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00:00.2
Mokla, President. Ano'y sabi ng MOCLEA?
00:02.9
Good morning, Mr. Chair.
00:03.8
Ano'y sabi ng MOCLEA?
00:04.9
Mokla Aya stands for Misamis Oriental Cagayan de Oro Lotto Agents Association.
00:10.5
Okay, go ahead, Mr. Urbana.
00:12.6
Thank you for this opportunity of knowing the situation in Mindanao.
00:18.7
Mr. Chair, as far as, there are two issues here that the Lotto Agents in Mindanao share with the Lotto Agents nationwide.
00:27.9
The first one is on e-Lotto.
00:31.4
And many has been said already about the deficiencies of PCSO in obtaining the necessary requirements and procedures prior to the implementation.
00:43.4
So we will leave that to the committee and for PCSO to rectify if there's what is needed to be corrected.
00:53.5
But as far as the Lotto Agents are concerned, we oppose.
00:57.9
E-Lotto, Mr. Chair, because that will eventually wipe out us from business and Lotto outlets will become useless and irrelevant.
01:10.1
At nabanggit din po kanina ni Ma'am Clarice Imperial, or ni Mr. de Guzman, yung pagpasok ng STL, nabawasin din kayo ng...
01:21.2
Sir, one of the reasons given by PCSO for the termination is because of...
01:27.9
But in our situation in Mindanao, we are not to be blamed if ever our sales are down.
01:39.3
First, our service provider there, Pacific Online, it's the same provider for e-Lotto.
01:45.9
When there is a downtime, when the machines are not in order, when we call them, nobody answers.
01:53.9
It takes weeks before our machines will be repaired.
01:57.9
What happened to our sales?
01:60.0
Pacific Online, pakisagot?
02:01.8
Napaka-inutil niyo po pala.
02:04.9
Mr. Chair, meron kasi tayong logistical sa Mindanao from our hub.
02:12.4
So nagkaroon din ng mga resignees yung nagkataon na wala tayong mga personnel at the time.
02:18.1
Isa lang yung naka-assign sa Cagayan area.
02:20.7
Kaya nag-re-replace kami.
02:22.2
It takes time to replace yung mga field services.
02:27.1
Magkakaroon kayo ng...
02:27.9
full staff para matugunan po yung mga problema nila?
02:30.9
Mr. Chair, wala na po kaming staff ngayon.
02:35.0
Nandikomission na po kami.
02:37.1
Yeah, because with the introduction of the FLX, Your Honor,
02:43.5
so the machines of being used by Pacific Online is not anymore being used.
02:50.0
But in the past, prior to the FLX, we are using those machines which are defective.
02:57.9
There's a joke among ourselves that when we call the hotline, it's a cold line because nobody answers.
03:03.6
And it takes weeks to...
03:05.1
So that's the first reason, Mr. Chair.
03:07.5
The second one is when ISTE-IL was implemented,
03:13.1
betters of the digit games because I would like to inform this committee that 80% of our total sales is on digit games,
03:27.9
So when ISTE-IL came into the picture, naturally, betters go to ISTE-IL.
03:34.4
Because the minimum bet in ISTE-IL is 1 peso, while the minimum bet in the Lotto audit is 10 pesos.
03:40.9
Aside from that, the payout in Lotto is 4,500 for 10 peso bet.
03:50.1
In ISTE-IL, for 1 peso, they are being paid 650 or 6,500 for our 10 peso bet.
03:56.3
So nobody goes to us anymore.
03:57.9
So in short, Attorney Pagano,
04:02.5
so hindi niyo po pwede sisihin yung mga operators ng Lotto outlets niyo kung mababa yung sales niya
04:09.2
dahil kayo mismo ang dahan-dahan pinapatay sila sa pamagitan ng paglagay ng ISTE-IL.
04:15.7
Have they been consulted bago yung nagkaroon ng ISTE-IL?
04:18.6
Mr. Chair, actually, these are the same issues that were raised before ISTE-IL was even launched, Mr. Chair.
04:27.9
May I just, because at the time, I was not yet there.
04:31.0
Kailan na-launch yung ISTE-IL?
04:35.3
Okay, I know it was before your term. I understand that.
04:37.6
But actually, Mr. Chair, all those sentiments regarding ISTE-IL were already raised during the ISTE-IL.
04:45.5
Yeah, anyway, sorry, ma'am.
04:47.7
In short, tamang nga naman naintindihan ko sinasabi nila,
04:52.0
kayo dyan sa PCSO, come and go kayo eh.
04:58.4
For so many years, dekada na, yun ang hanap buhay nila eh.
05:01.4
Kayo, darating kayo dyan, masisiga-sigaan, gagawa ng experimental na mga pulisiya,
05:08.1
tinatamaan sila dahil, at hindi sila kinukonsulta.
05:11.0
Dapat magkaroon mo lang kayo pag-ala na konsultahin sila dahil sila nga ang nagpapayaman sa PCSO.
05:17.4
Sila yung nagde-deliver ng pera sa PCSO.
05:19.5
Sila yung mga kalabaw ng PCSO.
05:21.4
And yet, pagdating ng oras, hindi sila kinukonsulta.
05:23.8
Ang masakla pa, sila pa ay pinaparosahan.
05:27.9
Nag-low ang sales at napapasara.
05:32.2
At gagagawa nyo yun kung ba't bumaba ang sales nila dahil naglagay kayo panibagong sugal.
05:36.8
Pag may panibagong sugal, panibagong kita.
05:39.5
Hindi lang sa PCSO, God knows kung sino pang makumikita.
