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00:00.7
Hello, hello everyone! Welcome to the latest edition of R&R.
00:06.3
Hindi po ito interview conversation yan, so magkakumpit kami ng daldalan.
00:11.0
Pero let me just apologize kung medyo masyado ako madaldal more than usual last time.
00:15.5
Kasi pagod na pagod yung ka-host ko dahil nagdoble kara.
00:19.3
Pero kahit nagdoble kara, napakagandang analysis na five episodes na ginawa natin sa isang oras.
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Kaya bilib na bilib ako sa sarili namin.
00:27.7
Thank you so much sa lahat ng sumusuporta and thank you of course to my special co-host,
00:33.9
co-anchor na si Secretary Ronald Llamas, ex-Secretary.
00:38.2
Salamat Sir X. Kamusta ka naman dyan Sir X?
00:42.5
Co-anchor pala ako?
00:44.0
Oo, ano lang ito eh.
00:48.3
Ayan, ikaw yung real big R, ako yung official lang na big R.
00:52.4
Kamusta valentines mo?
00:55.8
Valentines ko dito sa Solidarity.
00:57.7
Solid North at gusto natin makinig sa minamahal natin Presidente.
01:02.6
Bago tayo pumunta sa mga mas seryosong issue, dito muna tayo sa video na pinalabas ng ating minamahal na Paolo
01:09.3
na nagbe-bench press, na nagbe-weight, na abdominal exercise, na may rockstar music
01:16.3
and meron, meron advice sa mga singles dyan na self-love, love yourself.
01:24.0
Meron pa sila kayo ni First Lady.
01:29.1
Parang mas marites ka sa akin.
01:30.8
Answering questions.
01:32.0
Answering questions about their lives.
01:34.8
Pero believe ako dun sa nag-weight siya na abdominal exercise, na mga ganit-ganit.
01:39.7
So Sir Ronald, what's the subtext here?
01:42.1
What are the subtext here?
01:44.2
What's the subtext here?
01:46.4
Alam na natin yung subtext.
01:47.5
Mukhang continuation nung call mo eh.
01:49.4
Fentanyl narrative.
01:51.4
Mukhang continuation niya nun eh.
01:53.2
Yes to thorns, not to fentanyl.
01:55.7
Oo, pinapakita niya.
01:57.7
If I were an addict, baka hindi ko kayang gawin ito mga to, no?
02:01.7
Dapat devastated yung aking katawan, diba?
02:05.5
So tingin ko continuing narrative yan.
02:08.6
Alam mo naman eh, si President Bongbong Marcos ay conflict-averse.
02:16.8
So at most siya ay passive-aggressive.
02:20.4
Kaya ito yung ganyang ginagawa, diba?
02:23.0
Pero ano kung tayo?
02:24.0
Active-aggressive.
02:25.8
Passive-aggressive.
02:27.7
Alam mo, tayo tatalungin, tayo awayin, eh talagang aggressive tayo.
02:33.4
Pero si BBM eh mukhang kwan.
02:37.8
Mga puro indirect, diba?
02:39.0
Yung kanyang mga patira, no?
02:40.7
Ano mga sinasabi mo, no?
02:46.1
Kaya tingin ko related pa yan doon.
02:50.7
Pero balak din niya.
02:52.1
This is not the way.
02:53.2
I-humanize ng konti yung kanyang presidency.
02:56.5
Alam mo, may kasabayan eh.
02:57.5
May yung tandem nila ni First Lady na pinag-uusapan nila yung kanilang...
03:05.2
Hindi ko nakita yun, eh.
03:06.1
Pakie-explain nga.
03:07.1
...sinasagot nila na patay na patay daw si BBM sa kanya, sabi ni First Lady.
03:15.5
So, parang na-humanize nila yung kanilang relasyon, no?
03:20.9
Sinasagot nila yung mga balat sa kanila indirectly, diba?
03:27.5
So, you think na parang that's the way of saying,
03:29.7
Wait, kung may nagka-coke dyan, hindi makakabuits ng gano'n.
03:33.7
Ngayon naman, tignan natin yung kabila.
03:35.8
Yung mga fentanyl lifestyle.
03:38.5
You think, natin mo ba may panglaban si Digong dyan?
03:42.0
Baka yung next ni Digong, naka-motorbike siya siguro, no?
03:44.5
Tapos naka-shades.
03:45.9
Tapos sasabihin niya, ano, magda-drug.
03:47.6
Papunta na ako sa drug test.
03:52.8
Nadadapa na nga eh habang naglalakad, diba?
03:54.6
Tinala sa ospital.
03:56.3
So, baka mahirap.
03:57.5
Magkapan na magkwan din siya.
04:02.6
unless tutulungan mo, big R.
04:05.1
Tulungan mo paano magkwan.
04:06.6
Mag-shadow boxing.
04:10.1
Pero in fairness, ang ganda ng bike ni Tatay Digong.
04:15.1
Pero maganda rin yung mga barilya.
04:16.6
Sabi nga ng Rappler, mahigit 350 na barel.
04:20.0
Maganda rin yun, no?
04:22.4
At yung batalion yun na 350.
04:25.1
Wait, wait, wait.
04:26.1
This is coming from...
04:29.0
Just to be clear.
04:29.6
Uy, ako, ako, konti lang.
