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That's also where the opposition should stand

on this issue. Kasi ang laki ng

debate ngayon. May mga opposition na never

mark us. So, at the end

of the day, they're still skeptical

about BBM. They feel na this is just

a, this is a, I don't know,

wolf in a sheep's clothing.

This PI, people's initiative thing,

is part of a regime change strategy

na at the end of the day,

BBM might turn out as the bigger threat

even though so far. And then

they never do tear the group. You know, we're saying

no, no, no, no. At the end of the day, BBM is

a constitutionalist, at least so far.

He respects the West Philippine Sea, at least

in terms of policy positioning.

Or at the very least, you can hold his feet

close to fire. It's like when Bernie Sanders

endorsed Hillary. Parang hindi ko siya type.

Hindi ko siya gusto. Pero at least

reasonable siyang kausap, unlike Trump.

So, yung ganyan logic.

What is your

stance on this issue? Because we have

friends right and left coming

out with counter-arguments. Kasi

nakikita ko, may time

sa mga DDS, they're trying to

court the never-Marcos side of the

opposition, diba? Na,

di ba, biglang against corruption

na sila, for auditing na sila ng

ano, di ba, yung SMN9,

sa impositioning nila. Tapos,

bayani daw sila, sabi ni Harry Roque.

Di ba, like, this is

sounding weird. Like, good governance

agenda na kayo bigla, diba?

Kaya nga, biro ko yun. Naging opposition

lang yung iba kasi hindi binigyan ng position

to simplify it, diba?

What is your read on this? Where should the

pink movement stand on this? There is a

lot of people asking, it's not because you're pink

per se, but you are allies with Lenny, and

you know, I'm not hearing much from Lenny. Maybe

you know more about her.

We hear a lot from Risa, from

Franz Castro, a lot of others. But,

ikaw, in your humble opinion, where do you

think should the opposition stand? Because

ako, personally, I'm a bit skeptical of

the P.I. Chacha thing. But

I'm even more skeptical on the issue

of the need for ICC to come in

because that's a bigger problem. I also

support the direction of our

foreign policy by and large. So,

it's a kind of an, some

issue here, some issue there. Where do you think

opposition should stand, Senator?

Well, ganito, no? Sa

amin, sa Magdalo Group,

hinimay na namin to

and we defined, ano ba yung

national interest dito?

Okay, dito sa

existential issue

of the

attempts of the

Dutertes to oust DeMarco's

administration, maliwanag

dito yung national interest.

Na dapat matapos na Marcos' administration

yung term niya until 2028.

Because

any interruption to that

term would mean

Sara Duterte ascending

to the presidency. Pag nangyari

yan, believe me,

the democracy,

the Philippine democracy, again,

is at risk.

Baka mawala na yung 2028 elections.

Iba ito. Iba yung temperament

ng Dutertes

and iba pa yung

temperament ng

Sara Duterte

which could be

worse

in the sense na wala itong

sense of humor. Tsaka may shorter

temper ito. So, kumbaga,

shorter fuse.

Less confidence, unlike yung

dad niya na may humor,

may modacity.

Pero pareha sila ng mindset.

Scorched earth, tsaka yung

yung kanilang

pag-use ng violence.

Sanay na sanay sila dyan.

So, anyway,

when faced with that,

napakaliwanag sa amin.

You cannot side with

the Dutertes kasi babalik na naman tayo

dun sa nightmare of the

past six years.

2016 to 2022.

We do not want to risk that from

happening. So, yun yun.

Ngayon dun sa issue naman ng PI,

maliwanag din na hindi rin naman,

that's not the way to go.

Ako, I'm also in favor

of amending some provisions

of the Constitution.

But may ways to do that.

And I think itong

resolution of

both houses approach

is the way to go. Kasi you can

deal with the amendments

on a piecemeal basis.

Parang, ito, amend ito

so that pag nag-plebisito, alam

ng mga tao kung ano yung pinagbabotohan nila.

Hindi yung wholesale revision.

Yan yun.

Okay. Tapos, ito,

sa iba pang issue,

policy-wise,

ano na lang yun, deba-debate.

Pero ito, existential ito eh.

