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Okay sir, I know first time mo lang magbigay na analysis dito sa time.

Joke lang.

Hindi, ito, ito, ito.

Pag-usapan natin ito.

So, ito na naman.

Yung favorite podcaster mo na si Harry Roque.

Meron siyang sinabi dito na hindi na daw siya makakatulog.

Wait lang, kailangan ko maglagay ng mga harleka shades.

Hindi daw siya makakatulog.

Naiinsomnia daw siya.

Dahil tumawag daw si Tatay Digong sa kanya.

Si Method is the Madness Digong.

Na ano daw?

Ito na yung warrant of arrest.

It's coming all of that.

Ano ba daw?

Again, going back to the previous episode.

Is this their way of creating noise para i-preempt nila yung potential political disaster?

Or maybe there's still something going on.

Because I would have expected Sonny Trillianes to come out strong

if indeed there's this almost confirmation na the warrant of arrest is a matter of time.

And then in relation to that, itong accusation niya na the security services are already moving.

They're essentially.

They're actually making sure na the devout security establishment

will be quote-unquote nationalized, right?

Na it will not act in behalf of Digong.

It will act in behalf of the state of the Philippines

should the Philippine government cooperate with ICC down the road.

Una yung hindi makatulog si ex-human rights lawyer.

Pag-usapan natin yan. Medyo maabang usapan.

Yun muna.

Kung masyado ka kasing maraming kinain ang mga prinsipyo mo,

hindi lang indigestion ang tatama sa'yo.

Hindi lang loose bowel movement.

Hindi lang maiihi ka sa salwal mo.

Talagang tatamaan ka rin ng insomnia.

Kaya tanggalin na muna natin yung hindi pagtutulog ni Harry Roque.

Dahil daw dito.

Tingin ko mas malalim yung dahilan doon.

Mas malalim yung dahilan.

Ikalawa, talaga namang tingin ko hindi tatanggalin ng gobyerno yung task force da BAU.

Hindi niya tatanggalin.

Pero okay lang naman.

Nabaguhin yung mga tao.

Dahil talaga naman ginagawa yun.

Hindi naman yun abnormal.

Hindi naman yun abnormal na gawain.

Tingin ko yung timeline na sinasabi ni Senator Sanitarianes

na middle of the year,

mangyayari yung implementation ng internal.

Baka yun pa rin.

Yung timeline nitong ICC.

At yung sinasabi nila na,

parating na.

Anytime, ay kukuni na.

Eh, baka hindi yun.

Hindi yun yung mangyayari.

But that's my question.

Why would they do that?

How does that serve their political purpose?

To create this panic mode?

Hindi ba naging mukhang mahina sila?

Naging mukhang kabado sila?

Naging mukhang vulnerable sila?

Or, what I'm saying,

they're creating drama to get sympathy

and to threaten chaos, mga ganun.

To edge yan eh.

Una, to prepare your own base.

Lalo na yung base ni Kubuloy.

Na, oh, handa ba kayong kumilos?

Kung sakaling darating yan?

Magmamobilize ba kayo ng isang milyon?

Sa Dabao?

To surround the president?

Sa gulag mong ginawa kay ERAP dati?

Eventually, nangyari yung EDSA 3.

Handa ba kayo?

Pero, katulad ng sinabi mo,

pwede rin niyang mag-create ng confusion

at saka fear sa iyong sariling base.

Kaya, two-edged yan eh.

Two-edged sword yan eh.

Na, pwedeng, pwedeng,

paghahanda para sa iyong base,

pwede rin pagtakot sa sarili mong base.

Kaya, dapat linawin nila,

ano ba talaga kanilang purpose dito?

Hindi ko naman sila isa-second guess.

Pero, I'm almost sure,

sa sarili nila hindi rin malinaw.

O hindi pa malinaw.

So, the method is the madness pa rin.

I mean, sa bulk.

Halimbawa, sinubukan nilang dalhin yung Dabao Rally

sa...

sa Manila, dito sa Liwasang Bonifacio,

ang dumalo, isang platitong man eh.

No?

So, medyo napahiya sila, di ba?

So, susubukan naman nila ulit.

Ito naman, anti-chacha rally.

Hindi na pro-Sara rally,

anti-chacha rally na.

Gagawin na naman nila within the month.

So, tignan natin kung magagawa ba talaga nila

yung plano nila na hindi lang Dabao

sila kaya mag-mobilize,

kung hindi mismo rito.

