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00:00.0
Senator Tulfo, you have the floor.
00:02.2
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
00:04.7
Magkano pong binibigay
00:06.1
na cash assistance
00:07.7
sa bawat surrendering po?
00:12.0
MILF, we are giving
00:19.9
Ilan po yung surrendering?
00:22.4
We term it decommissioned,
00:25.0
Ilan po yung nagsurrender na nabigyan ng 100,000 each?
00:27.5
26,132 decommissioned.
00:32.1
Ilan po yung barel?
00:39.6
ang nabigyan ng 100,000 each
00:42.3
at ang kapalit ay
00:46.5
Hindi po ba kayo nag-conduct na investigation
00:48.0
bakit ganito kalaking discrepancy?
00:51.3
At ano po naging result
00:52.3
ng inyong investigation? At meron po bang
00:53.8
nanagot? Meron po bang nasiba?
01:02.3
to the implementing panel, considering
01:04.0
that, as we have said,
01:06.1
we have a security judgment.
01:07.8
Sorry, sir. Sorry. Ang talong ko po,
01:10.3
nag-conduct na ho ba kayo na investigation?
01:12.8
Kasi ang laking pera po dito
01:14.3
and discrepancy, 26 versus
01:16.2
4,000. We're talking about
01:17.9
the hundreds of millions na dito siguro.
01:19.4
Sir, we investigated the documents
01:21.6
of our agreement and we have not
01:23.4
seen any document
01:25.2
that... Teka nga po, yung nag-disbursement,
01:27.5
yung nagbigay ng pera,
01:28.7
100,000 each surrendering na umabot
01:31.3
ng 26,000, sino po yun?
01:36.4
Kasi ang gagawin nyo lang po,
01:47.2
Di ba kapalit yan, barel, di ba?
01:49.1
So, sino ho yung namigay ng pera?
01:51.7
Nag-abot ng pera, nag-process
01:53.4
ng mga surrendering?
01:57.5
Who processed? But the IDB...
01:59.7
No, it would not be the DSWD.
02:01.7
Dapat kayo po sa military
02:03.2
para kayo po nagbe-bet to make sure na ito
02:05.5
talagang surrendering. Di ba?
02:07.9
Bago nyo sana bigyan ng pera,
02:10.1
nasa inyong barel.
02:11.4
Pera kapalit ng barel. 100,000 po
02:13.5
itong pinag-usapan natin, hindi po ito
02:15.0
1,000. Based on the
02:17.2
agreement, Your Honors, we have
02:21.3
the international decommissioning body
02:25.2
armed forces of the Philippines.
02:26.6
Pero po, sino nga?
02:27.5
Ito po itong members, itong mga
02:31.2
Ulitin ko pong tanong ko, ha?
02:32.8
Huwag na po tayo magpaikot-ikot, sir.
02:35.7
Pag binigyan sila ng 100,000
02:40.7
dapat may kapalit
02:41.5
siya na barel. Tama?
02:45.1
This is not the...
02:46.9
Hindi, sir. Ganon dapat talaga, di ba?
02:49.0
Ba't ka magsusurrender kung wala ka naman
02:51.9
magawag walang istorya na ako ay
02:57.5
Your Honor, we are implementing the
02:59.9
peace agreement. The peace agreement
03:06.5
Sir, ba't kayo pumayag?
03:08.1
Then huwag niyo sana i-release yung 100,000.
03:12.1
Di ba, sir? Ganon lang kasimple.
03:14.5
Hindi niyo sana ni-release yung
03:15.6
100,000 doon sa nagsusurrender
03:17.6
na walang barel nakapalit. Ganon lang po yun eh.
03:19.8
Kasi kung hindi na ti-implement yung
03:21.6
ganong klaseng pulisiya, anybody
03:23.4
can come to you and say, ako po yung
03:25.4
magsusurrender, ako po yung MILF.
03:27.5
Ganon ba? Halika, ito yung 100,000.
03:29.3
Punta ka sa DSWD, ito yung papel
03:31.4
na pakita mo doon para bigyang 100,000.
03:34.3
So, naglulukuhan po tayo.
03:43.0
Saan po nang punta to?
03:44.2
Kasi kung ganito rin lang,
03:46.0
eh ako po, isa sa mga gagawang
03:47.4
hakbang, nang bawasan po yung budget ninyo
03:49.2
from 7 billion, tumaas pa nga kayo
03:51.2
1 point something billion?
