POLITICIAN'S INITIATIVE VS. PEOPLE'S INITIATIVE
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00:01.0
Alright, yan. Magandang araw mga kabatas natin at welcome sa isang namang livestream.
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Mga kabatas natin, ang title nito, yung isa kasi yun yung tungkol sa witnesses.
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Ito naman tungkol sa Politicians' Initiative versus People's Initiative.
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Sinabi ko naman sa inyo mga kabatas natin na ako, okay sa akin yung People's Initiative.
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Nandyan yan sa Constitution for a reason.
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Okay, that is one of the modes of the people contributing to lawmaking.
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Okay, yung People's Initiative na yan.
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Pero ang problema dito mga kabatas natin,
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at parang lumabas nga dito sa hearing kanina sa Senado na ito ay isang Politicians' Initiative.
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Parang ang gustong puntuhin kasi.
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Ang gustong puntuhin kasi dito ng Senado sa kanilang hearing,
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ang nasa likod nito ay si Martin Romualdes na pinsan ng Pangulo at pinsan ni Amy Marcos na committee chair
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nitong Committee on Electoral Reforms and People's Participation.
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Okay, ngayon kasi mga kabatas natin,
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tama naman yung sinasabi nila na it is no longer the People's Initiative
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if the people are paid.
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Kasi nga, binayaran mo yung participation ng tao eh.
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Para gawin yung gusto mong mangyari.
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Kung sino yung nagbayad, siya yung may initiative nun.
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Ang malaking problema din dyan kasi mga kabatas natin,
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that is one of the reasons.
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itong nangyayari ngayon,
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dito sa People's Initiative na ito,
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ang dahilan kung bakit mahirap ang Pilipinas.
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Dahil adik tayo sa ayuda.
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Sabihan mong ayuda,
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sabihan mong libre,
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sabihan mong walang bayad,
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sabihan mong makakatanggap ka ng ganito.
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Okay lang, basta libre.
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wala naman na ibigay sa iyo.
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hindi mo naman nagampanan
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Ganyan ang Pilipino eh.
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kung matatanggal natin yung ugali natin ganyan,
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yung benta dignidad,
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yung walang kwenta ang prinsipyo,
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for sure, aasenso tayo eh.
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Pero, ang problema kasi sa atin,
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iniisip natin lagi,
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aanihin mo yung critical thinking.
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Hindi mo yan makakain.
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Aanihin mo yung pagiging matinong tao
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kung kumakalam yung sigmura mo.
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Kapag wala naman pagkain yung pamilya mo.
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yun yung mga kinalakhan nating mga,
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we just want to merely survive.
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Hindi na iparealize sa atin,
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masyado, habang lumalaki tayo,
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na we have to make sacrifices.
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Kailangan nating magsakripisyo.
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pati na rin yung pamilya natin,
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para makamit natin yung mas malaking papremyo.
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Ganon yun eh, diba?
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Kaya nga meron yung marshmallow test noon.
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O sige, alam ko, gutom ka na.
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Mag-antay ka lang ng konti.
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Pag hindi mo kinain yung marshmallow,
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yung marshmallow mo,
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Konting sakripisyo.
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Tapos ano yung nangyari doon sa marshmallow test?
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sumunod sa patakaran,
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na huwag mo munang kainin yan,
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lumabas na mas naging
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yung mga tao na mas mahaba yung pasensya
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at attention span.
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napatunayan na to ha.
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Mas magiging successful sa buhay.
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Kaya yung TikTok,
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yung mga reels, yung mga ganyan,
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eh sinisira mga kabatas natin,
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Kasi, they are training our minds to be impatient.
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Kasi, they are training our minds to be impatient.
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Kasi, they are training our minds to be impatient.
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O tama yung sinabi nila dito.
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Delayed gratification.
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Delayed gratification.
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Delayed gratification.
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Napakinggan natin sila.
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Talking about mga kulto,
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talagang nagtatago sila ng identity.
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For the mere fact na,
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baka naman po ang hahabol sa kanila
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Dahil in-establish natin.
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I believe in ninyo, Senator.
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Because, this is.
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Wala po siyang sinabi kung saan pa manggagaling.
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Tsaka wala po siyang sinabi sa amin kung pera po eh.
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Pasta baka may ayuda daw po.
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Or din niya pa alam kung saan po.