04:31.8
Mga sa akin, lahat registered.
04:33.5
Change topic ka na, Ronald, ah.
04:36.9
Mga sa akin, registered, no?
04:38.9
AK-47 is still the best.
04:43.6
And cheapest yan.
04:44.5
Hindi na patulong duma.
04:46.8
President Duterte, no?
04:49.9
Aling kanta na M16, diba?
04:54.5
Kedyo mag-segue tayo ng konti.
04:56.1
Ako medyo marunong ako sa...
04:58.6
Actually, mas magaling ako sa semi-automatic
05:00.5
kaysa yung, ano lang,
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Since both tayo legit.
05:08.1
Anong alam mo sa mga barel?
05:09.8
Anong mga magagandang barel dyan?
05:12.7
Depende kasi kung saan kahiyang, eh.
05:15.1
Alimawa, sa akin,
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mas gusto ko .45 at saka .40 caliber.
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malakas yung stopping power.
05:26.3
Depende kung saan kahiyang,
05:27.8
Kung saan maganda yung pulso mo, no?
05:30.9
Yung iba kasi, mas gusto, 9mm.
05:32.9
Si Pinoy, ang gusto niya, 9mm na Glock.
05:37.7
Yun yung sa counter-strike na maliit na...
05:39.7
Gusto niya ro'n, no?
05:40.7
Pero, ako si Anger.
05:41.7
Ang gamit ko ay CZ 75.
05:47.2
na hindi nagja-jump.
05:51.2
In my 20s, yun yung the best gun para sa akin.
05:57.3
Eventually, naging Beretta.
06:00.3
Paano yung Luger types, maganda rin, eh.
06:03.3
Yung Luger na ikaw mga barel.
06:04.3
Yung Beretta, 92F.
06:07.3
Italian ba yung German-ish? Ano yan?
06:13.3
Ej, yung baka Mussolini ang dating niya sa akin.
06:15.3
Yung Italian, yung Bersa.
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Correct, correct, correct, correct, correct.
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Kaya nga, depende sa pulso mo.
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Mas gusto ko yung 45 or tsaka 40 caliber.
06:27.1
mas mataas yung stopping power niya.
06:29.1
Tapos, high cap na rin siya.
06:32.1
15 shooter na rin siya.
06:34.1
Dati kasi yung problema sa 45.
06:36.1
Kunti lang yung bala.
06:39.1
Ah, so ngayon yung lagyanan, mas marami?
06:41.1
Yun, yung high cap, marami na rin.
06:48.1
Medyo makapal lang yung hawakan, no?
06:50.1
Tsaka very stable.
06:52.1
Pag mabigat kasi yung barel, very stable.
06:54.1
Pag magaan, minsan malakas yung sipa.
06:58.1
Pero, what's with the AK-47
07:00.1
na parang gun of choice pa rin siya?
07:02.1
Especially sa mga third world countries, di ba?
07:07.1
Madali siyang linisin.
07:08.1
Madali yung maintenance, no?
07:11.1
Pumuputok siya kahit halimbawa nasa tubig
07:13.1
o nasa kahit ah...
07:14.1
punong-puno ng putek.
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So, very versatile siya.
07:21.1
Pag tumama sa isang kahoy,
07:23.1
dadaplist na kagad eh.
07:25.1
AK, mas diretso eh.
07:27.1
Tsaka, malaki yung AK eh.
07:30.1
Parang siyang M14 yung bala.
07:32.1
pag narilinig mo yung putok nung M16
07:39.1
Yung isa, parang Tiger.
07:41.1
Roaring yung isa.
07:42.1
Yung isa, miaw lang.
07:44.1
Oh, yan. Yan. Yan. Yan.
07:45.1
Tsaka, yung tagos niya, no?
07:47.1
Big R, parang ikaw,
07:49.1
Hindi ka fighter.
07:51.1
Ayun na naman tayo eh.
07:52.1
Hanggang MMA lang tayo.
07:53.1
Hand-to-hand combat lang ako.
07:56.1
Kaya na-chin ka lang eh.
07:57.1
Nagta-taekwondo ka yata dati eh.
07:59.1
Nagka-krav maga ka?
08:01.1
Nagka-taekwondo ka yata eh, no?
08:02.1
Nagka-krav maga ka?
08:03.1
Ako, sikaran ako eh.
08:04.1
Sikaran kami sa Trade Union eh.
08:07.1
Pinaghalong karate,
08:08.1
pinaghalong taekwondo,
08:13.1
Yun ang tinuturo namin sa mga workers nun eh.
08:15.1
Para sa mga welga.
08:17.1
Lalo na nung martial law.
08:20.1
red tag na naman tayo ni madam.
08:22.1
Nung martial law kasi,
08:24.1
ang hirap sa mga welga.
08:25.1
Hindi ka pwede magdala ng weapons.
08:27.1
Huhulihin ka ng mga polis.
08:29.1
Eh, lulusubin ka ng mga scabs eh.
08:32.1
You have to learn to protect yourself.
08:35.1
ginagamit namin mga homemade eh.
08:39.1
lalagyan mo ng bato,
08:42.1
Tapos sinatali mo,
08:43.1
parang blackjack na yun eh.
