01:00.0
Passion daw niyan. In fairness, si Lord Devera, yung common friend natin, could attest to that.
01:04.7
Sabi niya nga, di ba meron siyang show dati ni Lord Devera, yung dalawa sila ni Bayaw, na nakakatuwa.
01:11.2
Parang in-interview niya ata si BBM doon, tapos si BBM may mga alam siya ng mga geeky na, alam mo, yung mga soul jazz, underground, London, yung mga ganun daw, next level daw.
01:23.1
Hindi ko lang palaod yun eh.
01:25.4
Oo, mati sa YouTube siguro yan.
01:28.5
Eh ako, hindi ako katulad mo. I'm a Neanderthal eh.
01:32.2
Hindi ko pala papalood yung Coldplay eh.
01:34.4
Alam mo naman ako, mat Monroe at saka Frank Sinatra, no?
01:40.4
Yun yung aking mundo.
01:42.3
Hindi ako katulad nyo eh. In.
01:45.5
Oo, it's not in. Tony Bennett lang.
01:47.8
Alright. Okay, Tony Bennett, Lady Gaga. Yan ang mga gusto natin panoorin yan.
01:52.4
Ito, ito, ito, ito, ito.
01:53.8
Ang bunto ko nga, Big R, kumakanta ng Ben & Ben eh. Sabi ko, sino yun?
01:58.5
Ah, alam ko lang Ben & Ben is sa Robinsons.
02:06.0
Pero, two sides yan eh.
02:12.3
Yung controversy tungkol sa chopper, no?
02:16.9
Dahil, yung presidente, usually may protocol yan eh.
02:21.0
Dahil yung kanyang public at private life, hindi naman magkahiwalay eh.
02:24.6
So kung yung security niya, pareho.
02:28.5
Eh, kung gumagamit siya ng chopper sa public life, ay pwede siyang gumamit sa private life.
02:34.7
Kaya ang issue na lang dyan ay self-regulation.
02:38.9
O yung sabi ng iba ay delikadesa.
02:42.2
Dahil, alam mo, si Pinoy, kahit malate sa meeting, hindi siya mag-uwang-uwang.
02:48.3
Kahit malate, kaya lagi siyang late sa meeting.
02:50.8
So may cost din eh.
02:52.8
Meron din cost yung pagiging, kung pagkakaroon ng delikadesa.
02:58.5
Kaya nga si Jokoy.
02:59.6
Nag-uwang-uwang daw si Jokoy nung nasa Sabu siya.
03:03.7
Para hindi malate.
03:05.2
Kaya pala, late para din si Pinoy.
03:06.8
Nakalala ko, isang picture sa map yan.
03:09.0
Siya yung huli na nakaganyan.
03:10.6
Alam mo, di ba, sa asin.
03:12.0
Kung ikaw dahil huli, lalagay ka dun sa, ano, na may imaginary friend na gano'n.
03:17.2
Baka bagay abroad daw, nalalate daw eh.
03:19.9
Kaya sometimes, even delikadesa has a price.
03:25.4
Kaya, yung mga ibang tao,
03:28.5
ay mix yung pagsusuri, mix yung pagtingin dyan sa nangyari.
03:35.3
Dahil na, as a president, talagang may mga protocols ka.
03:39.9
Pero, kung meron kang delikadesa,
03:43.1
iiwas ka masyado na ma-emphasize yung yung difference
03:47.3
as a head of state sa karaniwan tao.
03:51.3
I mean, not sure about delikadesa nowadays.
03:53.9
After six years of Duterte.
03:56.2
Pero, posh naman eh.
04:01.9
Mga gano'n naman daw.
04:03.9
Parang, parang Richard Heydarian eh, kung bumiyahe.
04:07.3
Hindi naman tayo eh.
04:08.7
Sir, walang chopper.
04:10.6
Sir, wala pang Uber chopper.
04:13.2
Eto, eto, sir Ronald, let's go to the politics.
04:15.4
Ang dami naman nagbabayas sa akin ng mga ka-DDS.
04:18.1
Na natupo pa dapat sa akin kasi ayoko rin sa tsa-tsa, charot.
04:21.7
Hindi, balikan natin ito sa Ronald ah.
04:24.7
Sabi ko, kasi yung mga DDS, pinagtatawanan si BBM.
04:28.5
Dito sa worst traffic in the world.