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Alam niyo kung bakit sinasabi ng Politicians Initiative.
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basta po mirma ka,
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makakakuha ka ng ayuda,
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hindi mo pa alam if it is
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Pero pipirma ka na.
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hina ng mga Pilipino
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mga kabatas natin, yung
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promise lang ng ayuda
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mga taong ito, mga kabatas natin,
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hindi sila nabayaran.
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That's the sad part.
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Hindi sila nabayaran.
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lang ng ayuda sa kanila.
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Sampung libo. Ay hindi, hindi.
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Iba yun. Nakita ko sa comment section.
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Yung sampung libo, bawat
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pamilya. Isipin mo!
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Sabihan ka lang ng ayuda,
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hypnotized ka na.
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lahat ng gusto mong
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gawin. Gusto nilang gawin mo.
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Hindi mo man lang
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sinecure na kaliwaan yung ayuda
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mo. Anong klaseng
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Sabi ni Simply Lalain,
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money first before... Although hindi maganda
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syempre yung pababayad ka
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Mga kabatas natin, itong si Simply Lalain,
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nagiging... Eh, Lailani,
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nagiging ano siya? Nagiging sarcastic
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lang siya. Nagiging sarcastic
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siya. Pinapakita lang natin
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na we are experiencing
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of Filipinos here.
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Kung mag-i-execute ka ng kontrata,
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okay? Di ba may mga down?
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Kung mag-i-execute ka ng kontrata,
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may consideration.
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Kaya ka nga pipirma, di ba?
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Kaya nga ang daming nauuto sa ganun, eh.
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Sasabihin nila, ano yung sabi ni
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Marvin Fabis? Nagtiwala kasi ako.
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Nagtiwala kasi ako?
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So ngayon, dahil nagtiwala ka,
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wala ka ng kasalanan?
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Hindi naman ganun, di ba?
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Kasi kailangan mo
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Yung mga bagay na nasa sa'yo.
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So parang, hindi,
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kasalanan niya lahat
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kasi nagtiwala ako.
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That's not how it works, though.
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You still have responsibility.
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Kung narinig ninyo yung ayuda,
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Siyempre, sa hirap ng buhay.
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Ginastify pa niya, no?
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Siyempre, sa hirap ng buhay.
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Dapat tinuturoan natin sila na hindi.
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Mahirap talaga yung buhay.
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Pero lalo magiging mahirap
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yung buhay natin kapag ganyan
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yung ginagawa mo.
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Nakikita niyo talaga mga kapatid natin
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yung mga messages din
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na binibigay sa atin dito.
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Meron ding hindi maganda.
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Mapapaganong ka na lang eh.
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Kung man nakita nga ako,
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oh, gawin mo to, gawin mo yan,
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bibigyan kita ng ayuda.
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Magkakaroon kaya ako ng free labor doon?
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gawa ka ng party list,
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gawa ka ng party list,
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ayuda party list o APA.
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Ayuda sa bawat Pilipino.
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Basta pirmahan mo to.
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At maraming salamat sa inyo.
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Kung may maidadagdag pa kayo,
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pwede naman gumawa ng sinumpaan sa Laysay.
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I would like to thank you.
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I would like to thank you.
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I would like to thank you.
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I would like to thank you.
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I would like to thank you.
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I would like to call on another witness
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who's actually here in person.
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I believe in the hall right now.
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Apag tinatawag natin, Madam Chair,
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can I inquire something?
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Yes, please proceed.
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May I know from the Chair
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if Attorney Anthony Abad was invited?
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And is he around?
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Ito, mga kapatid natin,
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Anthony Abad na ito,
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ito yung sinasabi nila na parang
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People's Initiative.
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Yung pangalan niya
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is very, very visible doon sa
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yung petition form na
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can we insist on inviting him?
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O kung ayaw niya mag-ati,
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ipasampila natin, Madam Chair?
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Yes, I think we'll have to consider that,
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but like you said,
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his name is very prominently
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displayed on the form.
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Siya, he is the face of this
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So, he should be,
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he should present himself.
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useless itong magiging inquiry natin
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kung hindi natin makita.
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Don't mention that.
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Senator Bato de la Rosa.
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Huwag mong sabihin na useless
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yung magiging inquiry nyo.
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Kasi yung track record,
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yung track record nyo
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sa mga useless na inquiries
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para medyo madami-dami.