05:43.6
Yeah, Mr. Jair, I may add, there's a third reason.
05:48.9
Before, STL is prohibited to play lotto games.
06:00.0
Yung sure-trace, it's a digit game, Your Honor.
06:04.0
The sure-trace, the 3-digit games.
06:06.6
Ah, 3-digit, okay.
06:07.8
That's called 3D.
06:09.5
And previously, STL is prohibited to play 3D because that is a lotto game.
06:17.0
But now, they are now allowed.
06:18.9
Kailan pa po ito?
06:20.6
This administration, Your Honor.
06:23.2
That's why, wala na.
06:25.7
Wala na naiwan sa amin, Mr. Honor.
06:27.9
So, Atty. Pagano, bakit pinayagan na mapunta sa STL yung 3-digit game na dapat hindi?
06:36.7
Ito pala ang isa pang kumakain sa kinikita ng mga lotto agents.
06:42.2
This was approved by the Office of the President, Mr. Chair.
06:48.8
Do you think I'm stupid?
06:51.2
Siyempre, kayo po nagpipigyan, whatever you feed to the Office of the President,
06:54.9
the Office of the President might say, yes.
06:57.9
Kayo po dyan sa mga Board of Directors, ang gumagawa ng pulisiya.
07:03.8
Don't tell me, si Presidente BBM, ang nagdeklara.
07:07.9
Anong pakialam ni Presidente BBM sa mga pulisiya sa lotto?
07:12.0
He's so busy with bigger problems that we have in our country.
07:15.9
Not the 3-digit game.
07:21.3
Don't tell me na si Presidente BBM ang may pakana na yung 3-digit game,
07:27.9
ilalaro na sa STL.
07:31.4
Kayo po dyan, mga Board of Directors, ipinig niyo po sa Office of the President.
07:36.9
Natural, yung Office of the President, siguro through the ES,
07:41.1
pipirma lang, pipirma yan, kasi sinubo niyo sa kanya.
07:44.0
Sinabi niyo, nagkaroon kami ng Board Resolution,
07:45.8
aprobado na na itong 3-digit game, ilalaro na sa STL,
07:49.2
isinubo niyo sa Office ng President, nandiyan sa DES, pipirma niyan.
07:56.0
Manggagaling sa inyo.
07:56.9
Don't tell me na...
07:57.9
Manggagaling kay Presidente mismo yung idea.
08:00.5
Kaya nga sabi ko, I'm not stupid.
08:02.9
Anyway, ang sa akin po, nakita ko aping-api talaga itong mga loto outlets natin.
08:10.6
Gusto ko po, yung napag-usapan, maibalik yung 2,000 na mga loto operators.
08:17.6
And then, yung iba pang mga pulisya na gagawin niyo po ngayon,
08:22.4
they have to be consulted.
08:23.5
Siguro, I would like Chairman Junico to be involved.
08:27.9
Nandiyan naman yung office niya and he'll be more than willing to assist.
08:30.8
Okay lang ba, Chairman Kua?
08:33.5
Yes, certainly, Mr. Chairman.
08:36.9
Yeah, kasi nakikita ko po, dihadong-dihado po sila for the longest time.
08:42.1
Mr. Chair, to end my testimony here, the problems have been exposed already.
08:49.6
So, if I may suggest solutions to the terminated 2,000 loto agents,
08:57.9
and even the existing 6,500 loto agents.
09:03.1
Number one, the long-term solution, as mentioned, is for PCSO to procure additional FLX machines.
09:10.7
Ano po, additional?
09:11.7
Additional FLX machines.
09:15.5
The present one that they are deploying to 6,500 loto agents.
09:20.9
So, procure more, especially to be given to the terminated 2,000 loto agents.
09:25.7
Yan nga po ang sinasabi ni Atty. Pagano,
09:27.9
it might take six to eight months, right?
09:30.8
Okay sa inyo yun, six to eight months.
09:32.8
Masa't may guarantee, Atty. Pagano, may guarantee na in six to eight months,
09:36.7
may bibigyan doon sa mga 2,000 na nawalan.
09:43.2
Sorry, eight to ten months.
09:45.3
Mr. Chair, we understand the legal procedures and requirements for the procurement.
09:50.6
And as Ms. Imperial mentioned, eight to ten months, we are dead by that time.
09:56.6
So, the second suggestion...
09:57.9
The second suggestion that I made for the mid-June term is to use the machines of PGMC,
10:07.9
which was the legacy, which was used here in Luzon.
10:13.1
And to my understanding, it is still usable.
10:17.9
So, as a stopgap measure, maybe we can use that.
10:21.6
And we are made to understand that there was a study made by the...
10:27.9
game sector that it's not anymore usable or it's not compatible.
10:33.9
But I'm sorry to say this, but that is a self-serving statement.
10:38.2
Let an independent entity check whether it can still be used.
10:43.5
Because you are willing.
10:44.4
Now, of course, there will be problems because it's an old machine.
10:49.4
But that is better than none.
10:53.9
Okay, may suggestion po ako ganito.
10:57.9
Pwede po yung eight to ten months na FLX machines.
11:02.9
Bakit hindi po muna natin paggamitin sila nitong legacy fixed terminal?
11:11.8
Kasi naintindihan ko po yung sinasabi ni Ms. Imperial.
11:15.4
Eh, 10,000 ang renta bawat buwan.
11:18.0
Nakatenga lang sila at wala silang kinikita.
11:21.8
Eh, 10,000 times eight, that's 80,000.
11:25.9
That is not ours, Mr. Chair.
11:27.9
And that was under a lease agreement.
11:32.2
Yung lease agreement which has already expired.
