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00:00.8
Okay, guys, welcome back to R&R, a conversation, hindi ito interview, a conversation between dalawang madaldal na letter R, Ricardo and Ronaldo.
00:10.9
Pag-usapan natin ito, okay, so this SW survey that came out, okay, very very important sa aking palagayan
00:16.8
because it shows that not only a majority but a growing majority of Filipinos are open to the ICC probe
00:25.0
dito sa mga allegations of extrajudicial killings under the previous administration
00:29.7
and 57%, that's 6 out of 10, are saying that dapat mag-cooperate ang Pilipinas sa probe na yan.
00:37.2
So I think this is an interesting situation, right, whereby Marcos can hit two birds with one stone, right?
00:44.6
Like ICC allows him to marginalize a big Karen and at the same time it's increasingly a popular position apparently, right?
00:51.3
Now alam ko yung mga, walang yung mga trolls na,
00:54.8
yung mga bayaran dyan at mga makapilig lang, they're trying to spin this and looking,
00:58.8
oh but during the survey there were questions about impartiality of ICC.
01:02.6
Of course magsispin-spin sila but the reality is that majority of Filipinos, 53% want an ICC probe,
01:08.4
57% want cooperation of the Philippine government with the ICC probe and it's getting bigger and bigger, right?
01:15.7
And only, sabi ko nga malapit na maging 3% yung mga hardcore DDS na yan, only 10% strongly disagreed with this.
01:24.8
And just over 20%, 1 out of 5, did not want itong anong intervention, sabi ni Robin Padilla, ng ICC sa ating sovereignty, okay?
01:35.0
Itong mga quiet sa West Philippine Sea, quiet sa China, parang ingay-ingay sa ICC, okay?
01:41.0
Sir Ronald, how do you read this? Because for me, there's also kind of a moral vindication here because let's be honest, I don't know what's your personal experience.
01:49.2
Pero ako Ronald, nasaktan talaga ako when I saw many of our kababayans, people that I respected.
01:53.9
Marami pa dyan sa mga gated communities na mayaman cheering on the drug war even if they know maraming EJK na nangyari.
02:01.1
And for me, that was a moral crisis.
02:03.1
I mean, how can we call ourselves a Christian nation and then you have so many people?
02:07.3
So now I feel, baka nangyari lang dito, it was really all about climate of fear eh, diba?
02:13.3
Kasi SWS was very clear, 7 out of 10 Filipinos feared being victims of EJK during Digong's time.
02:21.1
Almost 8 out of 10 Filipinos.
02:23.9
person in Metro Manila didn't want
02:25.4
the suspects to be EJK.
02:27.7
They wanted them to be kept alive.
02:31.6
baka ngayon na nawawala yung fear
02:33.6
factor kay Digong. At nagigets din
02:35.4
ang tao na si BBM ay hindi rin maging
02:37.5
diktador. Kasi last year in SWS,
02:39.3
47%, they said they
02:41.4
feared expressing contrarian views.
02:43.4
See, I know all of the data. So, hindi ko alam doon sa mga walang
02:45.4
makapili club na nagsispin-spin.
02:48.4
Ewan ko kung anong bayat sa kanila.
02:49.9
Hindi ganong kagalingan mo.
02:51.5
Kami, sariling sikap lang.
02:53.0
Mas nag-aaral kami ng mabuti.
02:55.2
How do you read this, Ronald? Because for me,
02:57.1
I think a big part of Duterte's
02:59.1
superlative popularity was all
03:01.0
of this fear factor that distorts
03:03.2
people's preferences. And now
03:05.1
that the cloud is lifting, people are more honest
03:07.1
about their compassion, their humanity,
03:09.4
and probably even regrets of perhaps
03:11.3
not being vocal enough during those days
03:13.2
of, ang dami, ang dami namatay eh.
03:16.1
Tama ka, Big R, isang
03:18.7
mahalagang factor dito
03:21.1
ay yung fear factor.
03:23.0
Marami talaga yung natatakot, lalo na
03:24.8
nung nagsimula na yung tokhang.
03:27.5
Lalo na nung nagsisimula na magpatong-patong
03:30.7
dito sa extrajudicial killings.
03:33.5
Pero ang pinagsimula nito was the
03:35.1
populist rhetoric.
03:37.0
Yung populism na pinag-uusapan
03:39.3
natin sa mga previous episodes
03:40.9
na hindi lamang nangyari sa Pilipinas
03:43.3
kundi around the world.
03:46.8
Erdogan, Bolsonaro,
03:49.8
even to some extent, Xi Jinping.