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Don't give us an idea.
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Don't give the people an idea
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about being useless.
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Kasi wala siya ngayon dito.
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Dapat nag-adjourn na kayo.
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Dapat nag-adjourn na kayo
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kayo na wala siya.
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You shouldn't have said that.
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Straight from the horse's mouth,
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useless itong magiging inquiry natin
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kung hindi natin makita yung tao
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na nandoon sa papel,
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O, dito ba tinigil nyo na?
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Kasi useless nga.
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Tinawag nyo siya.
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Tapos kung nandyan siya,
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doon kayo nag-resume ng hearing.
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Para hindi useless.
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Suggestion mo yun.
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Sabina this person,
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Madam, Madam, Madam Chair?
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Yes, Congressman Marcoleta, please.
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I am happy that Senator Bato
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raised this question
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because this is the gist
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of the entire inquiry.
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And the gist of the entire inquiry
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It's not present.
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It appears to be the proponent
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of this initiative.
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Kagaya po na ang sinabi ninyo,
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bigyan ng katauhan
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nitong politicians' initiative.
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Earlier, Madam...
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Parang proof of life muna.
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Pero tignan nyo yung tawag niya.
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nitong politicians' initiative.
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Earlier, Madam Chair.
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Politicians' initiative na yung tawag niya.
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The House of Representatives
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is sila po ang nagiging
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parang kontrabida dito.
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I am not representing
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the House of Representatives today.
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I was personally invited
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by the beautiful chairman
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to appear in this committee.
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hindi po nyo may aalis
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medyo magdamdam rin ako
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House of Representatives
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lalong-lano na po
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I am not defending the speaker.
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unang tuntungko dito sa U.S. Attorney
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wala pa akong trabaho.
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parang nahihiya ako noon
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na pakakainin ako ng gobyerno.
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I need to find a job asap.
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Yan dapat, di ba?
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Pero ang utak dito sa Pilipinas,
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mga kapwa natin may hirap,
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mga kabatas natin,
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unli-ayuda dapat.
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hanapin mo kung saan yung ayuda.
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Hindi hanapin mo kung saan yung trabaho.
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Hanapin mo kung saan yung libre.
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Hanapin mo kung saan kaaasenso.
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Yan ang problema, yan.
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Rational hearing ultimately find
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that the speaker is the one
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who spearheaded this
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or funded this initiative.
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I will probably request him to step down.
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Ito kasi mga kapatid natin, no,
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tinatawag nilang politicians initiative yan
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yung mata nila nakatingin
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Congressman Romero.
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The Speaker of the House.
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Ngayon, sinabi ni, ano,
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I will probably request him to step down.
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I will probably request him to step down.
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Paano pag hindi sinunod yung request mo?
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Katulad nung ginawa nyo kay Tevez.
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Kasi nga, hindi naman tama
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na gawing politicians initiative
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yung people's initiative.
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Pero kung hindi po siya naman,
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bakit hindi po natin kinonsentrate
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kay Anthony Abadman?
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Siya po yung bida dito eh.
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Kaya nga useless yung hearing.
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Manunood ka ba lang isang pelikula na walang bida?
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Siya po ang pinakasentro nito.
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Siya ang nagsasabi dito
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na pinaliwanag niya sa tao.
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Nagsabi po ng mga tao,
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we fully understand
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the rationale of this proposition.
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We fully understand the consequences
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and the advantages
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of this proposition.
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Gusto nating malaman,
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talaga bang ginawa niya?
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and undertaking nationwide
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to be able to get
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at least 8 million votes.
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Kaya po ba ng isang tao?
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Why don't we begin with...
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Hindi isang tao kasi et al yun.
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E papaliwanag ko rin mamaya.
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Kaya siguro ngayon na.
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Kasi parang nagko-comment sila nun
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na parang yung et al daw
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dahil hindi na-mention
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ang main petitioner daw
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itong si Abad lang,
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Mga kabatas natin,
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pag et al ang nakalagay dyan
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tapos nakalagay na petitioner sila
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ibig sabihin co-petitioner sila.
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Pag co-petitioners kayo
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you are all in the same standing.
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The same standing.
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based on the Google,
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specializes in international trade law.
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Has been in legal practice for 17 years
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and he is at present
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an independent advisor
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of the Philippine Senate.