11:35.6
Ah, yung itong legacy?
11:37.9
Those terminals are not ours.
11:40.5
The lease agreement over those terminals has already expired last year, Mr. Chair.
11:46.9
So wala na gumagamit nito?
11:49.2
And it's owned by PGMC.
11:51.3
I have not even talked to PGMC if they still have those terminals.
11:58.7
Yeah, it was mentioned in the previous hearing that our President, Ms. Javier,
12:05.1
have approached the office of the OGCC.
12:07.8
And the OGCC is willing to extend the ELA, the Equipment Lease Agreement,
12:15.5
in order for those machines...
12:16.7
Oh, you know, correct. So we...
12:17.0
It's just waiting for the request from PCSO so that OGCC can give its opinion.
12:24.4
Nandito ba yung OGCC?
12:28.4
Attorney Katrina Reyes, ma'am.
12:32.2
Your Honor, I was not ready to that meeting.
12:34.7
But can you check?
12:35.3
I would have to check, yes.
12:36.5
Can you make a phone call now?
12:40.5
So kung merong ganon na...
12:43.3
Ano sabi niyo ulit?
12:44.5
Instructions from OGCC na extend yung lease para ma-accommodate po yung sitwasyon ninyo?
12:50.3
Ma'am Evelyn can...
12:52.0
No, no. Gusto ko lang.
12:53.3
Yes, Mr. Chairman.
12:54.9
Kung merong ganon...
12:55.8
They're willing to extend sana until January, until such time na maka-order sila ng bagong machine.
13:02.4
January this year?
13:04.0
Pero nag-lapse na?
13:05.6
Nag-lapse na po. Pero hindi po sila kasi nag-appeal eh. They were only asking kung pwede sila mag-appeal.
13:11.0
I mean, from the general manager to appeal. I mean, Sir Arnel Casas, AGM Casas knows that.
13:16.7
Okay. Tapos na po yun eh. Okay. What around the bridge? Pag-usapan po natin ngayon.
13:22.4
So, pwede ba ulit mag-issue ang OGCC?
13:25.8
Hindi na pwede. Too late na.
13:27.8
Well, if PCSO would ask, siguro po.
13:31.6
If PCSO would appeal, I would ask.
13:33.4
Just to accommodate the 2,000 outlet agents.
13:35.4
Mr. Chair, I will just have to answer this regarding legal requirements.
13:41.5
An expired contract can no longer be extended. As I mentioned, that is an expired contract.
13:47.3
And I don't think OGCC will have jurisdiction or authority to order PCSO to extend a contract that has...
13:55.8
Well, anyway, sabi lang po nila yan. Kaya nga, sabi ni Atty. Reyes, she's not aware of it.
14:05.7
That's why I said make a phone call. But anyway, January pa pala, nag-expire na.
14:10.0
Ganito na lang po, kasi marami pa akong tatakel. Meron pa tayong pag-core. Mahaba-haba rin po.
14:14.4
Kasi, sige po, para hindi ma...
14:17.6
Yeah, one last thing, Mr. Chair. As an immediate assistant to the Lotto agent,
14:25.6
We request that STL Games, kinuha na yung Lotto sa e-Lotto, kinuha na po yung 3D sa STL Games.
14:33.6
We request that STL Games can be played inside Lotto outlets.
14:39.8
And that will make us survive until such time that the FLH machine will come in.
14:46.0
Pero yung STL, may mga operators yun?
14:48.7
Opo. In other words, the AEC, the Authorized Agent Corporations, will be allowed to tap the...
14:55.6
the Lotto outlets to play STL inside Lotto Games.
15:00.1
Then, we will survive.
15:03.4
Okay, social media, ng pulay.
15:05.7
Mr. Chair, yung request po namin na yung STL, sana sa amin na lang...
15:11.8
Kasi may mga pwesto po kami.
15:14.5
Actually po, nagka-STL po ako dati sa loob ng Lotto ko.
15:19.6
Kasi may tumabing STL sa Lotto ko. Sabi ko, ipasok niyo sa akin.
15:23.3
Ang problema sa STL kasi minsan...
15:25.6
Minsan legal, minsan legal. Hindi namin alam ko alinang legal.
15:27.8
O yan, kasi karamihan sa mga STL mayari, mga gambling lord din eh.
15:31.0
O kaya po, ang pakiusap lang po namin, yung immediate na makakatulong po sa amin mga Lotto agents,
15:37.2
is yung STL, ipasok na lang po sa loob ng Lotto.
15:39.8
I don't know, the legal technical, kasi yung STL may mga kontrata na yan.
15:44.4
At ito ni Pagano, possible ba yung request nila na pwedeng magtaya ang STL doon sa mga machines nila?
15:54.1
Actually, Mr. Chair.
15:55.6
Mr. Chair, the STL has a separate IRR, which has already been in place since the time it started in 2017.
16:06.7
Iba rin po ang draw court ng STL, kaya I'm not really familiar with the procedure that they are proposing
16:13.2
because STL has its own draw court, and it is required that they are 200 meters away from the Lotto outlet.
16:21.0
So yung pag nagpapataya sila ng STL doon, illegal nga ho yun eh.
16:26.8
Ganito lang po, sorry ah, kasi meron po po tayong pag-court.
16:33.0
I need to talk to Chairman Juni Cua, na dito po sa mga hinahing nila na hindi pa natatapos ngayon,
16:40.4
continuous investigation na gagawin natin, with your help, na kayo po magtutulay sa PCSO,
16:47.1
sa GM's office, at kung ano pang department sa PCSO, to help them out.