08:44.1
Tapos pagdating ng mga polis,
08:48.1
tatanggalin mo na yung bato,
08:49.1
tsaka yung buhangin,
08:52.1
Hindi ka naman pwedeng hulihin
08:53.1
ang illegal possession of a medyas.
08:56.1
So, yun yung molotov nyo.
08:57.1
Yun yung version nyo ng molotov.
08:59.1
So, meron ka mga homemade na
09:01.1
pwedeng hindi ka hulihin.
09:05.1
nung mga strikes.
09:07.1
Pangalawin kasi ng martial law,
09:09.1
Ngayon, wala nang welga eh.
09:10.1
Parang wala na ako nakikita
09:11.1
nang may welga ngayon eh.
09:15.1
hindi ka believe sa mga guns ni BBM
09:16.1
kasi mahilig ka sa totoong guns.
09:21.1
Balikan natin ito si BBM.
09:23.1
Ako kasi, sabi ko,
09:25.1
yun yung parating napansin kong
09:26.1
difference kay BBM.
09:27.1
Yung pagka-populist niya
09:29.1
is very different from Digong.
09:30.1
Not only na mas posh siya na
09:32.1
Manila Polo Club version
09:36.1
yung nakikiride siya sa
09:39.1
in ways that Digong never did.
09:41.1
Like, tignan mo yung latest video niya
09:43.1
kasama d'yon yung mga sa
09:44.1
sa buwan ng mga lovers,
09:47.1
alagaan ng sarili.
09:48.1
Tapos andun yung picture na lahat
09:49.1
ng mga artist na nag-break up
09:50.1
over the past six to one year.
09:52.1
It's the one year.
09:53.1
Yung meron silang mga,
09:54.1
I call it pa-cute.
09:55.1
Pa-cute populism.
09:57.1
Diba? Meron siyang ganun.
09:58.1
At parang andun yung signature ni
09:59.1
Paul Soriano na ganun.
10:01.1
Anong basa mo dun sa ganun style ni BBM
10:06.1
yung Pulse Asia Survey ng February
10:08.1
and January 2022,
10:11.1
7 out of 10 Gen Zs
10:15.1
I think umabot pa sa 80% almost.
10:17.1
So of all the demographics,
10:19.1
pinaka-benta si BBM
10:21.1
sa mga pinaka-bata.
10:24.1
So sobrang lakas ang dating niya.
10:27.1
Hindi ko alam kung populism ang tawag dun eh.
10:29.1
Paano? Targeted kasi niya.
10:33.1
Tsaka part ng millennials.
10:35.1
Yun talagang ang tinatarget niya.
10:37.1
Kaya nga yung mga dadalo siya ng Coldplay,
10:41.1
Ganun yung kanyang target.
10:43.1
Yung masang nakikita kong
10:45.1
may pagka-populist si Tulfo eh.
10:48.1
Yung tutulungan ko kayo, no?
10:50.1
Isumbong kay Tulfo, no?
10:51.1
Siya yung mas ganun eh.
10:53.1
Kung ano yung mga
10:55.1
popular issues sa mga D&E,
10:59.1
mas hindi yung generation Z eh.
11:02.1
Mas D&E yung kanyang target.
11:05.1
Mas class rather than identity.
11:08.1
Kaya hindi ko sigurado kung populist
11:10.1
yung strategy ni BBM.
11:12.1
Mas identity yung kanyang target eh.
11:14.1
Si Tulfo, mas yung masa eh.
11:17.1
Mas yung masa yung kanyang target.
11:20.1
yung classic na populism.
11:22.1
Ang ginagamit niya.
11:24.1
Ako Ronald, ang point ko dun is,
11:27.1
parang I call it posh populism
11:29.1
or pakul populism.
11:31.1
So I'll give you a very good example.
11:33.1
Ibang classic populism yan ah.
11:35.1
Look at the most famous populist
11:39.1
today in the world is
11:41.1
a guy who's just a few age older than me.
11:43.1
Si Bukele ng El Salvador.
11:45.1
And yung ginagawa niyang Bitcoin,
11:47.1
yung national currency niya,
11:49.1
Yung pakul effect na ganun.
11:52.1
parang he's a force multiplier sa populism eh.
11:56.1
Yung pakul effect niya.
12:01.1
Magandang pag-aaralan niya.
12:02.1
Dahil hindi naman isang version lang ang populism eh.
12:06.1
Depende sa target audience mo eh.
12:08.1
Lalo na sa Pilipinas.
12:10.1
60% ng ating population,
12:13.1
ating voters ay mga kabataan.
12:17.1
hindi lang siya class related.
12:20.1
Pwedeng identity related din siya.
12:22.1
Demographic related.
12:24.1
Kasi ang target mo diyan,
12:25.1
regardless of class,
12:26.1
whether A, B, C ka or D and E,
12:28.1
kung cool ka and all.
12:30.1
I'll give you another example.
12:31.1
So Bukele is the young,
12:32.1
self-described coolest dictator in the world.
12:35.1
Kung titignan mo yung Twitter account ni Bukele.
12:37.1
Coolest dictator ah.
12:38.1
Nakalagay diyan in Espanol ah.
12:40.1
Like coolest dictator,
12:42.1
El Mondial, something like that.
12:43.1
Sobrang talagang self-styled.
12:46.1
But I'll give you another example.
