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Ang tanong lagi, kailangan ba talagang palitan yan o amyendahan at least?
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So, yun po yung pag-uusapan natin ngayon.
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If we look at the nitegrity of this latest push to amend the so-called economic provisions lang daw ng ating 1987 Constitution.
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So, I decided to invite an expert regarding this.
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Ang makakausap po natin ay dating Solicitor General ng ating bansa.
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He topped the bar in 1999 and he taught constitutional law for 20 years dyan po sa University of the Philippines.
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I'd like to welcome to our program again si former Solicitor General Florin Helvay.
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Magandang gabi, sir, and thank you for joining us again dito sa Facts First.
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Hi, Christian. Good evening. Good evening dito sa ating mga tagapakinig at sa mga nanonood ng Facts First.
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Again, nakalimutan ko nga pala, attorney. Siya rin po ang dean ng Silliman University College of Law.
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Alam ko hindi mo kailangan ng mga ganyang introduction pero wala lang.
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Gusto ko lang patahimikin yung mga trolls na paparating.
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Dahil very technical yung pag-uusapan natin dito.
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Para at least wala na mga tanong-tanong.
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Sino ba yung kinakausap mo tungkol sa Constitution?
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Pakigugal na lang po yung pangalan ni Attorney Florin Helvay. Okay ba?
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Okay. O, puntahan natin ito.
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Unang-unang, ano ba tingin mo rito sa latest push to amend the 1987 Constitution?
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Na kailangang pakailaman yung Constitution at this time?
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Okay. So, yung TLDR, di ba?
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In short, hindi naman talaga kailangan.
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It's a distraction.
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Almost amounts to gaslighting of the public.
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Yung atensyon ng bayan,
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nadidistract lang dun sa mga kailangan tutukan.
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If you're interested in how to improve the economy,
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kung paano paulog rin ang ating ekonomiya,
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siguro ang dapat tutukan is yung level ng corruption,
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competence ng mga public officials,
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yung bloated size of our government,
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and yung unmanageable debt.
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So, kung tututukan mo yun, I think you can improve the economy by tons and tons.
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Pero kung ang sasabihin mo na para ma-improve yung ating...
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bayan, kailangan nating ibenta or pamigay sa mga dayuhan
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dahil kailangan lang makapasok para makapag-business sila dito.
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Parang hindi ko makita yung connection.
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And if you want to go to the details mamaya,
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yung mga specific industries ng ating bansa na gusto lang tutukan,
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yung education, advertising, and then yung public utilities,
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kapag yan ay bigyan,
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pinuksan mo ba sa mga dayuhang mga ngalakal,
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sa mga foreign investment,
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will that necessarily result in economic development for the Philippines?
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So, kahit yun, malaking question.
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We can go there later if you want to go to the details.
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Sige, pumuntahan natin yan kasi nakasala ngayon yung resolution of both houses,
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number six ng Senado.
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So, tatlong industry at least yung gusto nilang buksan, di ba?
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Pero, inga, balikan natin ng konti.
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Yung history nitong push to amend or revise the Constitution,
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ano ba yung pagkakaiba ng latest push ngayon, yung nakikita natin,
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kumpara dun sa mga initiatives in the past, during the previous administrations?
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I think, meron nang ang industriya ng mga tao na nagtutulak ng constitutional amendments
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dahil from the time of President Ramos to ERAP to Gloria,
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even during the time of Pinoy, and then slightly different during the time of President Duterte,
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lagi namang may nagpupush ng chacha.
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And most of the time, ang tinutulak talagang lay yung sinasabi na masyadong restrictive itong ating saligang batas,
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hindi makapasok yung mga dayuan, kaya parang nakathrottle yung economic potential natin.
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Yun lagi yung sinasabi.
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it really boils down to the danger of opening up yung ating constitution to term limits.
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Dahil, simula pa nung 1935 constitution, yan na talaga yung naging problema.
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Kaya nga, when you decided to invite me, pumunta agad ako dun sa library ko at kinuha ko itong napaka-interesante yung libro.
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I think, mababasa ito nung makikita ng mga viewers natin.
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How democracy was lost.
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It's written by Augusto Cesar Espiritu.
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Essentially, a diary of the 1971 Constitutional Convention.
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And dun sa opening pa lang talaga nung diary niya, itong member ng CONCO na ito,
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makikita mo na yung problema talaga is yung chacha, or yung term extension.
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Takot talaga nung mga miyembro ng Constitutional Convention, even nung 1971,
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binubuksan lamang yung ating saligang batas para yung nasa taas, yung presidente,
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magkaroon ng oportunidad para ma-extend yung termino niya.
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So, ganyan din nung term ni President Ramos.
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The shift to a parliamentary form of government essentially lifts the term limit for the president.
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And they will do it during the first half.
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They will do it during the first half of the president's term habang malakas pa siya.
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Dahil pagkatapos ng midterm elections, usually yung mga senador na nagbabalak na tumakbo for vice president or the presidency,
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lumalabas na yung mga sungay nila.
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Alam nila na transition period na.
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So, in terms of timing, in terms of content, in terms of maybe motivation,
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it's always been about term limits.
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Kaya kung sasabihin ng mga tao, wait, parang conspiracy theory yan, no?
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Parang hindi mo naman talaga alam yung motivation nung mga nagpupush ng charter change.
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Well, if you look back at history, malinaw na paulit-ulit na yun talaga laging yung binabagsakan.
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And number two, given the nature of our history, also of our constitution,
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every time na susubukan,
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kung buksan yung ating saligang batas,
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you have to think of the worst possible motivation.
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You have to think of the worst possible motivation.
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And ang tanong lagi, what's in it for the ones pushing it?
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So, for the members of the House na pinupush,
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can they really honestly say na ito yung advocacy nila na ibenta yung bayan sa mga foreigners?
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Parang wala naman yatang maniniwala na ito yung kanilang plan or scheme for,
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you know, economic development for the nation.
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So, anyone who's looking at the situation, pwede nilang sabihin talaga na
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baka naman meron pa talagang ibang motivation for pushing this type of a proposal.
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Actually, a part of me wants to entertain.
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Siguro parang ano lang, mental exercise.
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Baka naman, siguro, in a way, benefit of the doubt.
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I-consider na iba itong pinupush nila.
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Yung lang naman, siguro, devils advocate for the devils.
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Kasi ito na example, no?
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So, historically pala, talagang laging ano, no?
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It's all about term limits.
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Kumaga parang excuse lang yan to open the constitution.
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Pero ngayon kasi, sinasabi nila,
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e very specific yung nakalagay sa resolution namin.
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And diba sinasabi nila, they don't even have to convene as a constituent assembly.
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Pwede siyang ipasa separately.
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Tinatawag na Father Joaquin Bernas model.
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What do you think of that?
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In theory, pwede naman talaga na honest-to-goodness na proposal yan.
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But you have to realize, the moment the machine starts moving,
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kahit ano, pwede na mangyari.
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So, punyari, balik tayo dun sa nangyari noong 1971, no?
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Akala noong mga nagsusulat ng constitution noong 1971,
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kayang ma-avoid yung question ng extension ng term limits noong presidente at the time.
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And then, suddenly, nagkaroon ng declaration of martial law.
