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Bakit madaming duda sa tunay na motibo sa likod ng Charter change? Catch our episode with Atty. Luke Espiritu.
Christian Esguerra
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00:00.0
Magandang gabi po sa inyong lahat.
00:26.2
Nakikita ko po si Christian Esguerra and welcome po sa ating episode ngayong gabi dito po sa ating Facts First Podcast.
00:32.7
So tonight is February 16, Friday po ngayon.
00:36.9
So katapusan po ng work week and alam po natin na marami po sa ating lahat ay pagod na po.
00:42.6
Pero syempre, we cannot afford to slow down pag kailangan natin kumayod.
00:47.9
Okay, nga pala, shoutout kay Atty. Ralph Kalinisan.
00:52.3
I-called my attention kanina, sabi niya,
00:54.6
Bro, ano ko pa gusto sabihin sa'yo?
00:57.5
Yung mic mo parang grounded.
00:59.9
Meron daw parang hiss.
01:01.4
Dati na, oh alam ko na yun eh.
01:03.1
Pero anyway, masasolve ko rin yan eventually.
01:07.2
Tsaga-tsaga lang muna.
01:08.9
Anyway, alam ko marami sa inyo excited na mapanood po yung episode natin yung gabi, yung ating interview.
01:13.3
Lalo nung in-announce ko po ang social media dito po sa social media accounts natin,
01:17.2
tsaka sa channel natin, na ang guest po natin,
01:19.6
na isa sa mga ano yan eh,
01:22.1
either you love him or you hate him.
01:24.6
Kung ikaw si Harry Roque, I think you would not love him.
01:27.9
Okay?
01:29.0
O yung mga tipong lariga doon.
01:30.7
Pero kayong mga nakikita kayo reaction,
01:33.2
pinakaabangan nyo yung ating panayam.
01:35.2
Ito na, hindi natin patatagalin.
01:36.5
Ang guest po natin ngayong gabi,
01:38.2
yung pangulo, tagapamuno po ng Buklura ng Manggagawang Pilipino.
01:43.2
Of course, marami po sa inyo.
01:44.4
Nakilala siya nung campaign for the 2022 Senatorial Election.
01:48.5
Eh, sino ba naman yung mga ngahas?
01:50.9
Aakalain nyo ba naman na babarahin niya yung kagalang-galang?
01:54.6
Na Harry Roque.
01:55.8
And if I remember it correctly, pati si lariga doon, binara niya.
01:59.5
And of course, he's known for his take-no-prisoners approach.
02:03.2
Diba? Kung dito sa Facts First, meron tayo no holding back.
02:06.4
Yung sa guest natin, ano siya?
02:07.8
Take-no-prisoners.
02:09.2
Tama ba?
02:10.0
I'd like to welcome again to our program, si attorney Luke Espiritu.
02:14.5
Magandang gabi, attorney.
02:15.6
And thank you for joining us tonight again sa Facts First.
02:18.7
Magandang gabi, Christian.
02:19.8
At sa mga lumalawak na nanonood sa iyo,
02:24.6
mga followers mo at mga viewers.
02:27.3
At saka, nalungkot naman ako doon sa introduction mo
02:30.1
kasi ako naman, ako'y umaasa pa rin
02:33.6
na magiging magkaibigang kami ni Harry Roque at saka ni lariga doon.
02:40.6
Umaasa akong magbagong buhay na sila.
02:43.7
You know, di pa tayo nagsimula, bumanot na.
02:47.1
Pero tama ba ang description ko sa inyo?
02:51.7
Take-no-prisoners, no?
02:53.1
Especially kung pagbabasgahan natin.
02:54.6
Yung quote-unquote debate na yun.
02:56.9
Wala kayong tinira doon, eh.
02:58.3
Sinimot nyo, eh.
03:00.4
Hindi naman tayo nagtitake-no-prisoners.
03:05.2
Kung walang, medyo lambing lang sa amin yun, Christian.
03:11.0
Yun ay, mabait pa ako noon, actually.
03:13.1
Mabait pa ako.
03:14.2
Okay.
03:15.4
Kaya pala, ito curious lang ako.
03:16.9
After ba nung controversial sparring na yun on stage?
03:23.5
Nagkita pa ba kayo?
03:24.3
Nag-cross ba yung landas niya ni Harry Roque o ni lariga doon?
03:28.8
Hindi na.
03:30.5
Hindi na.
03:31.0
Nag-cross ang landas namin bago kami nagkita.
03:34.5
Doon sa...
03:36.1
Maalala ko, nag-CR ako, kasabay ko si Harry Roque.
03:39.3
Hindi pa kami nagsisimula ang debate.
03:41.6
Tapos, dinadaandaanan niya lang ako.
03:44.2
Sabi ko, na-starstruck ako dito, ha.
03:46.8
Tapos, after that, after yung debate, wala na.
03:49.3
Hindi na kami masyadong, hindi na kami nagkita.