12:48.1
The person who's about to be the president
12:50.1
of the third largest democracy in the world
12:52.1
and the biggest ASEAN country, Indonesia.
12:54.1
Prabowo Sobyento.
12:56.1
Alam natin si Prabowo Sobyento,
12:58.1
nakakatakot tong tao na to.
13:00.1
Ito yung son-in-law ni Suharto.
13:02.1
At ito yung dating sobrang questionable na general,
13:05.1
accused of massive human rights violation,
13:07.1
mga disaparasidos,
13:08.1
yung mga nangyayari sa East Timor.
13:10.1
Pero tignan mo yung latest na ginawa niya.
13:12.1
Parang cute lolo.
13:18.1
Tik-tok, tik-tok siya.
13:19.1
Sayaw-sayaw siya.
13:20.1
So there was an analysis recently by The Economist
13:22.1
about itong Prabowo Sobyento
13:24.1
na ang bentang-benta niya
13:26.1
sa mga not millennials.
13:27.1
Kasi sa mga millennials,
13:28.1
naalala pa nila yung 1990s eh.
13:30.1
yung human rights violation.
13:33.1
bentang-benta sa kanila.
13:35.1
There are like these animations of him.
13:37.1
Cute na ganyan-ganyan lang si Prabowo.
13:39.1
Parang like a cute old man.
13:41.1
May anime, gano'n.
13:42.1
Bentang-benta siya.
13:43.1
Like 80% yata ng mga kabata.
13:45.1
Ang indonesia may gusto sa kanya.
13:47.1
Across all classes ah.
13:48.1
Bati yung ABC sa Jakarta,
13:51.1
yung mga big cities.
13:53.1
related lahat yan eh.
13:55.1
It's not your digong,
14:00.1
It's a different kind of a pa-cool,
14:05.1
may softer version like BBM,
14:07.1
may more self-styled version like Bukele.
14:10.1
And then there's like a shameless version of Prabowo Sobyento.
14:13.1
Total reinvention.
14:15.1
I think the Indonesian elections this week,
14:17.1
the Valentine's Day elections,
14:20.1
will be the first TikTok elections.
14:22.1
Ang lakas ng effect ng TikTok dito sa latest elections sa Indonesia.
14:25.1
Pero natuturo rin sila kay Widodo.
14:28.1
Dahil very popular din si Widodo.
14:35.1
Kahit ngayon napatapos na yung kanyang term.
14:37.1
Very popular pa rin siya.
14:38.1
Pero dumadalo sa party congress eh.
14:47.1
natuturo na yung mga leaders eh.
14:49.1
Whether authoritarian,
14:50.1
whether dictatorial,
15:02.1
Kaya dapat yung mga reformist dito,
15:04.1
matuturo ng aspect ng populism.
15:08.1
Is populism the only game in town?
15:11.1
The reason I'm gonna ask you,
15:13.1
I'm a political advisor of Pinoy.
15:15.1
And from my understanding,
15:16.1
even Pinoy to a certain degree
15:17.1
dabbled in populism.
15:23.1
I'll just fight against corruption
15:24.1
and lahat ng problema natin
15:25.1
more or less masol.
15:26.1
I mean, I find that pretty
15:27.1
a populist standing.
15:29.1
I don't find it a technical...
15:31.1
Well, to some extent.
15:32.1
To some degree, diba?
15:33.1
Nag-populist po siya eh.
15:34.1
Pero his presidency is not like that eh.
15:36.1
Yung presidency niya is more modernist eh.
15:41.1
Siguro kung ginamit niya yung populism
15:44.1
during his presidency,
15:46.1
baka iba yung resulta eh.
15:48.1
Ayaw niya ng EPAL eh.
15:50.1
Ayaw niya ng EPAL.
15:52.1
Nagbesyado nagpapakyut.
15:54.1
Medyo may ganun siyang reaction eh.
15:56.1
Iba nung kampanya
15:57.1
na talagang ginamit niya yung corruption
16:01.1
yung pinanggalingan mong gobyerno,
16:06.1
dinikit niya doon
16:07.1
yung anti-corruption struggle niya.
16:09.1
Pero nung presidente,
16:10.1
he was more a modernist eh.
16:13.1
Medyo kwensya eh.
16:15.1
Umiiwas siya doon sa...
16:17.1
At least yung populism
16:19.1
Yun yung iniiwasan niya.
16:24.1
yung kanyang kandidato
16:26.1
could have been...
16:29.1
might have been better off sa eleksyon
16:32.1
kung ginawa ni Pinoy
16:36.1
yung ginawa ni Digong.
16:39.1
Tinriple niya yung sahod
16:41.1
tsaka ng mga pulis.
16:43.1
Pinopost siyang kay Pinoy eh.
16:44.1
Ayaw niya na niya eh.
16:45.1
Dahil posibleng magkaroon ng fiscal problems.
16:48.1
Yung ibibigay yung pera ng SSS
16:51.1
para sa mga seniors.
16:54.1
titriplihin yung benefits.
16:55.1
Ang tinitignan ni Pinoy ay yung...
16:58.1
yung sustainability eh
16:59.1
ng mga institution na yan.
17:01.1
in maraming pagkakataon,
17:03.1
umiwas siya doon sa
17:05.1
populist style na,
17:07.1
oh, ibigay lahat.
17:08.1
Bahala na yung susunod.