03:54.9
kahit iba yung kanilang kalagayan.
03:56.9
So, it's a worldwide phenomenon.
04:00.9
very distinct eh.
04:02.5
Dahil halos nangyari siya
04:06.8
After a very modernist leader,
04:09.0
biglang nagkaroon ka ng populist leader.
04:13.6
pag nakakausap ko kasi yung marami
04:15.2
sa mga OFW, natatakot sila
04:17.6
dun sa kanilang mga kamag-anak.
04:19.8
Nakreate kasi yung fear
04:23.0
Yung fear about drugs.
04:25.2
Ang sabi nga ni Digong
04:34.7
Hindi ko alam kung nasa yun yung datos na yun.
04:37.6
Kahit nung panahon niya,
04:38.8
wala namang maipakitang datos.
04:40.4
So, ang laki daw ng mga...
04:42.0
So, yung mga OFW, nagwaworry sa kanilang mga kamag-anak
04:45.1
na baka nalululun sa droga.
04:47.3
Manufactured crisis.
04:48.4
Are you implying this?
04:50.2
Na-exaggerate eh.
04:53.7
Yung real problem ng crime at saka drugs.
04:56.7
Pero na-exaggerate
04:57.8
at na naging kwensya, na-weaponize.
05:01.1
Diba? Na-weaponize siya eh.
05:03.1
Yung traditional populist ethos
05:05.8
na create a big enemy.
05:08.1
Tapos package yourself as the solution.
05:11.3
Susolusyon ako ang drug problem
05:16.6
Natapos yung 6 years,
05:17.7
walang solusyon sa drugs.
05:19.9
Kaya, fast forward,
05:21.6
yun naman yung...
05:23.0
yun yung nakikita natin ngayon.
05:24.5
Nawala yung fear factor.
05:26.4
At the same time,
05:27.2
nakita na walang naging solusyon sa drugs
05:30.6
na pinagmamalaki na susolusyonan
05:34.4
Tapos, yung populist ethos
05:38.6
ay medyo nag-taper off na.
05:46.3
lumalaki ngayon yung
05:47.4
nakikita nating mga survey
05:49.7
in support sa halimbawa sa ICC.
05:56.2
ano ba talaga nangyari sa drug war?
05:58.2
Nasolusyonan ba yung drugs?
05:59.8
O patuloy na lumaki yung problema sa drugs?
06:03.0
Alimbawa, nung binigay kay Lenny
06:04.9
yung pagiging drug czar,
06:07.2
ang proposal ni Lenny
06:08.4
with the advice of Senator Ping Lakson
06:10.7
ang puntahan yung supply side
06:14.6
Hindi yung demand side.
06:17.4
Lalo na around the world,
06:19.0
around the world,
06:21.0
ang treatment sa problema
06:22.6
sa drug, sa opioid crisis
06:24.4
ay tinatawag nating harm reduction.
06:27.8
Tignan na yung mga addict
06:32.7
sila yung kriminal.
06:34.5
Tignan sila as victims
06:38.2
Yun yung tinatawag ngayon
06:39.3
na ginagamit ng civil society
06:41.0
na harm reduction.
06:43.1
Or public health approach.
06:44.9
Public health approach.
06:45.4
Yes, public health problem.
06:47.8
At mismo yung presidente ng Columbia
06:49.7
nila sa front line
06:51.6
nitong mga drug cartels
06:57.4
Hindi solusyon yung ginawa namin
07:00.0
na anti-drug campaign.
07:02.7
Yun ang sinabi niya.
07:04.0
Anong tawag sa kanya ni Digong?
07:07.0
tinawag yung presidente ng Columbia
07:10.2
doon sa pinakamalaking drug problem
07:12.2
around the world.
07:13.6
Ang tawag sa kanya,
07:15.9
After ng kanyang karanasan
07:17.6
sa paglaban sa Medellin drug cartel
07:20.1
kay Pablo Escobar,
07:22.6
Yung Cali drug cartel.
07:24.7
Yan, nakakatakot yung Cali actually.
07:26.7
Ang tawag sa kanya, stupid.
07:29.8
Habang ito si Digong,
07:37.5
So, yan yung isang dahilan
07:41.1
tumataas na ngayon
07:42.1
yung recognition na
07:43.4
perhaps nagkamali tayo
07:45.6
for supporting this
07:48.8
Perhaps nagkamali tayo
07:50.1
for supporting this
07:54.7
Nasusulusyonan daw
07:55.6
ang crime at saka
07:57.3
Perhaps nagkamali tayo.
08:05.1
dito sa mga killings
08:09.3
Kian De Los Santos.
