.
48:12.5
Alam ko na nakakausap niya yung...
48:16.5
Informed naman si Sen. Trillianes on these issues.
48:20.5
For now, I'm more skeptical.
48:21.5
For now, I'm more optimistic.
48:24.5
Like you're more leaning on something is gonna come rather than ay wala lang yan.
48:28.5
Mati-dribble lang yan.
48:31.5
Punti akong preview doon sa ginagawa.
48:35.5
At walang nagsabi na,
48:37.5
Oh, tigil na yan.
48:42.5
Sa ibang proyekto.
48:43.5
Wala akong alam na ganun.
48:45.5
May silent complicity.
48:47.5
May silent complicity.
48:48.5
All hands on deck pa rin.
48:52.5
Kahit meron kang public posturing,
48:53.5
based sa iyong personality as a conflict averse.
48:58.5
Based doon sa binabalance mo.
49:01.5
Yun yung nakita kong kaibahan mula sa position ng gobyerno early this year.
49:06.5
That totally hindi pa pupasukin.
49:09.5
Totally walang...
49:10.5
Hindi naman talaga kailangan ng coordination dahil umalis na tayo eh.
49:15.5
Wala na yung bansa.
49:16.5
Wala na yung gobyerno sa ICC.
49:18.5
Kaya pwede mo i-justify, no?
49:20.5
Na hindi naman kami talaga magpo-coordinate.
49:25.5
What they're saying is the threshold...
49:26.5
Pumasok ng ICC nito.
49:27.5
Tama rin naman eh.
49:29.5
Pumasok sa gobyerno.
49:30.5
Ba't hindi nakakausapin yung gobyerno eh?
49:32.5
Wala naman sila sa ICC.
49:33.5
Ginausap nila yung mga abogado, yung mga biktima ng UJK.
49:36.5
Yun ang ginausap nila.
49:38.5
Mamaya dahil yung gobyerno naman hindi kakakausapin dahil hindi na sila membro eh.
49:43.5
Pero ano yung pinakamahalaga?
49:48.5
Yun yung major na difference mula doon sa gobyerno.
49:50.5
Without harassment, without anything.
49:54.5
Kaya may ikwan dyan, degree area.
49:56.5
Pag pinapasok ba sila...
49:57.5
Halimbawa mag-serve ng warrant yung Interpol, no?
50:01.5
Ay hindi ba isisecure ng gobyerno yung peace?
50:05.5
Hindi ba nila poprotectahan yung mga yan?
50:07.5
Bahagi ba yan sa not lifting a finger?
50:10.5
Paano masisira si BBM kung may mangyari doon sa mag-implement?
50:14.5
Baka parang peacekeeping mission lang.
50:16.5
Yung andun ka lang, hindi ka pwede magbarel.
50:18.5
Literally, you don't lift a finger but you're protecting.
50:21.5
Preserving the peace.
50:23.5
Hindi mo papayagan.
50:25.5
Kaya may mapahamak ito mga kapapa.
50:27.5
Pinayagan mo na pumasok.
50:29.5
Ngayon, poprotectahan mo ba yung mga pumasok?
50:32.5
Tingin ko hindi yung kasama doon sa not lift a finger.
50:35.5
Yung iniisip niyan, not lift a finger ay mas in relation doon sa legal case.
50:41.5
Hindi yan trabaho ng gobyerno.
50:43.5
Dahil wala na kami.
50:46.5
Pero pag pinapasok mo ito, parang nagpapasok ka ng mga turista,
50:50.5
poprotectahan mo yung mga turista.
50:52.5
Hindi mo papayagang i-kidnap yan.
50:55.5
Hindi mo papayagang pa niyan i-ransom yan.
50:58.5
Hindi mo papayagang yan ay sakta ng mga criminal elements.
51:03.5
Hindi ko sinasabi na yung mga Duterte ay criminal elements.
51:07.5
Wala kong gano'n sinasabi ha.
51:09.5
Wala ka naman talagang sinasabi ever since si Ronald.
51:12.5
Wala kong gano'n sinasabi ni Ronald.
51:14.5
Parang halimbawa lang.
51:16.5
Okay, perfect. I think that sets the tone for final part of our discussion.
51:22.5
Because that's the communications power of SMNI.