03:52.0
Okay.
03:52.5
Anyway, sige.
03:53.5
Ang topic natin yung...
03:54.3
Ang gabi, itong ipinipilit, hindi nga lang isinusulong eh,
03:57.8
ipinipilit ng ilang politiko at di umano ng taong bayan
04:02.2
na amyandahan ng ating konstitusyon, okay?
04:05.9
E napanood ko kayo sa Senate Investigation or ano, hindi siya investigation,
04:09.1
Senate Inquiry, nung committee na pinamumunuan ni Senator Amy Marcos.
04:13.4
Una-una, linawin niya muna natin, Atty. Luke,
04:15.9
why were you invited to that Senate hearing?
04:18.2
And ano ba yung posisyon nyo dito sa isinusulong na tsa-tsa?
04:21.3
Actually, I'm invited na organization.
04:24.3
And BMP is also a member of San Lacas eh, organizational ang aming relasyon.
04:31.3
So, that time, tatlo kaming nandun dapat na si Atty. Aaron Pedrosa, si Calio Didi Guzman, eh ako lang ang nakasipot.
04:40.0
So, that's why nakapasok ako as resource person for civil society.
04:46.2
Siyempre, ang posisyon natin dyan, Christian, ayaw natin, both ah, both.
04:51.8
Kasi maraming mga nagsasabing.
04:54.0
Ayaw lang namin sa pagbabago ng konstitusyon pagdating sa term limits.
04:59.3
Pero okay kami sa economic provisions na babaguhin yan.
05:03.6
Or, nung nandun ako sa Senate,
05:05.7
mga senadot na nandun, Amy Marcos being one of them,
05:09.8
si Bato de la Rosa, si Bongo, si JV Ejercito, si Senator Binay,
05:17.5
at siyempre, si Senator Rizal Diveros.
05:22.5
Except for Rizal Diveros,
05:24.0
ah, medyo ang karamihan dun sa binanggit ko,
05:27.5
sabi nila, lalong-lalo na si Amy Marcos, sabi niya, okay naman kami sa charter change.
05:33.6
Pero, ang oposisyon nila is the fact na hindi binigyan ng boses ang Senado.
05:40.3
Dahil ang tangkang ah, people's initiative dun, ay kuwan eh, ay ah,
05:44.9
ang Senado at ang House of Representatives ay magiging isa.
05:49.7
So, ma-outnumber ng mga House of Representatives, ah,
05:53.4
members, ang mga Senado, yun lang yung basis ng oposisyon nila.
05:57.4
Siyempre namin, it's hindi ganun ka-superficial.
06:02.4
It's both the political provisions, but most importantly,
06:07.4
we oppose yung pagbabago ng ating economic provisions.
06:12.2
Dahil mas mapiligroso pa ang ganung pagbabago ng Constitution,
06:17.2
which they are now packaging as something good.
06:20.2
Ah, lahat sila, kahit pro o anti,
06:23.4
if they're packaging the Constitutional Amendment relating to our national economy and patrimony
06:30.4
as something necessary, of course not.
06:33.4
It is the most dangerous na changes na kailangan, na gagawin nila sa Constitution.
06:39.4
So, you made it clear, yung posisyon na yan, na kayo, no to cha-cha at all.
06:45.4
Ah, at that time, dun sa hearing na yun, ah, hindi eh, yung economic provision.
06:51.4
Hindi pa naman yun ang pinag-uusapan.
06:53.4
Ang pinag-uusapan lang yung People's Initiative na in-initiate ng PIRMA,
06:59.4
ah, headed by Mr. Oñate.
07:01.4
And lahat naman kami nagkakasundong, masama yung People's Initiative na ginawa nila.
07:06.4
Oo, kasi nga, maraming duda na mga hindi naman tao talaga yung nag-initiate niya, no.
07:10.4
Anyway, bago natin punta kayong People's Initiative,
07:12.4
ito yung naku-pagustong pag-usapan dito sa programa, no.
07:15.4
Kaya tumakbo kayo sa pagkasenador, maraming nakuhin yung support ha,
07:18.4
pero unfortunately, hindi kayo umabot sa cut-off.
07:20.4
Eh, syempre, money politics ang pinag-uusapan dito.
07:23.4
Ah, subukan nyo mag-artista or action star.
07:26.4
Maganda yung get-up nyo, baka makalusot.
07:31.4
Pwede ba?
07:32.4
Hindi, hindi. Dahil bakit ko naisip yun, ah, Christian, ah.
07:35.4
Naisip ko lang ngayon. Pwede ba nga na-
07:37.4
Okay.
07:38.4
Luke Espiritu, bad boy of Philippine civil society.
07:41.4
Ah, ganun ba?
07:44.4
The take no prisoners approach.
07:46.4
Correct, oo.
07:47.4
Mag-alarambo kayo, pero subukan nyo mag-buduts.
07:49.4
Ano lang yun?