03:53.5
You started with 1 point
03:57.5
and now 7 billion
03:59.3
sa kabila nitong kapalpakan
04:05.4
Nabigyan pa kayo ng increase, kumbaga
04:06.9
ang kakapal naman po ng mukha nyo dyan, sorry ha.
04:09.3
Ang kakapal na mukha nyo.
04:12.1
Meron na nangyaring
04:12.9
anomalya. Para sa akin, this is a big anomaly.
04:16.4
May nangyari ng anomalya,
04:18.5
may gana pa kayong humingi
04:19.5
ng increase. Baka next year
04:21.5
hingingin pa kayo, gawin nyo pa 12 billion.
04:23.4
Gawin na natin 50 billion. Gusto mo, 100 billion na lang.
04:26.2
Sir, the agreement was
04:27.4
made during the time of
04:28.7
President Aquino. And we are just
04:31.0
implementing the agreement.
04:32.8
O nga po, sir. Pero nandun pa sa agreement
04:35.4
na kahit na wala kang barel,
04:37.3
tumaas ka lang kamay, sabihin mo lang
04:38.9
MLF ka, bigyan ka ng 100,000.
04:42.3
Nakalagay pa sa agreement na yan,
04:43.4
show me. The agreement says that
04:45.2
the 40,000 will be
04:47.3
decommissioned. The number of 40,000
04:53.3
but you're not listening to me.
04:55.6
Tinutumbok ko po dito yung anomalya.
04:57.4
Kasi po, diba, pag
04:59.2
nag-surrender yung isang MLF,
05:02.2
madekommission na siya,
05:04.2
o anong patunay na siya
05:05.4
ay member ng MLF?
05:07.1
Ang isang patunay dyan yung barel, para magbigyan
05:09.2
siya ng cash assistance na 100,000
05:11.3
pesos. So therefore,
05:13.8
pag may pupunta sa inyo dyan, nagsabi
05:15.3
MLF, surrendery ako,
05:17.4
nasaan yung barel mo?
05:19.4
Alam naman ang pupunta sila, may daladalang
05:21.1
batuta lang, o may dalang
05:23.5
gulok. MLF ako, itong
05:25.4
armas ko, gulok. Itong 100,000, hindi man
05:27.4
siguro ganun po, diba?
05:29.1
Common sense lang po yun. So malaking
05:31.0
anomalya. Kaya nga po, kung ako
05:33.2
dapat, sa sitwasyon mo, may
05:35.2
nasibak na, may nakulong na.
05:39.9
Kasi malaki, anomalya eh.
05:45.1
versus 132 versus 4,000.
05:48.5
Follow-up question
05:49.3
in line with the question of
05:51.0
Sen. Tulfo. Kanino nyo ba binibigay
05:53.2
100,000? Sa surrendering po mismo
05:55.3
o sa organization?
05:60.0
fully identified and verified
06:02.4
the identity. In fact, they
06:04.3
can... Mismo sa surrendering?
06:06.5
Yes, sir. Kasi meron mga aligasyon
06:12.1
Hindi umabot na total
06:14.1
ng 100,000. May mga cut pa raw.
06:19.9
ang tinatanggap ng mga surrendering.
06:23.4
commissioning process,
06:25.6
most of them will have the biomechanics.
06:27.4
Biometrics, Your Honor.
06:29.0
Pinapipirman nyo ba na nakatagap ng 100,000?
06:32.1
They have the biometrics ID.
06:35.4
identified by the IDB
06:37.3
because the IDB is the one
06:39.0
commissioned by the both panels.
06:43.6
given to the individuals, Your Honor.
06:45.6
Kasi nakakatakot yan. Pagka sa organization
06:47.5
nyo binigay 100,000 kada
06:49.2
surrendering, eh baka naman lalo silang
06:51.6
pinupondohan pa ng
06:53.9
gobyerno yung kanilang recruitment.
06:57.4
Okay, pwede magsingit.
06:59.0
Ito lang po ang gusto kong mangyari.
07:03.1
kung meron susunod na hearing,
07:08.0
ng gagawin yung investigasyon ngayon,
07:10.3
sino-sino yung involved sa corruption.
07:12.1
May corruption dito. Whether you
07:13.9
like it or not. Meron po.
07:16.8
Ang laking discrepancy.