17:10.1
Konong wants ng tao,
17:12.1
ibigay sa kanila.
17:15.1
foundation ng populism eh.
17:17.1
Wala ka na masyadong pakialam eh.
17:19.1
Whether sustainable yan o hindi.
17:24.1
at yung successor mo
17:26.1
yung inyong gusto mong continuity
17:30.1
Medyo ayaw ni Pinoy niyan eh.
17:33.1
Ako, ang approach ko dyan,
17:35.1
in a scholarly fashion,
17:36.1
is yung varieties of populism.
17:38.1
Digong is the more fully demagogic populist.
17:42.1
Hindi lang yung style niya ng pananalita,
17:44.1
hindi lang yung kampanya niya.
17:46.1
When naging president siya,
17:48.1
he really engaged doon sa pinaka-populist na
17:55.1
Jokowi and Aquino,
17:56.1
I'll put them in the same category of
17:58.1
medyo pa-populist
17:59.1
when they were running for office,
18:01.1
yung electoral positioning nila.
18:03.1
But once they were in office actually,
18:05.1
they were much more standing,
18:09.1
reformist kinds of leaders.
18:10.1
So, hindi sila full-fledged.
18:11.1
I would call them instrumentalist populist.
18:14.1
Partial lang sila.
18:16.1
yun ang gusto ng,
18:18.1
mababoard ng tao sa'yo
18:20.1
if you just give technocratic arguments.
18:23.1
was the best candidate
18:24.1
for a technocratic argument.
18:26.1
No offense to Pinoy,
18:27.1
but if you look at the debates
18:29.1
Guibo was like head and shoulders
18:30.1
above everyone else.
18:31.1
He knew the numbers,
18:33.1
yung per capita pulis natin.
18:36.1
When he was asked about law and order,
18:39.1
he would give you all of this data
18:41.1
Hindi gusto ng tao yan.
18:42.1
Gusto ng tao yung parang
18:45.1
kind of solution and all.
18:46.1
So, with all due respect
18:47.1
to President Aquino,
18:48.1
I think he was a bit populist
18:49.1
during his election
18:50.1
campaigning strategy,
18:51.1
but not when he was the president.
18:54.1
Digong was true and true.
18:57.1
He was really a populist.
18:59.1
just like Bolsonaro.
19:02.1
Even before Digong,
19:04.1
ERAP was also a populist.
19:07.1
ERAP is like classic populist.
19:13.1
na hindi makamatay tao.
19:17.1
Medyo next level kasi si Digong.
19:19.1
Medyo scary level si Digong.
19:23.1
in the case of Trump,
19:24.1
siguro not inside US,
19:25.1
pero yung mga giyera
19:26.1
na ginagawa nila abroad
19:27.1
or muntik na nangyari,
19:29.1
deadly populism din sila
19:31.1
yung mga right-wing populists.
19:33.1
they're gonna wage wars abroad.
19:34.1
Suwerte lang tayo,
19:35.1
walang nuclear weapons si Digong.
19:37.1
buti Duterte na have nukes
19:38.1
kasi he would be scarier
19:40.1
May nagsabi ng gano'n.
19:42.1
Na wala tayong pangsugot
19:44.1
Ibang usapan na siguro
19:45.1
sinugod na natin yung Saba
19:46.1
or something like that.
19:47.1
Yung latest ganyan.
19:51.1
Imamasakran niya yung ICC
19:52.1
na magsaserve ng warrants.
19:55.1
Tingnan mo yung mindset.
19:56.1
Buti nga wala siyang nuclear weapon.
19:58.1
Baka mag-brinkmanship siya
20:01.1
He will threaten that.
20:02.1
I just wanna ask you
20:04.1
I just wanna ask you
20:06.1
I know it's a bit
20:07.1
out of nowhere but
20:08.1
would you agree na
20:11.1
political development
20:14.1
political culture
20:16.1
someone like Jokowi
20:20.1
for the Philippines
20:22.1
Don't you think so?
20:23.1
I think para masyadong maaga
20:24.1
to have a Macron-like
20:26.1
kind of president
20:27.1
but someone like Jokowi
20:28.1
na hindi super eloquent
20:29.1
super technocratic
20:33.1
magaling maglaro.
20:35.1
He even make Prabowo
20:36.1
his defense secretary.
20:38.1
good Machiavellian.
20:39.1
Do you think that
20:40.1
that's reasonably
20:44.1
under the current circumstances?
20:48.1
I know a lot of criticisms
20:50.1
Daming galit sa kanya.
20:51.1
Daming disappointed sa kanya.
20:52.1
Medyo trapo din siya.
20:53.1
Yung anak niya ngayon
20:54.1
ang ginawa ng vice-president
20:56.1
I can go on and on
20:57.1
about the criticism
20:58.1
but realistically
20:59.1
Indonesia has come very far
21:00.1
over the past 10 years
21:03.1
has done very well
21:05.1
even if Jokowi has been
21:06.1
far from perfect.
21:07.1
And I think realistically
21:08.1
dahil very similar tayo
21:10.1
in terms of level of development
21:12.1
Don't you think yun yung pinaka
21:13.1
sustainable form of reformist
21:18.1
Well, hindi ko siya tatawagin
21:20.1
Mas nang tatawagin ko nga
21:23.1
Baka ito yung viable
21:26.1
na ganito yung level
21:30.1
ganito yung weaknesses
21:32.1
Ganito yung weaknesses
21:33.1
ng political leadership.
