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Alright, this is it.
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Welcome to Double R.
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Nag-double ka na yung isa.
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Kaya, double-double kayo na.
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Double-double ka na kayo na.
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Pwede ka na magkapuso ah.
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Mahal ko naman kayong pareho ni Christian.
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Kaya sabi ko, okay lang, okay lang.
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Hindi natin kailangang pag-usapan yung logistics behind it.
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So, kasi the moment nakita ko, sabi ko, siguro kayo ano siya.
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Ayan, tuloy yung algorithm natin.
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Pinakita ka agad.
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So, we wanna make sure na wala tayong direct overlap.
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Pag-usapan natin si Hara Kiri.
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Ay, sorry, si Harry Roque mamaya.
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But I think before going there,
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because you wanna also talk about Tulfo.
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I think Tulfo is a big, big factor.
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We wanna talk about.
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And, shout-out dyan kay Atty. Libayan, my good friend.
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Pag-usapan natin si Tulfo in a not-referential way.
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We'll discuss some of the things.
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Kasi nakita ko yung back and forth niya with Sec. Galvez.
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Medyo, I'll be honest, you know.
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Alam naman natin, you know,
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Rafi Tulfo is an interesting guy.
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There are things I like about him.
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But at the same time,
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minsan feeling ko medyo kailangan niya mag-buelo ng konti, di ba?
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To put it nicely.
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So, and then we'll talk about the role of the Catholic Church.
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Because you have this very interesting situation kung saan.
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And for the, I think, first time, no?
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Anywhere, you have the religious hierarchy, Catholic hierarchy,
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directly making a statement on a geopolitical important issue.
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In this case, West Philippine Sea.
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Pero bago sa lahat,
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especially bago sa Harakiri,
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pag-usapan natin ito.
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Itong Baste Aimee Marcos episode,
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for me, it's a very important one, Ronald.
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Because as far as that one is concerned,
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you would have thought that Aimee Marcos is kind of like the last semi-bridge.
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Or at least, she thinks she's the bridge.
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Kasi malapit siya kay Digong.
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Well, kapatid niya yung presidente ngayon.
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So, in theory, she would be the best person to be able to be a middlewoman.
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Because last time I checked, si Tita Arroyo,
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nandun na sa bagong Pilipinas rally.
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So, mukhang alam niya na saan ang inip ng hangin.
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At si Romualdez naman, obviously, andun na siya sa kabila.
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So, that really leaves very few people to do this kind of an intermediary role.
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So, sabi ni Aimee na,
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nag-apologize daw si Baste.
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So, she tried to actually parang play down itong bardagulan na nangyari
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the other week na pinag-usapan natin.
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But Baste, out of nowhere, comes out very Digong style and says,
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parang, anong hanash mo dyan?
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Parang pinagbigyan tina ka kita.
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Never kami nag-apologize.
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Were you surprised by Baste coming out of nowhere?
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Parang five days pa yun.
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Parang may delayed reaction.
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And for him to come out strong,
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what do you think is behind that?
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And didn't he sound so Digong?
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Like, very Digong yung style na ginawa niya, diba?
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Well, Duterte naman siya.
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Kaya hindi ako nagugulat sa mga Duterte sa barubalan.
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Dahil, imagine mo,
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sa mga kaya, hindi naman sila lumaki kasama yung kanilang tatay.
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Lumaki naman sila kasama yung nanay.
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Pero kahit pa paano, Duterte pa rin sila.
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Kaya nasa, mukhang hindi naman out of character na sila ay ganyang ka-barubal.
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Kaya ganyan sila sumagot.
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Lalo na kay Aimee na,
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mukhang nagpakita naman ng loyalty sa kanila
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dito ng nakaraang one and a half years, diba?
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Dinadepensahan si Sana.
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Sabi niya, huling, kahit siya na yung nag-iisa,
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nakasama ng Digong,
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ay hindi niya iiwan si ex-president Duterte, diba?
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So, tapos, eto, medyo nagkaroon lang ng kaunting misunderstanding.
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Very public agad yung banat.
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Hindi lang very public.
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Talagang medyo barumbado yung banat.
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Very sharp kagad.
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At ikatlo, yun yung minsan, hindi napapansin yung mga tao.
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Meron siyang pinanggit doon na,
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meron na nga siyang mga pinalampas.
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Pinagbigyan pa kita.
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Sinabi niya, pinagbigyan nga kita.
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Huwag kang magulo, diba?
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May previous incident na pala nangyari,
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na hindi natin alam, no?
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So, the plot, tickets, no?
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Pero pinanood ko yung interview kasi ni Aimee
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kay Karen Dabile, no?
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Pinanood ko at marami siyang sinabi roon, eh.
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Marami siyang sinabi roon.
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Hindi lang yung nakaprovoke, eh, baste.
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Kung hindi marami siyang mga sinabi roon
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na pwedeng pag-usapan in several episodes ng R&R.
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Sabi kasi niya, pumunta siya sa Dabao.
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Para, kuwan, as an emissary para sa Gipin,
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Kahit isang shred na lang na natitira sa UNI,
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sa UNI team, ay sasagipin pa rin niya, no?
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Sasagipin pa rin niya, no?
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Nag-dar na mode si madam.
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Pero yung gumusapan natin ngayon,
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yung naprovoke talaga, ay yung sabi niya,
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na nagsalita si baste, wala siya roon, eh.
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Kumakain daw siya sa isang restaurant.
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Pero yung nagkita sa kanila,
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ay puro todo yung apology.
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Inemphasize niya na todong todo yung sorry.
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Hindi lang yung nag-apologize.
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Yung parang sobrang mam-mam, ganun ang dating, di ba?
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Yung pala, sabi naman ni baste,
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nagsosorry siya, nag-apologize siya,
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dahil kawawa naman si Aimee.
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Naawa siya sa sitwasyon ni Aimee,
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na yung kapatid niya, ganun.
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Hindi dahil doon sa kanyang nagsosorry siya,
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na pinag-geresay niya.
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Pero ang revealing dito,
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pwede namang pag-usapan nila yun, eh.
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Nag-public ka agad yung sagot, di ba?
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At very sharp, no?
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dinasama ko pa ako sa drama mo.
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Di ba? Ganun, eh.
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Nag-sinasama ko pa ako sa drama mo.
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Or worse, na parang jamming.
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Bisaya kasing iba,
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so tinignan ko yung translation sa Sunstar Davao.
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Parang dating sa akin is,
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ang in-imply dyan is,
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self-aggrandizing interference parang ginagawa mo, eh.
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Nakiki-hanash ka.
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Nagmamaganda ka lang dito.
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Hindi naman, ano yung...
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You know what I'm saying?
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Parang ganun ang dating sa akin, eh.
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When I saw the translation,
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kasi it's Bisaya, eh.
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A lot of that was in Bisaya,
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so I couldn't understand.
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I look at the translation,
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ang dating sa akin is,
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oh, wag kang magmaganda, eh.
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Wag kang maghanash masyado.
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Ano to? Usapan na mga ano to.
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So, parang for me,
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medyo next level yan, eh.
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You're burning bridges also
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with the only Marcos that actually
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may have still a degree of good faith
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toward you guys, right?
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At least some sort of trust, yeah.
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One of their best,
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if not their best,
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their best attack dog.
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halos lahat ng policies ng kapatid,
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binabak nata niya, eh.
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Dilipensahan niya si Sara,
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nung tinanggalan ng
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dahan-dahan million intelligence fund.
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Dilipensahan niya si Digo.
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Bigyan nata niya yung ICTC.
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Dapat lahat ng butos
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tututul dyan sa ICTC na yan.
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Etcetera, etcetera.
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Bigla pang sinupalpal.
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ay parang masama pa rin
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ang loob ni Baste.
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Wala naman siyang overtures.
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Ang narinig lang natin
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ay after nung banat ni Baste,
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nag-usap na siya uli
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That's her version of things.
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Hindi naman niya pinaliwanag, eh.
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Ano yung pinag-usapan, no?
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Ayaw na daw niya magsalita
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Maka pa na naman.
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Ma-intriga na naman.
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Baka ma-misquote na naman.
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Pero wala namang misquote
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dun sa sinabi niya.
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Wala nang misquote
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dun sa sinabi ni Baste.
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Very clear naman yung kanilang exchange, no?
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Duda ako kung nag-uusap sila.
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Like, you're wondering
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what is Aimee trying to do here?
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Like, is she trying to
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show that she's more
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than what she is?
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Is she trying to be the
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woman of the moment?
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I mean, I won't be surprised.
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Ayan ako, napanood mo.
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Ako, napanood ko kasi yung
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Yung Made in Malacanang 1.
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Yung 2, hindi ko naman sigmura eh.
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Parang, pag ilabas mo yung
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300 pesos for a...
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Yung pagka-Ilocano ko,
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At least nung first,
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yung Made in Marites,
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sa dami mga social media engagement,
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medyo nabawi ko siya.
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Mga million niya at ang engagement natin
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Pero yung 2, wala na.
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Pinagtatuanan na lang ng tao eh.
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it told me something.
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Something about the algorithm.
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About the algorithm.
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hindi ko alam kung nagkaroon kayo
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ng mga back and forth
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with Darrell Yap,
09:00.0
Director Darrell Yap.
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Minsan, binabash-bash din ako online yan.
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labanan ito ng mga big time.
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Huwag daw makisawsaw
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yung mga katulad natin
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ng mga small time vloggers.
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dapat ito yung gawa niya ng pelipula.
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Itong dynamic na ito.
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ng Pilipin telenovela ito,
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Maiden Maritess 3 ito.
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Tapos, bida na naman si Aimee.
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Baka siya na naman ang bida.
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baka nga nakikita
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sa end ng telenovela,
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baka si Aimee nag-iisa.
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Parang Godfather 3 yan ah.
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Kasobrahan yung kanyang kakakalaro,
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wala na siyang kalaro.
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Ayan ang kanyang pan.
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sa kanyang pinan?
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Saan nangunisik tayo
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Hindi nang kakakalaro.
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I can't really see
10:10.9
what's happening here.
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Kaya nga inisip ko ah.
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Ako siya may interview niya
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Medyo naglabas na siya.
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Hindi siya sangayon
10:17.7
Hindi siya sangayon
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Hindi siya sangayon
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doon sa mga binaton
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sa mga karaming atake
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ni Degong sa kanyang kapatid.
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So, saan siya pupulutin?
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Mas magulo pa siya
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So, saan siya pupunta?
10:32.6
Lalo na re-election
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Baka pareha siyang
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ilaglag nung dalawang kampo.