Pero, mismo kasi sa Dabao,

ang target nila, 50,000 eh.

Hindi naman sila lumampas ng 8,000 eh.

No?

Doon sa rally nila.

No?

Eh, base na nila yan.

Diba naka-8,000 ba sila?

Akala ko 200 lang nandun.

Kaya may mga empty chairs pa, di ba?

Noong nagpapataklakan sila.

Kaya di ka,

tapos na yung show,

yung muuwi na yung mga tao.

Usually kasi yan,

labas-masok yan eh,

yung rally.

May darating, may aalis,

may darating, aalis.

Sabi daw ng mga polis,

16,000.

No?

Sabi ng mga tao ko ro'n,

5,000 lang eh.

No?

Binigyan ko na nga ng kaunting slack.

Binigyan ko na ng kaunting alawan.

O sige,

gawin na natin 7 to 8.

Pero yung mga nandun,

ng mga nanood,

ng mga kasama ko,

eh sabi nila,

wala pang lima.

No?

Wala pang limang tao.

Kasi yung,

pita ko,

empty yung chair.

Yung pumapalang tao sa kanya.

Yung inahamon-ahamon niya na si Digong

at tumatawag siya sa AFP

and all of that.

Mayroon yung focus naman sa kanya lang,

hindi naman sa crowd eh.

Mayroon yung ano,

nag-ano siya,

parang pinapakita yung crowd.

Tapos may mga empty chair pa yata

or something like that.

Basta alam mo yung mga barangay events na patapos na,

umuwi na yung mga tao,

nagbabayad sa likod.

Puta na sa bayad.

Tsaka ubus na yung mga spaghetti,

tsaka sandwich,

tsaka yung fried chicken.

Uwi na yun.

Alam mo na.

Nag-shadow na,

nag-shadow na na.

Kumuha na ng maraming food packs.

Iuwi na sa kanilang pamilya.

Kaya nga,

ang point ko dito,

is this a political harakiri?

In a sense that,

he's just,

accelerating the demise of his political capital.

If not worse by,

itong sabog na mixed messaging,

panic mode,

hindi panic mode.

Kasi,

if there were supposed to be rallying effect,

matagal na sinasabi ni Harry R.

na kakawawayin si Digong.

Si Digong nagwala na.

Pero sabi mo nga,

ilang libo lang dumating at max,

di ba?

Pinagbigyan mo pa ngayon number nila.

Bati yung SD card,

isama natin.

Baka wala pong 8,000 yan, di ba?

Yung problema sa mga,

problema sa mga taong ito.

They tend to believe their own legend, di ba?

They tend to believe their own propaganda.

Anong sabi ni,

ni Satan,

doon sa Devil's Advocate?

Hubris is my favorite sin.

No?

Eh, pulong-pulong sila ng hubris eh.

Al Pacino ba to?

Oo, Al Pacino.

Pulong-pulong sila ng hubris eh.

No?

Na,

ganito sila,

ganito sila kagaling,

ganito sila kalakas,

until ma-realize nila,

too late na.

Mukhang nandun sila sa transition na yan eh.

Na-realize nila,

na medyo,

teka, teka,

hindi na pala tayo ganun kalakas.

Hindi na pala tayo ganun ka-powerful, no?

Eh,

kaunting,

kaunting chismis lang

tungkol sa

Davao Task Force,

eh, nagpanik na.

Di ba?

Todo panik na kagad, no?

Kala ko ba ang tatapang nila?

Kala ko ba sobra silang believe sa sarili?

No?

Marit-test lang na konti eh.

Nagsabi kasi wala nang confidential.

Wala akong sinasabi.

Wala akong sinasabi.

Biglang nagpanik na eh, no?

Wag naman masyado magpanik.

No?

There's a,

no?

Pwede pa naman silang tanggapin sa China eh.

Pero, yun nga eh,

tatanggapin ba sila ng China?

I don't think China likes losers.

I'm just saying.

China wouldn't be China

kung tumataya lang sila forever sa mga losers.

I'm just telling.

I'm just saying.

I'm just saying.

Ikaw,

kasi,

going back to the Harikiri question,

hindi dahil galing ako sa Japan

or kagaling lang natin sa Japan

or gusto ko manood ng Shogun,

hindi.

