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00:00.0
Guys, finally may reunion after, I think 2019 was the last time na we had a conversation.
00:06.7
Of course, back then, this was for GMA Network with former Senator Sonny Trillianes,
00:12.5
also a fellow academic of mine.
00:14.0
Both of us now teaching UP, so also a colleague in many ways.
00:19.1
Thank you so much, Senator Sonny Trillianes, for joining us.
00:23.2
Thank you very much, Richard, for inviting me again dito sa show mo.
00:28.2
Okay, bago tayo pumunta sa mga seryosong issue, bago pag-usapan ng mga, I don't know, fentanyl and polvoron and all of that.
00:36.6
Parang, sir, bumata kayo lalo ngayon. Parang lahat mo mabata ngayon.
00:43.8
Nawala nang major stressor nung natapos yung term ni Duterte, sir, siguro.
00:50.3
Kasi kahit si Senator Delima rin, kausap ko, sabi ko, Senator Delima, parang fresh dying.
00:56.3
I mean, of course, our case is a bit extreme.
00:58.2
Pero pansin ko, kahit yung mga iba off the record ko na umimit, parang bumata ka. Parang bumata ka rin.
01:03.4
Sabi ko, alam natin bakit. So, speaking of, you know, man of the hour or more like ex-president,
01:10.8
Rodrigo Duterte, before we go to the ICC issue and some of the issues that you have been very vocal about,
01:16.0
bago tayong awayan ni Lahari Roque and the rest, let's go back.
01:20.3
Remember, so back in 2019, nag-usap tayo. You told us very interesting things on the record about
01:26.0
Digong was considering you as a running mate.
01:28.2
Even at some point, I mean, parang he was sending feelers to you, even at some point.
01:32.5
Can you tell us a little bit, like, what's your context of getting to know Digong, not like friendly basis,
01:39.1
pero ano yung mga first major encounters mo sa kanya before he became the president?
01:43.8
I think the first time ko siya na-meet personally was noong 2013 elections.
01:53.1
Ang pagkakilala naman ng mga national politicians kay Duterte at that time is,
01:58.2
ano lang, parang general Dirty Harry reputation.
02:03.4
Pero hindi nyo naman, ano, hindi yung to the extent na alam mong meron siyang death squad na talagang pinabampatay.
02:11.8
It's just, parang before that, ganyan din reputation ni President Erap when he was mayor of San Juan,
02:20.0
ganyan din reputation ni Fred Lim nung siya mayor ng Manila. General, ganon.
02:26.7
noong 2016 elections, parating, that was 2015,
02:34.3
a common friend namin arranged a meeting between Duterte and myself dito sa Ortigas.
02:43.6
Kaya mali yung fake news yung sinasabi that I went to Davao to apply to be his vice president.
02:50.9
Anyway, yung grupo kasi namin, yung magdala, wanted to really get to know,
02:56.7
yung mga prospective candidates for 2016.
03:00.1
So, that's Mar Rojas, Senator Grispo, si Binay, of course.
03:06.6
Eto si Duterte, unknown, ano siya eh, entity.
03:12.1
Except for the myth.
03:13.6
So, kailangan namin.
03:13.9
Dark horse. Medyo dark horse.
03:16.1
Before we would throw, kumaga, our support to sa isang kandidato, kailangan namin alamin.
03:24.4
Hence, that meeting.
03:26.7
Um, kaso dun sa noong nag-meeting kami, right from, kumaga, from the start ng conversation,
03:33.3
sinabi niya na na hindi siya tatakbo, no?
03:35.9
This was around April of 2015.
03:39.2
Remember, this guy kept on denying that he will, that he's, no, that he will run.
03:45.1
So, dini-deny niya until, yun na nga, December siya.
03:48.7
So, noong time na nag-usap kami, he told me up front na hindi siya tatakbo.
03:54.1
So, hindi talaga totoo that, uh, nag-a...
03:57.6
Nag-apply ako for, ano?
03:58.9
Hindi nga sa kandidate.
04:00.6
Anyway, I took advantage of that meeting just to get insights from the man, no?
04:06.0
Kung ano ba talaga to?
04:07.2
Sinasabing lang, magaling, ano?
04:08.5
Then, tinanong ko, ano bang mga pananaw nyo?