08:15.0
ito ba yung ating
08:17.9
yung ating kabataan?
08:20.4
para lang may kota.
08:23.8
May kota na lamabot
08:25.8
Ang papatayin natin
08:27.5
tapos yung mga tunoy
08:29.9
na kalabas ng bansa.
08:33.3
yun yung nakikita natin
08:40.0
Investigahan ito.
08:41.2
Suportahan ng ICC.
08:43.2
At hindi ako nagulat
08:45.6
dahil a month ago
08:46.7
nabanggit ko yan sa iyo
08:48.2
isang survey firm
08:54.8
ang laki ng support
08:57.4
even in Mindanao.
09:00.5
hindi ko alam kung kailan
09:01.5
nilalabas yung resulta nila.
09:03.7
Mukhang nauna sila
09:05.4
pero hindi pa nila nilalabas.
09:07.2
Kaya hindi ako nagulat
09:09.9
Dahil may nagsabi na sa akin
09:14.4
na ito yung resulta
09:15.4
ng kanilang internal survey.
09:17.8
Hindi ko nakasabihin
09:19.9
maglabas ng resulta.
09:30.9
na imamasaker niya
09:33.7
na mag-iimplement
09:34.6
ng international warrant.
09:36.8
Hindi alam ni Digong
09:37.7
lalo niyang dinidiin
09:39.3
yung kanyang salili.
09:40.6
Lalong nagiging totoo
09:44.6
at saka sa crimes
09:45.6
against humanity.
09:48.3
na imasaker ang ICC
09:58.5
ng Philippine National Police
10:03.0
ng mga human rights groups.
10:10.8
na mag-iimplement
10:12.6
international warrant.
10:17.4
Ganun siya ka-brazen.
10:24.4
You know what I'm saying?
10:28.0
Pero usually kasi
10:30.8
Yung kanyang pagiging
10:35.6
Chronically unhinged.
10:37.2
Walong taon siyang
10:40.3
Hindi ko sinasabi
10:42.0
ng mercy killing.
10:42.9
Wala kong sinasabing
10:50.9
yung pagka-unhinged.
10:51.7
I like your psychoanalysis there.
10:57.4
kung wala ka naman
10:58.9
wala kang ikakatakot.
11:00.3
Ganun din na sasabihin ko.
11:01.6
Kung wala naman talaga
11:02.3
silang ginawang mali
11:03.3
din dapat wala silang
11:06.5
na may talagang may ginawa
11:10.1
honestly I was thinking
11:12.1
Naalala mo si Eddie Hill
11:15.2
pag akong presidente
11:16.1
bayaran ko lahat ng utang
11:18.1
Yung pelokang itim.
11:21.7
Di ba pinagtawa lang natin.
11:23.4
But I was thinking about it.
11:24.8
Hindi ganun kalayo
11:25.6
yung ginawa ni Digong
11:27.0
dun sa ginawa ni Eddie Hill.
11:29.3
made pretty crazy
11:30.4
unrealistic promises.
11:35.6
yung kanyang casualties
11:36.7
kasi halos kasing
11:37.8
halos kapantay na
11:39.4
yung casualties sa Gaza.
11:45.8
35 na rin ngayon.
11:49.2
cannot even process it.
11:50.8
titignan mo naman
11:52.8
yung ginamit ng Israel.
11:55.1
the most powerful bombs.
12:11.6
had good intentions.
12:13.9
for the sake of argument.
12:15.0
Even if let's say
12:15.5
he had a good vision.
12:17.5
yung law enforcement ages
12:18.6
may compromise na sila
12:19.9
to begin with eh.
12:23.1
You created a permission
12:24.9
potentially for the
12:26.2
worst type of people
12:31.7
to do whatever they want.
12:34.8
that catastrophe.
12:36.9
natuwa ako Ronald
12:37.7
na hindi sumama yung AFP.
12:40.1
I think the moment
12:40.9
that the military said
12:41.9
ayaw namin makialam
12:43.0
dyan sa drug war na yan
12:44.9
helps save our democracy.
12:46.1
Imagine if the military
12:50.8
sumali dito sa drug war na yan.
12:52.3
Talagang narco-state
12:53.3
ang maging dating natin.
12:54.4
Hindi in terms of
12:55.4
my Pablo Escobar.
12:57.2
total weaponization
12:59.0
of this drug war.
13:01.0
sinadjust pa ni Ligong
13:03.8
revolutionary government
13:08.4
hindi rin sumangayay
13:10.1
dyan sa revolutionary
13:10.9
government na yan.