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When martial law was declared, lahat ng pwedeng ipasok noong presidente, na ipasok niya na.
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Ganyan din, I think, yung potential na pwedeng mangyari dyan sa proposal to separately convene.
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Pwedeng may mangyari sa House, pwedeng may mangyari sa Senate.
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kailangan lang mag-convene together for a final proposal.
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So, yun, hindi mo na makokontrol yun.
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The moment they sit down together kung ano yung final proposal,
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parang yung bicameral conference committee for passing a regular legislation, no?
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Merong pwedeng ipasok.
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And that happens all the time, no?
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And na-question na yan several times sa Korte Suprema.
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And yung Korte Suprema, laging yung sinasabi na,
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well, pwede naman mag-insert, pwedeng magbawas.
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Kapag dati sa bicameral conference committee.
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And so, ang malamang na mangyari dyan,
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you know, they can talk about itong mga innocuous proposals to amend the Constitution.
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Yung education, advertising, public utility.
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Pero pagdating dun sa tunay na unsapan dun sa bicameral conference na, no?
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For the purpose of proposing amendments to the Constitution,
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pwede nang magbago yan.
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And kapag pumasok na yung...
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proposal to extend the term of anyone, no?
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The president, vice president, or kung sino man,
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mahirap nang mahinto yan.
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And that's always the danger.
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Dahil, again, we need to go back to yung basic structure of our Constitution, no?
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Yung ating Constitution is fixed.
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Ibig sabihin, by design, dapat siya mahirap talagang mabago.
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That's why yung amendment or revision process,
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it's designed to be equally difficult, no?
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Kailangan mo nga ng supermajority, na three-fourths,
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and then dapat sila magkahiwalay na nagtatrabaho
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dahil it's a bicameral...
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Oh, hiwalay na buboto dahil it's a bicameral system.
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So that was really meant to make it as difficult as possible
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for those in power to amend the Constitution.
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Pangalawa, and I'd like to emphasize this,
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you know, the best time to amend the Constitution
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is really during some kind of a special moment, no?
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So, in Constitution law, ito yung tinatawag namin na constitutional moment, no?
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Parang yung mga nagliligawan, parang kailangan tayo magkaroon ng moment
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para maisip natin yung talagang gusto nating baguhin sa ating Constitution.
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The prime example of this would be the 1986 People Power, diba?
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Noong 1986, nagkaroon tayo na...
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ng revolution, and one of the acts of the revolutionary government
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was precisely to repudiate the 1973 Constitution.
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And that was a constitutional moment for the Philippines
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because under a revolutionary system,
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makakatutok talaga yung mga tao doon sa gusto nilang bagong sistema ng pamamahala,
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bagong sistema ng gobyerno.
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So, kung ganun yung sistema, you're under what we call a constitutional moment,
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a situation where yung mga tao, naka-focus yung attention nila doon sa nangyayari doon sa sitwasyon,
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wala kang question about motives.
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Kasi kaya kang nga nagkaroon ng revolution, nagkaroon ka ng end sa revolution,
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ay dahil gusto mong baguhin yung sistema.
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But, otherwise peaceful yung ating sitwasyon,
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and yung proposal hindi manggagaling doon sa mga mamamayan,
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nanggagaling doon sa mga may kapangyarihan,
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natural, dapat yung mga tao, tumas yung kila nila,
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and sabihin na, well, hindi ba pwede na you just try to govern properly?
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Hindi ba pwede na ibaba na natin yung level ng corruption?
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Hindi ba pwede na galingan na lang muna natin yung pamamalakan ng bayan?
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Hindi ba pwede na bawasan nyo muna yung level ng corruption?
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Hindi ba pwede na bawasan nyo muna yung pamamalakan ng bayan?
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Maybe yun yung talagang magpapaunlad sa ating bayan, di ba?
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And that's the right attitude.
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Natatawa ko rin sa mga hinihingi mo, Atty. Hilbay, no?
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Kaso yung sasagot sa'yo ng trapo, hindi. Paritan ng konstitusyon.
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And kung yun yung sagot, ang retort ko is, lalo kong hindi papayag sa chacha.
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Dahil kung yung mga reasonable yung hinihingi ko, hindi nyo maibigay sa akin,
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which is good governance, honesty and transparency in government,
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prudence in the way the money of the people is spent, and smaller government,
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something that's more reasonable para naman yung inflation bumaba, para hindi tayo masyado bumutang.
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Kung yung mga nasa kapangyarihan nyo ngayon, hindi nyo ibibigay sa mga mamamayan.
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Lalo kung isasara yung pintuan dyan sa chacha na yan.
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Ang dami kong gustong itanong doon sa nilatag nyo.
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Sige, isa-isahin natin.
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So yung sinasabi nyo na historically, it's all about term limits or lifting term limits.
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Historically, doon sa mga nagtatangka na paritan o baguhin yung ating konstitusyon.
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Pero daw yung sinasabi nyo na, ano yan, yan yung plenary powers ng ating mga legislators
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o kaya members ng Constitutional Convention, kung sakaling bigyan natin sila ng karapatan to tinker with the Constitution.
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That definitely is expected sa isang CON-AS at saka sa isang CON-CON.
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Pero dito sa paraan na pinapropose nila, and this was not the first time that they proposed this, no?
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Pinropose ito in previous Congresses.
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Yung bang subukang palitan yung ilang provisyon ng Constitution, amendment, na parang nagpapasalang ng ordinaryong batas.
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Sinabi nyo nga kanina, pagsabay ka, anything goes na yan, no?
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So ibig sabihin, hindi pa rin assurance itong tinatawag nilang Father Bernas model.
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Na magiging specific lang yung amendment.
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Kumaga pwede rin pasukan ng mga masasamang intensyon, ganun ba yun?
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Pwedeng garapalin?
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Kasi nga, yung by-canon nature of our system, merong proposal yung House, merong proposal yung Senate.
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Let's assume na identical yung proposal.
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Identical yung proposal and then nagkaroon ng proseso para ipasa ng House, ng Senate.
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Separately yung proposal to specifically amend, no?
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But because it's still a CONAS and under the Constitution, kailangan mo ng two Houses working together.
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At some point, they will have to meet.
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And the moment they meet, and one of the members of the House or one of the members of the Senate decide na,
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oh, iisingit natin tong term extension for the President.
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Can anybody control that? No citizen can control that.
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Kasi the power to make the proposal is purely within the domain of the proposing entity.
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Ang pag nangyari yun, ang matitira na lang dyan, labanan dun sa ratification.
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And, you know, magaling sa ratification, laging lugi yung mga tao kasi yung mga may interest na mag-amenda ng ating Constitution,
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normally, they're the ones in power.
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So, pwede lang gawin yung ginawa nung 1970.
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Na nagkaroon ng maraming magic dun sa ratification.
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So, kailangan nating seryosohin yung proseso na talagang walang makakapasok na masamang intensyon.
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And there is no guarantee talaga na magiging airtight yung entire process na yun.
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Kasi kahit na malinaw yung pinropose dun sa House, malinaw yung pinropose dun sa Senate,
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once they join forces together and they discuss kung ano ba yung gagawin,
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because they are a constituent assembly, kahit ano, pwede naman nilang ipropose.