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Tricky yung situation.
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Seriously speaking ah.
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When you stand in the middle,
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Yun yung sinabi niya
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yung argument niya
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against centrism and all.
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Yun nga, I don't know.
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I mean, obviously,
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everyone knows that
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the relationship is not
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100% with the first family.
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you would think na
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even if Marcos ang pangalan niya,
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mas malapit siya kay Degong.
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Basta intervention,
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suddenly mapapaisip ka.
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And in fact, for me,
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the Basta intervention
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is very important because,
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well, Sara obviously
11:12.6
is playing safe pa rin.
11:13.7
She's still trying to,
11:15.3
everything is an even kill.
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She's staying in the administration.
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This is not just Degong
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having his own moment, right?
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a family position
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or at least a Davao
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Republic kind of position, right?
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He's the mayor after all.
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And he's, you know,
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closest to a junior, right?
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yung pananalitan niya,
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yung bumibuelo siya
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habang magsalita,
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tapos yung parang
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alpha male style.
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Very Degong, actually,
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That's a difference,
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obviously, with Sara.
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I mean, you tell me,
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yung sagot mismo ni Sara.
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Hindi kami nag-uusap
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ng aking kapatid.
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anong ibig sabihin nun?
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Yung kagad yung kanyang
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naramdaman din niya
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na it looked like,
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Yung resignation.
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Kaya kailangan niya
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Dahil yung dating
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katulad yung sabi mo,
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it's a family position.
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It's a family position.
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It's a Davao Republic position.
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Oo, yun yung one, no?
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ang unang response ni Sara,
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very carefully ni Sara
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I posted yung kanyang
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re-respetuin natin
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ang ating pamilya.
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she was still trying to
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But at the same time,
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may sarili siyang pag-isip,
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sa administrasyon,
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magsiservisyo sa bayan
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bilang president.
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So, she wanted to have
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the KK-82, essentially.
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Do you think that strategy
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is even sustainable?
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No longer working, no?
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Malabo siya, di ba?
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malabo na to, di ba?
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No longer working, no?
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it might cost her.
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in less than a year,
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Which we'll discuss
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in the succeeding episode
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because we're gonna have
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an episode about Tulfo again
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ang suspesya natin pareho
13:23.0
have access to data,
13:29.2
is getting closer
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to the pole position
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as the top contender
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Slowly but surely
13:34.8
is gonna come up.
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But at the same time,
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we have our dynamics naman
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we're not the typical,
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dismissive sa mga Tulfo.
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Just to be honest.
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I always distinguish between
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this brother versus that brother.
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Pero there are times na,
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especially yung banat niya
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kay Secretary Galvez
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recently dun sa ano.
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Medyo I felt like,
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we need to talk about it.
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So we'll have a different episode
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But before we go to Harry,
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and the ICC issue,
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I wanna put forward
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Ang aking suspesya dito is,
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this is not looking like
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a kind of a digong
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I call it stream of
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subconsciousness.
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Hindi lang stream of consciousness.
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Stream of subconsciousness.
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Dalagang Freudian implosion.
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This looks like to me
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what Richard Nixon,
14:31.5
probably the most shrewd
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American president
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of the 20th century
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called the madman theory.
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Ang idea there is that
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if you look unpredictable,
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and you threaten chaos,
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you'll intimidate
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that's how he tried to justify
14:52.1
the horrible things
14:53.3
that he and Kissinger did
14:54.4
in Cambodia, for instance.
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Yung pag-escalate nila
14:56.7
ng conflict bigla.
14:59.0
peace end of Vietnam War
15:00.7
candidate, right?
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And then he comes in,
15:02.7
then they go on bombing
15:03.6
right and left Cambodia
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and all of the poor countries
15:05.7
there, Laos, etc.
15:07.5
the logic apparent there
15:08.4
is that you show to Soviets
15:11.8
that we're willing to go crazy
15:14.2
so that will force
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the other side to think twice.
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Eh, wait, wait lang.
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delikado tong kausap.
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Parang hindi to predictable.
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So, you'd rather de-escalate.
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it kind of worked
15:23.7
because eventually
15:24.3
he was able to bring China
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against the Soviet Union.
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probably a version of that
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by threatening chaos,
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by making all this noise
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all of them coming after him.
15:42.2
there might be a logic like that
15:43.6
na by threatening hell,
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prevent the worst outcome
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That there could be a method
15:50.5
to the madness here.
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anak siya ng Cold War.
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I won't be surprised.
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He knows a thing or two
15:55.7
Kissinger or Vietnam War,
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That was the time
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he got into college.
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I think people underestimate
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the intelligence of Digong.
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Intellectual intelligence,
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shrewd political intelligence.
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that makes sense?
16:08.5
a part of me feels
16:10.1
Duterte was doing
16:10.7
the madman theory.
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kakansel natin yan.
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bluff lang yun eh.
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I'm not basing it
16:20.2
I felt that was the case
16:21.9
when he was the president,
16:23.3
when he would play
16:24.2
these bluff games
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Paalisin ko yung Amerikano,
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I don't think he was
16:29.1
ever really serious about it.
16:30.6
I felt it was always
16:32.2
madman theory strategy
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which kind of worked,
16:36.9
US really didn't go after him
16:38.4
and caught a deal with him.
16:40.9
the counter-argument would be
16:43.2
he's at his sharpest
16:48.0
a sensible approach,
16:49.2
Kung alam mo naman
16:52.0
the walls are closing on you,
16:54.0
unahin mo na lang yan
16:57.7
trying to climb out of it.
16:59.2
What do you think about that?
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Pwedeng may metod
17:05.9
dito sa kanyang madness.
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no king at the gong
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since no time mayor,
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parang madman na siya
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Wala nang theory.
17:17.4
Wala nang theory.
17:18.8
Hindi siya nakikita
17:19.8
simply as a strategy.
17:24.1
Mas out of character
17:25.6
kung ano nila niya last month
17:27.2
sa press conference niya
17:30.5
Madman lang din na theory.
17:32.6
Hindi siya naniniwala
17:33.8
dun sa pulburong video.
17:35.9
Hindi siya naniniwala
17:38.2
is behind the ICC.
17:40.5
out of character.
17:41.9
Pero yung kanyang character
17:45.9
yung kanyang character
17:46.9
since he was a mayor.
17:48.2
Since he was a president.
17:52.7
it could be part of a strategy
17:57.9
Ganoon na yung katauhan niya
17:58.9
simula nung mayor siya eh.
18:03.2
sa mga local enemies niya.
18:05.1
Ganyan siya makipag-away
18:06.3
sa mga kalaban niya.
18:10.8
pwedeng merong method
18:13.3
yung kanyang madness.
18:24.6
Tignan naman yung
18:31.8
Hindi naman siya teori.
18:32.5
Baka katauhan talaga eh.
18:44.5
Ustapin ang libido.
18:47.9
Libidinal volcanic
18:55.7
ganito ako sa Ronald.
18:58.1
yung mga ka-TikTokers natin
18:59.6
mabilis na na-question na
19:01.7
you're giving na naman
19:02.4
too much credit to Tatay.
19:04.5
immediately yun ang sagot mo.
19:06.1
Baka mad man lang,
19:09.4
I never believe in that.
19:10.6
Like Tatay Digong
19:14.1
Di ba may mga ganon dati?
19:15.9
Hindi ako pinagsasabihin
19:19.8
na-Sanju siya ng China.
19:21.6
Na-Sunshine siya ng China.
19:24.1
Yung mga tao niya,
19:24.9
nagsusubukang nag-mad.
19:27.7
yung kanyang madness.
19:28.0
In-lipstick nila yun, no?
19:29.5
Yung kanyang madness.
19:31.0
pinapabayaan siyang magsalita
19:33.3
si Lasalle Dominguez,
19:34.6
sinusubukang i-backpedal,
19:37.2
yung mga nang-sposed person,
19:38.8
bago si Ex-humanized lawyer,
19:41.9
So, yun yung mga naga-adjust
19:45.1
ng kanyang madness,
19:52.4
sa Lasalle Dominguez
19:53.2
yung kanyang madness
19:59.9
Good Machiavelli!
20:01.7
Sabi nga nang dati kung...
20:03.2
pagpapatakbo ng kanyang gobyerno,
20:06.1
Iba naman yung ginagawa.
20:07.3
Iba yung ginagawa nila
20:09.0
wala na siya kasing gobyerno eh.
20:11.9
Dito din siya ngayon.
20:14.5
Yung mga kanyang mga karakter
20:15.4
is the zero-sum guy eh.
20:17.6
He's the zero-sum guy.
20:20.0
yun yung kanyang one na,
20:21.3
wag nyo ako i-voto!
20:22.7
Kung i-voboto nyo ako,
20:24.6
isandaang libong bangkay
20:28.0
Mga ganun yung kanyang mga,
20:31.9
part of a method,
20:34.4
Part of his personality,
20:38.7
bahagi ng kanyang karakter,
20:39.9
yung zero-sum guy eh.
20:43.1
bang nakalaga episode.
20:44.1
Secretary Ronald Llamas,
20:46.0
the method is the madness.
20:47.9
There is no method
20:52.5
Pag sinabi mo kasi
20:55.0
pag nag-iisipan niya
20:58.5
Good, good, good.
21:01.2
I think that sets the perfect
21:02.8
transition to our next episode,
21:09.3
pag sabang natin,
21:09.9
itong konting maritas
21:11.3
and Davao Task Force.
21:22.2
Wala nang if masyado,
21:23.3
the warrants of Arrescom.
21:24.8
What are we gonna look forward to?
21:26.6
pag-usapan natin yan
21:28.0
Thank you very much,
21:28.7
Secretary Ronald Llamas,
21:30.7
Theory Without Madness.
21:35.3
The method is the madness.
21:37.2
Magandang ano yan.
21:37.9
Magandang ano yan.
21:39.7
hindi tayo Richard Nixon.
21:43.1
Tatay Digong lang.
21:44.4
Thank you very much, sir.
21:47.9
Okay, eto na, eto na.
21:50.3
Yung mga nanonood sa'yo
21:52.6
palitan natin kundi.
21:55.8
first time mo lang
21:56.4
magbigay na analysis
21:58.5
Hindi, joke lang.
21:59.4
Hindi, eto, eto, eto.
22:00.1
Pag-usapan natin eto.
22:04.8
yung favorite podcaster mo
22:08.1
Meron siyang sinabi dito
22:09.8
hindi na daw siya
22:12.5
kailangan ko maglagay
22:13.2
ng Maharlika shades.
22:14.6
Hindi daw siya makakatulog.