51:24.5
Power of a certain camp. Diba?
51:27.5
And mukhang may indefinite suspension which is something close to medyo pinapasara na ba?
51:32.5
Pag-usapan natin in our final short episode.
51:35.5
Thank you very much, Sec. Llamas.
51:43.5
So before pag-usapan natin itong SMNI indefinite suspension.
51:47.5
Parang ang dami mga ano rin eh.
51:49.5
Suspension, indefinite suspension, abrogation.
51:53.5
Bago tayo pumunta sa gradiation ng ginagawa sa SMNI.
51:56.5
Sabi ni Senator, yung mga nagsicheer daw sa ICC.
52:01.5
Mag ano daw kayo, kumanta kayo ng national anthem ng Pilipinas ng isang libong beses kasi hindi kayo makabayan.
52:09.5
You're against the sovereignty of the Filipino nation.
52:13.5
Anong masasabi natin kay Mr. West Philippine Sea?
52:16.5
Mr. Very Maingay for our interest against China na very silent during the government.
52:21.5
Anong masasabi natin dyan kay Sir Bato?
52:27.5
Anong sinabi niya? Sinabi rin niya.
52:29.5
The government should be man enough.
52:33.5
Magkakalalaki ang gobyerno at sabihin sa akin ng diretsyo.
52:37.5
Kung talagang ako ay papayagan nilang kunin ng International Criminal Court.
52:43.5
So maraming mga sinasabi si Senator Bato.
52:49.5
Bakal mo naman yung pangalan niya, si Bato.
52:52.5
Parang medyo off.
52:55.5
Parang dapat kasi mabrief muna yung mga magiging senador.
53:01.5
Kung ano yung rules tungkol sa mga treaties.
53:04.5
Ayan na naman tayo.
53:05.5
Parang hindi naman sila nakakahiya pag nagsalita.
53:08.5
Well that assumes mahihiya ka sa buhay.
53:11.5
Oo, parang ako nagpapanggap ako ng may alam sa batas kahit ako ay hindi abogado.
53:16.5
Pwede naman magpanggap yung mga senador.
53:19.5
Pero mismo yung pagpapanggap, kinakailangan mo ng intelligence.
53:25.5
Anong hirap magpanggap kung hindi ka intelligent.
53:28.5
So pwede ka naman magpanggap na nangunawaan mo up to a certain point.
53:32.5
At least pretend.
53:34.5
Ano bang ibig sabihin ng treaty?
53:37.5
Kailan ba tayo hindi bound ng treaty?
53:40.5
Pinawasak ba ng treaty ang ating sovereignty?
53:43.5
Alimbawa extradition.
53:49.5
Ibig sabihin, may mga kriminal na hindi tayo maglilitis.
53:53.5
May mga kriminal na sila yung maglilitis.
53:56.5
Kabawasan ba yan sa ating rule of law?
53:59.5
Kabawasan ba yan sa ating judicial system?
54:03.5
Kaya nga yan ang paglabag sa ating sovereign aid.
54:06.5
It has nothing to do with that.
54:08.5
Ang mag-iisip lang ng ganyan ay idiots.
54:11.5
Or baka talking points lang naman nila yan.
54:13.5
Ibig sabihin na idiots yung mga kasenador ha.
54:15.5
Sinasabi ko lang ang mag-iisip na yan ay paglabag sa ating sovereignty.
54:18.5
Treaty na bahagi ng ating rule of law.
54:24.5
Bahagi ng ating responsibility sa international community.
54:28.5
Dapat maulawaan mo yan as a senator.
54:33.5
Tayo, hindi naman tayo senador, hindi naman tayo mga abogado.
54:37.5
Baka pwede tayong magkamali.
54:39.5
Pero yung senador, huwag naman siyang magkamali.
54:42.5
Natatawagin niya, paglabag sa sovereignty.
54:46.5
Itong treaty na pinirmahan natin ng ICC.
54:49.5
Baka benta yan sa base kasi nero.
54:51.5
Alam naman, who cares about truth na ganyan.
54:54.5
Ito kasing ICC, mga imperialista.
54:57.5
Pero ang China, love na love natin ng China.
55:01.5
Kahit yung ginagawa nila sa atin sa West Philippine Sea.