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So, nakakatakot. So, ibig sabihin, hindi ba mag-a-apply dyan?
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Sorry for this very naive question. Magpapanggap lang ako na hindi ko alam yung sagot dito.
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Hindi ba tayo pwede mag-rely dun sa decency ng ating mga kongresista o kaya baka senador?
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Kasi hindi ba napakagarapal naman nun?
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Gunwari, wala sa original proposal tapos bigla mo isisingit.
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Lift the term limits, let's say, for the president or vice president o kaya sa kanila mismo.
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Di ba merong ano, parang unwritten expectation dyan na kung magpapasa ka ng batas
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o magpapalit ka ng konstitusyon, yung mga gumawa nun hindi dapat makinabang dun. Di ba?
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Normally, ipapasok mo sa transitory provision na yung mga pagbabago mag-a-apply sa susunod.
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Pero hindi siya written in stone. Di ba? Tama ba?
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It's not written in stone. Kaya, you know, normally ang magandang magsulat ng mga bagong provisions sa konstitusyon,
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hindi yung mga makikinabang. Di ba?
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Or hindi yung mga may potential conflict of interest.
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Pero kung yung mga magsusulat ng saligang batas or maglalagay ng mga revisions or amendments to the konstitusyon
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are those who are potential beneficiaries or beholden to the ultimate beneficiaries
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then you have a problem. Kasi walang airtight procedure para talaga ma-ensure na under a con-ass
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yung gusto nilang mangyari ngayon ay hindi bababango.
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Kung meron tayo yung tinatawag na initiative to amend the konstitusyon. Di ba?
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Kung yun talaga na very specific, yung pagbobotohan manggagaling dun sa baba,
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yung 12% of registered voters and 3% ng bawat distrito,
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yung hinahain, malinaw na talaga. And hindi na pwedeng maghuhi. Di ba?
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Yun pwede pa na kung ang gusto nila is simply to amend the economic provisions.
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But yun nga, kung isipin mo yung proseso na yun, sinong loko-loko yung magiging advocacy niya para sa ikaw unlad yung bayan?
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Eh yung ibenta, yung pribilehyo ng mga pagbobotohan.
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Wala namang mga Pilipino. Wala namang siraulong gagawa naman.
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So it's always something else. Di ba?
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Kaya sasabi na economic provisions, pinapain lang yan para maglaway yung mga Pilipino na naghihirap.
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Oo nga naman, talaga yata naghihirap tayo dahil parang sinasakal yung ating saligang batas.
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But ultimately, it has to be something else which is something that will benefit the proponent or who's behind the proponent.
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Naalala ko talaga yung Atty. Hilbert.
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Di ba yung ano eh, hindi nilagal ko na dinig mo rin itong kwento na ito.
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Joke to eh, no? Yung parabang come on na hindi dito ako pumunta, maganda rito.
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Di ba sabi ng demonyo? Maganda rito. Di ba?
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All the food that you want, the best resort. Di ba?
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All the pleasure in the world that you can imagine.
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Tapos umuon naman siya. Pagdating doon sa loob, apo yung inabutan niya.
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Eh ba't ka pumayag? I'm the devil. Di ba? Naalala mo yung ganyang kwento?
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Parang may paggaganyan ba yan? Kumbaga lahat ng come on babanggitin sa'yo.
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Pero pagpasok mo,
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doon na magkakaalaman yung tunay na intensyon. Is that what you're saying?
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Come on lang yung economic?
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Well, what I'm saying is you have to assume na kung may possibility
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na hindi airtight yung proseso na mape-prevent yung potential na pag-insert ng term limits
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or some other provisions of the Constitution na hindi pinag-uusapan ngayon,
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mangyayari yun. You have to assume that that's going to happen.
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Kasi kung talagang seryoso,
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na yung economic provisions lang.
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Then, ipasa muna nila yung isang batas,
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which is a law that enacts yung provision ng ating Constitution for initiative. Di ba?
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Kasi nga, sabi ng Constitution, sabi ng ating Corte Suprema na
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there is no law that enables yung that particular provision of the Constitution.
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Okay, sige. Di ipasa nila.
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Yes. So, yung PI, ma-enable na talaga.
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Kung meron mga mamamayan na yung talaga yung advocacy nila,
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yung ibenta yung ating privilege sa mga dayuan.
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Okay, sige. They create a process through an enabling law.
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So, kung meron talagang PI na procedure, then makikita mo talaga ito ba yung pinopropose.
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Yan lang yung pinopropose na amendment nila.
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And therefore, yan lang yung pwedeng pag-usapan.
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Kasi yung People's Initiative is only an amendment and it has to be very specific.
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And dadaan yan dun sa mga distrito, dadaan yan dun sa COMELEC.
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So, talagang isa lang yung pagbabotohan.
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Gusto nyo bang buksan yung economic provisions with respect to this particular part of the Constitution?
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Then, that's what I would consider an airtight na provision.
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Walang possibility na may mai-insert.
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Kasi talagang isa lang. Isang topic lang.
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That's right. So, since the administration has good control over the House
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and every administration under the Constitution will have control over the House
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dahil dun sa dynamics ng budget natin,
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then kung talagang honest to goodness na proposal to amend ang gusto nila, yun na lang yung gawin.
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Magpasa ng batas. Enabling yung People's Initiative.
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And then, yung mga supporters na yan, kuno, na gusto talaga nilang i-push yung opening up
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ng economic provisions ng ating Constitution sa mga dayuhan, then let's do that.
24:51.9
Let's wait a while para airtight talaga. Otherwise, hindi ako maniniwala na honest to goodness yung proposal.
24:58.9
Okay. Ito naman. Assuming na meron talagang enabling law na sapat, no?
25:04.7
Yung pagbubog, itsura, pati yung nakalatag na paraan para isagawa yung People's Initiative.
25:11.7
Sabi niyo kasi hindi sapat, no? I suppose you were referring to the Supreme Court decisions regarding that, no?
25:16.7
Isang Diago versus Comelec?
25:18.7
And Lambino versus Comelec. Okay.
25:20.7
So, assuming lang na meron na tayong enabling law para isagawa itong People's Initiative,
25:25.7
eh kasi yung nakalatag ngayon sa pakanaan nilang People's Initiative,
25:30.7
diba ang sinasabi?
25:32.5
Bumoto jointly ang mga miyembro ng Senado at ng House of Representatives.
25:39.5
Ang una kong tanong, revision ba yun o amendment? Okay? Yan.
25:46.5
Well, dun sa voting jointly, I think malinaw na they should vote separately.
25:54.5
Number one, if you look at the structure of our Constitution, it's a bicameral na Congress, no?
26:01.3
Nung sinusulat nila yung 1987 Constitution nung 1986, yung original na design was a unicameral body.
26:10.3
But at the end of the day, nagkaroon sila ng mainit na discussion and they decided na,
26:17.3
no, we need to have a bicameral system of Congress.
26:21.3
Ang naiwan lang is yung lingwahe nung revisions or amendments provisions article of our Constitution.
26:30.1
So, that's one, no? Malinaw na yung design ng ating Constitution na dapat hiwalay sila.
26:35.1
Pangalawa, again, balik ako dun sa first principle na we have a fixed Constitution.