21:34.1
Ng political culture.
21:36.1
baka ganyang style
21:37.1
yung best of all worlds.
21:38.1
Yun yung mangyayari.
21:39.1
Or least worst of all worlds.
21:40.1
May kaunti siyang
21:41.1
reformist stature.
21:43.1
populist stature.
21:44.1
May pag-operator.
21:46.1
may pagka strong leader din siya.
21:47.1
May pagka machiavellian.
21:49.1
Yung hindi din siya
21:51.1
Yung hindi din siya
21:53.1
Yung hindi din siya
21:55.1
Yung hindi din siya
21:57.1
Yung hindi din siya
22:00.1
May pagka machiavellian.
22:02.1
Yung hindi din siya
22:03.1
papahuli ng buhay
22:04.1
dito sa mga trapo natin.
22:06.1
Pwede niyang laruin
22:08.1
pero at the same time
22:09.1
pwede niyang kausapin
22:10.1
yung progressive movement.
22:12.1
Pwede niyang kausapin
22:13.1
ng civil society.
22:16.1
Tama yung sabi mo
22:19.1
ay katulad ng level
22:24.1
na siya yung maging
22:26.1
of something better.
22:39.1
the strong leader
22:40.1
na pwedeng i-level
22:41.1
yung playing field
22:49.1
ang tingin ko eh.
22:51.1
Kailangan mong handlein
22:52.1
yung mga dynasties
22:53.1
yung mga warlords
22:54.1
yung mga traditional
22:56.1
Pero at the same time
22:57.1
saan mo dadalhin?
22:58.1
Ano yung direction?
22:59.1
Yun yung problema
23:00.1
na hindi ko nakikita
23:12.1
of a better term.
23:17.1
siguro hinahanap ko
23:21.1
of a better term.
23:22.1
Transitional leader
23:24.1
to something better.
23:27.1
more reform oriented
23:29.1
more social welfare type
23:34.1
para sa ating bansa.
23:35.1
Yun yung problema naman
23:40.1
Parang after ng kanyang term
23:45.1
Baka bumalik sa Suharto type
23:54.1
with new trappings.
23:56.1
Pero the same substance.
23:58.1
Pero the same substance.
24:00.1
Yun siguro yung kaibahan.
24:03.1
Pwedeng magkaroon tayo
24:04.1
ng ganyang style of leader
24:06.1
pero dapat papunta
24:07.1
to something better.
24:12.1
Sana yun yung sustainability
24:17.1
one last question
24:21.1
and up to 10 years
24:23.1
of continuous presidency.
24:25.1
Ang basa ko kasi is
24:27.1
six years is too long
24:29.1
for a bad president
24:30.1
but six years is also too short
24:32.1
for a good president.
24:34.1
if Ramos had more than one term
24:36.1
or even Pinoy some would say
24:37.1
had more than one term.
24:38.1
Maybe the Philippines
24:39.1
would have been a totally
24:40.1
different trajectory.
24:41.1
Granted na kay Jokowi
24:42.1
there's a big threat
24:44.1
there'll be relapse.
24:45.1
All the reformasy
24:46.1
reforms will go away.
24:48.1
But I think a good president
24:50.1
or at least Jokowi level
24:52.1
just above mediocre
24:54.1
deserves two terms, right?
24:56.1
And potentially up to 10 years.
24:58.1
Kung magaling ka sa first term
24:59.1
then manalo ka ng second term.
25:01.1
Pero kung hindi ka magaling
25:02.1
then you will not be voted
25:03.1
into power anymore.
25:05.1
Ang purpose naman
25:06.1
yung one term na yan
25:07.1
ay mapigilan yung mga
25:09.1
dictatorial leaders
25:16.1
Reaction yan dun sa
25:17.1
Marcos dictatorship.
25:19.1
Medyo matagal na yung
25:22.1
kaya baka pwede ba
25:23.1
pwedeng pagdibatihan
25:25.1
kung kinakailangan ng baguhin.
25:26.1
Ang problema lang naman natin
25:30.1
Yun yung problema.
25:31.1
At pag sino mo naman
25:32.1
na charter change
25:33.1
kung sino yung dominant
25:34.1
sa Senate at saka sa Congress
25:37.1
yun yung may plenary power
25:39.1
to change everything.
25:41.1
Okay lang sana kung
25:42.1
halimbawa meron kang
25:45.1
within Congress at saka Senate
25:49.1
magdi-deteriorate
25:51.1
yung political system
25:53.1
ay hindi magdi-deteriorate.
25:55.1
Yun lang naman yung problema.
25:57.1
Ang problema hindi ko nakikita
25:58.1
yung reformist bloc na yan
26:02.1
or within Senate.
26:03.1
You have one or two
26:05.1
senators na reformist.
26:07.1
You have one, two, three
26:10.1
or four congressmen
26:11.1
out of 315 na reformist.
26:15.1
pag binuksan yung charter
26:17.1
para dyan sa proposal
26:19.1
na pinag-uusapan natin
26:20.1
na magkaroon ng at least
26:27.1
the worst might happen.
26:29.1
Yun yung problema.