04:11.6
Ano mga solusyon nyo sa mga problema ng bayan?
04:14.9
Pero, alam mo, dun sa one hour and a half na meeting namin yun,
04:18.7
ni isang segundo ron, hindi niya dinivote sa pagbigay ng mga solusyon sa problema ng bayan.
04:26.7
Ang mga kunento lang niya, mga kabastusan, mga macho war stories, mga pinapatay, mga pinatay niya, mga ganon.
04:38.1
Akala niya, ma-impress ako sa kanya, being a former soldier, nagpapa, ano siya, nagpapaka macho, ano siya.
04:45.7
Siya yung mga war stories din niya.
04:47.9
Kaso, so after that meeting, talagang negative yung impression ko sa kanya.
04:52.5
Because the meeting was intended for us to know.
04:56.7
So, the man, titignan namin kung ano to.
04:59.3
So, I went back to my group, sabi ko, in the first place, hindi rin ako sa kandidato.
05:05.9
Pero, ang assessment ko is may problema to sa pag-iisip.
05:11.5
That's being honest.
05:13.1
Kasi, normally, kung hitman ka, yung mindset mo, di ba, you kill people.
05:19.8
But you don't really brag about it.
05:21.4
Subtle ka, you're subtle, yeah.
05:24.5
Talagang pinagmamalaki niya.
05:26.1
So, may problema ito on so many levels.
05:29.3
So, sabi ko nga, ang saving grace, hindi rin ako sa tatakbo.
05:32.7
So, when this guy finally declared to run for president,
05:36.7
yung buong conversation namin na yun, that happened months before,
05:40.7
talagang came flooding back in.
05:43.3
Na tipong, teka muna, hindi ito pwede maging presidente ng Pilipinas.
05:48.8
May problema ito.
05:51.4
So, yun na ngayon.
05:52.1
It became our advocacy to really,
05:55.2
um, prevent him from being president.
05:59.0
But, obviously, we failed at that.
06:01.8
But, of course, your first attempt at trying to prevent him from becoming the president
06:05.4
is yung bank account issue, di ba?
06:07.3
At, eventually, I'm not blaming you, pero nadama yung buong ABS-CBN, right?
06:11.8
I think that's one of the...
06:16.5
Hindi siya related?
06:18.1
Hindi siya related.
06:20.1
Si Duterte, magaling siya mag-mask.
06:23.7
Maglalabas siya ng mga pretext to cover the real agenda in anything.
06:29.8
Ija-justify niya yung pagpatay sa mga tao.
06:33.4
Ija-justify niya yung mag-ship niya sa China.
06:36.9
Marami siya mga pretext.
06:38.7
Ngayon, yung pag-shutdown sa ABS,
06:41.2
ang sinasabi niya was,
06:43.0
dahil naglabas daw ako ng negative ad,
06:45.6
ABS-CBN daw yung naglabas.
06:48.1
Eh, GMA7, naglabas din ako ng negative ad, eh.
06:50.8
Ya, alam ko, multiple, ano eh.
06:52.8
Pag-areas yun, eh.
06:53.7
Kaya ano lang, mga palusot lang niya yan.
06:56.4
But, he really wanted to get ABS-CBN.
07:00.0
Sine-take down lang niya
07:01.1
para the offer will come.
07:04.9
Kaso hindi binigay ng Lopez family, eh.
07:08.3
Nung sine-take down,
07:09.8
tapos nag-offer sila,
07:11.5
hindi tinanggap, no?
07:16.0
Anyway, yun lang yun.
07:18.2
I mean, obviously, I mean,
07:19.1
I just wanted to, for the purpose of clarity, diba,
07:23.7
obviously, hindi yun yung first time na
07:25.3
he were pushing back against him.
07:26.7
Of course, throughout his presidency,
07:30.0
mukhang nasaubrang pikon niya sa'yo.
07:33.2
Nawala daw nila yung documents mo.
07:35.2
Like, yung napardon ka by PINAL.
07:40.6
was it as crazy as you thought you'll be?
07:42.6
Or was it just, I mean,
07:44.3
you were already telling na may impression ka na
07:46.1
you were expecting that it will go that bad, diba?