07:18.5
Mag-imbestiga po kayo,
07:20.3
dapat may managot. Ang laking
07:21.9
pera po dito, ang nawala
07:27.4
sa susunod na Senate hearing,
07:30.6
patatapyasan ko kayo ng budget.
07:33.2
Your Honor, I could say that
07:35.4
there is no corruption
07:37.5
in this decommissioning.
07:39.3
We are just following the agreement.
07:44.4
do not tell us that
07:46.7
I'm not saying you are corrupt. What I'm saying here is
07:49.2
meron pong mga tao
07:51.3
dyan sa loob ng inyong organization.
07:53.3
I'm not saying you are corrupt. I'm saying
07:55.0
there are people there that are not doing
07:57.2
their job or maybe they're involved in corruption
07:59.0
because if they're not involved...
08:00.4
Common sense lang po ito, Secretary Galvez.
08:03.6
Pag nag-solik, pag nagsabi ka
08:05.0
ikaw ay kombatan, di ba kombatan
08:07.2
meaning meron kang baril.
08:09.5
So kung meron kang baril, isusurrendin mo
08:11.1
yung kapalit ng 100,000.
08:13.0
Your Honor, the categories of the
08:15.1
firearms is not only
08:16.4
individual firearms. We have also
08:18.6
cruiser weapons. The cruiser weapons,
08:21.8
meron po yung ano,
08:23.0
mga lima o anim po yung tao na...
08:24.8
Then sana magmamatch pa rin.
08:26.8
Isama mo na yung machine gun, isama mo yung
08:28.6
cruiser weapon, kung ano pang mga weapon,
08:30.3
kasama na dapat din.
08:31.5
But I definitely take offense, Senator, that
08:34.6
you are already telling us
08:36.8
that there is a corruption.
08:38.5
I believe that is not a correct
08:40.6
accusation to us.
08:41.9
Well, Sir, I'm sorry. I'll stand by
08:44.6
what I said. Meron pong corruption dito.
08:47.3
Masaktan ka na, masaktan ka.
08:48.6
I don't care. I'm talking on behalf of the
08:50.6
taong bayan. Kasi nga, very clean
08:52.7
discrepancy dahil kung hindi
08:56.8
kung hindi po talaga,
08:59.1
kung wala po talagang korupsyon
09:00.5
dito, sana nagmamatch tong numbers.
09:03.1
Hindi po nagmamatch yet. Kaysa pa,
09:05.0
dapat nag-investigate na kayo dati pa,
09:07.6
pinaliwanag nyo sa amin
09:08.8
yung discrepancy. Ano nangyari?
09:11.4
Yun lang po yun eh.
09:12.8
Your Honors... Kasi we're talking
09:14.9
of hundreds of thousands. May mga allegation
09:16.8
pang hindi nga natanggap daw yung
09:18.1
pera. Your Honor, we are
09:20.9
there. We are validating
09:23.0
all... Then prove to us na walang
09:24.6
korupsyon. Then sabihin nyo sa amin,
09:26.8
bakit ganito kalaking discrepancy.
09:29.5
Pag napaliwanag mo ng maayos,
09:31.3
then babawiin kong sinabi ko rito.
09:33.3
Your Honor... Mag-apologize
09:34.8
pa ako sa iyo. Pero unless hindi mo
09:36.6
ipaliwanag, then I'll stand by what I said, may
09:38.8
korupsyon. Your Honor, the
09:40.6
decommissioning body is an international
09:44.2
facilitated the decommissioning.
09:47.0
International body is facilitating, pero siya
09:48.8
nag-release ng pera, tayo Pilipino,
09:50.8
DSW din nag-release ng pera. Yes, but...
09:52.4
So the recommendation of the body, kung ano
09:54.7
may body sa sabi nyo. Actually, the body,
10:00.2
individual is already validated.
10:03.2
Considering that international body is...
10:05.5
Those are experts
10:06.7
from... I know, sir, but the only...
10:09.1
You're in the military, right?
10:24.9
Holding the firearms.
10:26.3
Holding firearms.
10:26.8
So, ibig sabihin, mayroon siyang firearms.
10:28.3
So, your definition, galing sa'yo,
10:30.7
your definition of kombatan is
10:32.0
someone holding a firearm.
10:33.9
So, where is that firearm
10:35.8
ng kombatan na sumorender na binigyan
10:38.4
100,000? Dapat magmamatch yan.