16:55.6
Ah, Chairman Cua, because I believe in your credibility. I really do.
17:00.5
Ah, thank you. Thank you, ah, Mr. Chairman.
17:03.4
Ah, if tasked by, by your honor, ah, I certainly, ah, will be more than willing to, ah, to try to find, ah, solutions to this problem.
17:20.1
Kasi nandiyan ka na, insider ka na eh. Dahil anong nangyari, pag sila daw ay nakipag-communicate sa PCSO,
17:25.6
pinaikot-ikot sila, at umabot ng napakatagal na panahon bago sila sinasagot.
17:32.5
Whereas kung, eh, kayo po maging tulay, alam ko, mabilis kayo umaksyon, agad-agad may parating niyo sa kanila yung problema ng grupo.
17:42.4
Yeah. Eh, okay lang sa akin, Mr. Chairman.
17:47.2
Okay. Sorry po talaga, kasi kung lahat po kayo, abutin tayo another five hours dito.
17:52.6
Kasi one hour, one hour, one hour, one hour, ubos tayo. Sorry, ah.
17:55.6
Ah, really need to wrap, wrap this up. Kasi meron pa akong dalawang issue sa inyo, ah, and then meron pa tayong pag-core.
18:02.2
Ayaw ko naman abutin tayo hanggang gabi sa issue lang natin dito.
18:05.9
So, sige, two more. Go ahead po.
18:09.2
Ah, Mr. Chair, ah, last year po, nag-approach na po kami kay Chairman Kuwa regarding po dun sa ginagamit ng STL yung result namin.
18:16.8
Tapos, nagulat kami, in-approve ng PCSO na gamitin yung result ng 3D.
18:24.5
Lumapit kayo kay Chairman Kuwa.
18:25.6
Si Chairman Kuwa?
18:26.1
Dapo. Nag-reglamo po yung mga lotto agents na ginagamit ng STL yung result ng 3D, especially sa Visayas, Mindanao, and 2D sa Luzon.
18:35.9
So, walang nagawa si Chairman?
18:37.1
Hindi ko po alam.
18:38.8
Sorry, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Kuwa.
18:40.7
Ah, I recall that this problem was, ah, ah, relayed and brought to my attention.
18:50.5
And of course, these matters are decisions to be made by the board.
18:55.6
And I recall that when this matter was brought to the board, I expressed a different opinion.
19:02.8
Ah, okay. So, you expressed a different opinion, but was that communicated to them?
19:08.1
Para malaman nila na gusto mong mangyari yung request nila, kaya lang na-outvoted ka because you're only one.
19:17.0
You're a member of the board also, right?
19:18.7
Yes, yes. I'm the chairman. I also vote.
19:21.5
Kaya nga, isang vote. Pero dapat na-communicate yung po sa kanila.
19:24.5
Ah, that was already, when the board decided, it was of course executed by the management, and it was relayed to them.
19:35.1
Kasi po, isang vote lang po siya eh.
19:37.3
So, ah, it doesn't mean na dumapit kayo sa kanya, wala siyang ginawa, eh meron siyang ginawa, kaya lang.
19:43.1
Actually, sabi po ni Chairman, ah, ah, kapi naman po siya sa amin, ayaw niya kung ginagamit ng STL yung result ng 3D.
19:51.1
Kaya naman po, ah, Mr. Chairman, pag meron po sila mga hinahinay,
19:54.5
and then pumunta sila sa iyo, and then kung sa tingin niyo po, pinaikot-ikot kayo, pwede ba kayo pumunta sa amin,
19:59.7
hihiring natin, para ma-expose in the name of transparency, malaman natin kung umaksyon ba o hindi ang PCSO.
20:08.0
Okay, ganoon na naman po. At least meron na kayong tulay, si Chairman.
20:11.4
And I really trust his credibility. I know, Chairman Kua, this gentleman has been a public servant for so many years,
20:21.2
and impeccable po ang kanyang credibility.
20:24.5
So, nakita niyo naman po yung, ah, hindi niya natugunan yung sumbong dahil isa lang siya sa board. Pinagbubutuhan po yan. Okay?
20:33.8
Thank you po. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Chairman Kua.
20:36.6
So, sunod po na ating, ma'am, meron pa ulit? Ah, thank you.
20:41.5
Sunod po natin ngayon ay, nandito ba yung DILG?
20:49.4
Did we invite DILG?
20:57.4
We have to issue us a pin at DILG.
20:59.7
Tumataga DILG? Anong nangyari? Sabi, on the way?
21:13.3
Tawag niyo sa secretary ng DILG? Meron ba tayong cellphone? Can you call him?
21:17.9
Grabe naman tumataga DILG na ito.
21:20.1
The reason why we need to talk to the DILG,
21:23.6
doon sa sumbong pa ng mga members ng PULAI, na pinagbabayad ng business permit ang mga outlets,
21:36.4
samantala meron desisyon ang Supreme Court na hindi na dapat.
21:43.6
So, bakit itong mga taga-LGU, dapat to the DILG, ayaw sumunod?
21:52.7
Meron ba taga-Batangas dito, LGU?
21:56.0
Kayo po, City Legal, Batangas City?
21:58.2
Atty. Sani Jose Rica Blanca.
22:00.7
Good morning, Your Honors.
22:03.0
Atty. Rica Blanca, hindi niyo po nirespeto itong desisyon ng Supreme Court?
22:10.6
Your Honor, good morning.
22:11.9
First, we would like to clarify, Your Honor, that we are only imposing a mayor's permit fee at a fixed rate of P5,000.
22:20.2
We are not imposing a business permit fee at a fixed rate of P5,000.