Ito kasi,

you know,

for me,

it was quite telling

na Secretary Anyo,

National Security Advisor,

who was his DLG Secretary,

who was the FB Chief of Staff

during his time,

comes out so strong

and saying,

we'll use force

to crush any threat

to territorial integrity.

Of course,

this is in response to the

Mindanao Secession

and National Tatay.

You have Galvez,

Secretary Galvez,

Presidential Peace Advisor

under Digong

and also now,

also coming out very strong

and speaking out against

any incitement to rebellion

or civil war.

Seditious.

I think this is the key term,

seditious insinuations,

if not worse.

And then,

yung pinipiling

Defense Secretary ni Digong

na hindi siya pinili,

si Gibo,

ng ngayon,

Defense Secretary,

also came out very strong.

So,

it looks like all the big boys,

the defense guys,

secretary guys,

security guys,

people,

generals that serve under Digong even

or close with Digong

back in the day,

yung mga tahimig dati na,

ano,

they're all coming out

very strongly against him

right now.

So,

for me,

it's like he's accelerating

the,

the,

the disintegration

ng kanyang political capital

or whatever is left of that,

right?

Kaya nga sabi ko,

parang may pagkaharikin niya.

So,

in this episode,

I'm completely contradicting

what I was saying

in the previous episode,

diba?

In the previous episode,

I said,

there could be a,

sabi nga ni Fitzgerald,

diba,

the sign of wisdom

is having two contradictory ideas

at the same time

and still keeping safe,

right?

So,

let me show you

the Fitzgerald 10.

At the same time,

and,

and this is where maybe

I'm more agree with you is,

baka nga,

this is like a

violent,

violent lashes of,

ano,

diba,

sabog,

ano,

ex-king,

diba?

So,

is it a King Lear situation

we're seeing right now?

May pagka Shakespearean tragedy

na ba ito?

Are we gonna go

Shakespearean na ba?

Ako naman,

mix yung reaction ko

dito sa mga statements

ni Gibo,

ni Año,

ni Galvez,

no,

et cetera.

Dahil,

in one sense,

no,

sinusupalpal nila si Digong,

no,

at pinapakita nila

na hindi ito mangyayari,

diba?

Yun yung sinasabi

nila.

Pero in another sense,

parang siniseryoso nila

yung isang,

yung isang,

ah,

threat

na tingin ko ay,

ah,

walang basis

from the very start,

no?

Ah,

ako hindi ko siniseryoso

dahil,

mismo nga sa Dabao eh,

even by increment,

sumihina na siya,

Mindanao pa,

no?

Sabi ko nga doon

sa nakarang episode,

hindi na makukuha

ang Southern Mindanao,

South Cote,

ang, ah,

Jensen,

ang Sarangani,

hindi niya makukuha

ang North Cote,

ang Cotabato,

ang Cotabato City,

ang Barm,

hindi niya makukuha

ang Misamis,

no?

Ang Basulta,

hindi ko na alam

kung anong kanyang kausap.

Yung,

siguro,

yung kanyang, ah,

ex, ah,

ex, ah,

speaker,

si,

si,

Pantalion,

Alvarez,

no?

Na, ah,

ngayon,

nagbati-bati na sila uli,

pero too late

para magbati

dahil wala nyo namang hatak

si Pantalion Alvarez

ngayon sa buong Mindanao.

Di ba,

Lenny ang,

ang,

ang,

sa Biyernes.

Magsasabay kami sa Biyernes

sa,

ah,

Rappler,

no?

Eh,

siguro,

magiging,

ah,

mabait ako.

Doon sa,

doon sa,

paano,

ah,

kaya in one sense,

mix yung reaction ko

dahil part of me,

no,

ay gustong supal pa rin

si Digong,

pero part of me,

e,

dead ma muna.

Dahil wala naman siyang capacity,

eh,

no?

Baka nga,

dahil sinasagot siya

ng, ah,

Gibo,

ng Anyo,

ng Galvez,

baka magmukha pa siyang

importante.

Na,

yun naman yung tingin ko

isa sa kanyang purpose.

Na magmukha siyang

threat.

Yeah.

Magmukha siyang threat.

Iron.

Nagka-iron siya.

Magmukha siyang,

ah,

formidable,

no?

Ah,

natingin ko hindi na.

Natingin ko hindi na.

So,

nagkikreate siya ng ganong

klaseng mantra.

Kaya wag nang,

wag nang pagbigyan.