07:50.4
Ano lang nito, talagang sage advice para makalusot kahit papano.
07:54.4
Anyway, joke lang naman yun, no.
07:55.4
Ang gusto kong itanong sa inyo, kasi nag-cover din ako na matagal nyo sa Senado tsaka sa House,
08:00.4
minsan iniisip ko, diba lagi may mga, ano yan, congressional inquiry, may public hearing yan,
08:05.4
bago ayusin o repasuhin ang isang batas, no?
08:08.4
Pero sa karanasan nyo ba, hindi naman yung first time na ma-invite kayo.
08:12.4
Mukha ba nakikinig talaga yung mga nag-i-invite sa inyo?
08:15.4
O baka naman parang per-factory lang na, o yan, ah, nag-consultation na kami.
08:19.4
Pero buo na rin naman yung desisyon. Ano bang sense na nalang kukuha nyo?
08:23.4
Well, depende. Depende. Alam mo, it's their show.
08:28.4
Pagka sa ganong legislative inquiry, it's the show of the senators.
08:33.4
So, for whatever gain that they could get, pwedeng clout, pwedeng makapakita nila, may lumalaban sila sa tama,
08:44.4
it's totally their show.
08:47.4
And all the resource speakers there,
08:48.4
ay kailangan makipag-content with the senators themselves in order for their voice to be heard.
08:58.4
So, kailangan mong, kahit pa paano, maghanap ka ng punto kung saan ka pwedeng sumingit.
09:03.4
Pero may mga times naman na gracious din naman sila, lalong-lalo na.
09:09.4
If they already have a solid position on a certain thing, kapag nakita nilang resource speaker is also of the same,
09:16.4
viewpoint, eh pinapalabas din naman nila para mapapakita na nagkakasundo kayo ng viewpoint.
09:27.4
So, yun ang aking napapansin sa mga Senate investigation.
09:31.4
Dito sa specific na pagdinig nila, dito sa isinusulong na People's Initiative, saka sa CHA-CHA, ano ba yung nasa sense nyo?
09:40.4
Kasi pag pinapanood ko yan, parang ang argument is overwhelmingly against,
09:44.4
overwhelmingly against this kind of People's Initiative that they're pushing for. Diba? Tama ba?
09:51.4
Yes, oo. Lahat ng senador doon. And with the exception of Riza Ontiveros na mas malalim ang tanyang opposition sa CHA-CHA.
09:59.4
Ang sense na nakita ko is galit lang talaga sila, lalong-lalo na si Batu de la Rosa who articulated this.
10:06.4
Galit lang sila sa fact na doon sa proposed na pagbabago ng konstitusyon,
10:12.4
yung isang constituent assembly na tinatawag, it is the House of Representatives and the Senate,
10:19.4
ay instead na separate voting, ibig sabihin ang Senate will retain its character as yung 24 senators ay magiging decisive sa pagbabago ng konstitusyon.
10:31.4
Yung gusto ng firma ay joint voting. So, ilan na ba ang kongresista natin? O maabot na tayo ng 300 yata, no?
10:39.4
Nasa 316 yung last count ko. 316. Oh, 316.
10:42.4
Eh kapag constituent assembly kasi Christian, isang mode yan ng changing the constitution.
10:49.4
Three-fourths vote yan eh. Eh kung 24 lang ang senador, insignificant ang kanilang numero kahit mag-oppose pa sila.
10:58.4
Makukuha't makukuha yung three-fourths na vote. House of Representatives lang, bilang lang nila. So doon sila nagagalit.
11:06.4
Pero as Sen. Imy Marcos said eh ok po e ah e nona.
11:10.4
But, as ah ah ah Senator Aimee Marcos said eh ok po e ah eh nona.
11:11.3
But, as ah ah ah Sen. Aimee Marcos said eh ok po e ah eh nona.
11:11.7
eh okay lang naman sa amin ng tsa-tsa.
11:14.3
Huwag lang na binabaliwala ninyo ang Senado.
11:18.6
May mga tanong pa ka doon eh,
11:19.7
bakit hindi nyo kinausap ang Senado?
11:21.8
So, parang ang implication is,
11:24.9
eh paano kung sinama sila?
11:27.0
Diba? Mag-o-oppose pa ba sila?
11:29.7
Ang kinausap lang,
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ang insinuation kasi doon,
11:32.4
kinausap lang,
11:34.0
ay ang House of Representatives.
11:36.2
Ang insinuation na lumalabas,
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pakana ng House of Representatives,
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representatives, lalong-lalo na yung
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si Speaker. So, medyo
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lumalabas yun na implied
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na conclusion doon sa investigation.
11:48.3
Doon lang talaga sila nagagalit.
11:50.3
Okay. Tsaka malino naman yan,
11:51.7
dahil nagkaroon silang isang resolusyon,
11:53.6
yung mga Senador, na condemning these people's initiative.
11:56.4
Kasi nga for them, existential
11:57.8
ito. Parang binubura sila
12:00.0
sa lihan na pura. Yes.