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Independent advisor
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of the Philippine Senate.
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So parang sinasabi dito ni Marcoleta
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Sabi ni Teacher Mark reacts.
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Atty. what if at al lang po
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then hindi nakaspecify?
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Yung at al it will be,
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it should be identifiable.
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Dapat malalaman mo yan
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kung sino yung mga nakalagay sa at al na yan.
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Tapos, if you have more than one petitioner,
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they should all sign the petition.
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Otherwise, only the people
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the people who signed the petition
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will be the petitioners.
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Kaya lang, mga kapatas natin,
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may ruling ang Supreme Court
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in relation to this one.
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Sinabi niya, mga kapatas natin,
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na kahit hindi pumirma yung ibang petitioners,
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as long as merong isang petitioner na pumirma,
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there is substantial compliance
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na pwedeng tumakbo
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o mabigyan ng due course
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yung petition na yan.
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Tapos eventually,
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yung mga susunod na pirma,
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they can just be curative.
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Eventually, pagsasabihin ng mga tao
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na yes, ako ay petitioner din.
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Yun ang sinabi ng Supreme Court.
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Okay? Tuloy natin.
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At nakalagay din po sa Google,
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he took his oath before the office of Senator
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Aquilino Pimentel.
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Okay, tuloy natin.
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Kailangan po natin,
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maging makita lahat eh.
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Sa Google po yan.
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I was also shown that picture,
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pero hindi ko ma-date eh.
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Mukhang bata pa kami nun eh.
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Hindi mo ma-date,
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kasi bata pa kayo.
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Hindi pa siya legal age.
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Joke lang! Joke lang!
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Hindi natin pinag-uusapan dito
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yung age of sexual consent.
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Kasi hindi niya daw ma-date.
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Ilang taon ba kayo nun?
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E, ang sabi ni Fabry,
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ang age of sexual consent daw noon,
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before it became sixteen.
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it's hunting you.
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Pero hindi ko ma-date eh.
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Mukhang bata pa kami nun eh.
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must have been years ago.
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And if you're talking about this,
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that Anthony Abad
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named in the signature sheet,
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we're assuming a lot of things.
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he's not a consultant of my office.
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kailangan pasiputin natin itong
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Attorney Anthony A.
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Attorney Anthony A. Abad.
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So, para malaman po natin.
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And if that person
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seen in the picture
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taking an oath before me,
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if he will admit that he is the one,
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then we're talking about the same person.
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But, he's not a consultant of my office.
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So, I don't think he's also a consultant of the Senate.
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So, maybe that was part of his bio-data.
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Siguro, once upon a time, baka nangyari yun.
22:00.1
Hugas kamay ba yan?
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Pinsan dito na rin tayo sa topic na ito.
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The burden is all with the
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Attorney Anthony A. Abad.
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Because no other...
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Kung the burden is all with Anthony A. Abad,
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then what's the purpose of you
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having that hearing now?
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No, sir. We are just assuming one thing.
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They are the same person. Yun lang ang assumption.
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At least may assumption, sir.
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Pero, it's very clear naman, I guess.
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It's very easy to identify
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if they are talking about the same person. Diba?
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A lawyer can file that petition
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and claim that he or she is under that etal.
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Hindi mo pwede yun.
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So, it's only, ah...
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If the signatures are genuine
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and real and then freely given,
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it is only this attorney,
23:08.2
whom they have authorized to file the petition.
23:12.2
Pero ang hindi ko maintindihan, sabi nila,
23:14.2
ang makakapagbigay lang ng liwanag,
23:16.2
itong si Anthony A. Abad.
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Sabi rin nila na hindi pwedeng gawin ito
23:20.2
ng iisang tao lang.
23:22.2
So, ano ba talaga?
23:24.2
Okay, tuloy natin.
23:25.2
A lawyer can claim to be etal
23:27.2
kasi hindi siya pinangalanan.
23:29.2
So, that's my theory.
23:30.2
Kaya, we really...
23:31.2
I agree with Congressman Mancoleta.
23:33.2
We really have to identify who is...
23:36.2
Pero medyo common name kasi yan.
23:37.2
There might be more than one.
23:39.2
No, you are talking about the same person for sure.
23:43.2
You are talking about the same person.
23:50.2
who happens also to be a lawyer.
23:51.2
So, we need to look for this person.
