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00:00.7
Okay, ito, ito, ito.
00:02.2
Kasama natin isang araw, hindi lang
00:06.1
the biggest of R. Ito si
00:07.3
Atty. Ruben Carranza, pinag-usapan natin.
00:09.7
Very serious issue. Actually, ICJ
00:11.6
napunta yung usapan sa case ng South Africa
00:13.8
in light of what's happening in Gaza,
00:16.1
yung pagsali ng Bangladesh,
00:18.1
Mexico, Chile, etc.
00:20.3
Pero yung isang episode natin was on
00:21.8
ICC. Now, this is where
00:26.0
siya sa ICC na yan. Kasi sa tingin niya,
00:27.8
may politika din itong isang ICC
00:29.5
at medyo skeptical din siya kay Karim Khan.
00:32.1
Kasi I didn't know, apparently, si Karim Khan
00:35.7
yung isang notorious
00:37.3
Kenyan vice president
00:39.6
dati ng ngayon presidente, dun sa
00:41.6
isang massive pogrom na nangyara sa election
00:43.7
sila before. So, he's quite
00:45.7
skeptical sa ICC. And even
00:47.8
ito yung mga pronouncement ni
00:49.4
Senator Trillanes, isang beshi mo,
00:52.1
about the warrant of arrest
00:53.8
in the pipelines. But, of course,
00:55.9
I understand where is he coming from. I think he's been
00:57.7
dealing with so many issues at the international
00:59.5
level, humanitarian issue, very
01:01.5
depressing issue. There's still conflict in Ethiopia.
01:03.7
Ang dami pa nangyari, mga conflicts around the world.
01:06.3
So, I think it was a very
01:07.4
sobering conversation. Pero, Ronald, balikan
01:09.5
natin itong issue ng ICC na ito. So,
01:11.6
BBM, being BBM, which is
01:13.6
I've been saying all the time, ayan na naman,
01:15.8
playing safe na naman siya. Sabi niya,
01:18.0
we will not stop the ICC
01:19.5
from coming in, but we will not also lift a
01:21.6
finger to help them, which is the
01:23.4
classic BBM way of having it
01:25.4
both ways, by not doing either way.
01:28.3
What is your read of
01:31.0
Well, tingin ko, it's a combination
01:35.4
posturing, and at the
01:37.5
same time, giving himself
01:41.7
from that posturing.
01:43.8
Kung magbago yan overnight
01:45.2
or over time, pwede niya
01:47.5
sabihin, o hindi, sinabi ko naman na
01:49.3
papapasukin namin sila.
01:51.3
Parang Ronald De Amas yan.
01:53.1
Either way, may analysis siya.
01:55.4
Alimbawa, ang sigurado
01:57.5
ko, habang may ganyan siyang
02:04.2
how do I call it,
02:08.3
kaibigan, yung kanyang mga kaibigan
02:11.1
na kumakausap tayo,
02:13.8
yung kaibigan ni BBM
02:18.9
nung pumasok na ICC,
02:20.5
inamin din naman niya na may nakapasok.
02:24.9
Ang sabi niya, we were watching
02:27.1
them. Ibig sabihin, they were here.
02:32.1
Yung mga kumakausap, hindi niya
02:37.7
pupunta roon para kausapin,
02:40.6
hindi niya pinigilan. Ibig sabihin,
02:42.8
merong great game.
02:46.8
is happening. It's continuing.
02:49.9
Behind the scenes.
02:54.6
Kung alam mo yung nangyayari behind the scenes,
02:56.2
baka hindi ka masyadong skeptical.
02:59.4
Kasi may political aspect din.
03:02.7
Tama naman si Roblen
03:04.1
that the possibility
03:11.2
lang ito naman lagi yan.
03:12.9
Yung ganyang possibility.
03:14.6
Dahil itong mga institusyon naman na ito
03:17.0
ay hindi immune sa politics.
03:19.3
Pero meron din mga...
03:20.3
Sorry, not for cutting.
03:22.4
I think his point really is just
03:23.9
curb your enthusiasm. Do not raise
03:26.3
the expectation right away. Because ICC,
03:28.2
which is what I've been saying,
03:29.5
they also have to do their own political calculation.
03:31.9
They're not going to issue a warrant of arrest
03:33.5
kung walang cooperation.
03:34.8
Maging mga tanga sila.
03:36.0
They cannot also do that.
03:37.3
May usapan, may negosyosyon, may gano'n.
03:40.6
I agree with that.
03:42.2
Huwag mo naman masyadong taas.
03:43.7
Pero yung nagtataas kasi ng
03:47.1
ay kausap niya pareho.