07:48.6
And the whole thing in the Senate,
07:50.9
kind of parang hindi namin alam
07:52.3
kung susugurin yung Senado,
07:54.3
Can you tell us a little bit about that episode also, Senator?
07:57.5
Before it got to that point,
08:00.6
nag-attempt siya na ipapatay ako, no?
08:02.8
And inutusan niya,
08:04.6
si Mismong si Lascañas,
08:08.1
by some twist of events,
08:10.9
eh, naging testigo, no?
08:12.3
So, hindi natuloy yung assassination plot.
08:14.9
Then, nag-attempt sila to have,
08:16.8
to implicate me sa isang murder
08:18.6
sa loob ng Bilibid.
08:21.3
some of the generalists of PNP,
08:23.7
who happens to be PNP graduates as well,
08:26.2
hindi nila pinatulan.
08:28.1
Sabi lang, hindi,
08:30.5
it will not hold.
08:33.4
a similar thing as yung kay Senator Dilima
08:39.1
Kaso, hindi natuloy yun.
08:41.0
Ngayon, naghanap sila ng iba pang,
08:43.6
pwedeng ikaso sa akin.
08:44.7
So, wala kasi mahanap.
08:46.3
So, itong si Kalida
08:48.1
came up with this,
08:51.3
brilliantly stupid idea.
08:58.4
dahil nawala yung document.
09:01.5
hindi naman nawala.
09:02.5
Kahit na it was covered by the media
09:07.5
ganun ang nangyari.
09:12.1
the declaration itself
09:13.4
was very specific.
09:23.7
hindi siya sinunod ng AFP
09:25.3
kaya siya nagmaktol.
09:27.6
He was advised na
09:29.0
if he would do that,
09:32.8
madidemoralize yung ranks.
09:38.8
this is without prejudice,
09:40.2
but my question here is,
09:42.3
yung pagiging ex-military mo,
09:45.1
a lot of them come from
09:46.1
very honored ranks
09:47.1
in the armors of the Philippines.
09:48.9
Did you think that that was giving you
09:50.4
some sort of protection
09:51.3
or that gave you an
09:53.7
I'm not questioning your courage,
09:55.6
didn't that give you extra courage
09:57.9
may konting hollow around you?
10:02.3
my background as a soldier
10:07.0
mental resilience
10:12.6
ng klaseng kaaway.
10:16.4
connection nga sa
10:24.8
dun sa mga ilang attempts
10:31.2
na huwag nung gawin ito,
10:33.7
napo-frustrate na
10:35.9
he was demonizing me,
10:39.2
he was belittling
10:40.2
kung ano man yung
10:41.4
ginawa namin sa OCO
10:45.7
sinusumbat pa niya yung
10:51.6
they did not turn
11:01.1
kung ano yung tama
11:03.8
ginagawa niya mas mali.
11:06.0
That's a very important point
11:07.3
kasi para sa akin,
11:08.4
dalawang institutional
11:11.5
I think the media
11:14.2
very important role.
11:17.8
General Lorenzana,
11:18.8
Secretary Lorenzana,
11:20.1
mahalaga, for instance,
11:20.8
yung meeting nila
11:23.7
When Digong was calling
11:24.9
for all-out martial law,
11:28.1
Digong was trying to
11:29.0
bring in the military
11:31.6
the reason I'm saying this
11:33.0
marami tayong mga kaibigan
11:35.3
na generally skeptical
11:37.0
Alam mo naman yan,
11:38.9
I always remind them,
11:40.6
hindi perfecto yung
11:41.6
Armed Forces of the Philippines.
11:43.2
like any military
11:43.9
can raise issues.
11:46.3
they were the last guardians
11:48.5
of the Philippine democracy.
11:50.4
kung tinignan mo,
11:53.7
far less talented
11:54.8
or far less aggressive
11:56.8
They were able to
11:57.3
completely overturn
11:59.2
the latest one is this
12:00.2
millennial dictator
12:06.3
stands at ground,
12:07.3
it's very important
12:08.0
for the protection
12:09.9
I like talking to you
12:11.9
because you also have
12:12.6
that kind of connection
12:14.0
And I'll be honest,
12:15.4
during that time,
12:16.1
I also had constant
12:16.7
conversation with the folks
12:19.1
with Secretary Lorenzana,
12:20.4
because of my works
12:21.1
at West Philippine City,
12:21.8
which we'll discuss later on.