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Ginagawing insignificant. Pero laliman pa natin
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yung possible reasons
12:05.3
behind this. Kasi tama naman yung sabi ni
12:07.5
Attorney Luke na sa mga yan,
12:09.4
ang malinaw yung pag-oppose na mas
12:11.2
malalim. Yung isang Senador,
12:13.2
Sen. Rizo Ontiveros.
12:15.2
They also get the sense na baka naman
12:17.3
yung iba, hindi lang ino-oppose itong
12:19.4
PI to protect the Senate
12:21.3
as an institution, kuno.
12:23.5
But also to protect a politician
12:25.5
or political family. For instance,
12:27.9
si Vice President Sara Duterte.
12:30.0
Kasi nga, di ba ang isang basa dyan,
12:31.8
e baka pag isiningit yan
12:32.9
ang pagkapalit ng
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sistema ng gobyerno, maging parliamentary,
12:37.2
e mabura yung pangarap o ambition
12:39.4
ng mga Duterte na maging presidente
12:41.4
yung anak sa 2028.
12:43.5
What do you think?
12:45.0
It's viable. Oh, it's possible
12:47.0
that they are protecting
12:48.8
yung mga political interests.
12:51.2
And you could always, you could almost
12:53.4
generalize as something true
12:55.0
na lahat naman ng mga pwestuhan
12:57.5
whether pro-antay,
12:59.6
hindi naman yan set in stone
13:01.2
sa kanila. Hindi yan firm na talagang
13:03.0
antay sila sa pagbabago ng Constitution.
13:04.8
It depends on the conditions.
13:07.3
Like for example, Rodrigo Duterte,
13:08.9
before,
13:09.4
pinupush niya rin ang pagbabago ng Constitution.
13:11.6
Pero ngayon, ano na siya?
13:13.1
Mahal na mahal niya na ang 1987 Constitution.
13:16.1
So, ang nagdidiktate talaga dito
13:18.7
ay ang political interest.
13:20.9
So, kung outside the Colombo ka,
13:22.7
napapansin ko lang ito, Christian,
13:24.3
pagka outside the Colombo ka,
13:26.9
outside of the ruling regime ka,
13:30.5
generally,
13:32.3
inuoppose mo yung pagbabago ng Constitution
13:34.5
kasi tinitingnan mo na
13:36.3
ang mga nag-initiate neto
13:38.1
ay yung regimen,
13:39.4
yung regimen na nakaupo.
13:41.2
So, kapag wala ka na,
13:43.0
oppose ka, pero pag ikaw naman
13:45.2
ang nakaupo,
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ikaw naman ang nasa balakanyang,
13:49.8
eh, walang eksepsyon eh.
13:51.9
Diba?
13:52.7
Name me one president na hindi nag-initiate
13:55.6
ng pagbabago ng Constitution.
13:59.0
Pero after they're out of power,
14:01.1
yung susunod na gobyerno,
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susunod na presidente,
14:03.7
mag-initiate ng cha-cha,
14:05.9
maraming mag-upose.
14:06.9
So, I won't be surprised,
14:09.4
if it protects
14:10.7
not only Sarah Duterte,
14:12.3
but also the interest
14:13.5
of the Duterte dynasty.
14:16.6
Sa pagkakaalala ko po, no,
14:18.8
among the presidents
14:19.9
sa post-EDSA era,
14:22.4
yung personally, no,
14:23.3
hindi nag-push,
14:24.8
mukhang si ano lang yata,
14:26.4
si Noyne Aquino, tama ba?
14:27.7
Si Noyne, yes, I remember.
14:29.3
Although, under his regime,
14:30.9
meron pa rin moves.
14:32.4
Correct, oo.
14:33.3
Yan ang pagkakaiba
14:34.2
kasi yung mga ibang kasama niya,
14:35.8
as president, they pushed.
14:38.5
Oo, sila.
14:39.4
Mismo, they put their weight
14:41.1
on the move to change the charter.
14:45.8
Pero siya, personally,
14:47.3
he denied na gusto niya
14:50.1
na igamitin ang power niya
14:52.4
in order to push for
14:53.4
constitutional changes.
14:55.8
Kayo ba,
14:56.5
ba't hindi kayo naku-convince,
14:57.9
Attorney Luke,
14:59.3
pag sinabi naman
15:00.1
ng mga nagsusulong ng PI,
15:02.0
at saka nagsusulong ng
15:03.0
economic cha-cha,
15:04.9
hindi talagang gusto lang po namin
15:06.1
mas maka-inganyo
15:09.4
ang investors at wala po talagang
15:11.2
bahid politika ito.
15:12.6
Ang gagawin lang po namin
15:13.6
ay economic cha-cha.
15:15.5
Bakit hindi kayo makonvince-convince
15:17.1
doon sa ganong linya?