10:40.3
Galing na mismo sa'yo, kombatan is the one holding the firearm.
10:43.3
Where are the firearms?
10:47.5
Sir, ang ito, ito
10:49.4
At sa kaisip pa, sir,
10:53.9
nabulabog dito? 26,000
10:56.3
surrenderies na bigyan ng 300,000
10:58.8
umabot ng 2.6 billion
10:60.0
and 4,000 lang firearms? Kasi kung ako, sir,
11:02.7
sorry, I'm not saying you're corrupt.
11:04.5
Sinabi ko sa loob ng organisasyon.
11:06.7
Kung ako, sir, mababahala na ako.
11:11.1
hell break loose.
11:14.1
Sir, I have said earlier
11:15.7
that the commissioning of kombatants
11:17.8
have many process, including
11:19.7
the commissioning, plus
11:21.7
the SLW and also the
11:46.0
Ah, so ang sinasabi nyo, sir, okay,
11:47.9
nabanggit ang kanina personal.
11:49.3
So, may pupuntang
11:53.3
Ah, hindi ko surrender to kasi personal ko to.
11:55.5
Ganun ba yung nangyari?
11:56.9
iyon yung difference
11:58.0
ng 26,000 to 4,000 lang na
12:00.7
Kasi, karamihan sa kanila personal
12:02.5
declared as personal firearms.
12:04.0
Tulad nang sinabi kanina ni
12:09.3
Umayag kayo ng ganun?
12:12.2
huwag nyo, huwag nyo bigyan ng 100,000.
12:14.2
Dapat pera kapalit ng baril.
12:17.9
So, sorry, ah, sir, ah,
12:20.3
then, sabihin natin walang korupsyon, okay.
12:22.9
Then, katangahan.
12:24.9
Again, I'm sorry for the word.
12:26.9
Sorry for the word. Kasi,
12:28.9
sige, tanggapin ko,
12:30.9
yung difference is
12:32.9
sa 26,000 to 4,000 lang ay sapagkat
12:36.9
ay mga, may mga baril pero
12:38.9
hindi sila surrender sapagkat personal
12:42.9
O ba tayo pumayag, sir?
12:47.7
hindi ko ako, sir, hindi ako papayag.
12:50.7
Sir, mag-imbestiga po kayo, sir.
12:52.7
I'm not saying, again, you're corrupt.
12:54.7
There is corruption here.
12:55.7
Mag-imbestiga po kayo, sir.
12:59.7
head should roll dito.
13:01.7
Meron talagang kalukuan dito.
13:03.7
Hindi mo i-admit yun, sir, pero
13:05.7
I'll stand by what I said.
13:07.7
Maliba na lang, sir, kung ikaw nag-imbestiga
13:09.7
at napakita mo sa amin,
13:15.7
ganito ang discrepancy.
13:16.7
Then babawiin kung sinabi ko.
13:18.7
Pero kapag hindi niyo po napakita
13:20.7
na ipaliwanag na maayos,
13:21.7
I'll stand by what I'm saying here
13:23.7
na there is corruption.
13:25.7
And sa susunod po na hearing,
13:27.7
pababawasan ko po yung budget ninyo.
13:29.7
Pataas ng pataas eh.
13:31.7
1.9 billion naging 7 billion?
13:35.7
Tapos baka next year
13:37.7
magiging 10 billion na?
13:41.7
I don't have anything against you,
13:43.7
Secretary Galvez. I don't even know you.
13:44.7
Yung sa akin, trabaho lang.
13:46.7
May nakita akong kalokohan dito,
13:50.7
Huwag ho kayo magalit.
13:52.7
But magalit na kayo na magalit,
13:58.7
What I'm doing is investigating
14:00.7
native legislation. Kasi po talaga it doesn't match eh.
14:02.7
Tatanggapin ko na lang
14:04.7
kasi sabi mo, sabi ni Secretary Galvez,
14:06.7
then I'll accept it
14:14.7
Anyway, sir, mawko umalik.
14:16.7
Ito lang habiling ko.
14:18.7
Please investigate
14:20.7
anong nangyari dito sa
14:22.7
napakalaking discrepancy.