12:23.7
before tayo pupunta
12:31.6
Duterte will be forced
12:33.8
his six-year term?
12:37.0
If we describe him
12:38.9
he's an interesting case
12:40.3
who actually had to
12:41.2
eventually step down
12:42.5
after a single term
12:45.7
to engineer the succession
12:47.0
because the daughter
12:48.1
was in a very good position
12:49.1
based on all surveys
12:51.8
a little bit about
12:54.8
of the Duterte presidency
12:56.3
and the failed engineering
12:57.7
of the succession
12:58.4
for his daughter to come in?
13:00.2
she's still there
13:00.9
as a vice president,
13:01.9
but ibang usapan yan.
13:05.6
a little bit about
13:08.6
and also what was
13:09.8
going through your mind?
13:10.6
Because for a fact,
13:11.9
alam ko may maraming
13:12.8
traumatized nung time na yan.
13:16.4
hindi manala si Digong,
13:17.7
baka manala si Marcos,
13:19.6
I remember very well
13:21.5
having a hard time
13:24.3
ako naman sinasabi ko,
13:26.0
he's not going beyond
13:28.3
your take on that?
13:34.5
wanted to stay in power
13:37.0
beyond the six-year term.
13:39.5
Nag-attempt siya,
13:40.5
flinoat niya yung
13:42.3
revolutionary government.
13:49.9
Itong charter change,
13:51.3
ang gusto niya mangyari,
13:53.4
yung transitory provisions
13:55.0
that the executive
13:56.7
will have legislative
13:58.3
and judicial power
14:03.2
Revolutionary government,
14:04.8
Yeah, essentially.
14:05.5
Revolutionary president.
14:08.7
yung gagawin niya.
14:11.6
Kaso hindi nga umubra.
14:13.2
So, ginawa niya lahat.
14:16.2
martial law initially.
14:19.7
gusto niya expand yun.
14:20.7
Nag-ahanap siya ng pretext
14:24.5
Hindi nangyari, no?
14:26.1
And the thing about
14:29.0
related din doon sa kanina
14:30.2
ang sinabi mo na yun.
14:31.6
He went around camps,
14:33.0
hinihikayat niya,
14:33.9
sumama kayo sa war on drugs
14:35.7
magkakasabwat na tayo
14:37.5
pagka sumama kayo.
14:39.2
Ang what he feel...
14:40.5
I think blood pact
14:42.2
I think blood pact.
14:42.6
What he failed to understand
14:47.1
kahit marami mga sundalo na
14:49.1
na maka-Duterte, ah,
14:51.0
hindi sila makakasunod
14:53.1
of the chain of command.
15:01.7
Secretary Lorenzana
15:09.8
black and white order.
15:12.1
You must command.
15:13.9
Pag sinabihan mo ng utos
15:15.2
yung chief of staff,
15:21.1
ayaw niya magbigay ng
15:23.8
kasi may liability siya.
15:25.6
So, gusto niya yung
15:28.5
you will take the initiative.
15:30.1
Hindi ganun yun, no?
15:37.3
Senator Marco Rubio,
15:47.9
they became instruments
15:51.8
Pero yung sa military,
15:52.5
tinatanong niya ako,
15:54.1
should I do the same
15:59.6
Appropriations Committee, eh.
16:05.2
kasi hindi naman sumama, eh.
16:07.1
Hindi naman sumama.
16:14.8
kasi maraming mga
16:19.8
that saved the day
16:24.0
credit kaila, ano yan,
16:25.6
Secretary Lorenzana,
16:32.8
exactly, exactly.
16:34.5
hindi sila sumunod, no?
16:36.7
Alam nila pa rin yung,
16:39.8
hindi rin sila implicated
16:42.0
Had they done so,
16:43.1
may tama rin sila dapat.
16:47.9
ginawa niya talaga ito,
16:49.9
ni Duterte lahat,
16:51.0
in-exhaust niya lahat.
16:54.2
one thing also na nag-save
16:55.8
siguro sa Pilipinas,
16:57.4
silver lining to, no?
