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and position. Yes.

No fast break po yung binibigay, sinasabi ni Senator Bato.

Mr. President, next to co-sponsor the measure is the distinguished lady

from Akbayan, our Deputy Minority Leader, Senator Riza Ontiveros.

I move that she be recognized, Mr. President.

Another one of our fighters and advocates of wage increase in the Senate,

no other than our distinguished Deputy Minority Floor Leader,

Senator Riza Ontiveros is recognized.

Salamat ka ayaw, Mr. President.

Mr. President, I wish to co-sponsor this bill as a support to increase

the minimum wage as a starting point leading to a living wage.

Naniniwala po ako na mismong ganitong uri na mga panukalang batas

ang dapat tutukan ng lehislatura, parehong Senado at House of Representatives.

After all, this is precisely the mandate of our 1987 Constitution,

Article 13, Section 1, declares that

the Congress shall give a highest priority to the enactment of measures

that protect and enhance the right of all the people to human dignity,

reduce social, economic, and political inequalities,

and remove cultural inequities by equitably diffusing wealth

and political power for the common good.

Pagpapabuti sa kapakanan ng karaniwang Pilipino ang tanging rason kung bakit tayo narito.

Kasabay po nito, dapat rin nating i-considera ang mas malawak pang suporta ng gobyerno sa MSMEs.

Ito ang mga dapat nating inaaral at tinatrabaho, hindi ang pekeng PI at kwestyonabling chacha.

Salamat ka ayaw, Mr. President.

Maraming salamat, Senator.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Last but not the least to co-sponsor the measure is the distinguished lady from Taguig and Pateros,

no other than our resident athlete, Mr. President, Senator Pia Cayetano.

May she be recognized, Mr. President.

Our distinguished colleague, Senator Pia Cayetano, the representative of Taguig-Pateros,

and the Republic of the Philippines is recognized.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Mr. President, just a very short co-sponsorship speech.

Mr. President, as the Senate Committee Chair of the Committee on Sustainable Development,

Goals, Innovation, and Futures Thinking, we talk about sustainable development.

We broadcast to the world, we show pictures of our beautiful landscape, seascape,

and, of course, the picture of modernization.

But as they say, Mr. President, you can only determine truly how advanced or how developed a country is

when you look at how they treat the most vulnerable in their society.

So when we look at families who cannot even feed their children three meals a day,

who struggle to put literally a roof over their head where they live in shanties,

they have to, they live, Mr. President, in these worn tarps that are used during political campaigns.

Diba?

After the campaign, you'll see na bubong na yan ng mga bahay,

pader na yan ng kanilang barong-barong.

This is how millions of people live in the Philippines, Mr. President.

So when we take time dealing with political issues,

it takes time away from dealing with the poorest of the poor who need our support to live a decent life.

Mr. President, in our show, Kayatano in Action with Boya,

we often tackle problems that include marital problems,

nagbubugbogan na asawa, utang, minsan utang ng nanay sa anak,

na hindi na nag-usap ang nanay at anak for three years dahil sa utang,

couples who separate dahil sa whatever conflict they have.

Ninety-nine percent, Mr. President, the root of their problem is poverty.

Sheer poverty.

May daycare teacher na sinumbong ang isang nanay dahil hindi na pinapapasok,

pinapasok sa daycare ang kanyang anak.

And the reason is, sobra siyang nahihiya dahil wala siyang pagkain na mabigay sa anak niya.

Papasok daw yung anak niya ng gutom.

So sa kahihiyan, hindi niya lang niya pinapapasok yung anak niya, Mr. President.

So all of these legal issues can be attributed to people having decent jobs and decent wages.

And so I joined the Senate President and our colleagues

in co-sponsoring this very important measure.

It may not seem like a lot because it is really not that much,

but I believe it paves the way in us recognizing that this cannot continue as it is.

When His Honor, the Senate President, mentioned BARM,

we do need to look into this and see how we can single out those areas that need more support

because it is just really how it is.

I mean, when I traveled, and His Honor, the Senate President, and I are walking mates during our official trips,

I've talked to our embassies and our host countries about their poverties in their countries.

Their poverties, at least the countries I've visited, are different from our poverties.

May bahay pa rin silang nauuwian.

Pag malamig, bakang pinag-aawayan nila ng konti, yung heater hindi ganun kainit.

Pero may trabaho naman.

Yung trabaho siguro nila, kung 600 euro a month na maliit sa Europe,

pero 600 times 60, that's 36,000 pesos.

And here, we're talking about, hindi pa umaabot sa 15,000 pesos, Mr. President.

So, it's incomparable, but it is not acceptable that we continue this way.

So, I thank His Honor for prioritizing this measure.

And as I said, I join our colleagues in supporting this measure.

I want to make this a more comprehensive sponsorship speech for the record

because I just really like to tie it into all the SDGs that are affected by this.

Health, education.