26:30.1
Yun yung problema lang
26:31.1
na pag binuksan mo yan.
26:34.1
Again, kind of forms,
26:40.1
nakakatuwa itong si Digong eh.
26:42.1
Diba nung presidente siya
26:43.1
gusto niyang baguhin yung
26:44.1
Constitution to shift
26:45.1
to a federal system.
26:46.1
Nung hindi na siya presidente,
26:47.1
anti-charter chain siya.
26:49.1
Dahil maganda daw yung Constitution.
26:52.1
Pero two weeks ago,
26:56.1
magsisisid na sila.
26:58.1
Which is worse than changing
26:59.1
the Constitution.
27:01.1
Dahil para ka ikaw makapagsisid,
27:03.1
kailangan mo ng chacha.
27:04.1
You cannot sisid without
27:06.1
changing the Constitution.
27:08.1
Hindi ko alam kung narealize na yun eh.
27:10.1
So in almost the same breath
27:12.1
na binanatan niya yung
27:15.1
ay nag-propose siya ng
27:18.1
with this secession project.
27:20.1
Secession can only happen
27:22.1
in a charter change con us.
27:25.1
Doon lang pwede mangyari
27:27.1
yung secession mo.
27:28.1
Which just proves na
27:30.1
hindi ito madman theory.
27:32.1
Madman lang ang nangyayari ngayon.
27:34.1
Yung wala na yung theory.
27:37.1
Sorry, madmax theory
27:38.1
ang nangyayari ngayon.
27:40.1
Last one, I just wanna add to this.
27:41.1
Again, I really like this discussion.
27:43.1
Kasi dito lumalabas na
27:46.1
we're pragmatic ideally.
27:48.1
As much as we're idealists,
27:49.1
you also want pragmatic idealism.
27:51.1
What is the threshold of risk
27:53.1
we're willing to accept
27:54.1
in order to push for
27:56.1
some much-needed reform?
27:59.1
Sabi mo nga, ang problema is
28:01.1
whenever we have constitutional change
28:04.1
ang problema kung trapo yung mga in-charge.
28:06.1
I mean, you cannot fix a problem
28:07.1
if the fixer is the problem.
28:08.1
But at some point, Ronald,
28:10.1
hindi naman tayo pwede umasa forever
28:12.1
na manalo yung mga progressives majority.
28:14.1
So, what is the threshold of acceptability?
28:17.1
You can define it in 2028.
28:19.1
Dahil definitely,
28:21.1
six years ka with Duterte.
28:24.1
Six years ka with Duterte.
28:28.1
o nakabalik yung mga Marcoses.
28:30.1
Yung first year ng Marcos,
28:32.1
hindi ka sigurado.
28:33.1
Nung first year ng Marcos,
28:35.1
hindi ka sigurado kung ano yung ethos
28:38.1
nitong Marcos na ito.
28:40.1
Babalik ba tayo sa dictatorship,
28:43.1
authoritarianism?
28:44.1
Tayo ba ay babalik sa cronyism?
28:46.1
So, yun yung pinag-aralan natin
28:50.1
yung first one year ni BBM.
28:53.1
Mukhang karamihan naman doon sa ating kinakatakutan,
28:58.1
Mukhang wala namang drift pabalik sa dictatorship.
29:02.1
Pero maraming pa rin problema yung bansa.
29:04.1
Hindi pa rin na-resolve yung Dutertismo.
29:09.1
Dutertismo is still alive.
29:11.1
The daughter is the vice president.
29:14.1
Tapos nakikita mo yung...
29:15.1
A frontrunner pa to be the next president.
29:18.1
Nakikita mo yung napakaraming recidivist element na naiiwan.
29:21.1
Nakikita mo yung forces of reaction
29:24.1
still holding sway in both legislative houses.
29:28.1
Especially sa local government.
29:31.1
Medyo nakakatakot pa.
29:33.1
Kaya sa akin, defining yung 2028.
29:36.1
Will the 2028 results provide a reformist poll?
29:42.1
Ako nga poll lang eh.
29:44.1
May reformist poll ka ba?
29:46.1
Magkakaroon ka ba ng presidente na open sa reforms kahit hindi reformist?
29:51.1
Magkakaroon ka ba ng senate slate na hindi lang nag-iisa yung reformist?
29:56.1
Or congressional slate na hindi lahat ay trapo?
30:00.1
Magkakaroon ka ba ng mas maraming magalong?
30:05.1
Mas maraming biko soto?
30:07.1
Mas maraming kakabagaw sa local government?
30:10.1
Sa akin, mahalaga yung 2028.
30:12.1
Meron tayong 5 years para gawin yan.
30:18.1
Para i-create yung conditions para dyan.
30:21.1
Dapat lahat itaya na natin itong next 5 years.
30:25.1
Next 4 to 5 years.
30:27.1
Dapat itaya na natin lahat dyan.
30:28.1
Or else, it will be a vicious cycle.
30:33.1
Meron kang Duterte.
30:34.1
Meron kang Marcos na hindi mo sigurado kung saan pupunta.
30:41.1
Duterte and then Sandro.
30:43.1
Sana man lang makakreate ka ng poll sa loob.
30:46.1
Hindi ako maasa na matatransform yung lipunan sa 2028.
30:51.1
Ang inaasahan ko lang, at least create a reformist poll.