22:16.6
Nai-insomnia daw siya.
22:19.3
tumawag daw si Tatay Digong
22:21.3
Si Method is the madness,
22:25.5
yung warrant of arrest
22:26.6
is coming all of that.
22:29.7
going back to the previous episode,
22:31.0
is this their way of
22:33.1
para i-preempt nila
22:35.4
political disaster?
22:38.2
maybe there's still something
22:39.9
Because I would have expected
22:42.0
to come out strong
22:42.9
if indeed there's this
22:44.0
almost confirmation na
22:45.1
the warrant of arrest
22:46.0
is a matter of time.
22:47.6
in relation to that,
22:48.9
etong accusation niya na
22:50.4
the security services
22:51.7
are already moving.
22:53.0
They're essentially
22:54.6
the devout security establishment
22:57.6
nationalized, right?
22:58.8
Na it will not act
22:59.7
in behalf of Digong.
23:00.6
It will act in behalf
23:01.5
of the state of the Philippines
23:02.9
should the Philippine government
23:04.4
cooperate with ICC
23:09.4
si Ex-Human Rights
23:10.5
Oh, pagsapan natin yan!
23:11.9
Medyo maabang saban yan!
23:13.4
Hindi, hindi na yun muna.
23:15.8
Masyado ka kasing maraming
23:17.0
kinain na mga prinsipyo mo.
23:19.0
Hindi lang indigestion
23:20.2
ang tama sa'yo, eh.
23:22.0
loose bowel movement
23:25.6
maiihikat sa swan.
23:31.8
tanggalin na muna natin
23:39.4
eh, yung mas malalim
23:40.2
yung dahilan nun.
23:46.7
hindi tatanggalin
23:51.2
Hindi na nakatanggalin.
23:54.0
nababuhin yung mga tao.
23:55.9
Dahil talaga namang
24:05.7
Senator Sanitillanes
24:07.9
middle of the day,
24:09.4
middle of the year,
24:22.0
At yung sinasabi nila
24:30.2
Yeah, but that's my question.
24:31.4
Why would they do that?
24:33.2
How does that serve
24:34.8
their political purpose?
24:36.5
To create this panic mode?
24:38.0
Hindi ba naging mukhang
24:39.9
Naging mukhang kabado sila?
24:41.2
Naging mukhang vulnerable sila?
24:43.1
it is what I'm saying.
24:44.3
They're creating drama
24:47.8
to threaten chaos,
24:51.8
to prepare your own base.
24:54.4
yung base ni Kubunoy
24:56.7
handa ba kayong kumilos?
24:57.9
Kung sakaling darating yan,
24:59.2
magmamobilize ba kayo
25:02.5
Rally around the flag effect.
25:04.2
Rally around the flag.
25:11.5
katulad ng sinabi mo,
25:13.4
mag-create ang confusion
25:17.1
sa iyong sariling base.
25:19.0
two-edged dyan eh.
25:20.3
Two-edged sword dyan eh.
25:25.1
para sa iyong base.
25:29.4
sa sarili mong base.
25:32.8
dapat linawin nila.
25:36.9
Hindi ko naman sila
25:37.9
isa-second guess.
25:42.1
hindi rin malinaw.
25:44.1
O hindi pa malinaw
25:45.1
yung mga nilang gagawin.
25:47.1
the madness pa rin.
25:51.1
sinubukan nilang dalhin
25:57.1
isang platetong mali.
25:59.1
So, medyo napahiya
26:02.1
So, susubukan nila
26:05.1
anti-chacha rally.
26:06.1
Hindi na pro-sara rally,
26:07.1
anti-chacha rally na.
26:08.1
Hindi na pro-sara rally, anti-chacha rally na.
26:09.1
Gagawin na naman nila
26:10.1
within the month.
26:13.1
kung gagawa ba talaga nila
26:15.1
na hindi lang Dabao
26:17.1
sila kaya mag-mobilize
26:19.1
kung hindi mismo rito.
26:20.1
Pero, mismo kasi sa Dabao,
26:24.1
lumampas ng 8,000 eh.
26:26.1
Nandun sa rally nila.
26:28.1
Eh, base na nila.
26:29.1
Ba, naka-8,000 ba sila?
26:30.1
Akala ko 200 lang
26:35.1
Noong nagpapalakpakan sila
26:38.1
yung muuwi na yung mga tao.
26:40.1
Usually kasi yan,
26:41.1
labas-masok yan eh.
26:43.1
May darating, may aalis.
26:44.1
May darating, may aalis.
26:45.1
Sabi daw ng mga polis,
26:48.1
Sabi ng mga tao ko ron,
26:51.1
Biligyan ko na nga ng kaunting slack.
26:52.1
Biligyan ko na ng kaunting alawan.
26:56.1
Pero yung mga nandun,
26:58.1
ng mga kasama ko eh,
27:01.1
Wala pang limang tao.
27:02.1
Wala pang limang tao.
27:06.1
empty yung chair.
27:07.1
Yung pumapalakpang
27:08.1
yung tao sa kanya.
27:09.1
Yung inahamon-ahamon niya
27:11.1
at tumatawag siya sa AFP
27:16.1
Hindi naman sa crowd eh.
27:19.1
parang pinapakita yung crowd.
27:20.1
Tapos may mga empty chair pa yata
27:21.1
or something like that.
27:22.1
Basta alam mo yung mga
27:23.1
barangay events na
27:25.1
Umuwi na yung mga tao.
27:26.1
Nagbabaybay na sa likod.
27:27.1
Bota na sa bayad.
27:29.1
Nagubos na yung mga
27:31.1
spaghetti at sandwich.
27:38.1
Kumuha na ng maraming
27:40.1
Iuwi na sa kanilang pamilya.
27:41.1
Kaya nga ang point ko dito,
27:43.1
is this a political harakiri?
27:47.1
accelerating the demise
27:49.1
of his political capital.
27:52.1
by itong sabog na
27:55.1
hindi pranic mode.
27:57.1
it's supposed to be
27:58.1
a rallying effect.
27:59.1
E matagal na sinasabi
28:05.1
Pero sabi mo nga,
28:06.1
ilang libo lang dumating
28:09.1
Pinagbigyan mo pa nga
28:10.1
yung number nila.
28:11.1
Pati yung SD card
28:16.1
Kaya yung tema sa mga
28:17.1
problema sa mga tao
28:19.1
They tend to believe
28:20.1
their own legend.
28:22.1
They tend to believe
28:23.1
their own propaganda.
28:27.1
Devil's Advocate?
28:32.1
Si Al Pacino ba to?
28:33.1
Si Al Pacino ba to?
28:36.1
Punong-punong sila ng hubris eh.
28:40.1
Ganito sila kakagaling.
28:41.1
Ganito sila kalapas.
28:42.1
Until ma-realize nila,
28:44.1
Mukhang nandun sila
28:45.1
sa transition na yan eh.
28:46.1
Na-realize nila na,
28:49.1
Hindi na pala tayo
28:51.1
Hindi na pala tayo
28:52.1
ganun ka-powerful.
28:56.1
kaunting chismis lang
28:57.1
sa Davao Task Force,
29:01.1
Todo panic na kagad.
29:03.1
Kala ko ba ang tatapang nila?
29:04.1
Kala ko ba sobra silang
29:05.1
na-believe sa sarili?
29:08.1
Ma-retest lang na ko eh.
29:09.1
May nagsabi kasi wala nang
29:12.1
wala akong sinabi.
29:13.1
Wala akong sinasabi.
29:15.1
Biglang nag-panic na eh.
29:17.1
Huwag naman masyado mag-panic.
29:19.1
Pwede pa naman silang tanggapin
29:23.1
Tatanggapin ba sila
29:25.1
I don't think China likes losers.
29:29.1
China wouldn't be China
29:30.1
kung tumataya lang sila
29:31.1
forever sa mga losers.
29:32.1
I'm just telling.
29:37.1
going back to the Harikiri
29:40.1
hindi dahil galing ako
29:42.1
or kagaling lang natin
29:44.1
or gusto kong manood
29:50.1
it was quite telling
29:51.1
na Secretary Anyo,
29:52.1
National Security Advisor,
29:53.1
who was his DLG Secretary,
29:54.1
who was the FB Chief
29:56.1
comes out so strong
29:59.1
to crush any threat
30:00.1
to territorial integrity.
30:02.1
this is in response
30:03.1
to the Mindanao Secession
30:07.1
Secretary Galvez,
30:13.1
also coming out very strong
30:14.1
and speaking out against
30:18.1
I think this is the key term,
30:19.1
seditious insinuations,
30:23.1
Defense Secretary
30:25.1
hindi siya pinili,
30:28.1
Defense Secretary,
30:29.1
also came out very strong.
30:31.1
it looks like all the big boys,
30:32.1
the Defense guys,
30:36.1
generals that serve under Digong even
30:37.1
or close to Digong back in the day,
30:38.1
yung mga tahimig dati na,
30:40.1
they're all coming out
30:41.1
very strongly against him
30:45.1
it's like he's accelerating
30:48.1
the disintegration
30:49.1
ng kanyang political capital
30:50.1
or whatever is left of that,
30:52.1
Kaya nga sabi ko,
30:53.1
parang may pagkaharikili niya.
30:54.1
I'm completely contradicting
30:55.1
what I was saying
30:56.1
in the previous episode,
30:58.1
In the previous episode,
31:00.1
there could be a,
31:01.1
sabi nga ni Fitzgerald,
31:03.1
the sign of wisdom
31:04.1
is having two contradictory ideas
31:06.1
and still keeping sane,
31:10.1
the Fitzgerald test.
31:11.1
At the same time,
31:13.1
and this is where maybe
31:14.1
I'm more agree with you is,
31:17.1
violent lashes of,
31:26.1
Shakespearean na ba?
31:28.1
mixed yung reaction ko
31:29.1
dito sa mga statements
31:38.1
sinusupalpal nila
31:41.1
At pinapakita nila
31:45.1
Yun yung sinasabi nila.
31:46.1
Pero in another sense,
31:47.1
parang sininseryoso nila
31:55.1
from the very start,
31:58.1
ako hindi ko sininseryoso
32:00.1
mismo nga sa tabaw eh,
32:01.1
even by increment,
32:02.1
sumihina na siya,
32:06.1
sa nakarang episode,
32:07.1
hindi na makukuha
32:08.1
ang Southern Mindanao,
32:14.1
hindi na makukuha
32:15.1
ang North Cotabato,
32:16.1
ang Cotabato City,
32:18.1
hindi na makukuha
32:23.1
kung anong kanyang
32:36.1
Pantaleon Alvarez,
32:41.1
nagbati-bati na sila ulit,
32:45.1
wala nyo namang hatak
32:46.1
si Pantaleon Alvarez ngayon
32:47.1
sa buong Mindanao.