55:04.5
Tignan mo naman kung ano yung composition ng ICC.
55:06.5
Hindi naman yung mga imperialista.
55:08.5
Well, speaking of...
55:10.5
Patulad ng China, they're not out to get our territory.
55:14.5
Katulad ng West Philippine Sea na mas malaki pa sa ating entire landmass.
55:20.5
Or pagbubuli sa ating mga mga isda, wala naman nila ng ICC.
55:24.5
Baka palakpakang pa kita.
55:29.5
Baka manatan mo yung isang institution na bahagi tayo, member tayo.
55:35.5
Kahit umalis na tayo ngayon.
55:37.5
Ngayon sinasabi naman nila, yung ginagawa ng Supreme Court,
55:41.5
na sinabi ng Supreme Court na,
55:43.5
ang ICC may jurisdiction sa Pilipinas.
55:47.5
Kahit umalis na tayo.
55:49.5
Anong sinasabi ngayon ng DOJ?
55:51.5
Wala naman yun eh. Opinyon.
55:53.5
That's just an opinion eh.
55:57.5
Yan yung sinabi ng Supreme Court.
56:00.5
Lahat ng mga kwan nag-agree na may jurisdiction.
56:03.5
Opinyon lang daw yan.
56:05.5
Sabi nila, wala naman yung kwan eh.
56:07.5
Wala nga yung strength of law.
56:09.5
Yan ang tinatawag na isip Duterte.
56:12.5
Isip Digong, isip Digong.
56:14.5
Now, speaking of talking points,
56:16.5
which is what I think Bato is doing and all of that.
56:19.5
Let's talk about SMNI.
56:20.5
So may indefinite suspension na ito.
56:23.5
So as far as the Congress, certain powers that be,
56:26.5
and crackdown on this, some say,
56:29.5
purveyor of fake news, disinformation, and destabilization is concerned.
56:32.5
Mukhang tuloy-tuloy pa rin ng laban.
56:34.5
So we went from one month suspension to indefinite suspension.
56:37.5
So, but yung mga shows ni Tatay Digong hindi na natin mapanood.
56:40.5
Ronald, paano na yan?
56:42.5
Bull Jack TV lang mapanood ko, hindi na si Tatay.
56:45.5
Mga reportage ng SMNI.
56:49.5
Gusto ko marinig.
56:51.5
Si President Duterte, ex-President Duterte.
56:55.5
Pero, pinaka-simple na yan dyan eh.
56:58.5
Ang tawag ng aking panganay dyan eh.
57:00.5
Ito hindi lang mabunso, panganay.
57:02.5
Ang tawag ng panganay ko dyan,
57:05.5
Ka-arma, yan ang kwan.
57:07.5
Or sabi nga ni Harry Roque,
57:08.5
nung tinanggal yung franchise ng ABS-CBN,
57:11.5
karapatan ng kongreso yan.
57:18.5
Yung mga sinasabi niya, itapat mo sa sarili niya, diba?
57:20.5
Sinasabi ni ex-human rights lawyer Harry Roque ay,
57:24.5
walang karapatan ng kongreso para tanggalin, no?
57:27.5
Para ang franchise ng SMNI, no?
57:32.5
Maganda nga na ilabas mo yung kanyang parehong statement eh.
57:37.5
Hindi, ang daming pwede i-mix.
57:38.5
Diba yung mga sinabi niya kay Digong nun,
57:40.5
nung 2016, na si Duterte ay ganyan-ganyan,
57:42.5
tapos ganyan-ganyan yung spokesman.
57:44.5
Talagang si Harry Roque ay isang verb.
57:46.5
Hindi ako magugulat.
57:47.5
Dahil ang trabaho ng mga spokesperson ang magsinawaling eh.
57:50.5
Lalo na kung yung spokesperson mo, abogado pa.
57:53.5
Lalo na kung yung abogado mo ay ex-human rights lawyer.
57:58.5
Gets mo, no? Gets mo, no?
58:03.5
siyempre, ibang kaso yung SMNI, no?
58:06.5
Pero nakita ka mo naman yung hearing ng Congress kahapon.
58:09.5
Yung mga babae na nag-testify.
58:13.5
Mga minors na sila.