04:30.3
Eh, sabi ko, itong worst traffic in the world, matagal na yan eh.
04:32.9
Tsaka, last time I checked, si BBM, one and a half years pa lang, more or less.
04:37.4
Eh, si Digong, six years nga.
04:39.1
Naalala mo pa yung isang, ano, officialist ni Digong.
04:41.9
Huwag natin pangalanan masyado.
04:43.4
Sabi niya, by 2022, all cities in Manila will be connected to each other within 20 to 30 minutes.
04:50.2
So, alam niya, almost verbatim ko yung sinabi.
04:52.7
Sinabi ng minamahal natin na ex-secretary na ngayon ay nasasenado na.
04:59.8
At parating binabash kayo.
05:02.4
Kayo daw ang pinakamay kasalanan.
05:03.8
Aquino administration.
05:05.0
Dahil late daw kayo, nagsimula ng mga proyekto.
05:07.8
Which I think is kind of correct in terms of like 2014 pa lang nagsimula yung mga projects.
05:12.1
Anong nagpa dito sa traffic, Carmega, doon?
05:18.3
Nasa record dyan eh.
05:19.5
Sino ang pinakamaraming ginawang kalsada?
05:24.1
Way ahead ang Pinoy government.
05:25.9
Ang problema lang sa Pinoy government, hindi na-project.
05:28.5
Pero nasa record dyan, pinakamaraming ginawang kalsada.
05:33.5
Ang problema natin ay paano i-cut yung supply ng sasakyan.
05:39.2
So, yun yung problema, yung volume.
05:41.7
Ang ginagawa sa Singapore, tinataasin yung taxes.
05:44.7
Para hindi ganun karami ang bibili ng private vehicle.
05:47.2
Tapos, i-develop yung mass transportation.
05:51.8
Ang problema, minsan kulang ka sa budget.
05:54.3
Pero on the record,
05:55.4
ang gobyerno na pinakamaraming ginawang kalsada,
05:59.6
Hindi naman sa pagbubuhat ng saniling banko.
06:04.3
Hindi, in fairness,
06:05.4
I just want to be fair to Duterte administration.
06:08.7
dating budget secretary natin, si Jokno,
06:11.8
at dating finance secretary niyan.
06:14.0
In fairness, parang halos dinobla niya, di ba?
06:16.2
Yung infrastructure spending at share of GDP.
06:18.7
Parang late nung spending pa lang.
06:20.5
Hindi, una, wala akong nakita ng record.
06:22.7
Ang alam ko, karamihan ng kanyang projects
06:24.7
ay nagsimula sa Aquino government.
06:27.6
Yung mga sinasabi,
06:28.5
ng DPWH sekretary,
06:30.1
oh, ginawa namin ito, ginawa namin.
06:32.2
Most of them started nung panahon ni Pinoy.
06:35.3
Natapos nung Pinoy, hindi ko.
06:36.8
Parang yung limang Coast Guard vessels
06:40.2
na ninegotiate namin sa France,
06:45.8
Pero dumating siya 2016, 2017.
06:49.3
So, alag-claim yung Duterte government.
06:51.8
Pero ilang taon namin ninegotiate yun.
06:53.7
Dinribe ko pa nga yung isa na vessel.
06:58.5
dahil, lalo na si Pinoy,
07:00.5
ayaw magbuhat ng sariling bangko
07:02.1
nung ex-president na siya,
07:05.2
ay hindi na-emphasize yung mga ganyang mga bagay.
07:09.7
alikatesa na naman yan ng cost nun.
07:12.3
An era of credit drivers.
07:14.3
Kaya nga, asan na asan ako yung
07:15.8
build, build, build.
07:19.5
Eh, yung dalawang build doon
07:21.2
ang galing sa Pinoy government.
07:23.8
Yung isang build lang
07:25.0
ang talaga sa Duterte government.
07:26.7
Pero lahat in-lame.
07:28.9
Yung tatlong build, build, build.
07:31.2
Kilala ko pala naman
07:32.2
kung sino yung nag-invento
07:33.7
yung slogan na yan.
07:39.2
Build, build, drugs, drugs.
07:42.6
baka time na para
07:45.6
i-correct yung record.
07:48.2
Ito yung nangyari noon,
07:49.4
ito yung nangyari ngayon.