26:41.1
Yung design ng ating Constitution ay talagang dapat mahirap yung pag-amyenda or pag-remisa ng ating Constitution.
26:49.1
Now, if you're going to make the House and the Senate vote jointly, eh pinadali mo.
26:55.1
So that's contrary to the philosophy or the design, again, of our Constitution.
27:00.1
So, dapat talaga sila na hiwalay.
27:03.1
Pero yung nga, pwede bang yun ang maging topic ng People's Initiative na gusto nga nilang paritan in the first place?
27:11.1
Dahil merong hindi raw malinaw, debatable sa kanila yan, whether to vote jointly or separately.
27:17.1
Doon sa sinusulong na P.I. ngayon, dapat bumoto kayo jointly.
27:22.1
Makukonsider ba yun? Makukonsider ba yun na amendment or revision?
27:28.9
Yeah, it's weird. Pero imagine yung the amount of effort, national attention, and money that you will have to spend
27:36.9
para i-tweak lang yung particular provision ng Constitution na yun.
27:42.9
Again, babalik ka doon sa motivation ng mga nagpo-push na parang mga lasing lang yata kayo na sinasayang niyang attention ng mga mamamayan para dyan sa ganyang type, tipo ng proposal.
27:57.7
Number one yung expense.
27:59.7
You will have to spend billions for that kind of an amendment to the Constitution na napaka-babaw kung iisipin mo.
28:09.7
So how many billions of pesos do you have to spend?
28:13.7
And then yung national attention.
28:15.7
So imagine na napakaraming problema ng bayan, napakataas ng inflation, matindi yung traffic, hirap na hirap yung mga mamamayan.
28:25.5
So hindi na ubusin mo yung attention ng bayan para sabihin na, no, no, we want to revise the Constitution para voting jointly instead of separately.
28:33.5
So I don't think anyone will want to engage those types of people in that kind of a debate in the first place.
28:42.5
Correct. Kasi kung gusto mong palitan o amendahan, di ba? Ang PI pang amendment lang e. Kung gusto mong mga amendahan, e di-diretso yun muna kung ano yung provision na gusto mo. Tama ba?
28:51.5
Exactly. Exactly.
28:53.3
So back to the motive. Sino ba yung nagpapondo dito sa mga tao nito na parang ang dami nilang oras para ubusin yung attention ng mamamayan, di ba?
29:03.3
And who's giving them the attention in the first place? Kasi, you know, kapag ganyan ka-weird, no, ganyan ka-strange yung mga tipo ng proposal, you have to assume that they're being funded by someone else, no, para talagang gumalaw ng ganyan.
29:21.3
Correct. At saka hindi ko ma-imagine, no.
29:23.3
Not to judge naman our ordinary Filipinos, pero top of mind concern ba yan ng ordinary Pilipino na hindi, kung may paparitan ako sa konstitusyon, e gusto ko bumoto iisa ang dalawang kapalungan ng Kongreso. I mean, sa dami nang pwede mo maisap, di ba? Kung ano ba yan, top of mind ng isang ordinary Pilipino. I mean, it's very, you know, very weird.
29:47.3
Yeah, that's right. No, so, like, yun nga, yung, you know, we've spent a lot of time about debates.
29:53.3
We've been debating about the West Philippine Sea and every now and then, some people will say, you know, hindi naman nakakain yung issue ng West Philippine Sea. But still, you would say na napaka-importante na issue yan na dapat pa rin ma-discuss at the national and local level. Pero itong tipo ng proposal na to, no, a proposal to amend the Constitution para hiwalay or jointly magboto yung House and yung Senate in case of an amendment or revision to the Constitution.
30:23.3
You know, pakilandong mo talaga, ginagaslight lang yung mga tao.
30:27.3
Oo nga eh. Ito nga pala, may tanong, no? Although nabanggit na natin ito in previous episodes, pero ito maganda, manggaling sa inyo, no?
30:34.1
Again, ibibida ko lang si attorney, ano, Florin Helvay.
30:37.9
Bartop, Natcharian, 1999.
30:40.8
Alam ko, awkward sa iyon, ha?
30:43.0
But indulge me, okay?
30:44.9
Taught constitutional law for 20 years, former Soljen, and now the dean of the Silliman University College of Law.
30:51.8
May tanong si Joy.
30:53.3
Ano ba yung difference ng amendment at revision ng Constitution?
30:57.3
Sige, para sa mga hindi pamalinaw.
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Yung, kumbaga, in broad strokes, yung pagka, ang pinagkaiba ng amendment at revision,
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yung amendment is very specific na pagpapalit ng isang provision or artikulo ng ating saligang batas.
31:19.6
Yung revision is an overhaul.
31:23.3
Yung ating saligang batas mismo.
31:26.1
Merong debate kung yung isang amendment ban, napaka-importante, would amount to a revision.
31:32.4
But that's an academic discussion, no?
31:36.2
Usually, kapag sinabi mo na pag-amyenda, ito nga yung very specific katulad nung bubuksan ba natin yung ating saligang batas sa foreign ownership
31:46.8
when it comes to public utilities or ownership of land.
31:53.3
Siguro, pwede mong sabihin na amendment kasi it's very targeted and very specific.
31:58.8
But yung revision ay pwedeng pag-repasa.
32:02.6
Kaya nga, it's best handled by a constitutional convention or by a constituent assembly.
32:09.7
Kasi pwede silang umupo at tingnan nila yung ating saligang batas, yung 1987 Constitution,
32:16.1
at itanong ano ba yung mga magandang proviso dito na pwede nating palitan.
32:20.9
So, that would amount to a revision.
32:23.3
A revision of the constitution.
32:25.3
Kung baga sa isang sasakyan, an amendment would be papaltan mo yung gulong.
32:33.1
A revision would be papaltan mo yung buong makina.
32:36.8
Kasi that changes the nature of the car.
32:39.5
At example, kunwari, gustong tanggalin yung term limits para sa mga membro ng mababang kapulungan.
32:48.0
Kunwari lang, instead of three years for three terms, kasi let's say gawing five years,
32:55.1
Is that an amendment or a revision?
32:59.9
Definitely, that's an amendment to the constitution.
33:02.6
Kasi nga, it's a very targeted alteration of our constitution.
33:08.8
Wala ka ng ibang dapat isipin pa.
33:11.5
Yun lang yung pag-isipan ng mga mamamayan.
33:14.2
We have a very verbose and worthy and lengthy constitution.
33:19.4
But kung ang proposal is,
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tanggalin yung term limits,
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sa mga membro ng ating kongreso,
33:26.4
then yun yung madaling isipin ng mga tao na yun lang yung issue,
33:30.8
yun lang yung a-amend natin.
33:33.4
Pero example, kunwari, gustong palitan na yung forma ng pamahalaan
33:37.4
from presidential gawin ng parliamentary.
33:42.6
Revision na ba yan?
33:44.7
That would be a revision kasi that changes the entire structure of the constitution
33:49.1
and maraming ibang mapapalitan kung yun yung babaguhin.
33:53.3
Kasi hindi siya yung parang nagpalit ka lang ng brand, ng gulong.
34:01.0
Binapalitan mo yung buong makina ng ating pamahalaan, ng ating gobyerno.
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Ito, ano lang, gusto lang kitang asa rin.