13:12.2
Kung hindi continuation
13:16.0
ng extrajudicial killings.
13:19.1
Kaya maganda itong
13:22.0
Sobrang, sobrang.
13:22.8
I'm sobrang heartened ako.
13:24.3
I'm sobrang heartened.
13:25.8
Ronald, let's be honest.
13:28.5
in one of our episodes?
13:30.2
Umamin tayong pareho
13:32.2
na biglang napaisip tayo.
13:34.6
mahal na mahal natin
13:36.6
And then sometimes
13:37.3
you see certain things
13:38.8
na medyo nakaka-dismaya.
13:42.0
ito opposite yung effect.
13:45.4
na yung faith natin
13:46.8
sa ating mga kababayan.
13:51.8
it was just a matter of
13:52.9
pasensyahan na lang natin
13:54.6
yung mga ibang mga kababayan natin.
13:55.9
Siguro the climate of fear
13:57.2
and disinformation
13:58.2
and manufactured crisis.
14:01.0
All of that distorted
14:02.0
perceptions and all.
14:03.4
Pero once I think
14:04.1
the cloud was cleared,
14:06.1
where the majority
14:06.9
of Filipinos stand.
14:14.9
So sobrang maliit.
14:17.1
At the numbers are moving.
14:19.0
It's going up and up.
14:20.2
So I won't be surprised.
14:20.8
The movement of numbers
14:23.3
Pero nakakasal pa rin ako
14:24.4
sa ating mga elites.
14:27.0
pinapackage yung sarili
14:28.2
as modernizing elites
14:30.9
Tuwing magjo-joke
14:33.5
about the Tokhang.
14:35.7
Nagtatawalan sila
14:36.5
at nagpapalakpakan.
14:41.2
Hindi natin babanggitin
14:42.3
pero hanapin ko yung mga video.
14:45.2
modernizing elites.
14:49.2
tungkol dito sa killings na ito.
14:50.8
Tungkol sa kanyang
14:53.2
tumatawa at mga palakpak.
14:59.0
na-share ko yung video
15:00.7
make us a province of China
15:02.0
tapos nagpalakpakan
15:02.8
yung mga nasa audience.
15:05.2
Forever na yung mga
15:05.9
province of China.
15:08.9
Team China sa Pilipinas.
15:14.3
Mahanap natin online.
15:16.9
Yung mga big business natin.
15:21.2
Talagang mga talamak yun.
15:23.1
na pinapackage yung
15:24.4
as the more educated,
15:25.8
the more intelligent,
15:40.4
actual killing happening.
15:45.9
you laugh at something
15:46.6
that actually is not a joke.
15:51.6
isang political analyst
15:56.2
sa European Union
16:04.6
Ambassador France
16:06.8
Yung isang political analyst
16:08.9
Ang sabi pa naman,
16:10.6
yung mga sinasabi
16:16.3
kahit kilala ko siya.
16:23.9
Alam ko, binigyan lang
16:26.0
Konting committee position
16:28.6
Oo, binigyan lang
16:30.8
ng konting position
16:37.5
yung mga sinasabi
16:39.6
Huwag mo i-take seriously
16:40.9
libo-libo yung patay.
16:42.2
Kaya napilitan ako
16:44.6
sa harapan ng mga
16:46.7
parliamentarians.
16:49.6
May mga ganyan na
16:51.6
sa progressive movement
16:53.5
sa reform movement.
16:57.5
Tapos pagkating na yun
16:59.3
turn the blind eye.
17:01.6
turn the blind eye
17:02.3
sinusuportahan pa.
17:04.8
medyo matanda na yung iba.
17:05.9
Pinagbigyan ko na lang.
17:07.3
medyo napikon ako
17:09.4
Nagdebate ka nga kami
17:11.0
what you're talking about eh.
17:13.9
I hope God will give him
17:21.4
ayoko na maulit yan eh.
17:25.1
gustong i-expose eh.
17:26.9
para never again.
17:27.8
Para hindi na uli maulit.
17:29.8
Yun yung problema ko eh.
17:31.5
At least nag-gender reveal na tayo
17:32.8
pero I won't go more than that.
17:34.9
Pero ang kinalaman dyan
17:36.7
Medyo nag-age reveal din.
17:41.8
Kaya pwede ko silang
17:42.9
ilabas yung mga pangalan.
17:45.7
Pag nakapag-reflect na ako
17:48.9
yun kasi yung problema ko.
17:50.9
iba sa mga kaibigan natin.
17:53.1
Like, how cheap diba?
17:54.1
Inimita lang kayo sa Malacanang
17:55.5
nakidina lang kay President.