32:51.1
sinupport niya si Lenny?
32:52.1
Magsasabay kami sa biyernes
32:58.1
kaya in one sense,
32:59.1
makes yung reaction ko
33:03.1
ay gustong supal pa rin
33:07.1
Dahil wala naman siyang
33:11.1
dahil sinasagot siya
33:17.1
baka magmukha pa siyang importante.
33:20.1
Hindi naman yung tingin ko
33:21.1
isa sa kanyang purpose.
33:29.1
natingin ko hindi na.
33:30.1
Natingin ko hindi na.
33:32.1
naki-create siya ng gano'ng
33:35.1
huwag nang pagbigyan.
33:42.1
Enrile agrees with you.
33:43.1
I think may sinabi si Enrile
33:45.1
if I were the one,
33:46.1
hindi ko papatulan.
33:48.1
medyo politically sophisticated,
33:51.1
I would say he's the Machiavelli
33:52.1
of the Philippines.
33:55.1
100 years old na yun,
33:58.1
malapit na yung birthday ni Vossing.
34:03.1
Masarap pa nabang sa political chess.
34:06.1
in fairness to him,
34:07.1
he's quite something.
34:09.1
I've been with 90 years old
34:15.1
medyo ibang level ta rin siya eh.
34:16.1
Pride of the Philippines.
34:20.1
may pushback against
34:29.1
the reason I understand Anio
34:33.1
and all these generals
34:34.1
or security guys coming out
34:39.1
yung sinabi ni Bronner nun.
34:40.1
So I think that's
34:41.1
Okay pa yung audience.
34:44.1
So I'm explaining to you
34:45.1
where they're coming from.
34:46.1
Hindi ko sinabi na
34:47.1
nakausap ko sila.
34:48.1
Hindi ko sinabi na
34:49.1
I can understand that.
34:56.1
masyadong mong binibigay
35:00.1
bakit mo walang kwentang
35:01.1
sa session na ito.
35:06.1
I think it's that.
35:07.1
I think it's really
35:09.1
Na they have to really shut it down.
35:11.1
traction whatsoever
35:12.1
sa security services.
35:14.1
kasi the moment na
35:18.1
The politicos are already
35:19.1
with the administration,
35:21.1
immediately put a wall there.
35:24.1
I don't know about China,
35:25.1
good luck na lang dyan na,
35:26.1
you know, ayaw nila.
35:27.1
They don't like losing horses.
35:28.1
Let's just put it that way.
35:30.1
that's what I'm saying.
35:31.1
So, ang sinasabing Ronald,
35:32.1
hindi na siya do 30.
35:35.1
Kasi may pantal yun.
35:36.1
May do one na siya.
35:39.1
Hindi na siya do 30.
35:42.1
pinapalibutan niya yung sarili niya
35:43.1
ng mga kapwa niya losers.
35:48.1
former executive secretary.
35:53.1
former human rights lawyer,
35:56.1
Uy, wag kang ganyan ha.
35:57.1
Malaking nga naman yan.
35:58.1
Ang sinabi sa akin ni Robin
36:00.1
itong si kulang sa pansin,
36:03.1
itong si laos na.
36:04.1
Kaya hindi ako sumasama
36:05.1
sa mga press corps.
36:07.1
naging relevant ka.
36:09.1
naging relevant ka.
36:11.1
naging tabihan sa kanila.
36:12.1
Bakit kasama ko mo itong mga
36:15.1
Hindi ko sa mga press corps niya.
36:18.1
Okay, maganda yan.
36:20.1
Perfect transition yan.
36:22.1
bago natin pag-usapan si
36:27.1
Pag-usapan natin yung
36:29.1
Yung ginawa kang relevant.
36:31.1
Matatawa ka nga eh.
36:32.1
Nung pinatulong ka ni Robin
36:33.1
naging relevant ka ng big time.
36:51.1
Mayroon din ako sa
36:53.1
Medyo malapit-lapit.
36:54.1
Medyo malapit-lapit.
36:58.1
Pag-usapan natin next,
36:59.1
ang paborito natin
37:00.1
senador ng bayan.
37:03.1
dalawa silang paborito ngayon.
37:04.1
Paborito mo si Robin,
37:07.1
Pag-usapan natin yan.
37:08.1
Thank you very much.
37:09.1
Fantastic discussion
37:11.1
Secretary Ronald Llamas.
37:13.1
Isa ka pa ni former.
37:14.1
Wulang sa pansin.
37:15.1
Wulang sa pansin.
37:16.1
Wulang sa pansin.
37:21.1
Ngayon, nasobraan ng pansin.
37:22.1
Kaya crush ng bayan na ngayon.
37:32.1
Pumunta naman tayo sa senado.
37:34.1
Yung Senate natin.
37:38.1
our August Chamber.
37:40.1
Pag-usapan natin yan.
37:43.1
numero uno sa last elections.
37:45.1
Si Robin Hood Padilla.
37:48.1
May interview rin si Robin Hood Padilla.
37:50.1
May interview kay back-to-back
37:56.1
Nung tinignan ko yung views mo,
37:57.1
mas maraming ka kay Robin
38:05.1
Saan yung mic ko?
38:10.1
Podcast mic drop.
38:11.1
Ibang klase ka pala eh.
38:12.1
Tapos ikaw pang kino-quote
38:14.1
Sabi ng isang political expert.
38:16.1
Sana'y sinabi na si
38:18.1
Eto, nag-away na si Robin
38:19.1
si Robin Hood sa'yo.
38:21.1
Ano nga ganoon nga ako
38:22.1
ni Patrick Paez ka naman
38:25.1
anong gagawin ko dyan?
38:26.1
Eh, kino-quote ka ni
38:27.1
kino-quote ka ni Karen eh.
38:28.1
Kaya kailangan na.
38:30.1
Political expert talaga.
38:31.1
Hindi lang political analyst.
38:32.1
I never heard her say
38:33.1
political expert.
38:34.1
I always heard her say
38:35.1
political analyst.
38:37.1
Anyone naman can be analyst.
38:38.1
Pero yung political expert,
38:39.1
taas ng belief niya sa'yo.
38:40.1
Kasi ang taas ng views mo eh.
38:43.1
tala mo si Aimee,
38:47.1
Nung sinama ko si Bato
38:49.1
mas mataas pa rin views mo
38:52.1
ba't yung ibang political analyst
38:53.1
at least kumikita?
38:54.1
Basta kung hindi.
38:56.1
Speaking of which.
38:59.1
Pakiabot yung jacket.
39:00.1
Bigyan ng jacket.
39:01.1
Bigyan ng jacket.
39:02.1
Okay na yung konti,
39:03.1
okay na yung konti ng viewers
39:07.1
just to tell you,
39:08.1
may mga vloggers daw
39:10.1
nasa ibang bansa na,
39:12.1
Hindi mo ba na-follow
39:15.1
na naghihiraman daw sila?
39:18.1
mamaya tayo sa kachipangan.
39:21.1
Eto, eto, eto, eto.
39:22.1
Sabi ni Robin Hood
39:23.1
dun sa interview niya
39:28.1
Hindi, joke lang.
39:31.1
unit team andun pa rin
39:32.1
kasi Sarah is still
39:34.1
So that says something about,
39:36.1
he said something
39:37.1
very interesting.
39:38.1
He said something like,
39:39.1
nasa ilalim ako ni Sarah,
39:41.1
ganyan, ganyan, ganyan.
39:43.1
So if Sarah is in the cabinet,
39:44.1
then I am with the unit team.
39:47.1
the immediate reaction
39:50.1
senador ka ng bayan,
39:51.1
sa ilalim ka ng bisipresidente.
39:52.1
Saan sa mundo mo pinulot
39:54.1
yung idea na ang isang senador
39:56.1
ay isang ano lang
39:57.1
ng isang bisipresidente?
39:58.1
I think yung issue,
39:59.1
yung idea ng separation of powers,
40:01.1
equality of branches of the state,
40:03.1
I mean mukhang hindi to naka,
40:05.1
nag-level up to si kuya eh.
40:08.1
ano pa rin siya eh.
40:10.1
isn't that shocking?
40:11.1
Baka hindi naman ganun
40:13.1
Masyado lang mataas
40:14.1
yung expectation mo.
40:15.1
Shocking yung honesty.
40:20.1
yung inaansahan mo sa kanya,
40:23.1
kung ano siya eh,
40:24.1
job applicant siya eh.
40:25.1
Nagbo-volunteer siya
40:31.1
Kasi yun yung ibig niyang sabihin.
40:40.1
advance mag-isip si Bo Sing,
40:41.1
talaga advance mag-isip ah.
40:43.1
political direction.
40:44.1
Correct, correct.
40:47.1
magaling ka pala,
40:48.1
talagang political expert ka.
40:49.1
Tama si Karen Damila.
40:52.1
hindi ko alam mo yun pala,
40:53.1
may application na pala,
40:54.1
open na palang application.
40:56.1
speaking of which,
40:59.1
he also had a very interesting take
41:04.1
na maiisip mo na magiging
41:06.1
Robin Hood Padilla
41:07.1
is the last person na maiisip mo.
41:09.1
Kasi sobrang patay na patay siya
41:12.1
kung pinalitan mo yung nasulat
41:23.1
Alam mo yung mga ganyang
41:24.1
simplistic na pag-iisip.
41:27.1
I know he has good intentions
41:28.1
but ang point na is,
41:29.1
okay siya sa Chacha
41:30.1
and then he made this weird
41:31.1
constitutional argument na
41:32.1
ang people's initiative
41:33.1
is enshrined in our constitution.
41:35.1
He cited different articles.
41:37.1
last time I checked,
41:38.1
if you ask the Supreme Court,
41:39.1
it's still a bit dodgy.
41:41.1
Legally speaking,
41:42.1
gray zone pa rin siya.
41:44.1
walang problema sa PI,
41:45.1
walang problema sa charter change.
41:46.1
Ang problema lang
41:49.1
ng charter change.
41:51.1
as a basis to say,
41:53.1
sumali siya sa buong senado
41:55.1
against dito sa PI na ito.
41:56.1
But he still defended PI,
41:58.1
he still defended Chacha.
42:02.1
doon sa pumirama sa resolution,
42:04.1
siya yung pinaka may
42:08.1
katulad din sa sinabi ko kalina,
42:10.1
mas forward looking eh
42:12.1
si Senator Robin Hood Padilla.