07:50.5
Hindi naman para,
07:51.8
para lang magyabang.
07:54.2
nakakaasan lang na
07:55.2
ito yung mga sinasabi ko.
07:56.3
O yung mga credit grabber.
07:58.5
I-correct lang natin.
07:59.2
O yung mga kasagde.
08:01.2
Huwag naman natin masyadong bastusin
08:02.8
yung pumalaw na presidente.
08:05.5
Ano yung nangyari?
08:07.4
yun ang mga sigurado ko.
08:10.2
Napakaraming kalsadang ginawa.
08:13.4
Hindi masyadong pinroject.
08:15.0
Hindi masyadong pinropaganda.
08:17.8
At yung karamihan
08:20.3
ng build, build, build
08:22.2
Pinoy government.
08:32.0
na sign ni Shinzo Abe
08:37.4
magka-credit grab
08:40.4
Maglalabanan ng credit
08:41.6
yung dalawa na yan.
08:48.4
pinakamahirap na parts
08:49.4
sa mga malalaking
08:54.1
yung feasibility studies,
08:58.5
ay napakamahalaga.
09:02.8
I'm getting credit also
09:04.8
of big projects going.
09:07.2
In spite of that,
09:08.3
kumpara mo yung mga loans
09:10.2
nung panahon ni Pinoy
09:12.1
nung panahon ni Duterte,
09:15.1
Kahit marami siyang
09:16.2
nasimula na infrastructure,
09:20.9
Kumpara halimbawa
09:22.0
sa Duterte government
09:30.2
na kailangan mo tignan.
09:34.2
So, I completely agree with you.
09:35.8
I had a conversation
09:37.7
with the late president
09:40.7
ni Digong yan eh?
09:42.9
And one of the things
09:44.1
ang kailangan natin
09:48.0
you have to be more
09:49.4
Berlusconi than Merkel
09:50.6
if I can put it that way.
10:00.2
Ang sense ko kay Pinoy,
10:01.9
I know many people
10:03.1
pero parang feeling ko
10:03.8
ina-idol niya yung mga
10:09.1
very statesman-like.
10:12.2
I'm sure you know
10:13.3
but yun ang narinig ko na
10:14.4
yun yung mas mold
10:16.5
na he appreciates
10:21.4
self-promotional,
10:24.7
to the Philippine politics
10:25.7
with the law of political success.
10:27.1
What is your read
10:28.8
kumpara halimbawa
10:31.7
tapos may authoritarian
10:34.3
Ibang-iba si Pinoy
10:46.9
ng mga senior citizens.
10:49.3
from his own party
11:02.1
magkokolaps naman
11:07.9
yung malaking bahagin
11:09.6
Eh, hindi lang naman
11:10.3
seniors ang beneficiaries.
11:13.6
ay yung long-term
11:22.3
yung susunod na gobyerno
11:25.0
nung siya ay presidente.
11:27.9
almost 1 trillion
11:30.4
sa next government
11:33.8
yung binigay niya
11:37.6
Negative ang binigay niya
11:39.5
So, medyo forward-looking
11:47.7
dahil concerned siya
11:48.9
doon sa mga susunod.
11:51.9
it wasn't popular,
11:56.6
Iyon yung problema, eh.
11:57.5
Yung mga sumunod,
12:02.8
kahit makakaroon ka
12:07.0
dahil sobrang daming
12:08.1
benefits yung binigay mo,
12:11.7
at saka militari,
12:12.9
not that they are
12:15.3
Pero kailangan mong
12:16.9
yung viability, no?
12:19.8
si Jokno sinasabi,
12:25.1
na gumawa nun, eh.
12:28.6
ng gano'ng klaseng sahod
12:29.7
at saka benefits, no?
12:31.2
Ang kaibahan ni Pinoy,
12:33.5
hindi yung what is popular.
12:35.5
is also what is viable
12:36.7
for succeeding governments,
12:41.1
pagkausap ko naman siya,
12:43.8
kailangan natin ipaliwanag ito.
12:46.0
kailangan natin linawin
12:47.5
yung mga ginawa natin.
12:54.0
as an ex-president,
12:55.7
Ayaw na niya magkakuan.
12:58.6
yung kanyang mga nagawa,
13:01.0
Yung gano'ng plan.
13:02.0
Hindi naman siya,
13:03.4
I think the Duterte era
13:08.2
of that kind of approach
13:11.1
hindi naman siya sekretary.