22:22.6
We are not imposing a business permit fee at a fixed rate of P5,000.
22:22.7
We are imposing a business fee based on the commissions earned of the lotto agents, Your Honor.
22:27.0
And we have reviewed all the jurisprudence that have been cited by the PCSO
22:31.4
and the letter sent to us by the PCSO's Vice Chairman year 2022.
22:38.6
And we believe, Your Honor, that these cases are not applicable to the issue at hand.
22:43.8
Dito po sa desisyon ng Korte Suprema, kailangan po nila kumuha ng mayor's permit.
22:50.0
Pero hindi nila kailangang magbayad ng mayor's fee.
22:52.7
Yan po yung nakalagay dito eh.
22:55.3
Yung iba po nagkukumplay na.
22:56.6
So kayo nilang po dyan sa Batangas, ayaw pa magkumplay.
23:01.5
May kopya ko kayo nito.
23:02.9
In fact, I understand, napadala nila po kayo ng letter ng DLG.
23:06.4
Or yung DLG nagpalabas na ng kanilang opinion.
23:08.4
Kaya gusto ko nandito yung DLG para yung DLG mismo magsasalita at magsasabi.
23:12.6
Eh kaso itong DLG hindi sumipot.
23:15.3
So, ito po, wala ba kayong kopya nito?
23:19.4
Your Honors, meron po. Nakatanggap po kami.
23:22.7
We have already submitted our position paper yesterday, Your Honor.
23:26.3
Canceling those who was produced.
23:27.6
Position paper na hindi nyo susundin itong Supreme Court's decision na sinasabi,
23:32.2
okay lang magbayad, mag-apply sila ng mayor's permit.
23:37.9
Pero hindi na dapat sila kailangang magbayad ng mayor's fee.
23:45.1
Kasi maliit na nga lang kita nila, sir.
23:46.9
Eh kita mo, hindi ka ba naawaan?
23:48.5
Kanyang pinag-usapan natin na kinakawawa sila.
23:50.8
Nandiyan pa yung STL na,
23:52.7
patay na yung kanilang kita,
23:54.3
na yung three-digit, et cetera, et cetera.
23:58.4
Tapos, sisingilin pa sila ang limang libo.
24:02.4
Sisingilin sila po yung sa environmental,
24:05.7
o yung fire inspection.
24:08.9
Ako, ano man tawag doon?
24:12.0
Regulatory fees po.
24:14.7
Okay sa inyo, di ba?
24:15.7
Yung sa mayor's fee, ang malaki, 5,000.
24:18.3
Dapat tablado na yun.
24:20.0
Kasi yun ang sinasabi rito.
24:25.1
Kasi kung hindi, makukuntem kayo.
24:28.7
Di man, di mo lang.
24:29.5
Marami pa naman yung mga negosyo sa Batangas na
24:31.6
pwede niyo po sigurong, di ba?
24:34.0
Patawan ng mayor's permit fee.
24:37.5
We will look into it, Your Honor.
24:39.5
I will submit, Your Honor.
24:40.2
Thank you very much,
24:41.2
Atty. Sunny Monserica Blanca.
24:43.7
At thank you in advance doon sa inyong mayor.
24:45.7
What's the name of your mayor, sir?
24:47.3
Beverly Rose Dimacuha, Your Honor.
24:58.3
Parang ayaw ko nang banggitin ito pero
25:00.8
since nasa agenda, itong mga kabo ng STL
25:03.8
na napag-usapan no last time.
25:06.3
Itong STL, galit sila sa STL eh.
25:08.3
But anyway, trabahador din ito.
25:09.3
Yung mga kabo na walang SSS Pilat Pag-ibig.
25:15.3
Di ba nung naghiring tayo dito many times,
25:18.3
many months ago, sabi niyo magkakaroon na po.
25:21.3
Sinulatan niyo ako.
25:22.3
So, magkakaroon na po ng benefits yung itong mga kabo
25:27.3
kasi ito naman talaga ang kumukolekta ng taya,
25:29.3
kubrador, umulan man, uminit.
25:33.3
E pag nagkasakit, wala silang pambayad sa hospitalization.
25:37.3
Magmamakaawa pa sila sa mga STL operators.
25:40.3
Kuminsan nakakatikim pa sila mas sakit na salita.
25:44.3
So, ano na pong status itong mga kabo?
25:48.3
Meron na po ba silang mga benefits?
25:51.3
Actually, Mr. Chair,
25:53.3
for an STL to be able to operate,
25:55.3
they have to submit SSS and PhilHealth coverage of their employees.
26:00.3
However, for the AACs,
26:02.3
the kabos and kubradores are actually not regular employees.
26:07.3
They come and go, Mr. Chair.
26:09.3
Meron niyang housewife, papasok siya ngayon, mangungulekta siya.
26:15.3
Tomorrow, wala na po siya.
26:19.3
to be honest, Mr. Chair,
26:21.3
it really depends on the legislative bodies
26:25.3
to pass the requisite law regarding this
26:28.3
because this involves SSS and PhilHealth.
26:31.3
There are provisions of the SSS law.
26:34.3
In fact, if you don't cover your employees,
26:36.3
that's a criminal case,
26:38.3
as well as the PhilHealth law.
26:40.3
So, unfortunately, project or mga...
26:44.3
Atty. Pagano, Ma'am!
26:47.3
Ma'am, for the second time,
26:49.3
please don't make me stupid here.
26:52.3
Ma'am, yung sinasabi mo, totoo yun.
26:54.3
May mga housewife come and go.
26:56.3
Pero that's only 1%.