23:53.2
We can start with him.
23:57.2
Yeah, but then stop now.
23:59.2
Because you cannot start without him.
24:04.2
Sabi nila mga kainsan na.
24:07.2
Napaka-defensive.
24:09.2
An A4 seat of paper.
24:13.2
Ten signatories per seat.
24:16.2
If Anthony Abad is out to get 8 million votes
24:21.2
to satisfy the threshold of 8 million,
24:24.2
this is the requisite of the People's Initiative,
24:27.2
he will need 800,000 pieces of this A seat.
24:32.2
Nakita ko po yung pinag...
24:34.2
Nakakuha ko ng isang rim nito.
24:36.2
This paper was imported from Indonesia.
24:42.2
I want to ask Anthony Abad.
24:45.2
Kinuwenta ko po kung magkano eh.
24:47.2
Siguro about 1,500 something reams.
24:51.2
Half a million pesos ito pala mong papel.
24:55.2
Palagay mo na lang dalawang piso.
24:58.2
800,000 sits at 1.6 million plus 500.
25:03.2
That's about 2 million.
25:05.2
Cheap lang yun sa kanila.
25:08.2
Congressman Marculeta.
25:13.2
Nakita mo ba yung mga ginagastos nila sa...
25:23.2
Saan niya kinuha ni Anthony Abad?
25:25.2
Maybe we can ask questions directly from this guy.
25:30.2
Then why are you doing that?
25:35.2
Yung mga nakatakipang muka.
25:37.2
They're so brave enough not to be able to expose their faces in the public.
25:43.2
I'm sorry, Mr. Senate President,
25:45.2
but I read your rules of evidence.
25:48.2
If the substantive rights of people affected in this hearing,
25:52.2
they should also be protected.
25:54.2
How can we, for example, confront...
25:57.2
Yan yung sinasabi ko.
25:59.2
Yan yung sinasabi ko dito.
26:02.2
Yan yung number one,
26:04.2
na pina-violate dito sa Senate hearings.
26:06.2
Yung substantive rights
26:10.2
Pag substantive rights mga kabatas natin,
26:13.2
Karapatan mo tungkol sa batas.
26:17.2
In relation to substantive law.
26:21.2
Ano yung mga karapatan mo?
26:23.2
Rights against self-incrimination.
26:29.2
siyempre, ano rin yung karapatan mo?
26:32.2
na hindi ma-defame
26:35.2
Kung nagtatransgress na doon
26:40.2
hindi na yan yung proper venue.
26:43.2
Pero ginagawa pa rin nila.
26:45.2
The accusers, if they are all masked,
26:51.2
I am not defending the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
26:55.2
I will repeat this.
26:57.2
If this investigation will find out
27:01.2
na siya po ang nagpondo,
27:04.2
I will politely ask him to step down.
27:09.2
Pero alimbawa po kung
27:11.2
ito'y ginawa ni Anthony
27:13.2
about out of exasperation,
27:15.2
out of frustration,
27:17.2
because I think for the longest time,
27:19.2
the House of Representatives
27:21.2
have been inviting the Senate to meet with us
27:23.2
on a constituent assembly.
27:26.2
Mainit itong talakayan na ito, mga kabatas natin.
27:29.2
Sisisihin dito ni Marco Leta
27:33.2
yung mga senador.
27:36.2
Bakit hindi matuloy-tuloy
27:39.2
yung pag-amenda sa Constitution
27:42.2
sa pamamagitan ng isang constituent assembly?
27:46.2
Diba meron yung People's Initiative?
27:49.2
Pwedeng mag-amend ng Constitution sa pamamagitan nun.
27:52.2
Meron rin yung constituent assembly.
27:56.2
Yun yung mag-work together.
27:58.2
Itong Lower House at saka Upper House.
28:01.2
Yung pangatlo, yun yung Constitutional Commission.
28:07.2
So yung pangalawa, sabi niya dito, kasalanan niyo.
28:12.2
And the Senate repeatedly refused us.
28:14.2
This is on record, Madam Chair.
28:20.2
Kahit kailan po hindi natin magagampanan,
28:23.2
hindi natin magagamit
28:25.2
yung isang modality to change the Constitution.
28:28.2
Which is the constituent assembly.
28:31.2
Every time an invitation is issued to the Senate by the House,
28:41.2
So kailan po natin gagamitin ng constituent assembly?