16:59.4
tragedy yung COVID,
17:04.0
Because of the pandemic,
17:06.0
naanawalan siya ng
17:13.7
we emerged from the pandemic,
17:18.0
he didn't have any choice
17:21.7
which was the elections.
17:25.1
kaso hindi talaga
17:30.6
yung ginawa sa...
17:31.7
Kasi idol niya si Putin, eh.
17:32.9
So, I won't be surprised.
17:34.6
yung temporary president,
17:36.5
pero ako pa rin yung president
17:38.3
Parang remote control lang
17:42.2
eh, hindi nga marketable.
17:43.7
No matter how hard
17:45.8
hindi talaga malunok
17:47.7
Pilipino yung prospects
18:01.4
Makakontra lang sa tatay niya.
18:02.9
Hindi nga, sinunod.
18:06.0
nari-realize nila
18:07.5
yung blunder nila.
18:08.6
But it's too late.
18:13.8
si President Marcos
18:19.8
unexpected turn of events.
18:27.9
I know there was a time
18:28.7
si Isco pa nga yata,
18:29.6
mas pantaas pa sa kanya
18:31.2
statistically tied sila
18:33.4
So, for someone to go
18:34.3
from 13, 15 percent
18:38.3
that's quite a jump.
18:39.6
And I'm saying this
18:40.2
from solid north right now
18:45.0
I wanna rewind back
18:46.2
a little bit dito sa issue
18:48.6
this has not been covered
18:52.8
progressive people,
18:53.7
there's always this kind of
18:54.6
affiness with the military.
18:56.5
because of my nature of my work,
18:57.6
I'm very comfortable
18:58.2
talking about military
18:59.0
and giving them credit.
19:02.2
kasi sa New York Times
19:03.8
Not Duterte's Army.
19:05.6
Because my contention
19:09.4
Duterte never achieved
19:14.2
subjective control.
19:16.3
we can have some debates
19:19.1
yung professionalization.
19:21.1
politicization happened
19:22.1
but I don't think
19:27.9
what's your reading
19:31.9
with our analysis kanina,
19:33.1
parang labas yan is
19:36.0
or not courageous
19:38.6
to its logical limit.
19:41.2
the supply side eh.
19:42.5
The other side is also
19:45.0
would have been also
19:49.6
When he totally politicized
19:51.7
controlled the military.
19:53.7
a little bit about
19:54.3
the other side also?
19:55.7
Kasi agree ako doon
19:57.5
It takes competence
20:00.2
competent enough, right?
20:05.5
courageous enough
20:16.9
And during the latter
20:25.2
Sila General Liano,
20:27.7
So, nag-spill over yan
20:28.8
nung panahon na ni
20:31.5
na-professionalize
20:49.6
General Bautista type.
20:54.4
snappy na tinatawag.
21:16.1
ito yung situation,
21:33.3
communist movement.
21:35.0
nag-power sharing
21:37.6
Catholic secretaries.
21:40.2
ang problema niya nun,
21:46.7
ando dun sa kanya,
21:49.2
nag-old goal siya.
21:50.7
gold siya anyway.
21:54.0
hindi niya ngayon
22:01.3
yung indoctrination,
22:06.0
na-realize lang nila yan
22:12.8
na patayin yung mga
22:15.9
eventually sinabi niya,
22:17.0
o patayin nyo to,
22:20.7
Pero it was too late.
22:24.4
Papunta na talaga sa
22:36.7
Kung rep-government,
22:38.7
Marcelo sasama yun.
22:41.0
he was not competent enough,
22:42.6
he cannot present a plan,
22:44.9
courageous enough.
22:47.8
that's one of the
22:48.6
paradoxes of Digong.
22:52.2
the decisive guy.
22:57.8
parang ang daming
22:58.8
moments of indecision.
23:00.3
response to pandemic.
23:01.5
Ay, okay lang yan.
23:02.3
At hindi okay yan
23:07.4
Just to be honest about it,
23:09.9
the correct term.
23:10.8
But last point on this one,
23:13.8
I'm talking about this
23:16.1
especially in our circles,
23:19.4
inappreciate yung role.
23:20.7
Wala ng military.
23:21.9
I want to keep on
23:22.6
coming back to this.
23:23.4
And I think you're the
23:23.9
perfect person to talk to,
23:27.0
What about the role
23:28.5
Don't you think that
23:29.9
always was worried na
23:31.3
hindi ko maano to
23:32.5
kasi may U.S. element.