17:57.1
Biglang pro na kayo.
17:58.4
Or binigyan lang kayo
17:59.2
ng kachipangan na position
18:01.3
kayawanan na committee.
18:04.3
all your principles
18:07.2
if you're gonna sell your soul,
18:08.5
might as well get something good out.
18:10.6
you're not even good in negotiating.
18:11.8
At the same time,
18:12.6
meron naman nag-scale up.
18:13.7
Alibaba si Bishop
18:17.2
tinretten pa siya ng TIGO.
18:19.6
tinretten pa siya.
18:20.4
Siya kayo ng President
18:21.1
ng Catholic Bishops Conference
18:22.7
of the Philippines.
18:24.3
isa sa pinakamaraming EJK
18:29.2
si Kian Del Santos.
18:31.5
yung mga kaibigan ni Kian
18:32.8
ng mga witnesses.
18:34.1
Kinasuhan pa sila
18:36.8
Including Sen. Riza.
18:39.1
ni-raid yung diocese
18:43.9
para kunin yung mga testigo
18:47.2
ni Kian Del Santos.
18:52.3
si Bishop Ambo David.
18:54.6
siya na yung head
18:56.9
Practically the head
18:57.8
of the Catholic Church
18:59.0
in the Philippines.
18:59.9
Ganyan yung mga kailangan natin.
19:05.9
sa mga threat ni Digong.
19:07.5
Nag-offer nga ako
19:08.2
sa kanya noon eh.
19:11.4
ng konting security precautions?
19:17.2
si Randy David noon
19:18.2
yung brother niya.
19:20.8
ng konting security precautions.
19:23.2
lalo na kung ganyan
19:25.9
Hindi mo unhinge.
19:28.9
Anything can happen.
19:29.8
Chronically unhinge.
19:31.1
Chronically unhinge.
19:32.0
Ayaw niya ng minimum
19:33.1
security precautions.
19:35.8
Yun yung quality.
19:36.3
May Holy Spirit na eh.
19:37.9
May Holy Spirit na
19:38.8
yung mga tao niya.
19:41.1
you are with the Holy Spirit,
19:43.2
sa mga ganyan threats
19:45.4
wala akong Holy Spirit.
19:47.2
kaya gagawa ko ng
19:50.8
Gagawa ko ng mga paraan
19:51.9
para hindi ako mabush.
19:53.6
Ikaw kasi may AK-47 ka
19:55.4
katulad ng pinag-usapan
19:56.5
natin sa previous episode.
19:58.3
let me put you on the spot.
19:59.8
Para lang to be fair.
20:02.6
about the argument na
20:04.0
kaya nga si Digong
20:06.1
manufacture this crisis
20:08.2
yung embers parang
20:10.8
your administration
20:13.0
didn't appear to do enough.
20:15.2
ng Aquino administration
20:16.2
with the drug problem?
20:18.3
it's nowhere as bad
20:21.5
the United Nations data
20:23.8
crystal methamphetamine.
20:25.2
Mukhang medyo malaki-laki
20:26.4
ang pumapasok dito.
20:28.7
when I interviewed Mahatir
20:29.6
when he was in Manila
20:30.6
visiting for an official visit,
20:32.6
I asking about the drug issue.
20:34.5
Mahatir is known as a dictator,
20:36.0
But he said something.
20:37.6
when it comes to drug problem,
20:38.9
you go at the supply.
20:43.5
even Mahatir was smart enough
20:44.9
to politely tell Digong
20:47.2
Which is what you were saying
20:48.6
Supply side dapat ang solution,
20:50.1
public health a focus.
20:51.5
But just for the sake of
20:52.8
reminding people,
20:54.4
do you think na may
20:56.6
ang reformist administration
20:58.5
from Ramos to Pinoy
21:00.4
in terms of dealing with this
21:01.6
na allowed for Digong
21:03.7
to exaggerate it?
21:04.7
I also googled it
21:05.7
because when I wrote the book
21:07.2
I wanted to understand
21:08.7
penal populism's appeal
21:12.4
yung slowness ng justice system,
21:13.9
lack of faith in human rights,
21:15.8
The other one I noticed is
21:17.1
there are a lot of
21:17.2
reports na yung Sinaloa
21:18.5
nakapasok pa sa Manila.
21:20.3
There was a raid in 2015
21:21.7
na batis Sinaloa.
21:24.1
the Philippines was becoming a hub
21:25.5
for crystal methamphetamine transport.
21:28.0
it's not 10 out of 10
21:31.7
but it was not like zero.