28:46.2
Kaya nga, People's Initiative.
28:49.2
Sinusubukan nila. Pero we cannot din.
28:54.2
Sa pag sinasabi ng Senate.
28:56.2
Well, ang dami pong ano eh.
28:59.2
Okay, bago kami makipag-meet sa inyo,
29:03.2
you will have to agree
29:05.2
that separate voting,
29:07.2
ganun po palagang nangyayari.
29:10.2
Ito po ang nangyayari.
29:11.2
Ako po, matagal na ako sa Congress.
29:13.2
Kung hindi ako nagkakamali, Madam.
29:15.2
Sabi ni Rekul, Constitutional Convention, yan.
29:18.2
Yan yung nangyayari doon sa kay 1987.
29:26.2
Madam Chair, panahon pa po ni Speaker Belmonte.
29:30.2
Pinag-iisipan na natin ito.
29:32.2
Restrictive economic provisions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
29:36.2
But we never agree just to meet.
29:39.2
Alam po ninyo, Madam Chair, ang pinag-uusap lang, mag-meet lang po tayo.
29:45.2
ginigisa kayo nung
29:47.2
ni Marcoleta dyan sa sarili nyong lugar.
29:52.2
Ba't ayaw nyo makipag-meet sa amin?
29:54.2
Ba't kayo nandidiri?
29:56.2
Hindi naman nandidiri.
29:57.2
Tsaka na po natin pag-uusapan kung yung three-fourths is voting separately or not.
30:03.2
Madam Chair, wala po tayo.
30:06.2
Tama observation ni Atty. Marcoleta.
30:09.2
But that cannot be forced.
30:12.2
If the Senate does not want to amend the Constitution through a constituent assembly,
30:18.2
the House cannot force it.
30:20.2
Ganoon lang po yun, as simple as that.
30:23.2
Kaya nga, ayaw nyo kasi.
30:25.2
Parang sinasabi niya, ayaw namin.
30:29.2
No one is forcing, Senator.
30:33.2
there should be no complaint kasi we are two autonomous bodies.
30:37.2
Ayaw nung isa maki-meet sa constituent assembly.
30:39.2
The complaint arises from the fact that you do not want to meet with us.
30:44.2
So on question, how can we?
30:46.2
How can we make use of that particular modality?
30:50.2
It is the first modality.
30:53.2
That means that the present composition of both houses cannot avail of that mod.
31:00.2
Kasi ayaw nga nung isang house maki-meet.
31:02.2
So ano na po yan?
31:03.2
That's a political question.
31:05.2
Gamitin sa issue sa election.
31:07.2
Parang negative ako dito kay Koko Martina.
31:14.2
Kasi nga, parang sa tingin ko kailangan mong i-justify.
31:22.2
Kung bakit ayaw niyong makipag-meet.
31:25.2
When you yourselves told us in this particular hearing na,
31:32.2
at at siyempre doon sa previous declarations niyo,
31:36.2
na we need amendments to our constitution.
31:41.2
So you have to justify that.
31:43.2
Hindi lang naman, it's a political question.
31:45.2
We are two autonomous bodies.
31:48.2
Kung ayaw namin, you cannot question it.
31:51.2
You have to provide a reason why.
31:54.2
Because after all, you are representing the people who voted for you.
32:01.2
Our problem with the P.I. is yun na nga.
32:05.2
Therefore, we suspected some politicians to be behind the P.I.
32:11.2
Because ang tinutumbok nung people's initiative is the procedure sa constituent assembly.
32:19.2
changing the natural meaning of that section.
32:23.2
Well, if you've met with them,
32:28.2
then maybe you will not be having this problem.
32:30.2
What do you think?
32:37.2
And with all due respect to Congressman Mark Coleta,
32:40.2
that's likely a subject of another hearing and another meeting.
32:45.2
Okay, pinatay na mga kabatas natin.
32:47.2
Tapusin na rin natin itong livestream na ito.
32:50.2
Lipat tayo sa kabila.
32:51.2
Maraming salamat po.
32:52.2
At syempre tulad na lang yung sinasabi,
32:53.2
matulog po tayo ng mahimbing.
32:54.2
Dahil alam natin na yung natutulog ng mahimbing,
32:56.2
siya yung laging panalo.
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Paalam po, pansaman natin.