15:20.1
The first Christian, ano,
15:22.1
on the contrary,
15:23.7
convinced ako na permanent interest nila
15:26.4
ang babaguhin ng economic provisions
15:28.4
para mag-benefit
15:30.0
ang mga ruling elite.
15:32.2
And that's the common thing
15:33.6
that they agree on.
15:35.6
Ang problem lang is,
15:38.4
of course,
15:38.9
it will also create opportunities
15:41.0
for those who are in power
15:43.7
to, you know,
15:46.1
pahabain nila yung kanilang
15:47.7
pananatili sa kapangyarihan.
15:50.9
E bonus yan eh.
15:52.4
Diba?
15:53.2
Bonus.
15:53.8
Ako nagbago ng konstitusyon,
15:56.0
ako ang nagbago ng economic provisions,
15:60.0
nire-reward ko ang sarili ko
16:01.5
na pahaba ang sarili ko sa posisyon.
16:06.2
Diba?
16:06.9
So, on the contrary,
16:08.3
I am,
16:08.9
I am convinced
16:09.5
that all of them,
16:11.4
they really believe
16:12.3
na kailangan baguhin ng konstitusyon
16:14.7
ang economic provisions na ito.
16:16.8
And hindi lang naman sila.
16:18.7
Marami sa mga ekonomista,
16:21.1
marami sa mga yung gusto mag-tinker
16:23.3
or yung mga kapitan
16:25.8
ng ating ekonomiya,
16:28.9
yun ang gustong gawin,
16:30.0
baguhin ng konstitusyon
16:31.1
ang economic provisions.
16:32.7
So, mas solid pa nga
16:34.5
na rason yun, Christian.
16:36.0
Mas solid and it unites them.
16:38.9
What divides them actually is
16:41.3
the other one,
16:42.8
yung bonus,
16:44.3
which is more,
16:45.4
when I look at it,
16:46.7
mas incidental actually yun.
16:48.4
That's what divides them.
16:50.6
Kasi ibibigay
16:51.7
nung ruling power
16:55.1
sa sarili niya,
16:56.7
yung privilege
16:57.6
na papahabain
16:59.2
ang kanyang termino sa opisya.
17:01.4
Interesting take yan,
17:02.8
Atty. Luca.
17:03.7
Talagang malikot kayo mag-isip.
17:06.8
Hindi, talagang consistent siya.
17:08.9
Hindi siya dyan, economic provisions.
17:10.5
And that's the reason why,
17:12.0
in all my appearances
17:13.4
to explain this issue,
17:15.3
I would like to draw attention
17:16.6
to the fact
17:17.3
that that is even more dangerous.
17:20.3
More dangerous for us
17:22.0
to tinker with the economic provisions
17:24.8
of the constitution
17:25.8
at ibuyang-iyangin natin
17:27.3
ang ekonomiya ng Pilipinas,
17:29.3
papasukin ang mga foreign investor,
17:31.5
pagmamayarihan nila ang mga lupa,
17:33.8
at yung mga,
17:34.6
pwede na silang magnegosyo
17:35.7
sa mga public services natin,
17:37.8
pwede silang magnegosyo sa mga public services,
17:38.9
pwede silang pumasok sa mga minahan natin.
17:41.0
Mas delikado yun, actually.
17:43.0
Okay, isa-isahin natin,
17:44.4
dito sa economic chat,
17:45.6
sya na isinusulong.
17:47.5
Pag-usapan na na natin
17:48.7
yung RBH No. 6,
17:50.0
yung Resolution of Both Houses No. 6,
17:51.8
na ang nagsusulong mismo
17:52.9
ay si Senate President Juan Miguel Zubiri,
17:55.6
and of course,
17:56.1
sa previous na pahayag niya,
17:58.2
siya raw yung naatasa
17:59.3
ni President Marcos.
18:00.7
Pero pag may mga nakakausap
18:02.2
kung kongresis,
18:02.9
sinasabi nila,
18:04.0
o sige, okay na kami dyan
18:05.0
sa RBH No. 6,
18:06.2
actually, gusto nga namin
18:07.0
mas marami pa, no?
18:07.9
Mag-focus lang tayo rin
18:09.0
sa tatlong economic provisions
18:10.3
na gusto nilang pakialaman.
18:12.5
So, isisingit lang po nila ron
18:13.8
ay unless otherwise
18:15.0
provided by law.
18:16.4
Ibig sabihin,
18:17.0
pag naisingit yun sa Constitution,
18:19.0
nasa kapangyarihan ng Kongreso,
18:21.1
yung pag-relax,
18:21.9
yung mga niti-griti,
18:23.1
specifically.
18:24.1
Isa-isahin po natin
18:25.0
yung tatlong industriya
18:26.0
na gusto nilang pakialaman, no?
18:27.3
Public services,
18:28.3
tama ba?
18:29.2
So, ano yung dangers nun?
18:30.3
Kasi technically,
18:31.3
meron naman tayong
18:31.9
public service
18:32.6
amendment na eh,
18:35.2
di ba?
