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00:00.0
Ilang beses natin ito na pag-usapan dito po sa programa in previous episodes and of course recently you said na dumating noong December yung mga taga-ICC. Ano po ba yung basis nito?
00:16.1
Okay. Yung ito no, based on very credible information, pumasok yung ICC team dito sa Pilipinas, nagkandak siya ng investigation at umalis na rin sila noong December din.
00:40.7
Tapos natapos na nila yung kanilang investigation.
00:46.1
As far as the primary accused are concerned. So yun po ang ating nakalap.
00:55.8
Okay. Sa pagkakaalam nyo, sabi nyo very credible information, gano'ng katagal po yung inilagi nila dito?
01:03.8
I'm not at liberty to say yung mga ganong details. But yun nga, in general, I think that's what everybody needs.
01:16.1
At this point, kung naging productive ba yung kanilang investigation? Yes. Nagawa nila everything that they set out to achieve during the investigation. So umalis na rin sila.
01:32.6
When you say naging productive yung kanilang pagpunta rito, yung investigation, what exactly do you mean po?
01:39.0
Nakakuha sila nung mga kailangan na nilang ebidensya, either documentary.
01:46.1
Or testimonial evidence.
01:49.2
Okay. Does it mean na nag-cooperate yung gobyerno, officially?
01:56.0
No. No. Walang government cooperation. Walang direct engagement. Kasi yun naman yung mensahe ng gobyerno ni President Marcos.
02:14.4
hindi naman kailangan. I think. Nagawa nila yung kailangan gawin. Without the explicit directive from the government to engage.
02:33.6
Okay. Kasi tinitingnan ko yung naging statement ni President Marcos. In-interview po siya rito kanina.
02:44.4
I do not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC in the Philippines. I consider this as a threat to our sovereignty.
02:53.8
Pero, sabi niya, as ordinary people, they can come and visit the Philippines, pero hindi kami tutulong sa kanila.
03:01.3
How, what they make of those statements?
03:03.6
Nga pala, nakalamot ako yung part na sabi niya.
03:05.6
Therefore, the Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation that the ICC conducts.
03:11.3
Pero sabi nga niya, as ordinary people, they can come and visit the Philippines.
03:14.4
Pero hindi kami tutulong sa kanila.
03:16.7
Meron ba kayo nakitang contradiction dito sa statement na ito? Or wala naman?
03:22.0
Wala naman. At, in fact, ano yun?
03:26.2
Siyempre, consistent yung mensahe niya na totoo naman na wala namang jurisdiction na yung ICC dito sa ating bansa simula March of 2019.
03:39.3
And, any intrusion in that?
03:44.4
In that regard, meaning, anything, investigating anything beyond March of 2019 would be an intrusion to our sovereignty.
03:56.1
And, that's consistent.
03:58.0
But, yun na nga, pwede pa rin silang pumasok dito.
04:02.3
At, yung sinabi nga ng Korte Suprema na merong jurisdiction yung ICC nung time na member pa tayo.
04:11.7
Which is November of 2019.
04:14.4
From 2011 up to March of 2019.
04:19.3
Wala tayong nakitang inconsistency.
04:22.4
At, in fact, I don't know, dun sa part ng mensahe ni Presidente na sinabi pa niya na kung papasok sila rito,
04:34.9
for as long as walang government engagement, diba?
04:39.0
And, at the same time, sinabi niya na, ano?
04:44.4
We are watching them, diba?
04:47.8
We are watching them to make sure that they won't engage with the government agencies.
04:54.4
So, that's consistent with my announcement or announcement with the information that they dodged that they were indeed here.
05:09.5
Kasi, sinong i-watch po kung hindi naman sila pumasok?
05:16.9
Pero sa pagkakaalam nyo, walang kinausap na taga-gobyerno?
05:22.1
I wouldn't be in a position to say anything about that.