Hindi mo nga mapaaral yung anak mo, dahil wala kang pambaon man lang para may makain siya.

And you can't even begin to go to get health care dahil karamihan sa kanila,

alam nila na kahit pa paano may aambag.

Dahil yung sinasabing no balance billing, hindi naman actually 100% accurate.

Meron din naman i-aabono, depende rin sa sakit.

So, tama sila na dibali na lang, wala na lang silang aasahan.

And that is not how we want our Filipino people to feel.

So, again, my full support for this measure, Mr. President. Thank you.

Thank you very much, my dear colleague, my constant walking companion.

Thank you, Mr. President.

And it's true, Mr. President, that it's about time that we need to act on this very important piece of legislation.

So, again, we thank you, Mr. President.

Our leader, Senator Zubiri, and our chairperson, Senator Jingoy Estrada of the Senate Committee on Labor.

Mr. President, to allow our colleagues to further study the measure,

I move that we suspend consideration of Senate Bill No. 2534 under Committee Report No. 190.

So moved, Mr. President.

There have been no objection. Motion is approved.

Mr. President, this juncture, I move that we resume consideration of Senate Bill No. 2386

under Committee Report No. 99.

It still pertains to the Real Property Valuation and Assessment Act.

So moved, Mr. President.

Yes, there have been no objection. Motion is approved.

Mr. President, the parliamentary status of the measure is that we are now in the period of interpolations and debate.

And so with that, I move that we resume the period of interpolations

and recognize the sponsor of the measure, Senator Sherwin Gatchelian,

and to interpolate, our Deputy Majority Leader, Senator Mark Villar.

So moved, Mr. President.

Distinguished colleague, the Chairperson of the Committee on Ways and Means,

Senator, the very hardworking Senator, Sherwin Gatchelian,

and to interpolate, the equally hardworking Deputy Majority Leader, Senator Mark Villar.

Thank you, Mr. President.

With the consent of the good sponsor, may I be allowed to proceed with my interpolation?

Yes, more than willingly, Mr. President.

Yes, I just have a few questions relating to my work as a former DPWH Secretary

under the Bill Billionaire Act.

The bill then, which is now continuing under the Build Better, More program of this administration.

My question is, in Section 2 of the Committee Report, in Item B,

provides in the Declaration Policy that the bill is for the adoption of market value

as the single real property valuation base for the assessment of real property-related taxes in the country

and for the valuation of real property for various transactions by all government agencies.

Is this correct, Mr. President?

Yes, Mr. President. It's correct, Mr. President.

And in proposing as part of the policy direction of the bill,

it's provided in Section 36, Letter C, Sub-Item 3,

that the provisions of Section 567 of the Republic Act No. 10752

are amended insofar as they are consistent with the provisions of this bill.

Is this correct, Mr. President?

Yes, Mr. President. It's correct.

Thank you.

As former Secretary of the DPWH, of course, I was tasked with the heavy responsibility

of settling various right-of-way issues,

acquisition problems,

that are governed by the Republic Act 10752,

which, while instrumental in facilitating the completion of several big-ticket projects,

there are still numerous concerns that remain to be resolved in right-of-way issues,

such as funding requirements and the reasonableness of the just compensation

to be paid to the owners whose real properties are affected by the government project.

In fact, the amendment of RA 10752 was actually proposed as a priority legislation

for this Congress in the previous legislation,

in the DEDAC meeting.

So may I ask the good sponsor what will now be the valuation

that the national government will offer to negotiate

for the right-of-way acquisition of the lands after the repeal of Section 5 of RA 10752?

Thank you, Mr. President.

Well, Mr. President, what the bill envisions is to have a uniform valuation for all the different agencies.

And based on our research,

there are about 23 different agencies,

agencies that

conducts valuations

using different methods.

But

for right-of-way

acquisition, generally, Mr. President,

they use

the zonal valuation as well as

the fair market

value of that locality.

So, in this particular case,

Mr. President, since we're harmonizing

and uniforming the valuation,

the bill

will now have a single valuation

for all the different agencies.

So, in short, the

expropriation will use this valuation, Mr. President.

Yes. So, thank you, Mr. President. So, the valuation

for the negotiated sale

will now be based on the fair market value

as stated in the subject bill

as approved by the... Yes, Mr. President. Correct.

Secretary of Finance, yes. Thank you,

Mr. President. And we see that since

the valuation is expected to increase,

the government may be able to avoid

the lengthy litigation to secure

the possession before the Court of Law.

My next question... Correct, Mr. President. Yes. My next question

is, Mr. President and good sponsor,

in the case that the landowner refuses

to negotiate, what will be the valuation

that the government needs to deposit

during the expropriation case to secure

a writ of possession since the bill

will partially amend Section 6 of RA

10752? Correct. But, Mr. President,

the

government typically uses...

for national government,

the expropriation proceedings vary

from local governments and national

government. In the national government,

they usually use the zonal valuation.