Pagka tinanggal,

pagka pinatalsik

yung Marcos administration

by whatever means,

that would mean Sara assumes

as president. Then, therefore,

iihinto ulit yung EDCA.

Then, Beijing

would again have a

huge say in

domestic politics.

And domestic policy-making.

So, yan na yun.

And hindi pwede yun mangyari.

Kaya,

kung yung, ano to,

what's your term?

Never Marcos.

Never Marcos versus Never Duterte.

Kasi nasa position nito.

Yung mga Never Marcos,

ako, sinasabi ko sa kanila yun.

Kung, kung, ano,

sa inyo, ang attitude nila,

bahala kayong mag-away-away dyan.

Mag-kakain lang sila ng popcorn.

Believe me.

Pag ka nanalo itong Dutertes,

you will regret that.

Diba?

Pride na lang yung nagsasabi sa inyong

Never Marcos.

But dito, it's not Marcos.

You're not supporting Marcos per se.

But you are preventing Sara

from assuming as president.

Diba? Yun yun, maliwanag.

Clear concept.

Yes, maliwanag sa amin yun.

Ngayon, dun sa, ano,

sa 2028,

dun sa saan po position?

Dapat, mag-prepare na lang.

Yung 2028.

Diba? Okay.

I-prevent nyo yung PI.

O sige, prevent nyo.

Kasi pag pre-revent nyo yun,

di magkakaroon ng 2028.

Pero kung masyado tayong in the heat na naman dun sa

tactical battles,

next thing you know, 2028 na.

Pakamot-kamot na naman tayo ng ulo

kasi walang nag-prepare.

So, focus on strategy,

not tactical differences and all.

Yes.

Dapat, hand in hand yun.

May tactical battles,

merong strategic.

Okay.

Ano, preparation.

Diba?

So, yun dapat.

Imbis na nag-ano na.

Kaya, in that regard,

segway ko lang.

That's why I'm already convincing

members of the pink movement

to start promoting or pushing for

Risa Ontiveros

as the new leader ng pink movement.

Kasi, I believe,

siya talagang, ano siya,

hindi siya bumibitaw, no?

Hindi yung pag natalo ka,

bumitaw ka na sa national, ano?

As if the world stopped

nung natalo ka.

Hindi, gano'n.

Tuloy-tuloy yung problema.

And Risa,

Senator Risa is there, ano?

And, kumaga,

she's doing the right things.

The right things that a leader

of the opposition should do.

I mean, I think a good news

because I just confirmed kanina lang

that there are a number of unpublished surveys.

That show na Sara is no longer the lead.

That actually, Rafi Tulfo has overtaken her

in two quarters.

Not one quarter,

but two quarters already.

Now, of course, you would say that,

oh, may marami dyan,

ayaw rin kay Tulfo.

Of course, we can have a long conversation

about Tulfo.

But for me, actually,

that opens the field, right?

Because that means

the 60% unity no longer exists

as if it ever existed.

But if Sara is just getting around

20-25%-30%,

that's the same number she had in 2021.

And if Tulfo is getting now 30% or more,

then that means there's still

40% plus up for grabs.

And perhaps this opens the space

for a third candidate for Riza Ontiveros

or even some team-up.

I don't know.

Would you think for Riza team-up

also could make sense?

I mean, I'm just throwing out these scenarios

because I want people to imagine

new horizons.

Na hindi pwede popcorn lang tayo forever.

Because at some point,

you're gonna be the popcorn of other people.

If puro popcorn ka lang,

ikaw ang maging ulam at some point.

So I really appreciate yung sinasabi nyo.

Don't forget,

eye on the ball.

Eye on the ball.

And ako,

I would like to validate yung

information mo

about the unpublished service.

Because our own Magdalo survey,

which concluded just last week,

validated that information.

Tulfo is also number one.

Oo.

That's it.

And yung,

we just,

less than two weeks ng open war

between the Dutertes and the Marcos.

Talagang tinamaan yung mga Dutertes.

And yung sa ICC question namin,

yung ICC question nga namin

is more direct,

na ano ang inyong opinion

sa nalalapit na pag-aresto

kay Rodrigo Duterte

ng ICC,

International Criminal Court.