26:58.3
Yung 99%, they stick.
27:01.3
Sila pa rin po yung nangungulekta.
27:03.3
Kaya nga po, kumikita po ng bilyones
27:06.3
ito po mga STL operators
27:08.3
kasi kung sila come and go yung kanilang mga kolektor,
27:10.3
hindi sana kikita silang gano'ng kalaki.
27:12.3
Kaya sila kumikita mong gano'ng kalaki
27:14.3
dahil may mga suki-suki na yan,
27:15.3
yung mga kubradore kabo,
27:16.3
may mga suki na yan.
27:18.3
Yung pagtataya nila, regular na.
27:22.3
kailangan po talaga
27:24.3
magkaroon ng benefits ito mga kabo.
27:29.3
Siguro pwede niyo po ilagay doon sa
27:31.3
kondisyon sa pagbibigay ng prangkisa
27:34.3
sa mga STL operators na dapat
27:36.3
merong SSS PIL pag-ibig ang inyong mga
27:40.3
Pag hindi, kakanselain ang inyong
27:44.3
Gano'n lang po yun.
27:45.3
Kung gugusto yun,
27:47.3
Kung ayaw, maraming dahilan.
27:48.3
Di po ba, Madam Attorney?
27:51.3
So, gusto ko po sa susunod ng hearing,
27:54.3
meron po tayo kumikita ang concrete document
27:56.3
na decision na talaga magkakaroon na po
28:01.3
ng benefits itong mga kabo.
28:03.3
Kasi itong mga STL operators,
28:07.3
and you will agree with me,
28:09.3
some of them are gambling lords.
28:13.3
Bong Pineda, ang daming STL.
28:16.3
Kilalang gambling lord yan.
28:20.3
One more thing, Mr. Chair.
28:23.3
Yung po ang cancellation po ang problema po namin up to now.
28:27.3
Kasi po talagang malaki yung problema po lahat ng mga loto agents, loto tellers yan eh.
28:32.3
Kung sinasabi, yung cancellation po, ng ticket cancellation.
28:37.3
Yan po yung pinakamabigat na na...
28:39.3
Thank you, thank you.
28:40.3
Hindi nalista ng staff ko dito.
28:42.3
Ticket cancellation,
28:45.3
nangyari nag-aabono yung mga teller.
28:51.3
Nagbigyan ng example.
28:53.3
Eh, hindi naman kagustuhan nila na ika-cancel-in yun.
28:58.3
Kasi yung mananaya, sabi ayoko yung ticket niyan, mali yan.
29:01.3
Hindi yan ang tinayaan ko.
29:06.3
Actually, Mr. Chair, as mentioned to you by GM Robles last time,
29:11.3
the reason cancellation was stopped is because,
29:14.3
PCSO was losing 500,000 per day.
29:19.3
I think if you remember, Mr. Chair, I was here also during that hearing.
29:23.3
500,000 pesos per day, PCSO was losing that kind of money.
29:29.3
It was, there was a time that it amounted to 17 million pesos for a month.
29:36.3
Now, I understand the plight of the tellers, especially the tellers, not the agents, Mr. Chair.
29:43.3
But what we are looking into now is that we will allow cancellations under very stringent requirements.
29:53.3
That it is not a simple, they deduct the cancellations from their sales.
30:00.3
There is a process, Mr. Chair.
30:03.3
The Commission on Audit, we've already consulted the Commission on Audit.
30:09.3
This is similar to a money claim against government.
30:12.3
Because a cancellation is deducted from the sales, Mr. Chair.
30:16.3
Like mentioned by GM Robles last time.
30:19.3
Mas marami pa ho ang cancellations kesa sa sales nung isang lotto agent na to.
30:24.3
I hope they will let me finish my statement, Mr. Chair.
30:28.3
Regarding cancellations, we are looking into already the return of the option to cancel.
30:37.3
But under very stringent requirements.
30:39.3
It will be on a basis of reimbursement.
30:41.3
It will have to be looked at, validated by our branch manager or our personnel.
30:48.3
Ma'am, napakahabang proseso yan.
30:50.3
Ang sinasabi nila last time, kung maalala ko, bigyan sila ng window na they are able to cancel that mismong taya.
31:01.3
That's what we did last time, Mr. Chair.
31:03.3
That was what the teller used to do a lot of cancellations.
31:08.3
They were given a window of five minutes, Mr. Chair.
31:10.3
From the cancellation.
31:13.3
My question is, this actually is disadvantageous to the government.
31:18.3
We were losing 500,000 pesos a day.
31:20.3
Okay, I know. You were losing 500,000.
31:23.3
How about the small tellers that are losing a lifetime savings or the whole month's salary because of this kapalpakan ng computer system?
31:32.3
No, that's not, Mr. Chair.
31:34.3
Hindi kasi, Atty. Pagano, nandito ko naman, di ba?
31:36.3
Yung sinasabi nila, yung mga numero na...
31:39.3
Na ilagay doon sa ticket na hindi naman dapat, na nagkamali po yung system error po.
31:46.3
Inaadmit ni GM to, nangyari to.
31:48.3
And yet, sa kanila, dinidita.
31:52.3
That is a general statement, Mr. Chair.
31:54.3
Pero paano yun? Paano yun?
31:56.3
Paano yun? Inaadmit nyo naman na nangyari yun.
32:00.3
Na nagkakamali. Nakalala ko yan, thermal paper, hindi maganda.
32:03.3
Okay, mali yung pagka-print.
32:06.3
Okay, hindi nababasa or...
32:08.3
Mali yung printer. Tapos meron pa yung system.