But the zonal valuation now will be

based on this fair market value

that will be formulated

by the local

government unit. So, in this

particular case, the

deposit will be based

on the valuation

generated by

the SMBs, Mr. President,

the Schedule of Market Values.

Thank you, Mr. President.

There may be a need to further

study the budgetary impact of the

partial repeal of Section 6 of RA

10752, considering

that the depositary requirements

for expropriation

in acquiring lands affected

by government projects may result

to an increase

in the budgetary

requirements of various national government

agencies. This will change the deposit

requirement for expropriation

cases from 100% of

BI or zonal value

to 100% of fair

market value.

The valuation will increase, then Congress must

be reminded that during the committee

deliberation of the budget of the DPWH,

we were informed regarding the

inadequacy of funds being given to facilitate

the right-of-way requirements of government.

The Congress must be ready

to provide additional appropriation

should the enactment

of the RPVADA result in the

increase of the just

compensation that the government needs to settle.

For the body's

information, the

proposed budget of the DPWH for the

right-of-way payment was

1.71 billion.

If the RPVADA will result to the increase

in the compensation of the

project affected persons, the government

must again review the timeline for the

completion of the much needed

infrastructure as approved by the administration

as it may result in

difficulty in acquiring the right-of-way

for the project.

May I ask the good sponsor, Mr. President,

if the DPWH

and the DOTR were able to

comment on this concern?

Yes, Mr. President, the DPWH

were present,

or was present during the hearing, Mr. President.

But just to comment on the first

on the statement

of the good

gentleman from Las Piñas,

typically in the

expropriation proceedings,

the deposit is based on the

zonal valuation, I'm sure

the gentleman will know being

the former secretary of DPWH,

or the zonal valuation

or the fair market value.

And typically,

if the landowner will not

agree yet on any

whether zonal or fair market value

litigation will ensue.

And that process of litigation

can take many many

years to

to

solve. And

that litigation will also create

delays in the project, Mr. President.

And if you unpack

the reasoning,

it's really

because of the

price that the landowner

is demanding.

And typically the price

is what he thinks

is fair to him.

So this addresses

that potential delay

by coming up with a fair market

value that is based on

the actual

economic situation of that area.

So in other words,

it will not be arbitrary.

It will be based on

the latest transaction

in that area.

And that transaction will be based

on, will be used to

determine the schedule of market value.

And when the schedule of market value

is determined, then

that is now what government

will be using

to purchase your land or

to make a deposit. So this bill

aims to eliminate the delays.

Because the delays is also very costly

for government, especially in big

ticket projects. Yes.

So I just hope that this addresses

this concern is addressed

because it does have an impact.

For instance,

if in general the appraised

value is higher than the

zonal value. So if this is higher

and the budget is insufficient

to

make a payment so that we can

get rid of possession,

it might have an effect on the

implementation

of our government projects.

So I think that's just something that

concerns me.

Coming from the

sector of infrastructure

implementation. At the same time also,

if we were to get a

appraisal,

we would have to get it from a GFI.

And from my experience, the GFIs are already

very busy

with other, it takes time

to get that appraisal from the GFI.

Usually depending on the needs.

And usually there's a lot of cases

in any single project.

So based on that,

I hope we can come up with,

I will recommend some amendments

that might rectify

or maybe resolve

the situation so that

the effect on our infrastructure

projects

if any, will be minimal.

And definitely

we would welcome amendments

from the good gentleman

from Las Piñas being

an expert in infrastructure

as well as expropriation proceedings.

But just to go back on the difference

between the zonal

and the appraised value.

Since the SMVs

or the schedule of market values

will be based on what we call

the Philippine Valuation Standards

which is being used by appraisers.

The zonal valuation,

the schedule of market value

and the appraised value will be the same.

Because all of them are using

the same standards

as promulgated in the Philippine

Valuation Standards. So

in theory there should be no difference

between the schedule

of market value, the zonal valuation

and the appraised value.

So everything will be

the same in terms of valuing

the property.

Okay, thank you Mr. President.

And may we also request for

copies of the position papers

of the various agencies

so that we can also

study their comments regarding this

legislation.

We'll furnish the

good gentleman the position papers.

That would be all Mr. President.

I end my

interpolation. I would like to thank

the good sponsor for his time

and patience.

To reiterate, I would like to discuss some proposed

amendments to further improve the bill and

fine tune the bill at the appropriate time.

Thank you very much Mr. President.

We welcome any refinements and improvements

to the bill, especially coming from

a former DPWR

secretary who's very experienced

in launching high

big ticket and very important

national infrastructure projects.

Thank you very much.

I thank the two gentlemen. It was a joy to listen to you both.

I learned a lot on your

deliberations.

Thank you to former

Secretary and now Senator Mark Villar

and of course our dear sponsor

for the prompt

answers to his questions.

Session suspended for now.

Thank you.

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