30:55.1
And within that reformist poll, a progressive poll.
30:59.1
Yun yung last productive 10 years ko, doon ko ilalagay.
31:06.1
Ikaw mahaba ka pa. Meron ka pa 30 years.
31:09.1
Kami 10 years na lang.
31:11.1
Mag-fundraising tayo, mag-stem-sell ka.
31:14.1
Parang ang Enrile hanggang 100.
31:16.1
Ito may 40 years ka pa.
31:18.1
Pero natutuwa ako.
31:20.1
Itong mga episode natin na ganito, yung episode with Politiscope,
31:26.1
yung episode with Robbie Alampay, with Christian Esguerra,
31:29.1
may nakikilig sa atin.
31:31.1
Ibig sabihin, hindi rin natin masasabi na walang-wala yung ating electorate.
31:37.1
Walang-wala yung ating...
31:38.1
Merong poll, lalo na.
31:39.1
Ngayon ako nagbabasa ng mga comet.
31:42.1
Merong growing base yung ating populasyon na nagiging critical.
31:48.1
Na nagsawa na doon sa cycle na pinag-uusapan natin.
31:51.1
Yung cycle ng populism, ng dictatorship, ng traditional politisya, ng corruption.
31:58.1
Meron nang lumalaki.
32:00.1
Na ngayon ko lang nakikita ulit.
32:06.1
Well, I mean, I can say...
32:07.1
Yung fact na matataas yung ganitong klaseng episode, yung mga nanonood,
32:10.1
ibig sabihin merong ganong klaseng nakikinig.
32:12.1
Diba? Yun yung...
32:13.1
We're talking about millions of views.
32:15.1
I mean, between me and Christian and your other interviews,
32:18.1
I mean, we're easily talking about 3, 4, 5, 6 million views, right?
32:21.1
So, malaki yung...
32:23.1
And it's not just number.
32:25.1
Yung mga nakikinig sa atin, I'm 100% sure, a lot of them are people who should be listening to us.
32:30.1
And I'm not saying this in a mayabang way.
32:31.1
I'm saying this in a heartening way.
32:33.1
Na mukhang may nakikinig sa atin.
32:35.1
Maybe some of our ideas is echoing in the words of others.
32:38.1
Although they don't give credit to us.
32:40.1
Parang, hello, kami ni Ronald nagsabi yan last week. Diba?
32:43.1
Yun ang problema sa kultura natin.
32:45.1
Wala man lang crediting or citation culture.
32:48.1
Okay na yun. Okay na yun. Basta.
32:51.1
Okay. So, I think napahaba tong episode.
32:54.1
Actually, I wanted to make it very short just to set the tone for the next episode.
32:57.1
Gusto ko lang sana pag-usapan yung fentanyl and healthy lifestyle and valentines.
33:01.1
Napunta na kay Jo Cohen.
33:02.1
But I really wanted to talk about Jo Cohen.
33:03.1
Because I think you and I are...
33:05.1
The analysis of Jo Cohen has a lot to do with how we understand
33:08.1
where the Philippines can realistically go.
33:10.1
As much as we want progressive change.
33:12.1
Now, in the next episode, let's talk about this very serious issue.
33:14.1
Ang daming galit sa akin. Sila sasot lahat.
33:16.1
Umatak sa akin over the weekend.
33:18.1
You must be doing something good.
33:20.1
Self-love ako ngayon.
33:22.1
Kung sila sasot, sila banatbay,
33:24.1
tsaka si Maharlika ang galit sa iyo.
33:26.1
Well, si banatbay, busy siya kay Buljak.
33:28.1
Silang dalawa nag-ano sila.
33:30.1
Medyo may mga intersectionality ng ganyan.
33:33.1
But next episode,
33:34.1
pag-uusapan natin this very important thing.
33:36.1
SWS is showing crystal clear
33:39.1
that vast majority of Filipinos want an ICC probe.
33:43.1
Which inevitably means that they may be open to,
33:45.1
at one point, warrants of arrest.
33:47.1
Which is connected sa pinag-uusapan natin.
33:51.1
Hindi naman yung populasyon natin,
33:53.1
ay medyo nag-evolve naman.
33:55.1
Nag-evolve naman.
33:56.1
And hearteningly.
33:57.1
Because I want to talk about the moral aspect of this.
33:59.1
Ronald, you're not the most religious person out there.
34:02.1
But I think there's a moral aspect.
34:03.1
I think there's a moral vindication here
34:05.1
in this kind of surveys that I'm looking at.
34:07.1
So thank you very much,
34:09.1
for the 101 advice on AK-47,
34:15.1
I really enjoyed that.
34:16.1
And Jokowi Politics.
34:18.1
I really like it.
34:19.1
Magandang discussion yan.
34:20.1
Kasi hindi pwede yung kumpara lang natin
34:22.1
sa sarili natin sa Amerika,
34:23.1
sa mga puting bansa.
34:24.1
Tignan natin Indonesia.
34:26.1
Tignan natin Malaysia.
34:27.1
Tignan natin Latin America.
34:28.1
I think mas relatable sa atin yung mga bansa na yan.
34:30.1
Mas similar sa atin.
34:31.1
There's so much we can learn from them.
34:32.1
Salamat, Sekar Eliyamas.