18:35.7
So, ano yung problema rito
18:36.7
sa panibagong
18:37.8
isinusulong po?
18:39.9
Okay.
18:40.4
First of all,
18:42.4
ang pampublikong servisyo
18:44.5
ay hindi dapat yan
18:45.5
ginagaw ang negosyo.
18:47.4
Di ba?
18:47.8
Privatization yan eh.
18:49.4
And tama ka doon, Christian.
18:50.8
Sa totoo lang,
18:52.0
even without them
18:53.1
changing the Constitution,
18:54.5
they have been doing that.
18:56.1
Dahil pumasok tayo
18:57.4
sa isang framework
18:58.5
of economic development
18:59.8
which we call
19:00.7
the neoliberal
19:01.4
economic framework.
19:03.9
And yung neoliberal
19:04.9
economic framework na yan,
19:06.1
it held sway
19:06.9
regardless
19:07.8
or despite
19:09.3
the provisions
19:11.5
of the 1987 Constitution.
19:14.0
Ano yun?
19:14.9
Ha?
19:15.5
Talagang tahasang
19:16.6
privatization,
19:18.0
deregulation,
19:19.2
at liberalization.
19:20.7
Okay?
19:21.1
Pagdating sa public services,
19:23.0
yan ay pinaprivatize.
19:24.6
Can you imagine
19:25.5
sa ating bansa, ha?
19:28.0
Paano kumikita
19:29.0
ang mga mayayaman dito?
19:30.4
They are not,
19:31.4
you know,
19:32.1
accumulating their wealth
19:33.5
through productive activities.
19:35.3
Yung tinatawag natin sa
19:36.6
ah,
19:37.8
ekonomiya Christian,
19:39.4
value adding
19:40.5
at saka value chain.
19:42.7
Ha?
19:42.9
Yung umaanga tayo,
19:44.0
we climb through
19:45.3
the ladder of value chain.
19:47.5
Producing commodities
19:49.1
na mas mataas
19:50.2
ang value chain.
19:51.4
Hindi ganyan kumikita
19:52.5
ang mga billionaryo natin,
19:54.7
ang mga mayayaman natin,
19:55.7
ang mga kapitalista natin.
19:57.2
Saan sila kumikita?
19:58.6
Mga rentier activities.
20:00.4
And ang pinaka area
20:02.8
kung saan nila
20:03.9
ina-undertake
20:04.8
ang rentier activities nila
20:06.2
ay ginagawa nilang
20:07.4
negosyo
20:07.8
ang mga public services.
20:09.2
Highway,
20:10.4
tubig,
20:11.5
kuryente.
20:12.5
Ang resulta niyan,
20:13.7
tumataas ang presyo
20:14.8
ng mga public services,
20:16.4
trend.
20:17.3
Imagine mo yung
20:17.8
ultimo highway.
20:19.3
I'll just give you
20:20.2
one example.
20:21.4
At toll gate.
20:23.0
Itong North Luzon
20:24.0
Expressway,
20:24.7
itong Cavitex,
20:25.9
hawak naman
20:26.4
ni Pangilinan.
20:27.3
For what?
20:28.5
Why should you give
20:29.5
to a private concessionaire
20:32.2
something that has been
20:33.9
built by public funds
20:35.3
para ano,
20:36.3
manglekta ng toll?
20:37.4
And kukuha ng share
20:39.6
doon sa koleksyon ng toll?
20:42.5
It doesn't even make sense.
20:44.8
Like right now,
20:46.1
ngayong araw na ito,
20:47.7
in-announce
20:48.4
na itong si Ramon Ang,
20:51.1
yung San Miguel,
20:52.3
kukunin niya
20:53.8
ang operation and management
20:56.1
ng na-IA.
20:58.2
Yung lahat ng mga na-IA airports.
21:00.3
Terminals 1 to 4.
21:02.2
For what?
21:03.4
Di ba kumikita naman yan?
21:05.3
Di ba kumikita yan
21:06.3
sa ating mga
21:07.3
mga terminal fee?
21:09.9
Pati mga travel tax?
21:11.9
Bakit itong terminal fee
21:13.7
travel tax,
21:14.9
papapasukin mo siya
21:15.9
para siya ang kumulekta?
21:17.6
It really doesn't make sense
21:19.1
at all except for the fact
21:20.4
na hindi na nila
21:21.9
in-industrialize
21:23.0
ang Pilipinas.
21:24.3
Ang mga elite natin
21:25.6
ay parasitic,
21:27.0
rentier activities
21:28.1
ang kanilang pinagkakakitaan
21:29.7
at gusto nila ngayon
21:31.1
yung kanilang activities
21:32.5
na matagal na nilang ginagawa,
21:34.7
gusto nilang magkaroon
21:35.9
pa ngayon.
21:36.7
Lalo,
21:37.3
ng constitutional protection.
21:39.5
Definitely,
21:40.6
no.