14:24.7
And then sino po yung mga taong
14:28.7
Yung mga taong nagbigay ng pera
14:34.7
appell sa DSWD para mabigyan siya ng
14:38.7
And then, i-stop na po natin
14:42.7
siguro if we need to change the law
14:44.7
na kapag ikaw ay surrender eh,
14:46.7
pwede mo hindi surrender yung
14:48.7
firearm mo kasi personal use mo yun.
14:50.7
Kalokohan yun. Eh ba't ka nagsurrender
14:52.7
kung hindi mo isusurrender yung personal firearm mo?
14:54.7
So meron ka pa rin palang firearm.
14:56.7
Pwede kang bumalik din.
14:58.7
Kung pumunta sa maging member ng private army.
15:00.7
That was what I was saying
15:02.7
a while ago, Senator Tulfo.
15:04.7
Kung talagang gusto magbalik loob itong
15:06.7
mga rebelde, hindi sana pati yung mga
15:08.7
personal na gamit nila
15:10.7
kung yung mga binigay na
15:12.7
sa kanilang mga sympathizers,
15:14.7
sa organization eh dapat
15:16.7
isurrender na nila sa gobyerno
15:24.7
magbalik loob to return to the
15:26.7
fold of the government.
15:30.7
conduct another hearing. Before that
15:34.7
Secretary Galvez, sir.
15:36.7
Sana sa susunod na hearing, mag-aatin ako.
15:38.7
Gusto ko po magbigay ka ng report sa committee
15:42.7
Yung inyong findings. Bakit po
15:44.7
napakalak yung discrepancy nito? Ano nangyari?
15:48.7
Yun lang po talaga. Kasi sa ngayon,
15:50.7
kaya naiinit ulo ko, dahil hindi po naging
15:52.7
klaro sa akin. Maraming kayong binanggit ng mga body,
15:54.7
foreign body, whatever.
15:58.7
it doesn't connect.
16:00.7
Para mag-connect para sa akin, kailangan
16:02.7
masabi mo lang kung bakit
16:04.7
nagkaroon ng ganito klaseng discrepancy.
16:08.7
gamitin yung dahilan na lahat po yan
16:10.7
dahil pinayagan namin
16:14.7
pero yung kanilang baril,
16:16.7
huwag i-surrender.
16:18.7
Kaya nga sabi ni Sen. Ginkoy.
16:20.7
Ba't mo pa i-declare ng surrender
16:22.7
kung hindi mo pala i-surrender yung baril mo dahil
16:24.7
i-declare mo na personal use?
16:26.7
Do you agree, Secretary? Sir?
16:28.7
Do you agree with me?
16:32.7
I agree with you, sir.
16:38.7
your honors, is really the mindset of the
16:42.7
There is some sort
16:48.7
nakita natin every election,
16:50.7
nakita naman natin na meron ding mga
16:52.7
private armed groups ang mga
16:54.7
local officials. Kaya nga anong po namin,
16:56.7
kaya nga po ang programa namin
16:58.7
ginagawa ngayon in order to
17:00.7
resolve this discrepancy
17:02.7
is to involve the local
17:04.7
government units, basically the
17:06.7
governors, which we have seen
17:10.7
in Basilan, your honor.
17:12.7
Sir, walang kinalaman dito
17:14.7
mga governors. Ang may problema
17:16.7
dito, yung mga nag-process ng
17:18.7
mga surrendries, ng mga combatants
17:20.7
kung tawag niyo kanina. Combatants,
17:22.7
in your definition, is the one holding
17:26.7
Sir, anong kinalaman po
17:28.7
ni governor, ni mayor?
17:30.7
Sir, ito po nga natin sa combatants
17:32.7
sa MILF as an organization.
17:34.7
Normally, kaming mga military,
17:36.7
pagka nagkakaroon po ng enkwentro,
17:38.7
matagal po ang enkwentro,
17:40.7
pero yung isang barel, kunyari,
17:42.7
mayroong tumumba, mayroong pumupulot na
17:44.7
unarmed. So, yung combatant
17:46.7
doesn't mean na mayroon siyang barel.
17:48.7
Kasi ang ano po natin, ang configuration,
17:50.7
kaya, kaya... Sir, ito. Sir, ito yun.
17:52.7
Teka muna, teka muna. So, pupunta
17:54.7
sa gera yung combatant na walang barel.
17:56.7
Pag mayroong tinamaan dyan na sundalo
17:58.7
o kasama niya, akin na ako naman.
18:00.7
Ganon? Yes, sir. Actually, sir.