23:34.2
And I don't mean it
23:37.5
institutional linkages,
23:40.5
you know what I'm saying?
23:43.0
was the U.S. element?
23:44.1
And I'm asking you
23:44.7
because, you know,
23:45.2
you constantly dealt
24:01.5
baka mag-backfire
24:06.4
for the first time.
24:07.8
May military schooling
24:10.6
Military schooling
24:12.4
So, para ma-co-op,
24:25.5
binadmouth niya yung U.S.
24:26.9
Ang dami niyang ways, eh,
24:28.7
influensyaan yung
24:32.5
nakalagay sa, ano eh,
24:38.3
Masyado nang malalim
24:42.8
Kaya, in the end,
24:44.0
yung relationship
24:50.4
to person relationship,
24:59.6
directly connecting
25:02.2
with the Philippine
25:03.6
military leaders.
25:07.0
Binabypass na yung
25:08.1
usual channels like
25:15.4
tipong mag-rev-gov siya,
25:21.9
relationship na yun
25:24.6
to the side of democracy.
25:26.9
And let's not forget,
25:29.0
this is the time of Trump
25:30.1
we're talking about mostly.
25:32.0
nakabutan lang niya
25:32.7
ka Obama sa tulo.
25:33.8
And I think deep inside,
25:37.1
you don't mess around with.
25:38.4
I don't think Trump
25:39.2
could afford to lose
25:40.4
a treaty ally to China
25:41.9
in the midst of everything.
25:44.2
we both know stuff,
25:45.5
but we'll just say it
25:46.4
off the record na lang.
25:48.3
I have my own information
25:51.8
ay naka-opo lang,
25:54.1
we're with some of them,
25:55.2
some very top officials
25:56.2
dun sa shows ko and all.
25:59.4
that's why I asked
26:00.6
about the US elements.
26:02.1
that it looks like
26:06.0
Civil-military relations,
26:08.2
People always forget
26:09.2
a democracy survival
26:13.2
robust civil-military relations
26:15.2
the military not being
26:17.4
So, yun ang feeling kong
26:18.9
yun ang kahinaan ng usual.
26:20.7
Philippine politics
26:24.6
balik tayo dun sa
26:29.7
papunta na tayo sa
26:31.3
the whole fentanyl
26:33.9
Before asking you
26:34.8
whether you agree
26:35.4
with BBM and all,
26:37.6
I also keep in mind,
26:39.1
Senator Trillianas,
26:41.9
a lot of successful populists,
26:43.3
whether it's Modi,
26:45.4
I can go on and on,
26:56.0
he was not at his
26:58.1
to put it nicely,
27:00.7
accusations nung iba.
27:04.7
kailangan na medyo
27:11.9
in his 40s and 50s,
27:15.5
all of these successful
27:17.5
or full dictators
27:22.3
possibly an aspect?
27:23.6
I'm talking about
27:35.6
kung competent siya,
27:44.2
Magaling siya magbluff,
27:46.6
kinol yung bluff niya,
27:48.6
nagbabackdown siya,
27:50.3
yung ginagawa niya eh.
27:52.3
may mga gano'n na
27:59.2
yung sa age kasi,
28:01.4
even nung time na yun,
28:04.4
oh, may sakit na raw,
28:07.3
information namin
28:17.7
ginagalang buhay.
28:19.6
Nag-stem cell yata siya eh.
28:22.1
parang nag-stem cell siya eh.
28:23.6
Yung time na medyo
28:24.4
tumiiba yung kulay niya.
28:26.1
regeneration after stem cell
28:27.7
siguro yan or something.
28:29.3
So, wishful thinking.
28:30.3
I think there was a lot
28:31.0
of wishful thinking.
28:34.9
Ginagamit niya yung card na yun
28:36.1
when it's convenient
28:40.9
you mean paawa effect?
28:46.3
Ginagamit niya yun
28:47.0
when it's convenient
28:50.6
hindi siya naging
28:52.8
presentation niya na,
28:58.2
he tries to intimidate people,
29:01.8
yung age niya eh.
29:05.1
it could have been
29:08.3
mas decisive siya
29:11.2
kailangan pa niya.