42:16.1
Wala naman siyang
42:17.1
hindi siya parang obligado
42:20.1
na depensahan yung
42:21.1
Senate as an institution.
42:23.1
Dahil senador pa naman siya
42:27.1
At wala na siyang balak
42:28.1
maging senador sa 2028.
42:30.1
Hindi siya invested.
42:31.1
Hindi siya invested.
42:34.1
first term niya rito.
42:35.1
Kaya hindi naman siya
42:37.1
in defending the institution.
42:40.1
balak naman niyang iwanan
42:44.1
hindi naman ganun ka-excellent
42:46.1
yung kanyang performance
42:50.1
pag pumapatol siya sa mga
42:52.1
Kaya ang kanyang direction
42:56.1
tingin ko siya yung mga
42:59.1
if not the only one,
43:00.1
na hindi siya defensive.
43:02.1
Hindi siya obligadong
43:04.1
depensahan yung institution.
43:05.1
Baka dahil hindi niya rin
43:07.1
masyadong naunawaan
43:08.1
yung institution.
43:10.1
Or hindi siya invested
43:13.1
I mean, to be fair,
43:15.1
even more the logic behind it.
43:16.1
I know minsan nagpapatawa ako
43:18.1
But you make a perfect sense.
43:20.1
If you are betting
43:22.1
doon sa 2028 ticket,
43:24.1
if you're betting on being
43:25.1
Sara Duterte's teammate
43:26.1
on the next UNI team
43:29.1
you have an interest
43:30.1
not to pick a fight with BBM
43:32.1
especially given the conditions.
43:33.1
And at the same time,
43:34.1
showing your absolute
43:38.1
That's a very interesting
43:39.1
way of putting it.
43:40.1
Yung nag-resign siya
43:42.1
as leader ng PDP Laban.
43:45.1
Nung nagsisimula na
43:47.1
between the Duterte
43:48.1
and the Marcoses,
43:49.1
tumabi siya ng konti.
43:51.1
Dahil ayaw niyang,
43:52.1
sabi mo nga kanina,
43:53.1
yung nasag-middle.
43:56.1
Yung nasag-ginta.
43:57.1
Yung sinasabi ni Thatcher.
43:59.1
Tatamaan ng lahat.
44:00.1
So, may konti rin
44:02.1
Si Margarie Thatcher yan.
44:03.1
Hindi baka masabi niya
44:04.1
yung Thatcher na PDO.
44:06.1
Si Margarie Thatcher
44:07.1
baka hindi niya alam
44:08.1
ng point of reference.
44:09.1
Ibang episode kasi yan.
44:10.1
Yung sa Harangkiri episode.
44:15.1
Paliwalag mo na lang
44:17.1
kasi yung Thatcher.
44:18.1
Margarie Thatcher po.
44:19.1
Baka may ibang isipin
44:21.1
Delikado tayo siya.
44:22.1
This is a family-friendly
44:24.1
Baka matanggalan tayo
44:25.1
ng MTRCB certification.
44:31.1
mag-transition dun sa
44:32.1
maging kalaban nila
44:33.1
in 2028 most likely.
44:34.1
Masasabi ko na lang.
44:38.1
Wish him all the luck.
44:41.1
Speaking of that,
44:42.1
will you be on the other
44:43.1
side of the fence?
44:45.1
pag-usapan natin.
44:47.1
this is one episode
44:48.1
pero i-slice ko na lang
44:49.1
kasi I think each of them
44:51.1
Multiverse natin.
44:52.1
At saka magmalami nanonood
44:57.1
Kung masyado naman may iksi,
45:00.1
Kasi ipapashorts na lang niya.
45:02.1
But I think this is good.
45:05.1
Pag-usapan naman natin
45:06.1
yung next favorite senator natin.
45:12.1
Ito na yung penultimate
45:14.1
sa Philippine politics.
45:16.1
one of the interesting figures
45:17.1
who has been more or less
45:21.1
but above the fray-ish
45:22.1
pagdating dito sa bardagulan
45:29.1
a lot at stake here
45:41.1
pagdating sa 2020 election.
45:43.1
we're talking about
45:44.1
Senator Ralphie Tulfo
45:45.1
who was a little bit
45:46.1
trending recently
45:47.1
dun sa back and forth niya
45:50.1
former General Galvez,
45:51.1
Secretary Galvez,
45:54.1
yung accusations niya
45:55.1
na may corruption daw
45:57.1
ito yung demobilization
45:58.1
na ginagawa, diba,
46:01.1
We can talk about that
46:03.1
but you could see na,
46:04.1
in fairness to Secretary Galvez,
46:05.1
I appreciated him
46:06.1
saying immediately,
46:08.1
we're corrupt right away.
46:09.1
Hindi pwede yung jump into,
46:10.1
hindi ito yung show mo, sir.
46:12.1
this is a Senate hearings and all.
46:14.1
nakakatawa yung itsura nila
46:17.1
nakaganyan lang sila.
46:18.1
Paalam kayo diyan,
46:20.1
You should watch the video.
46:21.1
It's an interesting video.
46:25.1
we can talk about
46:26.1
the pros and cons
46:27.1
of this whole Tulfo approach.
46:28.1
And I interviewed him separately,
46:29.1
guys can check it out.
46:31.1
let's talk about Tulfo.
46:35.1
he's the major threat
46:36.1
to a return of the Dutertas,
46:40.1
everyone is focused on
46:44.1
by all indications,
46:45.1
pag sentimento ng tao
46:49.1
he keeps on rising.
46:50.1
He was 11th person
46:51.1
in the established
46:56.1
And someone was telling me
46:57.1
he's actually already
46:59.1
in some of the surveys
47:00.1
that have not been released yet.
47:01.1
Hindi na lang namin sabihin
47:05.1
just to remind you guys,
47:08.1
itong kaibigan natin
47:09.1
si Secretary Llamas,
47:11.1
may nakita siyang survey,
47:14.1
Lenny and Bam and all
47:19.1
exactly the point.
47:21.1
Lenny and Bam were doing
47:25.1
you have been quite correct
47:27.1
may alam kang data,
47:28.1
hindi mo lang pwede sabihin.
47:30.1
I will trust you on this
47:31.1
because I saw the previous time
47:32.1
you were absolutely correct about it.
47:34.1
let's talk about Tulfo.
47:36.1
where do you stand on this issue?
47:39.1
what's your analysis?
47:42.1
What's your analysis?
47:47.1
Kahit hindi niya natulungan
47:48.1
yung daang-daang liibong mga Pilipino,
47:51.1
yung kanyang ethos,
47:53.1
yung kanyang mantra
47:54.1
na isumbong mo kay Tulfo,
47:57.1
karamihan ng mga Pilipino,
48:02.1
yun ang malirinig mo eh,
48:03.1
isusumbong kita kay Tulfo.
48:07.1
mas makapangyarihan
48:08.1
o mas mataas sa'yo,
48:09.1
tapos nagkireklamo
48:12.1
ito ang kanyang expression,
48:13.1
isusumbong kita kay Tulfo.
48:14.1
So, it has become a household brand.
48:17.1
Yung isumbong kita kay Tulfo.
48:18.1
Kaya hindi nakakagulat na
48:20.1
yung kanyang party list,
48:23.1
first time tumakbo sa party list,
48:26.1
first time niya tumakbo sa survey,
48:27.1
nag number two siya.
48:31.1
yung kanyang kapatid,
48:32.1
yung Erwin Tulfo,
48:33.1
ay nag na number one sa survey.
48:37.1
kanyang pinanggalingan,
48:38.1
isumbong mo kay Tulfo,
48:41.1
nakapuhay yung imagination
48:43.1
For lack of a better example,
48:44.1
parang si Digong as Punisher.
48:48.1
As Punisher in Dabao City.
48:50.1
medyo nationwide na kagad.
48:53.1
mas sikat pa kay Digong before.
48:54.1
We had this discussion with Leloy,
48:56.1
diba sabi ni Leloy,
48:58.1
before we were aware of Digong,
48:59.1
they were already the Tulfo brothers,
49:00.1
and they were already in a house.
49:04.1
nauna si Digong sa political
49:07.1
sila hindi tumatakbo.
49:08.1
Pero sila hindi tumatakbo.
49:12.1
magkakalala yung Mon Tulfo,
49:14.1
yung Tulfo brothers.
49:16.1
magkakapatid sila lahat,
49:18.1
Tsaka yung sister na naging
49:19.1
sagkantari ng tourism.
49:23.1
hindi sila tumatakbo.
49:25.1
tumatakbo na sila.
49:27.1
With a vengeance,
49:29.1
With a vengeance.
49:32.1
medyo may organic sense naman
49:35.1
Organic political sense
49:37.1
bagamat mataas siya,
49:38.1
bagamat very compelling
49:39.1
yung kanyang political narrative,
49:42.1
nagpipigil din siya.
49:46.1
pag ikaw yung tumaas,
49:49.1
lahat hihingi sa iyo ng resources
49:50.1
at lahat babanatan ka.
49:54.1
kung oobserbahan mo,
49:56.1
yung kanyang apake.
49:59.1
una niyang binanatan,
50:05.1
a lot of people loves to hate.
50:10.1
pinanggalingan niya,
50:13.1
ang mga magsasakalan
50:14.1
ng mga marginalized,
50:15.1
ng mga subdivision,
50:18.1
meron ding pinanggalingan
50:19.1
yung kanyang banat.
50:21.1
Hindi lang siya pure
50:23.1
Sa combination of calculation,
50:25.1
Na pwede niyang banatan
50:27.1
na hindi naman niya
50:31.1
political narrative niya.
50:33.1
Pero at the same time,
50:34.1
meron mga lumapit sa kanya
50:40.1
He's very shrewd.
50:41.1
May sarili siya pa,
50:43.1
May sarili siyang ah,
50:45.1
organic intellect.
50:47.1
Organic intellectual siya.
50:51.1
wala siyang mga researchers,
50:52.1
wala siyang mga advisors,
50:55.1
may pagka-lone wolf yan,
50:58.1
Pero in spite of that,
51:00.1
he's doing quite well,
51:02.1
Doon sa kanyang ah,
51:05.1
Whatever that is,
51:08.1
yun yung isang nagagawa niya.
51:15.1
dinabasan niya yung
51:16.1
nasirasabi ni Pia,
51:18.1
ebidensya niyan eh.
51:19.1
No, wala namang ebidensya,
51:20.1
eh di pinakita niya,
51:21.1
performant pa niya.