34:10.2
Pero kunwari, may nag-propose,
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bago maging senador o presidente ang isang kandidato,
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dapat ganito, kunwari lang, discussion lang,
34:21.0
ganito kataas ang IQ.
34:23.3
Dapat walang, ano, para maiwasan yung mga payaso na nai-elect, no?
34:29.6
Yung mga ganun balet sa pinakailaman yung requirements.
34:33.0
Although hindi naman syempre mangyayari yan because that's undemocratic.
34:35.9
Pero yung ganung idea, that's an amendment.
34:40.1
Yeah, that's an amendment.
34:42.3
Pero ilong, sabihin ko lang dyan, maraming ang mga matatalino,
34:47.1
kaya nilang magpakapayaso pa kesa dun sa mga medyo may kakulangan, diba?
34:53.3
At magnanakaw din.
34:55.3
Yung mga highly credentialed public officials na may gustong mangyari,
35:02.0
they're willing to make clowns out of themselves para lang talaga ma-push yung kanilang ambisyon.
35:09.0
So, walang-walang kinalaman sa IQ yung pagiging payaso.
35:12.9
It's really the intention.
35:16.6
Kaya nga, diba nakalagay, yun yung minimum requirement sa Constitution, no?
35:20.9
Hindi mo pwedeng sabihin na dapat college graduate,
35:23.1
dapat may PhD, dapat lawyer.
35:26.5
Kasi hindi naman siya assurance sa matinuka, eh, no?
35:28.6
Wala namang para actually to ensure na tama yung karakter na naelek, eh, diba?
35:34.2
Yeah, that's right.
35:35.0
And yun nga, yung philosophy ng ating Constitution ay
35:39.1
let's leave it up to the people to decide yung qualification and yung karakter.
35:46.4
Kung gusto nila na yung mga may credentials yung iboto, then it's up to them.
35:53.1
Tapuntahan natin yung pinaproposed na amendments
35:57.2
dun sa specific economic provisions ng ating 1987 Constitution, no?
36:02.7
Ang argument kasi rito ay unang-una,
36:06.9
restrictive daw yung ating Constitution pagdating sa pagpasok ng foreign direct investments.
36:12.6
Unang-una, totoo ba yun? Okay?
36:14.8
Tapos pangalawa, pake-explain.
36:16.8
Kasi mahirap sundan to sa mga ordinaryong hindi maalam sa batas, no?
36:22.2
Dito kasi sa Resolution of Both Houses No. 6, hindi naman ini-specify na ron kung ano yung, ano eh,
36:28.4
gano'ng kalaki yung ibubukas sa isang industriya, diba?
36:32.0
Nakalagay lang doon, unless otherwise.
36:35.2
As may be provided by.
36:37.7
Ito yung exact words. As may be provided by law, diba?
36:41.4
So ano ba, yung una-muna.
36:44.4
Ayan, unless otherwise provided by law.
36:46.6
Ano ba ibig sabihin nun pag isiningit yun sa mga provision ng ating economic provisions?
36:52.2
Ah, yung ating sa Aligan Batas kasi ngayon, ah, as designed, ay matatawag mong, ah, nationalist, in certain parts, especially doon sa economic provisions, no?
37:03.4
So meron na requirement na 60-40 yung ownership.
37:08.3
Ah, meron din restriction doon sa membership sa board, diba?
37:13.6
Ah, meron nga, kailangan 100% pa yung iba.
37:16.7
So, yun yung tinatawag natin na nationalist provisions sa ating...
37:22.2
...constitution when it comes to ownership of land, ah, educational institutions, advertising, public utility.
37:31.1
Yun yung, kumbaga, parang, ah, parang call, no?
37:40.8
Parang call nung ating mga, ah, framers of the 1987 constitution na, okay, kailangan ilimitan natin itong mga industriya na ito.
37:51.4
Now, every now and then, no, ah, you have these proposals from, ah, certain sectors na, no, no, kaya tayo nahihirapan dahil dyan, no?
38:02.1
So, let's focus on yung mga proposals today, diba?
38:08.1
Ah, education, advertising, diba?
38:11.2
And public utility.
38:14.2
So, unang-una, education.
38:15.8
So, kapag ba binukas mo sa foreign ownership yung education, uunlag talaga.
38:22.8
Ah, medyo nakakagulat sa akin yung proposal na yan dahil unang-una, I think education is shifting online, diba?
38:31.5
Especially with artificial intelligence.
38:34.2
So, universities will have a very difficult time surviving in the next few decades dahil yung kabataan ngayon,
38:42.1
kaya nilang matutu sa YouTube or through the internet, especially with artificial intelligence.
38:51.4
Yung mga natututunan na pwedeng matutunan through the internet or through automated, no?
38:58.7
I-automate through artificial intelligence.
39:01.1
So, I cannot see how opening yung educational sector to foreign ownership will promote economic development.
39:09.5
Ah, pangalawa, if you want quality education, actually, nabuksa na to international, ah, naging global na yung education because of the internet.
39:22.1
So, unless talagang skills-based yung kailangan mo, you really don't need, you know, ah, international presence dito sa Philippines.
39:31.2
Ah, so, that's one, no?
39:32.8
Yung educational institution.
39:34.2
Hindi ko siya makita na foreign ownership of educational institutions being a pathway to economic development.
39:41.4
Hindi ko talaga siya makita.
39:42.0
Hindi ba ano yan?
39:42.9
Hindi ba ang argument naman nila dyan, resources?
39:45.6
Mas makakapagbuhos ng resources kung bubuksan sa foreign ownership?
39:51.4
Ah, about that argument.
39:53.8
How much resources do you need for education?
39:56.2
Education is getting cheaper and cheaper because of the internet.
40:00.6
Ah, yung role ng technology is to make information more accessible.
40:05.6
So, you can go to Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford, marami silang mga free courses.
40:12.1
And, ah, you will find it very difficult, in fact, to look for, what?
40:19.6
An area of knowledge na hindi mo makikita.
40:21.4
Sa internet today.
40:23.3
Ah, in the next few years, yung role ng mga teachers will be, what?
40:29.1
Ah, will be lowered and lowered, might even be marginalized.
40:32.5
Dahil, kung yung mga estudyante, kaya nilang matuto sa YouTube and there are so many people teaching everybody on YouTube with free content,
40:41.6
then, ano pa yung role ng university except for yung purely social interaction?
40:48.4
So, yun na lang yung matitira sa mga universities.
40:51.4
Hindi ko makita na some big universities or foreign investors are investing heavily in the education sector here in the Philippines.
41:00.3
Except, if they want to acquire land.
41:02.8
So, baka naman yun talaga yung motivation.
41:05.6
Kasi, yung isa sa pinaka-importanting asset ng mga university dito sa Pilipinas ay yung lupa.
41:11.8
Because they have tax exemption.
41:14.1
So, is that the motive?
41:16.3
Kung yun yung motive, then, it's an illicit.
41:18.4
It's an illicit motive to acquire land.
41:21.4
Land through the educational sector.
41:24.3
So, hindi ko siya makita na makakatulong sa ating ekonomiya.
41:31.5
Pagdahan natin yun sa public services.
41:33.6
Hindi pa ba sapat yung pag-amenda rin sa Public Service Act?
41:37.6
Kailangan pa ba buksan yung industriya?