21:33.2
It was more like 6 out of 10.
21:36.8
but it was kind of problematic
21:38.3
or at least going that direction.
21:40.4
What did the Aquino administration
21:43.1
What is the truth of the matter?
21:46.6
baka may pagkakulang?
21:48.9
What's your take on that?
21:51.0
hindi ko sigurado yung numbers.
21:52.6
Hindi ko sigurado yung numbers.
21:55.6
problematic tayo sa drugs.
21:59.0
Even before the Aquino administration.
22:02.0
Even before the Aquino administration,
22:04.4
nagsisimula na yung problema na yan.
22:06.0
Huwag mong kalimutan
22:06.8
na yung nagpabagsak
22:11.6
ay konektado sa drugs.
22:14.3
Syndicate yan eh.
22:16.3
konektado sa prostitution,
22:18.3
money laundering,
22:19.8
konektado yan sa...
22:21.2
Bundle crime yan eh.
22:24.1
Kaya nga tawag syndicate eh.
22:25.7
It's a multifaceted
22:26.8
mafia type of organization
22:28.7
which never disappeared talaga.
22:32.3
Which never disappeared.
22:33.7
At with the opening of borders,
22:37.1
lalong naging fluid yung pagpasok niyaan.
22:44.1
ng Aquino government.
22:47.8
na-monitor namin doon
22:50.0
Pagsimulang paglaki
22:53.0
Doon ko first time narinig
22:54.4
yung salitang maute.
22:55.6
Dahil ang alam natin kasi,
22:58.9
ibang mga pangalan.
23:03.7
Nagsisimula yung sumulpot eh.
23:05.4
Nagsisimulang sumulpot.
23:07.1
Nung mga panayaan.
23:10.2
ay matagal na yan.
23:12.4
At with the opening of borders,
23:13.8
lalong naging malakas
23:16.8
yung pagpasok niyan.
23:19.6
kung ako ang presidente,
23:22.8
within the present rule of law,
23:25.8
mas babanatang ko
23:27.2
yung mga borders natin.
23:32.1
first few months pa lang ni Pinoy,
23:35.2
ng syndicate na Taiwanese eh.
23:38.7
na involved sa Sabu.
23:41.5
Nagkaroon nga lang issue dyan
23:42.6
dahil pinadala namin sila
23:46.4
Yan yung alalalo ko yun.
23:47.6
Ang laking problema.
23:49.1
Yan yung pinadala namin sila
23:51.2
itong mga syndicate na ito.
23:54.0
na may mga syndicate na ganyan.
24:00.8
merong mga protection yan
24:02.6
sa ating judiciary.
24:05.2
may protection yan
24:06.1
sa ating kapulisan eh.
24:08.3
paano mo siya ipe-purge?
24:09.9
Marami dyan mga judges eh.
24:13.7
risk kumita ng mga judges
24:15.1
pag pinawalang sala nila
24:17.0
ang isang drug lord.
24:19.2
Dyan yung maraming
24:20.5
nagahanap buhay dyan eh.
24:23.3
yun yung balancing act
24:25.2
between the rule of law
24:26.9
at yung strong arm tactics
24:29.3
to quell itong mga piskal,
24:33.0
at saka itong mga pulis na ito.
24:35.3
So may purge dapat.
24:36.8
So there should have been a purge.
24:39.1
A more aggressive response
24:40.3
dito sa mga corrupt
24:40.9
narco-politicians.
24:42.1
Pero alam mo naman,
24:43.1
because of the rule of law,
24:45.1
kakasuhan mo yan eh.
24:46.6
Kakasuhan mo yan.
24:47.4
Kailangan may testigo.
24:48.9
Tapos yung testigo,
24:49.9
poprotektahan mo.
24:53.5
yung mga biktima,
24:56.6
kailangan i-rehabilitate mo.
24:59.5
a certain amount of funds.
25:04.8
At saka expertise.
25:08.2
Yung ating mga barangay health services.
25:12.6
meron dyang negative campaign.
25:14.4
Pero at the same time,
25:15.2
merong positive campaign
25:16.5
dun sa harm reduction.
25:18.6
To rehabilitate the victims
25:20.6
rather than killing them.
25:27.1
baka kulang yung alim na taon na term.
25:30.1
Going back to our episode,
25:31.4
yeah, it's not enough.
25:33.0
nag-a-adjust ka pa lang eh.
25:34.1
Yung last year mo,
25:34.9
lame duck ka na eh.
25:36.6
you have four years.
25:38.3
Four years para mag-adjust.