58:15.5
Ito yung kay Sen. Riza Ontiveros, diba?
58:17.5
Yung kay Quiboloy. Medyo next level na yan.
58:21.5
Isang kwanya na isang pakete yan eh.
58:25.5
Yung pagdikit-dikit na yan.
58:27.5
Hindi ganun kadaling ihiwalay.
58:29.5
Of course, legally, kailangan mo ihiwalay.
58:31.5
Pero politically, alam mo naman na isang pakete yan eh.
58:36.5
Ito yung nangyari kahapon sa hearing.
58:39.5
Yung testimony nung babae na ginahasa daw siya nung siya ay minor pa lang.
58:47.5
At maraming katulad niya yung ginagawa yan.
58:50.5
Yan ay hindi mo pwede sabihin na kwain lang yan.
58:54.5
Black propaganda.
58:55.5
Very particular eh.
58:57.5
Pati yung kanyang toothpaste.
59:00.5
Parang pinakinggan mo ah. Grabe.
59:02.5
Hindi ko na-check yan.
59:04.5
Pati yung pajama.
59:05.5
Yung pajama na kanyang sinuot.
59:07.5
Yung pajama na tinanggal.
59:09.5
Hindi mo tatawagin sinungaling yung bata eh.
59:13.5
Hindi mo tatawagin sinungaling yung babae.
59:16.5
At hindi ko yun yung hawak na ebidensya ng Amerika.
59:19.5
Kaya gusto nilang i-extradite yung may-ari ng SMNI.
59:26.5
Na hindi daw may-ari.
59:27.5
I-extradite for human trafficking, for pedophilia, for rape, for money laundering, etc.
59:34.5
Yan yung nilang gawa.
59:36.5
And kudos sa Sen. Riza, no?
59:39.5
Kudos sa Sen. Monteveres for taking the lead on this issue, no?
59:43.5
Tapang talaga si Sen. Monteveres.
59:45.5
Imagine what she has had to deal with all throughout the years.
59:48.5
Siya pa rin, once again.
59:49.5
Yung kay Kian de la Sant, siya pa rin.
59:52.5
So she has a consistent record on fighting for the voiceless against the very powerful.
60:03.5
Alright, on that note, thank you very much, Sen. Llamas.
60:08.5
You never know, right?
60:09.5
Thank you very much for that, Sec. Ronald Llamas.
60:12.5
Talagang ang bilis nung isang oras natin at nasa slice-slice natin na maganda ito.
60:17.5
Medyo gumagaling natin.
60:18.5
Ang episode ka ganito, no?
60:19.5
Parang ano na tayo.
60:21.5
Ginagawa ko yung ginagawa ng TV, di ba?
60:23.5
Parang 10 minutes lang tayo sa TV, naging 5 episodes bigla.
60:26.5
So sabi ko, gayahin ko na rin na kayo yung ginagawa ng mga TV channels.
60:29.5
Mayroon, mayroon.
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Mayroon yung attentions pa naman.
60:33.5
Oo, let's be honest.
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Kaya sabi ko, meron akong behind-the-scenes version na yung mga mahabang pasensya.
60:41.5
You can listen to the whole thing.
60:43.5
Pero yung mga gusto lang nila slice-slice, pitik-pitik lang, ito yung version natin.
60:48.5
Actually, galing ako sa isang conference kanina, no?
60:51.5
May mga representatives yung mga embassy.
60:54.5
Sabi nung isang charge de affairs, no?
60:56.5
Hindi pala natin na titribulize masyado yung ating seryoso mga messages by using TikTok.
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Hindi pala natin na-tribulize, no?
61:04.5
Ang sagot ko ron ay kung stand-alone yung TikTok, yes.
61:09.5
Pero kung yung TikTok ay bahagi ng multi-platform strategy, no?
61:15.5
Integrated communication strategy.
61:17.5
Ang mga nila ay vertical strategy.
61:19.5
Kung yun na integrated.
61:20.5
Kaya hindi siya triviality.
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Although I agree na in the scheme of things, in the postmodern world, we have to weaponize triviality.
61:32.5
Dahil nandun yung karamihan ng mga tao.
61:37.5
If we able to get their attention, then punta ka ngayon doon sa 3-minuter.