32:14.3
Imbis na tinataya niya system 3, lumabas system 8. Wala siya pambayad.
32:18.3
So, that needs to be cancelled.
32:20.3
Ngayon, aalis yung mananayo. Wala siyang pera eh. Ayoko yan eh.
32:24.3
Ang laki-laki yan, 6,000. Ang pera ko lang dito, kunyari 3,000.
32:27.3
Eh silang mag-absolve ng 6,000.
32:29.3
So, paano yun? Paano solution po nangyari nyo doon?
32:32.3
Okay, that's why we need to classify the reason for the cancellation.
32:37.3
If the cancellation is caused by the paper, that's why may validation po yan, Mr. Chair.
32:41.3
Hindi pwedeng teller lang magsabi, ay, cancel to, deduct ko sa sumo.
32:45.3
So, what you're saying is merong validation process.
32:49.3
So, pupunta sa PCSO, ang mga teller ipapakita yung ticket, itipa-validate ng PCSO.
32:55.3
Dati naman po talaga yun.
32:59.3
Is that fair enough, Chairman?
33:07.3
the damage is a result not coming from the teller, then I think the...
33:18.3
Okay, yung reimbursement process.
33:20.3
Sa tingin ko pwede.
33:23.3
So, what they're saying, Ma'am, okay si Chairman doon na,
33:29.3
i-reimburse na lang meron kasi validation process, pupunta sa PCSO, ipapakita, ipunin yung mga ticket na dapat na-cancel.
33:34.3
So, what they're saying, Ma'am, okay si Chairman doon na, i-reimburse na lang meron kasi validation process, pupunta sa PCSO, ipapakita, ipunin yung mga ticket na dapat na-cancel.
33:36.3
dapat na-cancel, and then reimburse nila.
33:39.8
Even before they were required to
33:42.0
keep the tickets, kasi Mr. Chair,
33:44.7
kung may problema yung
33:46.7
papel, then sisingilin namin yung
33:48.6
supplier. Kung may problema yung
33:50.4
equipment, sisingilin namin. Pwede bang mapakita kayo ng
33:52.4
record para malaman nila
33:54.6
na nagsasabi kayo ng totoo
33:56.6
na the government were
33:58.5
losing half a million a month?
34:00.8
Yes, we have that.
34:02.9
We will submit to the committee.
34:05.7
If you want, from January
34:11.4
under the old system.
34:13.3
Magkano po ang ano?
34:27.6
system, we were losing
34:39.5
For the month of October and November,
34:41.9
for October, we lost
34:45.4
Okay, so very clear to us.
34:46.9
Basta pakita niyo yung record sa amin na talagang
34:49.0
nawawalang kayo ng pera because of this cancellation.
34:51.6
The list as well of the lotto agents,
34:54.6
Meron na kayong patakaran in place yung bang
34:56.6
validation process at
35:00.2
sila may reimburse?
35:01.3
That's what we are crafting now, Mr. Chair.
35:05.6
practically should be
35:07.6
given time instead of
35:11.5
their crying stories.
35:12.9
So what's wrong with that na
35:14.9
kailang may validation process
35:17.5
dahil magpapakita silang records dito na talagang
35:21.6
hundreds of thousands?
35:22.3
Mr. Chair, hindi naman po lahat ng lotto outlets
35:24.8
nagkakaroon ng cancellation.
35:26.6
Ang tanong ko lang, ano pong problema niyo doon?
35:29.7
Ma'am, isa-isa lang.
35:30.8
Anong problema niyo po doon na
35:32.9
i-refund naman daw, i-reimburse as
35:35.6
long as meron, dadaan na sa
35:37.6
isang validation process?
35:39.1
Mr. Chair, cancel na po yun eh.
35:41.4
Cancel na po yun. Hindi na po kasama sa sales yun.
35:49.6
reader, usually na abot
35:51.4
misan 5,000, 6,000. Wala naman po
35:55.5
Kailan pa? Kung everyday ho may error
35:57.5
yung machine, lalaki ho yan.
35:59.4
Paano po yun? Kasi misan ho darating
36:01.6
yung technician, tatawag yung technician,
36:03.9
nagkakaroon, basa,
36:05.6
bumabasa na mali yung
36:07.5
machine. So, lilinisin, maayos na.
36:09.9
So, ilang basa na po yung nagkamali?
36:11.7
Example, tatlong 20. Sa pagitan
36:15.9
Yun yung nangiging problema
36:17.2
ng bagong machine. Masyado pong sensitive, lalo
36:19.4
kung ngayon. Kaya po nagmamadali kami
36:21.0
na kailangan magkaroon na po ng cancellation.
36:23.8
Kasi everyday po may nag-aabono.
36:25.4
Ma'am, okay. Kung by the thousands
36:29.2
cancellation, wala naman pa ang
36:31.2
abono to sila. Kung 5,000
36:33.5
6,000, magkaroon ng sweldo ng teller.
36:37.5
Kung nakatatlong cancellation
36:41.4
ubus yung sweldo na yun, sinasabi ko.
36:45.5
acknowledge na nalulugin PCSO
36:47.8
ng 500,000. Eh kung
36:49.5
nag-augment nga kayo by the hundreds of millions,
36:51.6
500 million, yung 500,000
36:54.9
Sir, please. Sorry po, ha?
36:58.3
Kung nag-augment kayo ng
37:01.6
may manalo lang ng isa,
37:05.1
na malulugi kayo? Although, dapat
37:06.7
hindi nalulugin PCSO. Gawa nyo ng paraan
37:09.2
na hindi naman madedihado
37:10.9
itong, ma'am, sandali lang.