13:12.6
Hindi naman siya,
13:16.3
there's an element
13:16.8
of carnivalist politics.
13:18.7
I believe is yung
13:22.8
I think that was a form
13:25.3
in the sense that
13:25.9
you're simplifying
13:26.6
a very complicated
13:27.9
anong talagang ugat
13:29.2
sa ating economic
13:33.3
is there a world,
13:35.4
the best of both worlds?
13:36.5
Is techno-populism
13:41.0
how successful it is,
13:41.8
but if you look at
13:42.6
yung case ni Macron
13:46.3
Meron siyang technocratic
13:48.4
pa-sosyal-sosyal siya,
13:49.8
pero may pagka-populist
13:51.3
lalagay siya ng bata,
13:52.5
na LGBT na prime minister,
13:54.5
magpo-forma-forma siya,
13:58.0
may bragging talaga siya eh.
14:00.2
It's about the right balance eh.
14:02.3
It's about the right balance
14:03.8
dahil wala ka na magagawa eh.
14:06.4
The populist ethos
14:08.9
ng political culture,
14:11.3
hindi lang dito sa Pilipinas,
14:12.7
kundi sa buong mundo.
14:14.3
kailangan mo rin siyang
14:17.9
political narrative.
14:22.0
kung ikaw ay naniwala mismo
14:24.3
dun sa gano'ng klaseng
14:28.4
sa gano'ng klaseng propaganda
14:29.9
at nakalimutan mo
14:36.0
that you have to establish
14:37.5
strong institutions,
14:39.1
na hindi lang yung mga
14:43.7
Ang carnival kasi,
14:44.5
pupunta sa isang lugar
14:49.7
Napapasaya yung mga tao
14:52.5
weakness ng carnival.
14:55.8
at particular moment,
14:56.8
pero at the same time
15:03.1
kailangan malinaw
15:08.8
usually mga populist
15:14.3
Kaya pag alis nila,
15:17.1
Hindi lang vacuum.
15:26.8
the term he used was
15:27.9
bonfire of institutions.
15:31.8
lahat ng institutions.
15:35.6
or incompetent leaders.
15:37.3
itong episode na ito
15:39.3
before we close this episode
15:41.0
other interesting episodes.
15:45.6
lahat niyang related eh.
15:47.4
what happened to the
15:50.8
I want to ask you
15:51.5
a question about it
15:56.8
I think affiliated siya
15:59.3
and if I'm not mistaken
16:00.1
the Troll Army Master
16:03.3
alam mo naman siya niyan
16:07.3
there was supposed to be
16:13.9
but at least kind of a
16:18.0
para ma-highlight
16:22.9
of course defending
16:24.1
pro-China elements
16:25.6
pro-Arroyo elements
16:26.8
pro-ERAP elements
16:27.7
siyempre na marami din
16:29.5
do you think that's
16:30.6
a right way forward
16:32.9
kasi ang baso ko is
16:36.5
Yellow Army was supposed to do
16:38.0
when the whole DDS
16:41.0
machine was created
16:42.0
what do you know about that
16:43.4
or what are you willing
16:44.1
to share on the record?