51:23.1
galing performative,
51:25.1
Gano'ng gano'ng gano'ng siya.
51:27.1
Pang tik tok talaga eh.
51:33.1
baka naman ano lang iyan,
51:35.1
Malim parating naman
51:36.1
lalo na lang revolt,
51:38.1
It served the purpose, diba?
51:40.5
At saka medyo natameme si Pia, diba?
51:43.5
Medyo natameme, niligong-ligong si Pia.
51:46.0
Di nga alam kung ano nangyayari, diba?
51:47.6
So, tapos ito, yung PCSO.
51:49.8
Diba? Ano, kinatay na yung PCSO.
51:52.1
Diba? Dahil maraming mga Pilipino,
51:54.1
ito na lang yung parang legal wetting, eh.
51:57.9
Diba? Ito na lang yung legal wetting, STL.
52:00.6
Tapos, nadayaan mo pa yung mga tao,
52:02.7
imahatirin mo yung dating ng tulpo brand
52:05.8
doon sa mga bumibili ng loto.
52:09.4
Diba? Okay na okay siya roon.
52:11.7
Kaya, bagamat hindi siya masyadong nag-sosobra,
52:16.7
yung mga dominant issues sa bansa,
52:20.9
hindi siya sumasama masyado,
52:23.1
cha-cha, et cetera, no?
52:25.1
Ganyan nga yan, itong away, et cetera.
52:26.9
Hindi siya sumasama masyado dyan.
52:28.0
Pero pili yung kanyang pinipili ng mga issues
52:31.3
na hindi naman siya totally mawawala.
52:33.9
At meron mga sektor na nagmamarkas
52:35.7
siya beyond 2025,
52:41.1
Kaya, hindi ko siya i-underestimate.
52:43.6
Hindi ko siya i-underestimate, no?
52:46.7
Definitely, none of us are underestimating him.
52:49.1
And speaking of actually,
52:51.2
definitely not underestimating,
52:53.1
clearly, napansin ko,
52:54.8
marami mga DDS ngayon,
52:56.1
biglang ina-attack si tulpo.
52:57.3
And nakita ko, marami sa mga DDS blog online,
53:01.3
they go after anyone who attacks tulpo.
53:04.0
And I saw, they also attack me
53:05.5
because they, you know,
53:06.4
perceive me of not being tough enough on tulpo and all.
53:08.5
I mean, personally, as I said,
53:10.3
I have my own concerns sometimes with the,
53:12.8
you know, I ask him, you know, point blank,
53:14.7
the tulpo way of justice,
53:15.9
how is this coming in?
53:17.2
I think, you know, it's sometimes hit,
53:19.9
it's sometimes miss.
53:21.2
But, you know, generally, I think it has a good intention.
53:23.1
Now, what I found, of course, interesting
53:24.6
with the criticism against Digong
53:26.1
is that it comes from a camp
53:27.2
that was okay with a former president
53:29.5
who was openly calling for extrajudicial killings on mass.
53:31.9
So, parang, galit ka sa tulpo way,
53:35.5
kasi hindi niya nire-respect yung due process?
53:37.6
Sabay, okay ka kay Digong?
53:39.7
I mean, like, that's like crazy.
53:41.7
Like, it's like, galit ka sa, I don't know,
53:43.8
yung, I don't know, yung VOS mo na may pollution,
53:46.2
pero okay ka dun sa Lamborghini na,
53:48.3
you know what I'm saying, gas guzzler.
53:50.6
I mean, you know what I'm saying?
53:51.6
So, I just found that very weird,
53:53.7
if not hypocritical.
53:55.4
Nevertheless, I mean, shouldn't we also be concerned
53:57.3
na if ever he becomes the next president,
53:59.7
baka mag-next level siyang ganito na
54:02.3
baka maging masyadong performative,
54:04.2
baka masyadong demagogic, diba?
54:07.2
Maging ganyan-ganyan.
54:08.2
Kasi, that's, that's, that's, ano eh,
54:10.4
that's a double-edged sword.
54:11.9
It works when, you get what I'm saying?
54:13.8
We have to be fair to also criticism
54:15.6
because this person is still not the president,
54:18.3
but if ever this person becomes the president
54:20.3
and then ganito yung approach niya,
54:21.5
imagine giving national speeches,
54:23.1
kalaban mo siya, diba?
54:25.3
Ang diling dudurugin ka ng mga yan, eh, diba?
54:28.0
Pwede kasing, tama, pwede kasing isipin ng mga iba
54:30.2
na, oh, wala siyang, parang wala itong experience
54:35.5
Wala siyang one, eh.
54:36.8
He's also a populist.
54:38.7
Trial by publicity, some would say.
54:42.1
Pero, ang kaibahan siguro niya,
54:43.6
populist siya without the extrajudicial killings.
54:46.7
True, he never supported that.
54:49.0
Oo, yan yung isa, no?
54:51.1
Pero, yung iba kasi, mas tinitignan nito,
54:56.1
Duterte and Tulpo, no?
54:58.5
Maglalesan evil sila.
55:00.2
Ganon yung one, eh.
55:00.9
Unless, merong, ah,
55:02.9
merong black swan na,
55:05.4
Parang, ah, may, may babo ka
55:13.7
parang itong dalawa yung nagtutunggalian, eh.
55:15.8
Kaya, binabanatan na siya
55:17.2
nung mga pro-SARA.
55:19.6
Dahil, damanan nila na
55:21.8
Threat talaga siya.
55:26.1
Sabi nga, naluloko,
55:27.2
pag namumuhay yung puno-puno ng mangga,
55:30.0
So, binabaton na si Tulpo ngayon.
55:33.1
marami rin naman,
55:35.2
dahil maraming question mark, eh.
55:39.0
lalo na in relation to
55:43.6
checks and balance,
55:47.2
yeah, evidence-based discussion,
55:50.6
Medyo question mark pa siya.
55:52.4
wala naman siya sa hit,
55:53.9
wala naman siyang, ah,
55:56.5
ah, yung dark side, no?
55:59.8
Which is yung EJK, no?
56:01.6
Yung ganoon na klase na kwala.
56:04.1
mas mga binabalat sa kanila,
56:08.1
yung mga kaso na tinatapon sa kanila,
56:12.6
yun yung mga kwala,
56:13.6
na baka hindi naman issue
56:14.8
kay Big, ah, Big R.
56:17.5
ewan ka kay real Big R,
56:22.8
this is a family-oriented show.
56:25.4
okay ba yung transference?
56:26.9
Okay ba yung transference?
56:28.5
nag-Freudian transference
56:31.1
sa therapist mong
56:32.1
nagtatransference.
56:34.1
ang pistinan ako, ah.
56:42.3
nami-misunderstood tayo na,
56:44.8
where I'm coming from is,
56:45.6
I just find it so hypocritical
56:47.5
to question Tulfo's
56:49.0
on the due process question
56:49.9
and then sabayot supporta
56:52.4
I just find that like,
56:53.2
wala akang moral ascendancy whatsoever
56:55.4
to question the Tulfos
56:56.4
if you're okay with what Digong said.
56:58.4
Having said that,
57:00.5
I raised that question
57:01.3
with Rafi Tulfo na,
57:05.0
on a more positive note,
57:06.8
the glass half full is that,
57:09.0
mukhang may learning curve siya,
57:11.1
Anyone who knows him,
57:13.4
I don't know about the other brothers,
57:14.5
hindi ko kilala si Ben,
57:15.4
hindi ko kilala si Mon,
57:16.3
so I cannot speak for them.
57:20.0
so it will be unfair naman na
57:22.0
i-ano mo silang lahat
57:24.1
Yeah, there are Tulfo brothers,
57:25.1
but each brother has their own dynamics,
57:27.8
As far as Rafi is concerned,
57:29.4
my understanding from people who know him
57:31.3
and people who are good people who know him
57:32.9
and you know also a lot of these people
57:34.3
is that he has learning curve.
57:36.3
if he makes mistakes,
57:41.4
I don't think he'll admit it openly,
57:42.9
but I think behind the scenes,
57:44.3
he's someone who has a certain level of self-awareness
57:46.5
and self-correctiveness.
57:48.1
whether that's sufficient enough
57:51.1
perfect siya for 2028,
57:52.6
ibang usapan yan,
57:56.4
he opens up the race
57:57.5
and at the very least,
57:58.6
he opens up the space
57:59.7
for a third candidate
58:01.1
and then there's also the possibility of,
58:03.7
I heard some crazy ideas about him possibly,
58:06.6
teaming up with Riza Ontiveras.
58:08.1
that would not be totally out of this world.
58:11.4
magandang relationship ni Tulfo
58:15.6
with a lot of progressive people out there
58:17.1
that people don't know about,
58:18.9
there's also the behind the scenes part,
58:21.6
the more progressive,
58:26.5
that people are not appreciating.
58:28.1
I'm just saying this, guys,
58:32.6
isa kang resident ng Pasig,
58:36.1
and then may kaso ka,
58:39.0
refer it and then coordinate it
58:41.0
and then resolve it in support.
58:42.5
You get what I'm saying?
58:43.4
I heard that these cases
58:44.6
are going out there.
58:46.4
maybe you have better intelligence
58:47.5
than me on this issue,
58:48.8
but this is what I've heard,
58:50.3
including from progressive friends.
58:51.6
Hindi ito yung mga operators,
58:53.8
ito yung mga progressive friends.
58:54.9
Pero since ikaw operator,
58:56.0
ikaw ang tatulungin
58:56.7
kung ano nga alam mo dyan.
59:02.3
Ayan na naman tayo.
59:06.1
he's still a work in progress.
59:12.4
yung cup half full,
59:15.1
medyo hindi naman siya kulang.
59:16.8
Hindi naman siya kulang.
59:18.3
More full than empty,
59:22.4
where he's coming from.
59:24.0
At tinitignan ko rin,
59:25.0
sino ba yung kanyang makakalaban?
59:26.5
Kung ito yung kanyang makakalaban,
59:28.8
maraming mga tao na,
59:30.5
siya rin yung pupuntahan
59:32.3
kesa sa isang Duterte.
59:37.7
ibang black swan.
59:44.4
Na modernity, no?
59:53.7
Parang modernizing
59:58.4
medieval politics?
59:59.5
Nag-uusapan ni Leloy eh.
60:00.6
yung mga mag-uusapan
60:03.8
Max Weber ka kasi,
60:05.2
nagma-Max Weber ka
60:08.4
socialist ako eh.
60:10.4
Sige, sige, sige.
60:11.4
Tapos yung kaibigan mo,
60:12.3
nagbunan na socialist party.