37:13.2
Kasi nagsalita ako, taasang kayo ng kamay.
37:15.1
Nalilito po ako, please. Okay?
37:19.7
Diba sila? Paano kung yung wala silang
37:23.0
Dapat pag mag-usap kayo, you have to
37:25.0
come up with a system. Yes, Mr. Chair.
37:31.2
cap. Like, for example, you can
37:33.1
you're allowed five
37:35.1
cancellations or something to that effect,
37:37.4
Mr. Chair. And then, more than that
37:39.4
threshold, they really have
37:41.4
to report that to the hotline.
37:43.2
Ang nakakapagtaka kasi, Mr. Chair, based
37:45.3
on our, ano, ang lagi nalang
37:47.4
nakakancel, 2D, 4D?
37:53.3
4D. Yan po lagi. Bakit? Bakit? Bakit?
37:57.1
Without having to say who did
37:59.3
what. Ang gagawin nila,
38:02.0
kunwari, nakancel yun,
38:03.6
kasi if hindi naman yun,
38:05.1
makliklaim, kung hindi winning ticket
38:09.2
good as canceled na yun, kanila na yung
38:11.2
yung taya na yun. Ngayon,
38:13.3
pag nanalo yun, kaya na rin nilang
38:15.1
anuhin yun, bayaran yung 4, 5
38:19.5
So, ibig sabihin, nilalabanan?
38:21.2
Nilalabanan po eh. And you have
38:23.2
those records to show na puro
38:25.0
4D, 3D? 2D, 3D, 4D po.
38:28.5
Pero yung pumunta
38:29.3
dito nung last time, hindi. Yung talagang
38:31.5
regular loto game,
38:35.1
I did not see the
38:37.2
proof that they presented. I did not
38:39.4
see those documents. Kaya nga po,
38:41.2
lalabas ko kayo ng pulisya na
38:43.0
maging stick kayo dun sa mga 4D, 3D,
38:47.4
Pero dun po sa mga
38:48.4
big loto games, eh
38:51.2
dapat, agad-agad,
38:55.1
hindi naman pwedeng dayayin yun, hindi naman pwedeng labanan
38:58.3
makancel para hindi na mag-abunin yung mga
39:05.1
Doon sa mga 4D, 3D?
39:06.9
We will classify again.
39:08.5
So magkano ng classification?
39:13.7
Mr. Chair, I just simply don't understand
39:16.4
as to why they're saying they're losing money.
39:18.4
They're not naman even paying the cancellations.
39:20.5
I mean, we suffer paying
39:22.2
because we needed to, ano, wala na po
39:24.3
cancellation, diba? So, kung
39:26.0
during the cancellation, they're losing,
39:28.9
why are they going to lose
39:30.3
with the cancellation? I-cancel na nga po yun,
39:32.7
hindi naman papasok sa sales yun.
39:34.1
So, it's just, you know,
39:36.5
I mean, where's the logic there that
39:38.1
you know, they're saying that they're losing
39:40.8
Attorney Pagano, she's making sense here.
39:44.1
She's not a lotto agent kasi
39:45.9
she doesn't understand.
39:46.9
Cancelled na yun. Bakit pa nga pala malulugi
39:51.3
sa mga tickets na cancelled?
39:54.4
Hindi na nga pumasok pala yun
39:55.9
sa kaban ng PCSO.
39:59.9
They make it appear that it was
40:02.0
cancelled and they deducted
40:04.0
that, okay, you have
40:06.0
sales, example. Example, sir.
40:08.5
Magbigay ako ng example.
40:14.1
Para hindi masyadong malaki.
40:15.9
4D. Ang sales niya
40:22.2
May cancel siya. May cancel.
40:29.5
Okay, ito naman na.
40:30.4
Lalabas sa records nila,
40:34.0
PCSO, halimbawa, sa 4D.
40:36.7
Oh, cancelled, how much?
40:40.0
Hindi, ang sales po niya, 6,150.
40:43.6
Ang cancelled niya,
40:49.2
Ang net sales niya, 390.
40:54.8
Yung nalang po natira.
40:56.4
Ah, okay. So, ibig sabihin,
40:58.0
ibinawas yung cancelled
40:59.9
doon sa sales na pumasok
41:06.5
We have naman, Mr. Chair,
41:08.6
we have the documents.
41:10.2
We're not making this up.
41:11.7
It's not as if we can make up all this data.
41:14.8
Okay. Siguro po, kailangan din natin
41:16.6
ng third party auditor
41:19.7
para tingnan yung records ninyo
41:23.0
mabanggain doon sa records nila.
41:25.8
We will welcome that, Mr. Chair,
41:27.4
para matapos na one and for all
41:29.1
yung issue nila about that.
41:30.4
And then, siguro, bigyan nyo kami ng
41:32.5
record para ipakasal.
41:34.0
Pasa namin sa kanila.
41:35.3
Yung mga sinasabing yung
41:36.5
lugi ng 500,000 by the hundreds of thousands.
41:39.8
Bigyan natin sila ng kopya
41:41.0
so they can study it.
41:42.0
We will welcome that, Mr. Chair.
41:42.7
And then, pwede nilang kontahin.
41:45.1
Pag kinunta nila,
41:46.1
pupunta sila kay Chairman Kuwa.
41:48.7
And then, mag-uusap-usap
42:00.7
For matters not taking up
42:02.5
due to lack of time,
42:04.0
I request everybody to submit
42:06.8
their position paper,
42:11.0
Para maka-ano na muna kami
42:12.8
ng pag-core naman
42:17.8
Suspend muna kami.