03:50.7
Kausap niya yung pinaka
03:51.9
major decision maker.
03:54.4
I mean, trillianess.
03:56.8
Ayaw na kong bagitin.
03:58.2
Kausap din niya yung ICC.
03:59.4
Ibig sabihin, alam ko na
04:02.0
nakakausap niya yung...
04:03.8
Yeah, informed naman si Seth.
04:05.4
Kaya for now, I'm less
04:08.0
skeptical. For now,
04:10.1
I'm more optimistic.
04:11.7
Like you're more leaning on
04:14.0
something that's to come rather than
04:16.2
ayaw na lang yan. Matitribal lang.
04:20.1
akong preview doon sa ginagawa.
04:25.6
oh, tigil na yan.
04:28.2
Mabunta ka na sa ibang
04:30.7
proyekto. Wala akong
04:33.8
May silent complicity.
04:35.6
All hands on deck pa rin.
04:40.5
public posturing, based sa iyong
04:42.6
personality as a conflict
04:46.3
Based dun sa binabalansi mo.
04:51.1
akong kaibahan mula sa position
04:52.7
ng gobyerno early this year.
04:56.2
papapasukin. Totally,
04:58.2
hindi naman talaga
05:00.0
kinakailangan ng coordination dahil umalis na tayo.
05:04.5
bansa, wala na yung gobyerno sa ICC.
05:06.9
Kaya pwede mo i-justify
05:08.2
na hindi naman kami talaga
05:10.4
magko-coordinate.
05:14.5
Tama rin naman, pumasok na ICC
05:16.4
hindi nakipag-usap sa gobyerno.
05:18.9
Ba't nila kakausapin yung gobyerno?
05:20.3
Wala naman sila sa ICC. Kinausap nila
05:21.9
yung mga abugado, yung mga biktima
05:23.6
ng EJK. Yun ang kinausap nila.
05:26.1
Tama yun. Tama yun dahil
05:28.2
yung gobyerno naman hindi kakakausapin
05:30.8
dahil hindi na sila membro.
05:32.0
Pero ano yung pinakamahalaga?
05:36.7
Yun yung major na difference
05:38.3
mula doon sa position. Without harassment,
05:40.3
without anything. Exactly.
05:42.2
Ngayon may gray area.
05:44.7
Pag pinapasok ba sila,
05:46.2
halimbawa mag-serve ng warantyong
05:49.3
hindi ba isisecure ng gobyerno
05:52.2
yung peace? Hindi ba nila
05:53.9
poprotektahan yung mga yan?
05:55.7
Bahagi ba yan sa not lifting a finger?
05:58.2
Paano masisira si BBM
06:00.8
kung may mangyari doon sa
06:01.9
mag-implement ng warantyong?
06:03.0
Parang peacekeeping mission lang.
06:07.1
You don't lift a finger, but you're protecting.
06:10.3
Preserving the peace.
06:11.3
Hindi mo papayagan
06:12.9
na may mapahamak itong mga kapapasok.
06:16.3
Pinayagan mo ng pumasok.
06:17.8
Ngayon, poprotektahan mo ba yung mga pumasok?
06:20.6
Tingin ko hindi yun kasama doon
06:22.2
sa not lift a finger.
06:24.0
Yung iniisip na yun, not lift a finger
06:26.0
ay mas in relation doon sa
06:29.6
Hindi yan trabaho ng gobyerno.
06:31.3
Dahil wala na kami.
06:34.1
Pero pag pinapasok mo ito,
06:36.3
parang nagpapasok ka ng mga turista,
06:38.5
poprotektahan mo yung mga turista.
06:40.8
Hindi mo papayagang
06:44.0
Hindi mo papayagang i-ransom yan.
06:47.0
Hindi mo papayagang
06:48.2
yan ay saktan ng mga criminal elements.
06:51.9
Hindi ko sinasabi na yung
06:53.1
mga Duterte, criminal elements.
06:55.9
Wala akong gano'n sinasabi.
06:56.8
Wala akong gano'n sinasabi.
06:56.9
Wala akong gano'n sinasabi.
06:59.0
Wala akong gano'n sinasabi.
07:01.7
Pagka yun, parang halimbawa lang.
07:05.5
Okay, perfect. I think that sets the tone
07:07.0
for a final part of our discussion.
07:09.8
SMNI naman, because that's the
07:11.3
communications power of a certain
07:15.3
Mukhang may indefinite suspension
07:17.6
which is something close to
07:19.0
pinapasara na ba? Pag-usapan natin
07:21.3
in our final short episode.
07:23.5
Thank you very much, Secretary Llamas.