60:14.2
ininbitan niyo ako.
60:16.7
socialist lang ako,
60:19.7
Pa-socialan lang.
60:22.4
modernity lang, no?
60:23.6
Ah, but I like it.
60:24.6
Medyo Max Weber-ish.
60:26.2
Hindi masyadong Hegel.
60:27.8
So, okay lang yan.
60:28.9
Thank you so much,
60:29.8
Sir Ronald Diawas.
60:30.6
Let's go to the last episode
60:32.1
ikaw ang nag-recommend yan.
60:37.8
but we're not talking about
60:40.1
or religious issues.
60:41.0
I think neither of us
60:41.8
are competent in that matter,
60:45.6
the West Philippine Sea issue.
60:47.5
you see religious groups
60:50.9
of West Philippine Sea
60:51.5
which is, of course,
60:52.2
close to our hearts.
60:53.0
Maraming salamat,
60:53.6
Secretary Ronald Diawas
60:54.3
for that fantastic discussion.
60:55.9
Baka matawag tayo
60:56.9
ni Tulfo Miglama.
60:58.6
Tulfo tayong dalawa.
61:00.5
Transition na tayo.
61:03.3
Okay, eto na last.
61:04.4
Let's keep it, ano.
61:08.1
Sir Ronald Diawas,
61:09.6
alam ko you're a very good person.
61:11.3
I know you're very, ano.
61:13.3
Speaking of good person,
61:14.8
speaking of makabayan,
61:16.1
patriotic person.
61:17.1
Tumashan, tumashan.
61:18.8
you're a UST person,
61:20.6
Sorry, UP lang kami,
61:30.1
ako, taga Baguio ako,
61:32.9
Raised with, you know,
61:33.9
all the Catholic values
61:36.9
culture shock talaga ako, eh.
61:39.5
Hindi, atinayo na lang ako,
61:40.6
sabi ko, culture shock.
61:42.1
No, speaking of this,
61:43.5
the Catholic Church hierarchy
61:45.2
in the Philippines
61:45.7
made a very, very
61:46.9
important intervention
61:49.1
the West Philippine Sea.
61:50.6
Did you see this coming?
61:52.5
What is your understanding
61:54.9
you know more than me
61:55.7
about the Catholic hierarchy
61:57.8
thinking and the logic
61:59.8
behind what they're doing.
62:02.8
I'm not surprised
62:03.5
because I saw the Pope,
62:06.7
making very interesting
62:08.1
progressive interventions
62:12.6
wars in the Middle East,
62:15.6
on the same-sex issues,
62:16.5
I know that's a little bit
62:17.1
controversial now
62:18.0
for a lot of folks.
62:20.0
the Catholic Church
62:20.5
in the Philippines
62:21.5
very important intervention
62:24.3
of West Philippine Sea.
62:25.6
What do you think about this?
62:34.8
kung dadaan ka sa EDSA,
62:35.9
may makikita kang
62:38.0
electronic billboards,
62:45.2
ng West Philippine Sea.
62:48.0
yung pinakamalaking
62:49.3
electronic billboards.
62:51.4
G.A. Tower yata yun.
62:57.5
for the first time,
63:00.3
advocating for support
63:02.7
to our frontliners
63:04.0
sa West Philippine Sea.
63:06.9
Christmas convoy.
63:08.6
First civilian convoy
63:10.0
going into a union.
63:12.6
kitang-kita mo sa media,
63:15.6
and another priest
63:21.6
People's Liberation Army Navy.
63:25.8
Dalawang battleships,
63:27.5
dalawang coast guard,
63:29.4
at napilitan silang bumalik.
63:31.9
Pero, nung umiikot sila,
63:33.6
nasa gitna sila ng misa.
63:35.9
a Christmas convoy
63:37.0
which was very religious,
63:41.3
a lot of bishops,
63:44.5
beyond Pichera Madre.
63:48.3
two weekends ago,
63:53.5
Catholic Bishops Conference.
63:56.4
isa sila pag-usapan diyan
64:02.2
naglabas yung walong bishops.
64:03.9
Right, right, right.
64:05.7
Archbishop Sok Miliegas,
64:10.3
naglabas sila ng statement.
64:12.2
Dalawa yung mahalagas
64:13.2
na statement na yan.
64:17.9
tatrabaho ng gobyerno
64:19.4
na supportan sila
64:20.0
yung ating mga frontliners,
64:21.9
especially yung mga fishermen
64:23.1
sa West Philippine Sea.
64:25.2
Pero yung ikalawa,
64:28.6
It is morally necessary
64:31.2
na humingi ng tulong
64:34.0
sa ating mga friends.
64:36.0
Aliado, alliances.
64:37.6
If diplomacy fails.
64:39.7
Na hindi lang siya
64:43.2
It is morally permissible
64:44.9
na humingi ng tulong.
64:47.4
inemphasize naman nila
64:50.0
pero humingi ng tulong
64:52.2
para protektahan yung atin.
64:55.5
very pregnant with
64:56.7
miling yung statement na yan.
64:58.7
At kung makikita ko
65:00.4
yung direction yan,
65:01.3
hindi yan dyan matitigil.
65:04.6
may ilang mga obispo,
65:06.1
gustong bumuha ng
65:08.8
sa mga churches nila.
65:18.1
Interesting, yeah.
65:19.1
Sa West Philippine,
65:20.0
is a very big Philippine issue
65:21.5
dito sa ating simbahan.
65:23.7
dito parating na Easter,
65:25.7
makakaroon naman ng
65:28.0
from Christmas convoy.
65:30.0
So, hindi ito lang tatapos ha,
65:32.0
itong convoy na ito.
65:34.0
Itong mga activities na ito
65:36.0
from civil society,
65:38.0
may bagong dynamic
65:42.0
Natingin ko ay hindi
65:46.0
Hindi lamang this year,
65:48.0
kung hindi even beyond.
65:50.0
mahalaga yung statement na yan.
65:52.0
Not only because ito yung una
65:54.0
na talagang naglabas ng statement
65:59.0
yung iniiwasan ng iba
66:01.0
o debate pa mismo
66:02.0
within the progressive movement,
66:05.0
na morally permissible
66:07.0
na humingi ng tulong
66:09.0
sa mga kaibigang bansa
66:11.0
na tutulungan tayong depensahan
66:13.0
ang ating West Philippine Sea
66:15.0
kung hindi nating kaya.
66:17.0
Kung nabasa mo yung letter.
66:20.0
let me say something
66:22.0
because you were part of the
66:23.0
Aquino administration.
66:24.0
You were his political advisor.
66:26.0
Alam mo naman, sa RH Bill issue,
66:28.0
medyo mahidwaan talaga
66:29.0
with the Catholic Church.
66:30.0
And I remember there were days na
66:37.0
by some of the folks in the church
66:39.0
because of her advocacy for RH Bill.
66:41.0
from the position of the church,
66:42.0
this was something immoral.
66:44.0
This was something, you know,
66:46.0
abhorrent, right?
66:48.0
And, well, eventually,
66:50.0
nanalo ang Estado
66:51.0
sa mga issue na yan.
66:52.0
And what we also see
66:53.0
over the past decade or so
66:54.0
is the rise of evangelist groups
66:56.0
for the lack of better term.
66:57.0
You know, all of these
66:58.0
different religious groups na may
67:03.0
daw may block voting power and all.
67:05.0
Is the Catholic Church still powerful?
67:08.0
Or you could say,
67:10.0
it may not be as powerful as before
67:12.0
but it's going through a transition process
67:14.0
accepting the new realities
67:17.0
as we see with Pope Francis
67:19.0
and adjusting accordingly.
67:20.0
I know for a fact
67:21.0
that there were a lot of people
67:23.0
sa ating simbahan
67:24.0
who had really profound moments of reflections
67:27.0
after 2022 elections.
67:29.0
Because I think the church
67:31.0
more or less was aligned
67:32.0
against both Digong
67:33.0
and to a certain degree,
67:34.0
I would say BBM also.
67:35.0
And yet, you know,
67:36.0
you saw the people voting
67:37.0
in certain directions.
67:38.0
So I think that also encouraged
67:39.0
some sort of soul-searching
67:41.0
just as Pope Francis
67:43.0
was also overseeing
67:44.0
some transformational paradigmatics
67:46.0
and paradigmatic discussions
67:49.0
or paradigm shifts
67:52.0
I'm saying this as an outsider
67:54.0
who's not familiar
67:55.0
with the internal
67:56.0
aspects of the catechistic debates
67:58.0
and discussions within the church.
68:01.0
I know you may not be necessarily
68:03.0
the most pious person
68:04.0
but you were a political advisor
68:06.0
You come from USD,
68:07.0
one of the oldest Catholic universities on earth
68:09.0
and oldest in Asia.
68:11.0
What is your take on that part?
68:12.0
Is this a kind of a
68:14.0
moment of transformation
68:15.0
and potentially could make
68:17.0
very influential again
68:20.0
as Cardinal Sin was perhaps
68:23.0
in determining the fate
68:24.0
of the Philippine Republic?
68:27.0
hinihiwalay ko yung influence ng church
68:29.0
at yung Catholic vote.
68:32.0
Definitely, for now,
68:34.0
ay walang Catholic vote.
68:36.0
Pero merong influence.
68:40.0
nung panahon ni Cory,
68:41.0
nung panahon ng EDSA,
68:43.0
nung anti-Marcos,
68:44.0
anti-Marcos struggle.
68:46.0
At nakita mo rin yan,
68:47.0
halimbawa yung unang firma.
68:50.0
nirevive nila yung lumang firma.
68:53.0
Pero yung lumang firma ni FBR
68:55.0
na supportado ni Cory,
68:57.0
ay hinarang ni Cory at saka ni Cardinal Sin.
68:60.0
So ibig sabihin na may influence
69:04.0
Lalo na dito sa mga mahalagang issue
69:07.0
Ibang usapin yung Catholic vote.
69:10.0
Dahil the church wasn't organized that way.
69:13.0
At wala pa akong nakitang effort to do that.
69:16.0
May kaunting mga political electoral discussions
69:20.0
sa mga laypeople of the church.
69:22.0
Pero wala akong nakitang move
69:24.0
para i-consolidate yung simbahan
69:26.0
para magkaroon ng Catholic vote.
69:28.0
At hindi ko yan nakikita in the future.
69:30.0
But the influence is another thing.
69:32.0
Halimbawa, dito sa EDSA celebration,
69:35.0
mukhang ididikit nila yung anti-Chacha message
69:38.0
together with the church.