18:02.7
Actually, sir, yan ang tinatawag
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naming pintakasi.
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I've been in Mindanao
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Ang ginagawa, nangyayari po, sir...
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22,000 of these combatants
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ay mga pintakasi.
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Actually, sir, ganon sila nangyayari, sir.
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Na nagaantay lang na mayroong matumba,
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may mamatay, nakasama nila
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para iti-take over yung barel? Yes, sir.
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I'm sorry, sir, I'm not in the military, pero
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I don't buy that. Sorry, I'm
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doing this in defense of the military as well.
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Kasi po, in fact,
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marami pang tatanungin later,
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pero later na lang,
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talagang medyo hesitant ako
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dito sa amnesty program.
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Ang dami na nilang pinatay ng mga sundalo,
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marami na mga nabiuda
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Dapat meron tayong
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matinding programa na to make sure
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na itong peace process na ito, amnesty program
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na ito, hindi mapagsamantalahan,
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not only from the other side, but also from within,
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na hindi magagamit ito sa korupsyon.
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Kawawa naman yung mga sundalo natin.
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Tapos, sasabihin natin,
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peace, peace tayo ng peace.
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Pagkatapos, mag-a-ambush itong mga
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Tapos, ang palagi natin
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pinakikinggan, yung nasa Norway,
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yung patay na, sino yan?
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O, dapat ang mga kinakausap
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ninyo, yung ano, si
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Joma Sison, ang Netherlands.
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O, dapat ang kinakausap ninyo, yung mga
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kadremismo sa mga
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ibang-ibang probinsya. Hindi tayo nagpag-usap
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sa mga tao na nasa abroad.
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Ilan na ang mga naging orpan?
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Dapat, bigyan natin halaga
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yung buhay ng mga sundalo
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at mga polis natin.
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Huwag natin basta-basta na lang,
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sige, peace tayo, peace amnesty para
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para pagkakitaan.
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And again, I'm not saying it's you.
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Huwag ho kayo maging
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masyadong defensive.
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Because I'm not referring to you.
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I'm referring to the body, to the organization
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na nagpo-process nitong
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para sa akin, paninindigan ko
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pinagkakitaan. Hindi ho kayo
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naawa sa mga sundalo?
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Hindi kayo naawa sa mga polis?
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Sir, I beg to disagree na
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pinagkakitaan po, sir, in the commissioning because
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I myself am really implementing
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this. I would like to, not to, really
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to... Then show me proof. Kasi pag
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kita ka sa akin ng proof, then babawiin ko.
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I will show proof, sir.
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Kasusunod na hearing. Yes, I will show proof
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that we are not corrupt. Okay.
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Then show me proof that you are not corrupt.
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Again, I'm not saying you are corrupt.
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I'm saying merong korupsyon. Kung sino yan,
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that's your job to find out.
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Ba't ka nagagalit, Secretary?
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Because you are accusing us that our organization
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is corrupt. Yes, because
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napakalaking discrepancy. Kahit na siguro
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itong si Juan de la Cruz niya sa sakalye
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makita itong sobrang laking discrepancy.
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There is a problem here.
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And we're talking about billions
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of pesos here. Kung pinag-usapan
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na po rito ay 200,000,
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2 million, pwede, I'll let
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it go. Pero if we're talking about by the billions,
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come on, sir. There's something
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wrong. I'm not saying that you're
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corrupt. I don't know. Ba't ka nagagalit?
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Talagang merong korupsyon dito.
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I'll stand by what I said.
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There is corruption. Unless
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may-prove niyo sa akin, then come back
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sa next hearing, prove to me
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na walang korupsyon, then ako mismo magsasabi
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wala palang korupsyon.
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Okay, we will just... And I will even apologize.
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Pero kapag hindi niyo po napatunayan sa amin,
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naging klaro sa amin,
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may account itong 2.6 billion,
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korupsyon is korupsyon. Period.
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Thank you, Sen. Tulfo.
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Mr. Chair, may huling
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hirit lang ako. Naalala ko bigla
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dahil nabanggit nga ni Sen. Tulfo
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yung 7 billion budget ng OPAP.
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May additional 2.6 billion
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para sa decommissioning.
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Additional po ba yun o kalakit
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Mama, yung increase po is
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fully for PAMANA. This is a socio-economic
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project. Ayun na nga. Pero yung 2.6
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may PAMANA rin nakapaloob doon.