61:40.5
Kung makuha mo atensyon nila for 30 seconds, no?
61:43.5
After nung 3-minuter, pwede pumunta ka sa isang documentary na 15 minutes.
61:49.5
And later on, pwede ka lang pumunta sa isang seminar ni Richard J. Darian, no?
61:54.5
About breaking some eggs to create an omelet.
61:59.5
Lenin School of...
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Lenin School of...
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Lenin Youth Academy.
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You have to start somewhere, no?
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Parang nga, ang ginawa ko ng example, yung kay Trump.
62:08.5
Pwede na-weaponize nila ang loneliness ng middle-aged white male.
62:14.5
Or even especially older, no?
62:17.5
Ginamit nila yan sa isang political narrative na nakadikit kay Trump.
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Yan yung ginawa nila.
62:24.5
Kailangan din natin ng gano'n.
62:25.5
We have to weaponize where people are, no?
62:27.5
For a different framework, no?
62:33.5
Not populist, no?
62:35.5
Kung hindi in a more modern way.
62:38.5
Pero huwag nating iwanan yung mga tools na yan sa campaign ng mga reactionaries.
62:44.5
Don't abandon the field.
62:46.5
The battlefield to the enemy.
62:48.5
Definitely, I agree with you.
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Sabi nga ni John Nery, if Rizal were alive today, he would have been a vlogger.
62:53.5
I completely agree with him.
62:54.5
I think Rizal would have been a TikToker, hindi lang vlogger.
62:58.5
Parang mighty magulang style yung mga siguro gagawin niya.
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Thank you so much, Sir Ronald Llamas.
63:03.5
I want to just say, where can people follow you?
63:06.5
Pinapapush na kita.
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Gawa ka ng channel mo.
63:08.5
Magpagawa ka na dyan sa bunso mo.
63:11.5
Okay lang ako ng pag-guest-guest sa mga...
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At least, Ronald, sabi ko i-collect mo lahat ng mga interview mo kay Christian, sa akin, sa TV5, mga ganyan.
63:21.5
Ganda at least para may go-to ang mga tao.
63:23.5
Nag-interview ako lang last week ni Robby Alambay.
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Hindi ko alam na wala na pala yung The Chief.
63:31.5
Oo, wala na. I have no idea. Paiba-iba na naman niya.
63:35.5
Kaya may podcast si Robby. Kaming dalawa ni Shelo Magno.
63:39.5
Right, right. Ganda, ganda. Nakita ko nga yung ano niya.
63:42.5
May madami yung mga katulad mo. Yung mga trailblazing na ginawa niyo. Yung mga sumusunod na.
63:50.5
Well, I mean, in fairness, Pomo Podcast has been here for a long, long time. Way ahead of me.
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Alam mo naman, R&R, ang style ko naman dito is bardagulan vlogging. May konting Hegel and then may konting Lenin and then biglang SMNI.
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I think yun yung ano natin. I think that's what's unique with what we're doing.
64:10.5
We smuggle in Antonio Gramsci into the discussion of Robin Hood Padilla and Bato de la Rosa.
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That's, I think, what makes us unique na trailblazers. Salamat sa'yo, comrade. Pero please, wag kayo mag-quote purong Lenin.
64:23.5
Mapapamak tayo. Papamak tayo.
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Papamak tayo. Papamak natin si Ma'am Leny. Alright? Salamat.
64:29.5
Alam ko si Stanley na pinag-quote.
64:31.5
Hindi, hindi. Malapit na. Andiyan lang yung mga biographies. Ilabas ko na next time. Iyong maglalaway tayo. I-check tayo ng ganun.
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Salamat, comrade.
64:38.5
Anytime, R&R. Anytime, R&R.
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Thank you very much. God bless and talk to you soon. Maraming salamat.
64:46.5
Thank you very much mga ka-TikTokers. O, di ba? Bati si Sir Ronald din naman sinasarod at magti-TikTok tayo. Kahit yung TikTok isang araw sinasensor niyo naman.
64:54.5
Yung mga pinupost ko dyan sa Taiwan. Walang yan.
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Alright. Thank you very much, guys. God bless and talk to you soon.
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And thank you very much also sa mga ka-YouTubers natin. Mga nagmamahal sa atin. Thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you.