25:40.1
Kaya nga sabi mo,
25:41.4
masyadong ma-except,
25:42.6
for a good president,
25:44.7
for a bad president.
25:46.7
Yun yung pinag-uusapan natin
25:48.3
in a separate episode.
25:50.0
So yan yung mga contradictions eh.
25:53.9
nga ang klaseng problema.
25:57.8
ang problema kay Pinoy,
25:59.2
wala namang background
26:00.2
sa ganyang klaseng
26:04.2
hindi naman niya strong point dyan eh.
26:07.5
hindi nga siya prepared
26:10.0
Corruption was an issue
26:18.1
Ako yung presidente.
26:20.0
Ang kukuling kong drugs,
26:21.4
yung mga tipo ni Ping Lakson.
26:24.4
Yung kinakatakutan
26:25.4
ng mga drug lords.
26:29.5
hindi ko sinasabi
26:30.2
na si Ping Lakson
26:31.0
yung kukuling ko.
26:33.8
Nasaan ba itong Big Five?
26:35.6
Meron tayong Big Five eh,
26:36.6
ng mga drug syndicates.
26:38.8
May listahan dyan ng mga polis eh.
26:40.1
Alam naman nila kung sino yan eh.
26:41.3
Open secret na yan.
26:44.1
Parang yung ating mga
26:46.7
Parang yung ating mga
26:51.2
Alam naman yan eh.
26:52.4
May listahan yan eh.
26:54.0
Ang kailangan nalang dyan,
26:56.0
Ang problema sa implementation,
26:59.5
marami sa ating mga
27:00.4
piskal at saka judges
27:02.0
Or in the pockets
27:03.1
nito mga syndicates
27:04.3
at saka kartel na ito.
27:06.7
alam mong ginawa sa
27:08.0
sa Latin America,
27:09.0
Guatemala yata yun.
27:11.1
ng isang department
27:12.0
para investigahan
27:14.7
drug lords na yan.
27:16.2
Nilagay nila sa isang
27:25.5
para hindi makidnap.
27:28.8
Para hindi magamit
27:29.9
laban doon sa mga judges.
27:32.2
Yun yung ginawa eh.
27:34.5
sa Latin America.
27:40.1
we can have something.
27:41.1
That's good talaga.
27:45.2
Diba yung ginawa sa Hong Kong?
27:46.3
Diba napaka-corrupt
27:47.3
ng Hong Kong dati?
27:58.8
Special task force.
28:02.9
dun sa mga local courts.
28:04.7
Hindi accountable
28:05.3
sa mga local courts
28:06.2
dahil yung mga local courts
28:08.1
ng system of corruption
28:09.1
at saka criminality.
28:11.7
pag-aralan yan eh.
28:13.7
pag ikaw na yung president,
28:14.9
pwede mo ko i-appoint
28:15.8
as a anti-drug czar.
28:18.6
a special forces.
28:20.2
we need a kind of
28:22.3
for fighting drugs
28:23.9
and criminality talaga
28:25.0
na may special mandato,
28:27.4
special regulatory
28:30.6
Inisip ko yung katulad
28:32.0
Operation Car Wash
28:35.7
They had to invest
28:36.6
in the vice president,
28:38.6
the house president.
28:39.3
And they got rid of everyone.
28:41.6
except si Bolsonaro
28:43.6
Hindi sila accountable
28:45.6
doon sa local courts.
28:47.5
I think we need something
28:48.2
like Brazil also,
28:49.1
Operation Car Wash.
28:50.0
But minus the bad things
28:54.1
But that's a good point.
28:55.7
And you also need
28:56.9
someone like Rudy Giuliani,
28:58.2
not their latest one,
28:59.8
that caught the mafias
29:08.7
outside rule of law,
29:12.3
by being inventive
29:14.5
parallel specialized
29:16.6
and organizations
29:24.3
Pero still within
29:26.3
of the rule of law.
29:31.4
yung mga biktima.
29:33.6
Kaya nga special force.
29:34.7
Hindi yung bara-bara
29:36.8
yung buong lugar.
29:37.6
You wanna go after
29:39.5
the whole village.
29:40.2
You go after Bin Laden,
29:41.6
you send the Navy SEAL.
29:42.6
Parang ganun yung idea.
29:44.0
Tapos yung nag-i-implement
29:49.2
sa drug syndicates.
29:51.5
Na pinapatay pala nila
29:53.0
yung kanilang mga rivals.
29:56.0
yung sarili nilang
29:59.6
Diba yun yung problema
30:00.4
dahil walang checks eh.
30:02.0
Diba walang check eh.