41:41.3
I think this was mentioned by former CJ Davide.
41:45.8
Sa totoo lang, yung ating ekonomiya ay bukas na sa...
41:51.4
sa mga karaming investor.
41:53.4
So, kung bukas na bukas na rin naman yung ating ekonomiya sa mga foreign investor.
41:59.4
In fact, may mga ibang mga aburado.
42:02.4
They specialize in allowing foreign investors to come in.
42:10.4
You know, through legal means but rather shady procedures.
42:15.4
Nagagawa naman nila dito yan.
42:19.4
So, hindi ko rin makita.
42:20.4
So, hindi ko rin makita.
42:21.4
So, hindi ko rin makita na to what level mo kailangang buksan yung ating ekonomiya sa mga foreign investors
42:28.4
para masabi na dahil doon sa pagbubukas ng ating ekonomiya sa foreign investors na buksan talaga.
42:34.4
So, kailangan po mabigyan ng specific types of industries na gusto nilang buksan
42:40.4
para talagang mapag-aralan ng mga Pilipino.
42:43.4
Kailangan ba talagang buksan yung mga sektor na yan?
42:46.4
At kung mabuksan yung mga sektor na yan, to what extent will it redound?
42:50.4
To the benefit of ordinary Filipinos.
42:53.4
Kasi kung yung modelo is kung mas maraming investment dito unlad yung bayan,
42:58.4
hindi ako naniniwala na automatic siya talaga.
43:01.4
Kasi whatever profits these foreigners make, pwede naman nilang kunin agad at ibalik doon sa kanilang pinanggalingan.
43:12.4
So, hindi siya ganun malinaw yung connection na just by opening up different sectors of the country
43:19.4
to foreign investment ay uunlad agad tayo.
43:23.4
Yung binabanggit pa ba namin yung mga abogadong specializing in making it legal, ito ba yung dummies?
43:31.4
I don't want to focus doon sa practice ng ibang mga abogado pero diba,
43:37.4
nagagawa naman nila talaga yung ganyan and there are ways to allow foreign investors to invest
43:44.4
here in the Philippines na
43:49.4
That makes it basically legal for these entities to engage in business here.
43:57.8
Sorry, alagyan natin ng very concrete example.
44:01.0
Kunwari yung energy distribution, tsaka transmission.
44:07.2
Diba so far on yan, 40% pa rin, no?
44:10.1
Ano ba yung danger pag pinayagan mo, 100% foreign ownership, yung mga industriya na yan?
44:16.0
Well, you know, yung mga industriya na yan are called critical infrastructure.
44:21.8
Critical infrastructure.
44:24.0
Kung kayang makontrol ng mga foreigners yung iyong critical infrastructure,
44:30.3
then your national security is compromised, your economic development is compromised,
44:36.9
hawakan nila sa leeg.
44:38.7
So kahit na medyo masakit sa puso mo,
44:45.3
na nililimita sa mga malalaking businessman na Pilipino yung ganyang types ng critical infrastructure,
44:51.1
at least nandito sila, they're within your jurisdiction,
44:55.6
and because they're Filipinos, the theory is they have concern
45:02.3
dahil grounded yung kanilang presence dito sa ating bayan.
45:06.1
But the moment na inopen mo sa foreign ownership yung critical infrastructure,
45:11.3
then you create, potentially, so many problems.
45:15.3
And for example, diba, we talk about yung potential control ng China doon sa grid ng Pilipinas,
45:25.2
na pwede nila tayong i-shut down, and they can use that as leverage kapag nagkaroon ng problema,
45:31.0
say, over the West Philippine Sea, or over illegal immigration ng Chinese.
45:37.2
Yun talaga yung pinaprotektahan mo doon.
45:39.9
So ang policy decision dyan basically is, and I think a lot of countries also,
45:45.3
do that, we want to make sure na it's nationally, it's controlled by Filipinos,
45:52.0
yung mga certain types of infrastructure industries na tinatawag natin na critical infrastructure.
46:00.4
Ayun sa proposal sa RBH No. 6, I think kasama rito yung advertising, no?
46:06.8
Ano bang ano yan? Meron ba necessity yan to actually look into that?
46:13.2
Balik ka doon sa basic na...
46:15.3
na proposal when it comes to changing the constitution.
46:18.8
Are you seriously telling me that the pathway to economic development is by having foreigners, right,
46:26.1
investing fully in the advertising industry?
46:29.4
Hindi ko makita na ganun kalaki yung advertising industry na impact para ma-iangat, no,
46:36.0
yung buhay ng mga ordinaryong mamamuhay.
46:40.8
Number two, if you are going to focus on the advertising industry,
46:44.3
you have to realize,
46:45.3
it shifted away from franchise-held corporations to platforms, diba?
46:52.9
So, sino yung may control ng advertising today?
46:57.9
Twitter, YouTube, Facebook.
47:01.5
There are global companies, right?
47:03.8
There are global companies na have global presence and are able to advertise because of their control over data.
47:15.3
yung advertising industry, hindi naman siya ganun kalaki talaga dito sa Pilipinas
47:20.7
para magkaroon ng impact doon sa economic development natin.
47:25.9
So, again, no, balik ka doon sa proposal na...
47:29.3
Kung meron akong kausap, kunyari, ikaw, Christian, yung may proposal na yan.
47:34.5
Ang tatanong ko lang naman sa iyo,
47:36.3
gusto mong baguhin yung ating saligang batas dahil ang paniniwala mo ay
47:42.6
kapag pumasok yung mga dayunan,
47:45.3
yung yukan sa advertising industry ay uunlad ang bayan natin,
47:50.2
parang hindi ko talaga makita, no?
47:51.7
Babalik ako doon sa paulit-ulit kong sinasabi,
47:55.0
kung gusto mong uunlad ang bayan natin,
47:56.8
siguro dapat mabawasan yung korupsyon,
47:59.8
mas magaling yung mga politiko,
48:02.0
mas maliit yung gobyerno,
48:03.5
mas mababa yung utang.
48:04.9
Kasi yun, that's within the control of our national leaders, diba?
48:10.0
And they can do that without having to change the constitution.
48:15.3
ang isa kong nga rin iniisip, no?
48:17.7
Yung mga mamumuhunan ba na dayuhan,
48:20.5
isa ba yan sa mga iniisip nila, top of mind nila?
48:23.6
Gusto ko sana mas mag-invest pa,
48:25.3
kaso yung constitution nyo napaka-restrictive eh.
48:28.6
Una ba yan sa kanilang re-request?
48:30.1
I don't know whether that's the case.
48:33.3
Well, in case of land ownership,
48:37.3
obviously that will make a difference, diba?
48:40.0
Kung ikaw yung foreign investor,
48:41.9
you want to invest in, what?
48:56.3
imbis na nagre-rent lang ako ng lupa,
48:58.6
or kumukuha lang ako ng lease,
49:00.0
bilhin lang ako ng isang gundok.
49:01.8
And if you have full ownership over
49:04.3
certain parcels of land,
49:08.0
then you have greater control.