21:41.4
Di ba?
21:41.9
Alam na natin
21:42.6
ang effect niyan.
21:44.2
Servis yung bulok,
21:46.0
servis yung mahal.
21:47.3
Yan ang magiging effect niya.
21:49.3
Okay.
21:49.8
Teka lang,
21:50.1
Atty. Loc,
21:50.7
may nagsabi rito,
21:51.6
puso nyo.
21:52.5
Nag-iisa lang daw.
21:54.1
Ganyan lang.
21:55.1
Sabi ko,
21:55.9
lambing pa rin yun.
21:57.4
Alam mo ba,
21:58.1
Christian,
21:58.6
ang mga ilonggo,
21:59.6
di ba?
22:00.0
Ang mga ilonggo,
22:00.9
kahit nagalit na,
22:02.5
malambing pa rin.
22:03.8
Di ba?
22:04.8
Parang si ano yan,
22:05.5
parang si Atty. Nery,
22:06.9
call me na,
22:07.3
di ba?
22:07.7
Mukhang galit na,
22:08.4
ganun pa rin yung voice.
22:10.0
Hindi,
22:10.5
ito naman ang argument nila dyan,
22:11.8
kaya pinapapasok yung mga,
22:13.1
ano yung sagot nyo rito?
22:14.4
Sinasabi kasi nila,
22:16.1
dito historically,
22:17.3
pag gobyerno nagpatakbo,
22:18.5
for example,
22:19.0
ang maintenance ng airport,
22:21.0
masama yung record ng gobyerno.
22:22.6
Hindi maayos
22:23.9
mag-maintain,
22:24.6
for instance.
22:25.4
Tapos yung argument naman nila dyan,
22:26.6
sa mga tall highways na yan,
22:29.2
wala raw pera yung gobyerno
22:30.9
para sila mismo
22:31.8
yung magsaayos niyan.
22:32.8
Kaya ginagawa nila,
22:34.0
pinapapasok yung mga
22:34.8
private companies,
22:35.7
and in the process,
22:37.5
kailangang kumita.
22:38.5
Di ba?
22:38.9
So, anong sagot nyo ron?
22:41.8
Ginigisa tayo
22:42.7
sa sarili nilang negligence?
22:44.9
Imaginin mo yun,
22:46.5
imbis na dapat kayo
22:47.8
mas maging efficient,
22:49.4
di ba?
22:50.1
Imbis na wala kayo
22:51.4
dapat korupsyon,
22:52.4
yan ang sagot dyan.
22:53.6
Di ba?
22:54.5
Eh,
22:55.4
talagang ginawa nyo
22:56.9
ay nilegitimize nyo pa
22:58.8
yung korupsyon nyo,
23:00.4
at ginamit nyo pa
23:01.6
na parang rason
23:03.2
para ibigay sa mga bilyonaryo,
23:05.4
mga pangalagay,
23:05.7
mga public services,
23:06.8
eh panggigisa sa sariling
23:08.4
mantika yan eh.
23:09.8
I'll give you one example,
23:11.3
Christian.
23:12.3
Ito na lang,
23:13.2
ito na lang sa naiya na to.
23:15.4
Itong sa naiya,
23:17.0
ang mga improvements
23:20.8
dyan sa mga airport na yan
23:22.9
ay nililimit by policy
23:24.8
sa 7%
23:26.4
nung kanilang kinikita.
23:30.1
Ang sagot dyan,
23:31.4
para magkaroon
23:32.1
ng mas magagandang facilities,
23:33.6
eh wag mong ilimit.
23:35.7
Ano namang rason
23:36.7
kung bakit mong kailangan
23:37.6
ilimit sa 7%?
23:39.4
Kasi,
23:39.9
kasi,
23:40.8
obligado
23:42.0
ang naiya,
23:43.4
obligado ang,
23:44.4
actually,
23:44.8
Manila International Airport
23:46.1
pa yung
23:46.5
juridical entity niyan eh.
23:48.8
Obligado silang mag-remit
23:50.1
ng dividendo
23:51.3
sa national government.
23:52.7
Oh,
23:53.3
eh ang dali lang naman nun.
23:55.0
Ha?
23:55.4
Imbis na i-remit nyo,
23:56.5
ipa-improve nyo ng airport.
23:58.4
Diba?
23:58.7
Kasi,
23:59.6
walang lugi yan eh.
24:01.7
Walang lugi yan.
24:03.3
Parating magbabayad
24:04.7
at obligado
24:05.3
magbabayad.
24:05.7
Magbabayad
24:06.1
ng terminal fee.
24:07.7
Dito nga lang sa Pilipinas
24:08.8
ang dami-daming fee eh.
24:10.1
Sa ibang bansa,
24:10.7
wala akong nakitang ganyan.
24:11.7
Dito sa Pilipinas,
24:13.1
pagdating mo sa airport,
24:14.4
sasabihin,
24:15.0
hindi ka pa pwedeng
24:15.8
mag-check-in.
