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Ilang beses natin ito na pag-usapan dito po sa programa in previous episodes and of course recently you said na dumating noong December yung mga taga-ICC. Ano po ba yung basis nito?

Okay. Yung ito no, based on very credible information, pumasok yung ICC team dito sa Pilipinas, nagkandak siya ng investigation at umalis na rin sila noong December din.

Tapos natapos na nila yung kanilang investigation.

As far as the primary accused are concerned. So yun po ang ating nakalap.

Okay. Sa pagkakaalam nyo, sabi nyo very credible information, gano'ng katagal po yung inilagi nila dito?

I'm not at liberty to say yung mga ganong details. But yun nga, in general, I think that's what everybody needs.

At this point, kung naging productive ba yung kanilang investigation? Yes. Nagawa nila everything that they set out to achieve during the investigation. So umalis na rin sila.

When you say naging productive yung kanilang pagpunta rito, yung investigation, what exactly do you mean po?

Nakakuha sila nung mga kailangan na nilang ebidensya, either documentary.

Or testimonial evidence.

Okay. Does it mean na nag-cooperate yung gobyerno, officially?

No. No. Walang government cooperation. Walang direct engagement. Kasi yun naman yung mensahe ng gobyerno ni President Marcos.

So, ganon. But,

hindi naman kailangan. I think. Nagawa nila yung kailangan gawin. Without the explicit directive from the government to engage.

Okay. Kasi tinitingnan ko yung naging statement ni President Marcos. In-interview po siya rito kanina.

Ang sabi niya,

I do not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC in the Philippines. I consider this as a threat to our sovereignty.

Pero, sabi niya, as ordinary people, they can come and visit the Philippines, pero hindi kami tutulong sa kanila.

How, what they make of those statements?

Nga pala, nakalamot ako yung part na sabi niya.

Therefore, the Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation that the ICC conducts.

Pero sabi nga niya, as ordinary people, they can come and visit the Philippines.

Pero hindi kami tutulong sa kanila.

Meron ba kayo nakitang contradiction dito sa statement na ito? Or wala naman?

Wala naman. At, in fact, ano yun?

Siyempre, consistent yung mensahe niya na totoo naman na wala namang jurisdiction na yung ICC dito sa ating bansa simula March of 2019.

And, any intrusion in that?

In that regard, meaning, anything, investigating anything beyond March of 2019 would be an intrusion to our sovereignty.

And, that's consistent.

But, yun na nga, pwede pa rin silang pumasok dito.

At, yung sinabi nga ng Korte Suprema na merong jurisdiction yung ICC nung time na member pa tayo.

Which is November of 2019.

From 2011 up to March of 2019.

Wala tayong nakitang inconsistency.

At, in fact, I don't know, dun sa part ng mensahe ni Presidente na sinabi pa niya na kung papasok sila rito,

for as long as walang government engagement, diba?

And, at the same time, sinabi niya na, ano?

We are watching them, diba?

We are watching them to make sure that they won't engage with the government agencies.

So, that's consistent with my announcement or announcement with the information that they dodged that they were indeed here.

Kasi, sinong i-watch po kung hindi naman sila pumasok?

Okay.

Pero sa pagkakaalam nyo, walang kinausap na taga-gobyerno?

Ganun po ba yan?

I wouldn't be in a position to say anything about that.

Kasi, yung aking information na sinasabi is,

nagawa nila yung kailangan gawin at pumasok sila at lumabas sila ng mapayapa.

Okay.

Ang isa rin curious ako rito, kasi medyo binabasa ko rin yung mga pahayag in the context of your revelation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Senator.

Wala pa ako nadinig na denial from the government na nagpunta nga sila rito.

Tama ba? Wala naman denial, diba?

Wala naman.

In fact, mayroon ka bang complete message ni President Marcos?

Ito yung sa ano niya, yung ambush interview yata ito kanina eh.

Pero naglabas din ang statement.

Mentioned DOJ at saka si Solicitor General Minardo Guevara.

Yes, but for the President.

Yung sa President mismo, diba yung sinasabi niyo na ano to?

I consider it a, sabi niya, let me say this for the hundredth time,

I do not recognize the jurisdiction of ICC in the Philippines.

I do not, I consider it as a threat to our sovereignty.

Therefore, the Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation.

That the ICC conducts.

Then, sinabi niya that he insisted that the government will not help and they are watching the ICC's movement

to make sure that they do not come in contact with any agency of government.

However, as ordinary people, they can come and visit the Philippines but we will not help them.

In fact, we are watching them.

Making sure that they do not come into contact with any government agency.

Watching them.

So, ibig sabihin, I don't know how that part of the statement would be interpreted.

Mukhang confirmation, no?

Hindi lang walang denial.

Mukhang confirmation. Parang ganun ang dating, diba?

Pero maliwanag din naman siya dun sa consistent yung sinasabi niya.

Walang...

Direct government engagement pero hindi sila pwedeng i-bar from entry because hindi naman sila fugitives or criminals

or hindi sila persona ng grata.

So, the Philippines will not be in a position to stop them from entering the country

pero binabantayan nga sila to make sure hindi sila.

Ano po yung walang...

Yan.

Ang sige, sir.

May yung binanggit nyo kanina na completed yung investigation nung nagpunta sa lito nung December.

Paano nyo nasabi na completed?

And can you elaborate on that, yung completed na yun?

Yun yung naparating sa akin na informasyon.

Okay?

Na validate namin yung information na yan.

Kaya nga, ano na eh.

So, next step na lang yung inantay natin.

Which is?

Which is the application for the warrant sa pre-trial chamber.

Then yung pre-trial chamber, i-access yung application na yun.

If they find merit doon sa application na yun, they will issue the warrant of arrest doon sa mga aposado.

Historically, ang nakikita nila between one to three months.

Yung issuance ng warrant from the time of the application.

So, sa pagkakaalam nyo, kung completed yung investigation ng December, kailan nag-apply?

Ano yan?

Siyempre, ano pa yan?

I-cocolate pa nila yan.

Then, they will do the necessary paperwork.

Then, ano no?

The application will follow.

But, let me just clarify.

I am speculating at this point.

Yun lang ang information sa akin.

Natapos na yung investigation as far as the principal accused are concerned.

When you say principal accused, sino po ito?

Si former President Duterte.

Si Bato de la Rosa.

Si Bongo.

Mga incumbent senators.

And, ang tansya ko kasama rin si Vice President Sara Duterte.