05:29.7
Kasi, yung aking information na sinasabi is,
05:35.2
nagawa nila yung kailangan gawin at pumasok sila at lumabas sila ng mapayapa.
05:45.0
Ang isa rin curious ako rito, kasi medyo binabasa ko rin yung mga pahayag in the context of your revelation.
05:52.0
Correct me if I'm wrong, Senator.
05:53.3
Wala pa ako nadinig na denial from the government na nagpunta nga sila rito.
05:58.4
Tama ba? Wala naman denial, diba?
06:02.1
In fact, mayroon ka bang complete message ni President Marcos?
06:09.0
Ito yung sa ano niya, yung ambush interview yata ito kanina eh.
06:13.2
Pero naglabas din ang statement.
06:14.4
Mentioned DOJ at saka si Solicitor General Minardo Guevara.
06:19.4
Yes, but for the President.
06:22.1
Yung sa President mismo, diba yung sinasabi niyo na ano to?
06:27.5
I consider it a, sabi niya, let me say this for the hundredth time,
06:31.9
I do not recognize the jurisdiction of ICC in the Philippines.
06:35.6
I do not, I consider it as a threat to our sovereignty.
06:40.5
Therefore, the Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation.
06:44.4
That the ICC conducts.
06:48.2
Then, sinabi niya that he insisted that the government will not help and they are watching the ICC's movement
06:59.6
to make sure that they do not come in contact with any agency of government.
07:06.4
However, as ordinary people, they can come and visit the Philippines but we will not help them.
07:11.7
In fact, we are watching them.
07:14.4
Making sure that they do not come into contact with any government agency.
07:22.1
So, ibig sabihin, I don't know how that part of the statement would be interpreted.
07:32.5
Mukhang confirmation, no?
07:34.5
Hindi lang walang denial.
07:36.1
Mukhang confirmation. Parang ganun ang dating, diba?
07:38.3
Pero maliwanag din naman siya dun sa consistent yung sinasabi niya.
07:44.4
Direct government engagement pero hindi sila pwedeng i-bar from entry because hindi naman sila fugitives or criminals
07:55.9
or hindi sila persona ng grata.
07:59.8
So, the Philippines will not be in a position to stop them from entering the country
08:06.9
pero binabantayan nga sila to make sure hindi sila.
08:11.6
Ano po yung walang...
08:15.2
May yung binanggit nyo kanina na completed yung investigation nung nagpunta sa lito nung December.
08:21.7
Paano nyo nasabi na completed?
08:23.4
And can you elaborate on that, yung completed na yun?
08:27.6
Yun yung naparating sa akin na informasyon.
08:33.4
Na validate namin yung information na yan.
08:37.8
Kaya nga, ano na eh.
08:38.8
So, next step na lang yung inantay natin.
08:45.6
Which is the application for the warrant sa pre-trial chamber.
08:52.5
Then yung pre-trial chamber, i-access yung application na yun.
08:56.8
If they find merit doon sa application na yun, they will issue the warrant of arrest doon sa mga aposado.
09:08.5
Historically, ang nakikita nila between one to three months.
09:13.2
Yung issuance ng warrant from the time of the application.
09:21.1
So, sa pagkakaalam nyo, kung completed yung investigation ng December, kailan nag-apply?
09:29.6
Siyempre, ano pa yan?
09:31.0
I-cocolate pa nila yan.
09:33.6
Then, they will do the necessary paperwork.
09:39.7
The application will follow.
09:41.5
But, let me just clarify.
09:43.2
I am speculating at this point.
09:48.5
Yun lang ang information sa akin.
09:51.3
Natapos na yung investigation as far as the principal accused are concerned.
09:59.2
When you say principal accused, sino po ito?
10:05.9
Si former President Duterte.
10:09.3
Si Bato de la Rosa.
10:17.5
Mga incumbent senators.
10:20.3
And, ang tansya ko kasama rin si Vice President Sara Duterte.