49:14.7
if I'm a foreigner,
49:16.9
I would prefer na,
49:19.2
when it comes to residential lots,
49:21.6
imbis na gumagamit ako ng dummy,
49:23.8
na yung nagkahanap ng girlfriend or boyfriend kunyari,
49:27.5
para yun yung bibili,
49:28.8
ako yung may-ari ng beachfront property,
49:31.4
eh, ako na mismo yung bibili ng beachfront property.
49:34.6
But we all know naman,
49:35.7
lalo na yung mga abugado dyan,
49:37.4
na yun yung nangyayari,
49:39.7
na in many beautiful places in our country,
49:44.0
yung mga dummy na yung may-ari,
49:45.9
and nag-operate talaga yung mga foreigner.
49:50.6
I really just cannot see that as a pathway
49:53.7
to the type of transformative economic development
49:57.8
na pinapangako nito mga nag-proposal.
50:02.5
merong ibang motive,
50:03.6
kaya yan yung sinusulong.
50:05.5
ang dalig sabihin na
50:07.3
kaya kayo mahirap eh,
50:10.7
masyadong restrictive yung inyong,
50:15.9
that's a nice line
50:19.6
sa mga Pilipinong hindi nakakaintindi ng sitwasyon.
50:24.1
Baka naman mapaisip yung
50:25.7
minimum wage earner na uha,
50:27.9
kaya siguro minimum wage lang ako na
50:29.6
400, 500, 600 per day.
50:32.1
Dahil hindi makapasok yung mga dayuhan.
50:36.6
analyze yung proposal,
50:39.4
hindi ko naman talaga maisip na
50:41.5
pag-open up ng education,
50:44.7
advertising industry,
50:46.3
and public utility
50:47.4
will be a pathway to a
50:49.0
transformative economic development.
50:51.6
So, kasi hindi lang ito yung
50:58.7
Ang pinapangako dito ay
51:00.4
hindi umuulad yung bayan nyo
51:04.2
masyadong restrictive yung inyong saligang batas.
51:08.3
So, sa tingin ko kapag
51:09.9
timutukan mo yung proposal,
51:12.1
parang may disconnect dun sa
51:13.4
pangako dun sa sinasabi nila.
51:17.7
Alino ng paliwanag nyo.
51:19.0
Atty. Florin Hilbay, maraming salamat
51:21.4
for joining us. Pero,
51:23.2
before we end, magbabasa lang ako ilang mga
51:25.2
comments about you.
51:27.5
Number one, sabi ni
51:29.4
Cage, ganda ng topic pero
51:31.4
grabe yung distraction dulot ng trooper
51:33.3
helmet sa background.
51:39.0
Okay naman basahin ko ito,
51:43.4
Baka raw sinabi kay Sen. Padilla,
51:47.4
toucher ka lang daw pero siya judge ng
51:49.4
Pilipinas Got Talent.
51:55.4
Ano ba mga pinagkakabalahan mo ngayon
51:57.4
Atty. Hilbay, bukod sa
51:59.4
sa pagtuturo at pagiging dekano
52:01.4
ng Silliman College of Law?
52:05.4
pinagkakabalahan mo pa?
52:07.4
Well, actually, alam mo naman ito,
52:09.4
Christian. I'm very interested in
52:11.4
the monetary policy.
52:15.4
we are at a stage
52:17.4
where people all over
52:19.4
the world are starting to see the problem
52:21.4
with a broken monetary system.
52:25.4
broken monetary system where it's
52:27.4
the dollar in particular,
52:35.4
nasa dulo na siya nung
52:39.4
Because currencies are dying
52:41.4
at a faster and faster rate.
52:45.4
tao, hindi lang Pilipino,
52:47.4
maraming mga tao, hindi lang
52:49.4
nakikita yung relasyon ng
52:51.4
broken monetary system
52:53.4
doon sa inflation, for example.
52:59.4
a lot of people who can explain
53:01.4
to the public why
53:03.4
a broken monetary system is affecting
53:07.4
Makita mo, for example,
53:09.4
sa YouTube and sa TikTok,
53:11.4
maraming mga tao, even in the US
53:13.4
and Canada, mga professionals
53:15.4
complaining about
53:17.4
how they're not able to cope
53:21.4
Kung bakit napakamahal
53:25.4
Even here, dito sa Pilipinas,
53:29.4
yung level ng inflation.
53:33.4
really is to put my energy
53:35.4
into telling people na
53:37.4
isa to lang meron ng solution
53:39.4
sa ganyang problema.
53:41.4
So I'm going to experience in this century
53:43.4
something very transformative.
53:45.4
So I'm very interested in technology.
53:49.4
dito sa 21st century,
53:51.4
dalawang technology yung magbabago sa buhay
53:53.4
ng lahat ng tao all over the world.
53:57.4
artificial intelligence.
53:59.4
That's easy to understand kasi
54:01.4
app lang naman yan.
54:03.4
The second one is
54:05.4
a new monetary network.
54:07.4
So I've written a book on it.
54:11.4
Monetary Network.
54:13.4
99% of humanity doesn't understand it yet.
54:15.4
But I think within the next
54:17.4
10-20 years, more and more
54:19.4
people will understand why
54:21.4
a system that cannot be
54:23.4
manipulated, a monetary system
54:25.4
that cannot be manipulated
54:27.4
will be good for humanity.
54:31.4
May libro si Atty. Hilbay dyan.
54:33.4
Very easy to understand.
54:35.4
And in the future, let's devote
54:37.4
one episode explaining that.
54:39.4
Kasi nga, ika nga, we're now in the fifth
54:41.4
industrial revolution, pero
54:43.4
sa dami ng pagbabago sa technology,
54:47.4
Yung most disruptive and transformative,
54:51.4
the Bitcoin monetary system. Tama ba?
54:53.4
Yeah. In fact, I think kung wala
54:55.4
ng major technology na mangyari
54:57.4
ngayon, those two technological
54:59.4
developments will be more than enough
55:01.4
to disrupt the way we live
55:03.4
in the 21st century
55:07.4
Okay. O sige, i-invite kita ulit
55:09.4
Torny Hilbay to talk about that.
55:11.4
In the meantime, maraming maraming salamat sa'yo.
55:13.4
It's very nice to see you again.
55:15.4
Dean. Chlorine Hilbay.
55:17.4
Maraming salamat.
55:19.4
Salamat, Christian, and congratulations.
55:21.4
I really like your platform,
55:23.4
your independence, and
55:25.4
your ability to stick
55:27.4
to your journalistic principles.
55:31.4
Salamat, sir. Salamat.
55:33.4
Saludo at saka dyan sa mga troopers
55:35.4
sa likod mo. Maraming salamat.
55:37.4
Kailangan natin ang mga troopers.
55:43.4
Yan pa si Atty. Chlorine Hilbay.
55:45.4
Nakasama po natin.
55:47.4
Maraming maraming salamat sa kanya.
55:49.4
Ganda ng paliwanag yan. Sana mas may
55:51.4
natutunan po kayo regarding dito sa
55:53.4
issue ng pagbabago
55:55.4
sa ating Constitution. And
55:57.4
again, as I always say, this is a very
55:59.4
important opportunity
56:01.4
for all of us to learn more about the issue.
56:03.4
So, I hope dito sa
56:05.4
pagtatapos itong episode,
56:07.4
mas may napulot kayong
56:09.4
karagdagang kaalaman dito sa
56:11.4
ating pinag-uusapan na issue.