29:13.1
the reason I'm saying is
29:13.9
because may mga nakakausap ako
29:15.6
na not necessarily
29:18.0
And they were saying,
29:19.1
kung na-meet mo si Digong
29:20.0
nung 40-year-old,
29:21.0
50-year-old pa siya,
29:21.7
yung makulit-makulit pa siya,
29:27.0
I'm hearing from these people
29:28.1
na hindi fan ni Digong.
29:29.8
a part of me was thinking
29:30.7
maybe it's also because
29:31.8
he was not at his sharpest,
29:33.5
if I can put it nicely.
29:35.9
a perfect transition
29:36.7
to what's happening now.
29:41.9
surprise, surprise,
29:43.3
Digong attacking BBM.
29:44.7
He was doing that
29:45.4
from the very day na
29:48.5
for the Malacanang.
29:51.6
may article na ako
29:52.4
na the House of Duterte
29:54.6
shadowing the House of Duterte.
29:56.4
we've been seeing
30:01.9
without fences, right?
30:03.7
if you put a tiger and lion,
30:05.3
it's just inevitable.
30:10.8
Are you surprised
30:12.0
by how crazy things are?
30:14.9
we would have expected,
30:17.0
to openly go there.
30:19.0
mag-resign na si Digong.
30:20.2
The father coming out
30:21.6
drug addict ng presidente.
30:22.9
Calling on the military
30:24.0
to, I don't know,
30:24.5
join some secession,
30:26.2
And this is very important
30:27.0
because General Año,
30:29.7
Secretary Galvez,
30:31.0
very strongly came against
30:32.3
this Mindanao secession,
30:35.2
discussing a while ago.
30:36.7
It's professionalism
30:37.8
of these men in uniform
30:38.9
or ex-men in uniform
30:41.3
What is your read of that?
30:42.3
Isn't this even too crazy
30:43.5
by, I don't know,
30:44.2
Digong's standard?
30:44.9
Or you're saying,
30:48.2
what we should have expected?
30:54.4
itong latest outburst
31:02.0
fourth attempt niya na
31:06.1
There was this January thing,
31:09.5
yung mass assassination
31:14.9
tambalus-loss issue,
31:17.7
yan, impeachment.
31:20.5
yung calling on the AFP
31:23.3
to audit yung Congress.
31:26.6
Tapos itong Paul Boron.
31:28.3
Itong Paul Boron,
31:31.3
na-overestimate ni
31:33.2
ni Digong yung ano niya eh.
31:36.3
Sila na ngayon yung
31:38.2
nung echo chamber effect eh.
31:40.1
He drank his full aid.
31:41.9
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:42.7
So, dun sa social media,
31:46.1
so, talagang napakainit nila.
31:48.6
And we were monitoring it,
31:50.2
sabi ko, masyadong,
31:52.2
highly charged na yung
31:56.5
everything was normal.
32:01.1
uputok na yun, no?
32:03.7
nakuha nila itong
32:05.2
isang general na retired,
32:10.3
na nagmamanifesto
32:14.9
can I resume, like,
32:18.0
withdraw their support?
32:25.1
but I want to ask you.
32:28.0
ayokong i-underestimate yun
32:29.3
kasi nakikita ko yung mga
32:30.6
chat groups na yun,
32:32.0
yung mga military,
32:35.1
initial manifesto,
32:39.0
Nakaka-ano yun eh,
32:40.4
nakaka-influence yun
32:44.9
ang problema nun was
32:52.1
Yun ang problema nila.
32:54.1
And they were expecting,
32:55.4
assuming there was one,
33:05.1
magkikrip in yun eh
33:13.1
ginawa lang ni Duterte,
33:14.9
but the difference was
33:16.6
when he was president,
33:18.2
yung bully pulpit niya
33:27.8
na walang pushback
33:32.6
nakahagip nung balita na yun.
33:41.2
classic gables na
33:44.4
over and over again.
33:46.3
If you repeat a lie
33:47.1
over and over again
33:47.9
for a thousand times,
33:49.1
it's gonna look like
33:53.3
Mukhang na-disconnect tayo
33:54.5
ni Senator Trilliana
33:55.8
sa one second lang guys.
34:02.7
kay Senator Trilliana