69:39.0
Dito sa EDSA celebration sa 22 to 23,
69:45.0
Pero kung pa lang yan,
69:47.0
tingin ko hindi pa yan gano'ng kalaki
69:49.0
dahil nasisimula pa lang sila mag-scale up.
69:51.0
Kaya dito sa extrajudicial killings,
69:54.0
very strong yung influence yan ng church.
69:57.0
So even the Philippine church,
69:59.0
together with the Vatican,
70:02.0
ay parang merong transition.
70:04.0
Hindi ko sigurado saan pupunta.
70:06.0
Halimbawa, yung kanilang
70:08.0
yung kanilang pag-recognize,
70:10.0
mag-recognize sa LGBTQI
70:13.0
na dati ay hindi mo maiisip.
70:16.0
It's happening, yeah.
70:18.0
E medyo merong pa ngayon.
70:23.0
even within the Vatican.
70:25.0
At I'm almost sure,
70:27.0
even within the church dito, no?
70:30.0
Bagaman sometimes,
70:32.0
mas conservative pa yung Philippine church
70:37.0
Especially if you have someone like Pope Francis,
70:39.0
who comes from that liberation theology
70:41.0
almost perhaps world, right?
70:43.0
Pero kahit papano,
70:45.0
even by increments,
70:46.0
makakaabot din yung influence ng Vatican dito.
70:49.0
Lalo na, merong pang isang prefereti
70:52.0
or perhaps even two,
70:54.0
for the first time,
70:55.0
merong dalawang Pilipino
70:57.0
na nalilinya as prefereti or possible po.
71:01.0
Perhaps not only the first Pilipino po,
71:05.0
kundi the first Asian po.
71:07.0
Dahil nasa top three ng hierarchy,
71:10.0
si Cardinal Tagle, diba?
71:12.0
Kahit si Cardinal Sin hindi naman umabot ng ganyang kataas.
71:16.0
Kaya at kung pinag-uusapan natin kanina,
71:21.0
modernity, eh si Cardinal Tagle ay isang modern.
71:26.0
And very charismatic, yeah.
71:28.0
Hindi yan conservative in the old mode, no?
71:32.0
Kaya you might even call him progressive.
71:37.0
And kind of, you know,
71:40.0
he had to weather the Duterte attacks, you know?
71:43.0
He was in the Philippines during a very difficult time.
71:46.0
So hindi ito yung tao na madali lang umakyat.
71:48.0
This is a person who had to really overcome a lot.
71:50.0
So I'm sure that, you know, made him a steely...
71:52.0
Like Bishop Ambo.
71:54.0
The president of the CPCP ngayon.
71:56.0
Tinirete niya nga ni Digong, diba?
71:58.0
Yan yung kalo-local, eh.
71:59.0
Diyan lang nangyari yung marami sa extrajudicial killings.
72:02.0
Kaya tumindig yan.
72:03.0
At tinirete niya.
72:04.0
Ni-raid pa yung kanyang bahay.
72:06.0
Yung kanyang bahay sa kalo-local.
72:09.0
Yung kanyang diocese.
72:10.0
Yung head ng political affairs ni Digong pumunta roon
72:15.0
para kunin yung mga testigo sa pagpatay kay Kian de los Santos.
72:19.0
At kinasuhan pa si Senator Riza ng kidnapping.
72:22.0
Dahil hinuha niya yung mga kaibigan ni Kian na nag-testigo doon sa pagpatay.
72:28.0
So hindi yan mga...
72:30.0
Medyo na-define yan through struggle.
72:32.0
Hindi ito mga nagmimisa lamang.
72:35.0
Ito yung talagang tinirete ng isa sa pinaka-dangerous president sa ating kasaysayan.
72:45.0
Perhaps more dangerous than the old Marcos.
72:48.0
Dahil parang mas maraming allegedly pinapatay.
72:51.0
Pero they survive.
72:53.0
At hindi sila umatras.
72:55.0
Kaya ibig sabihin itong nangyayari ngayon na positionin nila sa West Philippine Sea
72:60.0
ay is not quite a leap.
73:03.0
Doon sa kanilang political advocacy at sa kanilang political narrative nung panahon ni Digo.
73:09.0
So it's a logical next step in a sense.
73:12.0
We're seeing the logical progression of what has been in the works for quite some time.
73:15.0
I like discussion.
73:16.0
Kasi lumalabas dito na hindi ka Marxista.
73:19.0
Kasi hindi na kayo ako nakausap sa mga Marxista.
73:22.0
Parang masyado naman kayo anti-religious and all of that.
73:24.0
Eh parang kulto din naman kayo mag-isip minsan.
73:28.0
Yung una kong training about Marxism.
73:32.0
Ay nagturo sa kakin mga Jesuit priests.
73:35.0
Led by Father Romeo in Tengan.
73:37.0
Yan yung hand ng mga Jesuits.
73:39.0
Ito yung liberation theology kind of thing right?
73:41.0
This is a very progressive.
73:42.0
Ito yung mga Tsula.
73:43.0
Pueblo sa Latin America.
73:46.0
Liberation theology.
73:47.0
Pero yung mga nag-train sa akin na mga Jesuita na hindi mo sasabihin na mga bobo.
73:57.0
Pero yung kilalang Marxist na ang kanyang doctorate, Marxism.
74:01.0
May kilala kong Jesuit priest.
74:03.0
Na yung pinag-aralan niya talaga maiki.
74:05.0
Doon sa seminar na yun.
74:07.0
Doon sa Menobaliches.
74:09.0
Nakalimutan ko na yung pangalan ng lugar.
74:12.0
Ay for two weeks, tinrain kami.
74:16.0
Yung fundamentals ng Marxism.
74:19.0
Dialectical and historical materialism.
74:22.0
So naghegal kayo.
74:23.0
The three basic laws.
74:25.0
The three basic laws of dialectical and historical materialism.
74:29.0
The struggle of opposites.
74:30.0
The change from quantitative to qualitative.
74:33.0
And the negation of the negation.
74:38.0
Tapos yung last two days.
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Durugin mo yung pinag-aralan mo.
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That's how these Jesuits.
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Bago mo kontrahin ang Marxism.
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Dapat kaya mong depensahan.
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Kaya mong ipaliwanan.
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Then later on, destroy it.
74:59.0
That's how you were trained before.
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So you transcend it.
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Kaya hindi ko nakakalimutan yun.
75:05.0
Itong dialectical and historical materialism.
75:08.0
Bakit di mo sinabi yan yung pinaka-first interview natin?
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I asked you about your background.
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Ngayon lumalabas na yung side na yan.
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You didn't say that.
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So dapat i-cut out ko ito.
75:19.0
Idagdag ko dun sa pinaka-first long conversation natin.
75:23.0
When we talk about yung pumunta ka sa Smoky Mountain.
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Yung process of radicalization mo.
75:28.0
So this is the part I didn't know about it.
75:31.0
In fairness, even with si Leloy.
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I know he's not, to put it mildly, a full-fledged pious man.
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But in fairness, when we talk about the progressive contribution of the church.
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Especially under the current leadership.
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He's very fair naman.
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And I appreciate also this.
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Kasi hindi ako komportable sa mga tao na anti-religious and everything like that.
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And sabay sila, may sarili silang mga kulto-kulto.
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I really appreciate this, Secretary Ronald Llamas.
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We have to have more discussions like this.
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Because I think we have to have more faith and strength.
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As we navigate these very difficult times in our country and also.
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Yung dati mo sinasabi.
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Balikan natin yung ating mga bayani.
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Yes. Maraming salamat.
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Thank you very much, Sir Ronald.
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Talk to you soon. Talk to you soon.
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God bless. Pasensya na.
76:24.0
Alam ko napahaba ka today.
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Kaya madal-dal ako para hindi ka mapagod.
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Kasi alam ko, antagal ang dal-dal niyo kanina eh.
76:29.0
Okay. Madal-dal ka naman talaga.
76:31.0
Pero madal-dal pa ako ngayon.
76:33.0
And I'm glad that maraming pa rin nanood sa atin.
76:35.0
More than a thousand people live have been watching us on different platforms.
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So medyo malaki-laki din yung views natin.
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And it's, well, exactly 11pm.
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So on that note, thank you very much, Secretary Ronald Llamas.
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And hope to catch you soon.
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Welcome back to the Philippines.
76:49.0
Welcome back to the salt mines.
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Tumarigat tos. Masaya.
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Have a good night.
76:56.0
Okay, guys. Thank you very much.
76:58.0
Maraming salamat.
76:59.0
Thank you so much sa lahat namang sumusuporta sa atin.
77:01.0
So much sa lahat namang nagsusubscribe sa atin.
77:04.0
Wow. More than a thousand live dito sa iba't-ibang platforms.
77:08.0
Oh. One plus na tayo.
77:10.0
So I really appreciate it.
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Akala ko nga wala din na kayo manood kasi meron na siyang kaninang analysis.
77:16.0
Ganyan talaga mga teacher. Diba?
77:18.0
Kung may gano'n, you ask, you think about different angles and approaches.
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And as I said, iba yung R&R. Diba?
77:24.0
We approach things differently.
77:26.0
I'm not interviewing him.
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Him interviewing.
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We're co-hosts in a way.
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So para sa kanya madaldal.
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And I hope you appreciated yung daldal natin.
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Thank you very much.
77:34.0
And talk to you soon.
77:35.0
And by the way, i-repost natin mga episodes na ito.
77:37.0
Naging five bigla sa iba't-ibang platforms.
77:40.0
So please follow us.
77:41.0
Libre lang yan sa YouTube.
77:43.0
Richard Hadar and Vlogs.
77:45.0
As I said, tinatarget natin makuha yung 100,000 subscribers para naman makuha natin yung verification.
77:50.0
And God willing, at least at Plake, among others.
77:52.0
And of course, dito sa TikTok.
77:53.0
Please, we also need as much followers as possible.
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Richard Hadar and 007.
77:57.0
Because I also need verification here.
77:59.0
Maganda talaga may check ka.
78:02.0
Salamat sa Diyos.
78:03.0
Medyo malaki yung following natin and everything like that.
78:05.0
So thank you for following us.
78:06.0
But please, don't also refuse to follow us on different platforms.
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Because we try to make things different.
78:12.0
And you see different dimensions of us.
78:15.0
Different pa-cute.
78:18.0
Different political analysis.
78:19.0
Different mga content.
78:20.0
So we make sure worth it if you follow us on different platforms.
78:23.0
On that note, thank you very much.
78:25.0
Manood na ako ng Asian Cup.
78:28.0
Sorry mga football fans.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
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Thank you very much guys.