56:13.4
Dahil hindi pa po tapos siya.
56:15.4
Hindi po matatapos ang issue ng
56:17.4
pagtutulak sa pagbabago
56:19.4
o pag-amyanda sa ating saligang matas
56:21.4
ngayong araw. So dahil tuloy-tuloy
56:23.4
pa rin po yung efforts, especially
56:25.4
coming from the House of Representatives.
56:27.4
For instance, last week meron ako nakausap
56:29.4
ng isang kongresista
56:31.4
and sinasabi nila, hindi, tuloy na tuloy kami.
56:33.4
Diba? Nasa kalagitan
56:37.4
bakbakan sa pagitan ng
56:39.4
House at saka ng Senado.
56:41.4
Tuloy yan sinasabi ni Atty. Hilbay.
56:45.4
natin dito yung motibo.
56:47.4
Ano ba talaga yung motibo
56:49.4
ng mga nagtutulak ng pagbabago
56:51.4
sa ating konstitusyon?
56:53.4
And it's very important to invest our efforts
56:55.4
to really understand
56:57.4
what these people in power
56:59.4
are trying to achieve. Kasi
57:01.4
hindi po natin pagtsatsagaan
57:03.4
yan, ikat tayo po yung kawawa.
57:05.4
Diba? Kawawa po yung
57:07.4
ordinaryong Pilipino. Kaya nga po
57:09.4
sinatsagaan natin dito sa Facts First
57:11.4
yung pagpapaliwanag ng mga basic issues na yan.
57:13.4
Okay? So I hope nakakatulong po.
57:15.4
In the meantime, meron po tayo
57:17.4
lang mga babatiin ngayong gabi.
57:19.4
I'd like to greet si
57:23.4
Ma'am Teresita Sampaga.
57:25.4
Nag-message po siya sa akin sa Facebook.
57:27.4
Sabi niya, avid fan
57:29.4
daw po siya. Tapos shoutout na naman po
57:31.4
dahil birthday po niya last
57:35.4
years old na po si Ma'am Teresita.
57:37.4
Yan, maraming salamat po sa pagsuporta.
57:39.4
Okay, maraming maraming
57:41.4
salamat po. Shoutout din
57:43.4
kay Mark Pagtalunan.
57:45.4
Ayan, maraming salamat sa'yo.
57:49.4
Lumbero, facts over feelings talaga.
57:51.4
Yan po yung bago nating
57:53.4
t-shirt eh. Facts over feelings.
57:57.4
Wala po ibang konteksto yan.
57:59.4
Actually, ang konteksto nung naisip ko yung
58:01.4
facts over feelings na yan, ang iniisip ko
58:07.4
magpipili ng kandidato
58:09.4
sa isang eleksyon dito sa Pilipinas,
58:13.4
nadadala sa emotion eh. Of course,
58:15.4
it's an emotional decision pero
58:17.4
lagyan naman natin ng konting
58:19.4
utak at mas isipin natin ng
58:21.4
konti yung mga facts.
58:23.4
Kasi kunwari, kung talagang
58:25.4
established fact na magnanakaw ang isang
58:33.4
sa atin sa isang kampanya,
58:35.4
eh, baka dapat papag-isip
58:37.4
man lang tayo ng konti, no?
58:39.4
Makakabuti ba sa akin to
58:41.4
in the long run? Alam ko it's a very complicated
58:43.4
proposition. It's a very complicated
58:45.4
question, especially kung
58:47.4
ang pinag-uusapan po natin yung
58:49.4
immediate needs ng mga botante.
58:51.4
Pero that's the very reason
58:53.4
why certain politicians
58:55.4
run for public office and they
58:57.4
prefer to keep people
58:59.4
uninformed, uneducated, and poor
59:01.4
para habang buhay po
59:03.4
tayo nakaasa sa kanila.
59:05.4
Kung ano yung ipapamudmud
59:07.4
sa atin. When in fact, yung
59:09.4
sistema po dapat ay maayos na
59:11.4
para hindi na natin kailangan manghingi
59:13.4
o pumila sa mga politiko
59:15.4
para sa simpleng gamot,
59:17.4
pagpapagamot, tulong pinensyal,
59:19.4
pagpapalibing, diba?
59:21.4
Yan po yung isang kongkretong
59:23.4
example, no? Huwag na po tayong
59:25.4
lumayo. Puntahan nyo po yung mga barangay
59:27.4
nyo kung saan man kayo nakatira.
59:29.4
Anong town, city,
59:31.4
or province, kung nasan man
59:33.4
kayo, no? Tingnan nyo ba?
59:35.4
Yung mga local governments nyo, nagbibigay sa inyo
59:37.4
ng local, nang naman, ng servisyo.
59:39.4
Sapat na servisyo. Kunwari kailangan nyo
59:41.4
ng tulong medical.
59:45.4
pumunta sa maayos na ospital
59:47.4
o health center? O kinakailangan
59:49.4
nyo pa bang kumatok sa pintuan
59:51.4
ng mayor, doon sa
59:53.4
pintuan ng kongresista, o even
59:55.4
senador para humingi ng referral letter
59:57.4
sa isang ospital?
60:01.4
diretso na kayo sa ospital?
60:03.4
Dahil nangangailangan kayo,
60:05.4
matutulungan kayo. Hindi nyo na kailangang
60:09.4
o magmano sa mga politiko.
60:11.4
Kasi yun po yung tinatawag na patronage.
60:13.4
And before you know it,
60:15.4
nalilibig na po tayo, o nababao na tayo
60:17.4
sa utang na loob doon sa mga politiko.
60:19.4
Well, in fact, yung binibigay naman nila sa mga mahihirap,
60:21.4
galing din naman sa atin
60:25.4
Pero bakit sila yung bida? Yun po yung ano,
60:27.4
gusto ko ipaliwanag sa inyo. Yun po
60:29.4
yung isang malalim na konteksto
60:31.4
nung mensahe sa t-shirt
60:33.4
na Facts Over Feelings.
60:35.4
Malalim po yung hugot nun. Hindi lang po siya
60:37.4
basta-basta slogan.
60:41.4
Damins Francisco, shoutout sa mga
60:43.4
taga-erosine. Sorsogon.
60:45.4
Ayan. Maraming salamat.
60:47.4
Si Tessie, Ma'am Tessie, maraming salamat
60:53.4
Rose Williams, maraming maraming salamat po.
60:55.4
Si Marian Reyes, maraming
60:59.4
Ayan. O, sige po.
61:01.4
Yun naman, ano, happy
61:03.4
weekend. Teka, medyo humihina na internet
61:05.4
ko. Ayan ah, bumabalik.
61:09.4
Doon po sa mga nagme-message sa akin
61:11.4
dyan po sa Sydney. Kita-kita po tayo
61:21.4
first week of March,
61:23.4
mapapadpad po tayo sa Singapore.
61:25.4
So baka makasalubong po natin yung ilang
61:27.4
mga kababayan po natin dyan
61:29.4
sa Singapore. So kita-kita po
61:31.4
tayo kung sakasakali. Okay.
61:33.4
So maraming salamat po sa inyo. And
61:37.4
restful weekend. Ganda gabi po.
61:59.4
Thank you for watching!