Well,

I would say,

Ronald,

I would say,

Ronald,

ah,

and really,

I agree with you.

I think may sinabi siya,

like,

if I were the one,

hindi ko papatulad.

Medyo politically

sophisticated yun.

Very.

So,

I would say he's the

Machiavelli of the Philippines.

I mean,

that guy is,

grabe,

the ultimate survival.

Oh,

by the way,

100 years old na yun,

no?

Malapit na,

malapit na yung birthday

ni Ronald C.

Anong-anong yun?

Di amateur yun.

Exactly.

Talaga.

Anong masasalang panaban

sa political chess?

Yes.

That guy is,

in fairness to him,

he's quite something.

I mean,

I've been with 90 years old

types of people.

99 si Kissinger,

90, 60.

100.

But I would say,

this 99.9 guy,

medyo ibang level

tanin siya eh.

Pride of the Philippines.

No,

but my pushback

against

the big R,

the real big R

and really

big

Mang Johnny

is that

the reason

I understand

Anyo and

Gibo and Galvez

and all these

generals or security guys

coming out

is because

yung mga

rumors na

military,

yung sinabi ni Bronner noon.

Bakit ba yung audience nila?

Oo,

exactly.

So I'm explaining to you

where they're coming from.

Hindi ko sinabi na

nakausap ko sila.

Hindi ko sinabi na

I can understand that.

I can understand that.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Ako yung audience ko

yung tao eh.

Na baka

masyado mong binibigay

ng importansya

yung

wakabu

walang kwentang

secession na ito.

Davao Republic.

No, but

ako,

I think it's that.

I think it's really

because of that.

Na they have to really

shut it down.

There's no

traction whatsoever

sa security.

I think

kasi the moment na

wala na yan,

wala na.

Hopeless ka na.

The politikos are already

with the administration.

The military immediately

put a wall there.

So,

China,

I don't know about China,

good luck na lang dyan.

You know,

they don't like losing horses.

Let's just put it that way.

So,

that's what I'm saying.

ang sinasabi mong Ronald,

hindi na siya do 30,

do zero na siya

or do one.

Kasi may

pantal yun.

May do one na siya.

Hindi na siya do 30.

Kaya,

tsaka pinapalibutan niya

yung

sa kanilin niya

ng mga kapwa niya losers.

Katulad ni

former speaker,

katulad ni

former executive secretary,

di ba?

Katulad ni

ex-human rights,

former human rights

lawyer,

yung mga ganyan.

O,

ganyan na.

Ang sinabi sa akin

ni Robin Hood Padilla,

itong si

kulang sa pansin,

itong si Lausna,

kaya hindi ako

sumasama sa mga

presscon eh.

Yung naging relevant ka.

Baka yung kasama ko

sa presscon,

ganoon ang sabihin sa kanila.

But,

ba't kasama mo itong

mga losers,

na ito, no?

Eh, yun ang kasama

kayo ni D.G.O.G.

sa mga presscon niya eh.

Perfect transition yan.

So, next episode,

bago natin pag-usapan

si

idol Rafi Tulfo.

Yan,

shoutout dyan.

Pag-usapan natin

yung paborito mo,

yung ginawa kang relevant.

Mat,

natuwa ka nga eh

nung pinatulog ka ni Robin Hood,

naging relevant ka

ng big time.

Oo nga.

Tawag sa'yo,

Ronald

Baby

Aldens,

ano.

Okay na ako sa

Jason Statham.

Baby,

Baby Boy,

ito,

Ronald Bebe Boy

Alden Llamas,

yan.

Yan ang,

ano mo,

okay na ako sa

Jason Statham,

no?

Medyo malapit-lapit.

Medyo malapit-lapit,

mean then mean.

Okay, okay.

Good to go to.

Pag-usapan natin next,

ang paborito natin,

senador ng bayan.

Ay, actually,

dalawa silang paborito

ngayon.

Paborito ko si Robin,

paborito ko si

Sir Rafi,

pag-usapan natin yan.

Thank you very much.

Fantastic discussion.

With former

Secretary of the United States,

isa ka pa rin,

former.

Pulang sa pansin.

Pulang sa pansin

at laos na

former Secretary of the United States.

Five months ago,

five months ago,

kulang pansin.

Ngayon,

nasobraan ng pansin,

kaya crush lang tayo.

Salamat po, Sir.

Okay.