16:47.2
ng political affairs
16:59.4
yung special concerns
17:01.2
yung political intelligence
17:02.8
I'm not that intelligent
17:14.0
for lack of a better
17:15.3
parang yung mga brown shirts
17:23.4
merong malino na strategy
17:28.7
papatay para sa leader
17:41.1
merong kang mga ganon
17:47.8
or a black shirt army
17:51.5
mismo yung personality
17:53.4
mismo yung kanyang
17:55.7
alam ko may isang
17:57.1
nag-propose sa kanya
17:58.0
ng ganong klaseng
18:02.5
sa kamay na bakal
18:03.2
parang kilala ko yan
18:03.9
nakatali sa kamay na bakal
18:08.2
hindi ko nababaguti
18:12.6
kailangan mo nang
18:13.3
medyo kamay na bakal
18:16.5
masyadong maraming
18:17.6
kaaway yung estado
18:28.8
para yan ay wasakin
18:30.2
para maging talagang
18:32.0
ma-reforma yung lipunan
18:35.0
modern na lipunan
18:37.5
mawala yung mga yan
18:40.5
habang yung mga yan
18:46.2
mga private armies
18:57.6
ng mga legitimate
19:01.0
binibiling judges
19:02.3
binibiling police
19:05.4
nagtatago sa loto
19:17.3
isa-isang meeting
19:21.6
pwedeng gawin yan
19:24.8
ng kanyang mga magulang
19:28.4
ng kanyang mga magulang
19:30.5
dapat gagawin niya
19:32.9
what is democratic
19:39.7
kanyang political affairs
19:51.3
kaya kailangan may
19:57.1
if you want to get
19:59.0
I hate to use this term
20:02.6
ng good Machiavelli
20:07.3
may nag-propose sa kanya
20:10.1
ng term extension
20:12.1
may nag-propose sa kanya
20:13.4
ng term extension
20:22.5
sa kanyang popularity
20:23.8
tinanggihan niya yan
20:27.0
nung term extension
20:29.3
may nag-suggest sa kanya
20:36.4
durugin yung mga kaaway
20:42.3
mag-re-reincarnate
20:45.2
wawasakin na naman
20:46.5
hindi niya ginawa yun
21:00.6
kahit hindi mo siya magamit
21:05.2
masasamang elemento
21:07.8
pag ginamit mo yan
21:09.5
pag ginamit mo yung
21:14.6
dahil hindi na yan
21:19.1
you open a can of worms
21:28.2
should justify the end
21:32.8
yung tamang balance
21:34.9
should not poison the end
21:36.7
because sometimes
21:39.9
it could poison it
21:41.8
I love that term na
21:43.0
to get a fried chicken
21:44.3
you don't have to
21:45.2
burn down the hen house
21:47.1
kung wala yung chicken
21:48.4
tutuhin mo sa oven
21:49.7
wag mo i-burn down
21:50.8
yung buong hen house
21:51.7
pero sabi nga lang
21:53.9
isang paborito mo
21:59.5
to cook an omelette
22:02.4
you have to break some eggs
22:09.7
to cook an omelette
22:11.8
you have to break some eggs
22:13.3
hindi ko sinasabi
22:14.2
na dapat yung presidente
22:16.0
pero dapat may mga ilal na
22:17.7
baka yun yung sinasabi mong
22:23.7
yung gagawa niyan
22:26.1
feeling to fall on his sword
22:29.4
pero ang dami na natin
22:34.2
medyo delikado na
22:35.9
worried where this is going
22:38.3
baka mabuking tayo
22:40.6
yung una mong interview sa akin
22:43.1
to crush the cartels
22:47.3
you have to crush the cartels
22:49.6
gumabas na yung pagkalaanin mo
22:53.2
mabuking na omrad
22:54.2
pero pinaliwanan ko naman
22:55.7
within a democratic framework
22:59.0
a strong activist state
23:03.6
a strong activist state
23:10.5
every time we get dictator
23:12.1
hindi benevolent eh
23:13.6
benevolent Machiavelli
23:15.3
I think that's the term
23:16.6
we need a benevolent
23:17.7
pwede kang magkaroon
23:23.1
within a democratic framework
23:25.6
to destroy those warlords
23:27.2
to destroy those private armies
23:29.5
kailangan mo ng kaunting
23:33.6
nag-comment yung mga
23:37.3
Lenin ng Soviet Union
23:44.6
sa kanilang dictionary
23:46.9
mahalaga lang naman
23:48.6
kung anong sinasabi nila
23:51.0
talaga ko pa naman
23:52.0
mag-bramshi na tayo
23:53.3
biglang back to Lenin
23:57.0
Soviet na daw si Lenin
23:59.1
re-reptite na nila
24:04.5
si Jefferson Davis
24:06.8
with reasonable men
24:21.1
idiots and dictators
24:26.0
tsaka yung Biblia natin
24:27.8
sabi don't throw pearls
24:31.4
alright maraming salamat
24:33.9
sir Ronald Llamas
24:35.1
papunta naman tayo
24:36.3
papunta pa lang tayo
24:38.6
I think kailangan ko
24:39.9
na magsulat ng libro
24:45.5
pinaprovoke mo ako eh
24:47.2
in-posting ko tuloy ako eh
24:49.9
napuking nga na pa
24:51.1
yung pakalening ko
24:53.9
ma-retag na naman tayo
24:55.0
salamat sir Ronald
24:56.4
fantastic discussion