Yan yan.

Ang choices,

sangayon,

hindi sangayon,

at walang opinion.

Yung sangayon,

nag-increase siya

from 13% to 18%.

Tapos yung,

ay yung disangayon,

bumaba siya

from 33% to 31%.

Nanarawing gap

in just less than two weeks.

And yung walang opinion,

ito kasi yung refuge.

So the thing about

Filipino respondents,

Filipino voter is

pasafe.

Kailangan meron kang refuge

para sa kanya

kasi hindi niya

baka samain siya dun

sa totoong sentimiento niya.

So that is the

walang opinion.

Kasi maliwanag naman

kung,

kung talagang

maka-Duterte ka

at ayaw mong ma-arresto siya,

isabihin mo yung

di ka sangayon.

It's there.

The choice is there.

Pero bakit walang opinion

sinabi mo?

Because you don't care

at all

about Mr. Duterte.

At so pag susumahin mo yun,

yung 18%

and 47%,

that's 65%

na

technically

in favor of

Duterte being arrested.

Kasi yung question

ng

Duterte,

it's the value is

It's just cooperation

or

investigation

o cooperation.

Ito hindi.

Arresto.

Very interesting.

So, yeah.

Okay, so

just to put it,

so I think both of us

have confirmed

from the data we have

now unfortunately

the publisher for some

is that

GULFA is now number one

so SARA is no longer

a foregone conclusion

and the trajectory

is not in favor of SARA.

It's actually the other way around

regardless of whether

you like GULFA or not.

But the second

and even more important

is the fact that

majority,

51%

want ICC to investigate.

57%

want BBM administration

to cooperate.

And then,

base sa sinabi nyo,

only around 30%

are against arrest.

So that means

majority,

6 out of 10

are open to the idea

of an arrest

warrant.

Iba yun,

na hindi sinama sa SWS.

I really appreciate

this intervention

because these are numbers.

These are data.

This is the reality.

Hindi yung sa social media,

hindi yung sinasabi ni

Boljak TV, whatever.

Yung mga

we're talking about

systematic numbers

that we have there, right?

And probably,

they also know about it,

no?

The other side.

I think they know this.

Oh,

and ano, no?

We've been tracking, no?

The last survey we had,

we conducted last August.

So,

ngayon,

January,

so basically,

six months after

tinitignan namin.

So,

tumataas yung,

habang tumataas yung

awareness about the ICC,

tumataas yung in favor.

Tapos,

bumamaba yung,

ano,

and the bulk neto

is in Mindanao

nung mga ayaw.

No?

But Luzon,

Visayas,

basically,

ano na siya.

Pwede na siyang isuka,

no?

Kung baga,

sinusuka na siya.

Or,

willing silang

isuku si Duterte

and

it won't

matter

in their daily lives.

Ganon.

Sir,

does that also,

I mean, of course,

I don't know how religious you are,

but I mean,

does that also

kind of restore

your faith

in the Filipino people?

Kasi parating mo inisip na,

you know,

I mean,

EJK,

this is a horrible thing.

I mean,

you know,

I mean,

this was a human rights catastrophe.

This is a,

this is an affront

to a conscience of any,

you know,

true person of faith.

I don't know,

Christian ka

or whatever religion.

For me,

this kind of proves na

it was really

climate of fear,

right?

Na a lot of this

was disinformation,

exaggeration,

performative,

climate of fear.

Now na hindi siya,

hindi sila nakakatakot

sa karamihan.

No na,

nag-collapse.

Medyo lumalabas na

yung mga totoong sentimento

ng tao.

Diba?

Parang ganun ang basa ko dito eh.

Na-exaggerated yung mga

superlative approval-approval.

It's like approval of Putin

in Russia.

Do you think anyone

in his right mind,

pag tinawag mo sa,

ah,

sir,

what is your opinion of Putin?

Like,

there's no reason.

You're gonna say,

I mean,

yung mga nagsasabi no,

sobrang tapang mga yan.

Kasi,

diba?

I mean,

yeah.

Same.

Same with,

kunyari,

sa North Korea.

I can imagine

99.5%

approval rating niya.

Baka lampas sa 100%.