30:05.7
For all you know,
30:06.8
yung nag-i-implement
30:08.2
ay may relasyon din
30:13.2
nag-eliminate lang sila
30:14.9
ng footprint nila.
30:16.0
Papatayin yung mga
30:20.7
just to end on this episode,
30:22.0
ang basa ko dito is
30:22.8
there was a lot of
30:26.2
na na-exploit ni Digong.
30:27.6
Pero the bara-bara solution,
30:29.2
the barangay chairman
30:31.0
doesn't solve it.
30:35.4
surgical approach.
30:36.7
Parang special forces,
30:38.6
and there's no lack of models.
30:40.2
I like the Latin American
30:41.2
examples or Hong Kong
30:42.9
kasi malalata lang yung
30:43.7
situation sa kanila.
30:45.0
And they were able to do that
30:46.1
in similar conditions.
30:48.4
sana pag-aralan na mabuti.
30:49.5
At yun yung wala kay Digong eh.
30:50.7
Hindi niya pinag-aralan eh.
30:51.7
Di na-arabara lang niya eh.
30:53.2
At maganda yung sinasabi mo
30:54.7
na lumalabas ngayon
30:58.9
merong political base
31:02.5
in a different mode,
31:05.1
anti-drug campaign na yan.
31:07.6
pero para maayos yan,
31:09.3
kinakailangan mo muna
31:11.2
ano ba nangyari sa Tokhang?
31:14.5
ganun yung imperative
31:16.1
na pinapakita ng survey eh.
31:19.3
na walang nangyari
31:21.3
anti-drug campaign
31:22.6
at lalo pang lumalay
31:25.4
At the same time,
31:26.2
ang daming namatay
31:28.3
na hindi naman dapat namatay.
31:31.7
dito sa mga survey
31:34.0
It's a reckoning eh.
31:35.2
It's a reckoning.
31:37.9
ni Presidente Bongbong
31:39.1
sa logical conclusion
31:41.7
mumultuhin at mumultuhin siya
31:43.2
ng problema na yan.
31:44.5
Kailangan dali na niya eh.
31:46.4
Kailangan dali na niya
31:47.4
sa logical conclusion.
31:49.4
This is his voice of truth.
31:51.4
if there's one time na
31:52.2
I don't want him to be
31:53.1
conflict avoidant,
31:54.1
probably is this one.
31:55.2
Kailangan talaga niya panindigan.
31:57.3
you were elected a president
31:58.5
to make tough choices,
31:59.5
not to make easy choices
32:05.0
mga pakit na gano'n.
32:06.6
ilang pakit populism.
32:08.3
We need decisive leadership.
32:10.2
he can hit multiple birds
32:12.0
with one stone, right?
32:13.4
He can do something popular,
32:14.9
he can do something morally right,
32:16.4
and then he can also
32:17.1
papogi his family.
32:20.3
oversees judicial reform
32:21.8
and justice for EJKs.
32:23.6
He could go down in history
32:24.7
in a very ironically positive way,
32:27.3
Win-win sa kanya yan.
32:28.5
Win-win talaga yan.
32:29.4
In a Chinese way,
32:30.4
win-win talaga yan sa kanya.
32:32.6
I really enjoyed this episode
32:34.6
medyo emotional tong issue na to.
32:36.4
May mga nagsabi na
32:37.2
may mga lambat-sibat?
32:40.2
also special operation
32:41.2
during time of Pinoy?
32:42.8
we can have a different discussion
32:43.7
about Pinoy style.
32:45.4
Secretary Llamas,
32:46.1
for also having a fair assessment
32:47.9
of yung mga pakakulang
32:49.1
ng dating administration
32:50.2
but without exaggerating
32:51.6
their shortcomings
32:53.1
and giving credence
32:54.9
populist antics ni Digong.
32:58.3
thank you very much.
32:59.6
pag-usapan naman natin
33:00.9
ang Armed Forces of the Philippines
33:03.2
because the Philippine Armed Forces
33:04.6
is now going through
33:05.3
massive transformation.
33:07.4
36 billion dollars
33:09.0
budget ang i-allocate
33:10.7
trillions of pesos
33:12.8
of more advanced weaponry.
33:15.4
Secretary Llamas?
33:17.2
this is thanks to Pinoy.
33:18.5
This is the revised
33:19.4
AFP modernization act
33:20.7
that was passed in 2011
33:21.7
and came into being
33:24.6
simulan natin yan
33:25.3
kasi sa inyo nagsimula yan,
33:26.9
Secretary Llamas.
33:28.9
did a very good job
33:30.1
getting the ball rolling.
33:31.0
So, I want to ask you