24:16.6
Bakit?
24:17.3
Eh kasi,
24:17.7
hindi ka pa bayad.
24:19.1
Travel tax
24:19.9
ang terminal fee mo.
24:21.6
May-may-may nga airport
24:22.6
na hiwalay pa yung terminal fee.
24:24.6
Ang dami-dami
24:25.3
yung fees ini-impose.
24:26.8
Wala talaga kayong excuse
24:28.3
na walang pera yan.
24:30.1
Dahil hindi naman
24:30.7
kalugi-lugi yan.
24:32.7
Ngayon,
24:33.2
hindi kalugi-lugi.
24:34.3
Eh sabihin mo ngayong aksyon
24:36.2
ang reason kung bakit
24:37.8
hindi ina-upgrade.
24:39.3
Diba?
24:39.9
Eh di ang sagot doon,
24:40.7
dapat mo i-upgrade.
24:42.0
May pera naman na.
24:43.5
Available naman ang funds.
24:45.1
Hindi naman
24:45.5
lugi-free naman
24:47.3
ng negosyo yan.
24:48.7
Ngayon,
24:49.0
itong lugi-free negosyo na ito,
24:51.1
ibibigay mo ngayon
24:52.1
sa privado,
24:52.9
eh ang sarap
24:53.3
ng buhay nila.
24:54.2
Diba?
24:55.2
Ang wala mo
24:55.6
magiging resulta niyan,
24:57.4
kung natuloy itong
24:58.3
privatization,
24:59.5
actually,
24:59.9
by all indications,
25:01.6
matutuloy.
25:02.7
Privatization,
25:03.3
sasabihin nila,
25:04.3
operation and management
25:05.5
lang naman.
25:06.5
Alam mo,
25:07.2
magiging resulta niyan,
25:08.5
three times
25:09.4
tataas
25:10.0
ang mga fees natin
25:10.9
sa airport.
25:11.8
Three times!
25:13.3
Kasi pag binigay mo yan
25:14.2
sa privado,
25:15.4
hindi yan
25:16.1
public service
25:17.0
para sa kanila.
25:17.8
Yan ay gatasan.
25:19.4
Mas patindi
25:20.0
ang effect.
25:22.1
Profit?
25:23.4
Yes,
25:24.1
oo.
25:24.9
Okay.
25:25.8
Hindi po galit
25:26.6
si Atty. Luca.
25:27.6
Talagang ano lang.
25:28.2
Naglalampingan.
25:29.1
Naglalampingan.
25:30.1
Okay,
25:30.5
puntahan pa natin
25:31.2
yung dalawa.
25:32.9
O nga,
25:33.6
kasi public service,
25:34.3
ang pinag-uusapan natin
25:35.5
dito eh.
25:36.1
Anyway,
25:36.8
yung dalawa pang
25:37.9
dito,
25:39.3
sektor na gustong
25:40.3
buksan,
25:41.3
mas buksan pa
25:42.1
ng ating
25:43.3
mga politiko
25:45.0
na sumusuporta
25:45.8
sa RBH No. 6,
25:47.1
yung education
25:47.8
at saka advertising.
25:49.1
Punta tayo doon.
25:50.0
Sa education,
25:51.5
bakit napasok yun?
25:52.7
Tsaka yung advertising,
25:53.7
what do you think?
25:55.5
Well,
25:57.1
mas malaking
25:58.0
papapasukin
25:59.2
ang mga
26:00.1
alisin ng mga
26:01.3
restrictions
26:01.7
sa mga foreign,
26:03.7
sa education,
26:04.3
sa advertising,
26:05.9
ganun din,
26:06.4
kasi merong,
26:07.5
if I believe right,
26:09.2
hindi ko lang sure
26:09.8
yung
26:10.1
kailangan na
26:11.8
reserve sa
26:12.5
Filipino nationals
26:14.2
pagdating ng
26:15.0
education
26:16.0
at saka
26:17.1
advertising.
26:18.0
Pero alisin dyan
26:18.7
ang mga restrictions
26:19.6
on
26:20.1
foreign
26:21.3
ownership.
26:23.0
Diba?
26:23.5
Ganito na lang yan,
26:24.3
Christian,
26:24.7
is religious related eh.
26:26.3
Related.
26:27.1
Kaya natin nire-reserve
26:28.3
sa Filipino
26:29.0
citizens
26:30.0
kasi
26:30.4
ang
26:30.8
disenyo talaga
26:32.2
ng 1987
26:33.0
constitution
26:33.3
is,
26:34.3
is much more
26:34.9
comprehensive.
26:36.4
Ang disenyo niya,
26:37.3
if you read through
26:38.3
section 1
26:39.2
of the,
26:41.0
of article 12
26:42.4
of the constitution
26:43.2
which is the
26:44.0
national economy
26:44.9
and patrimony.
26:46.7
May kita mo
26:47.9
na ang
26:48.7
constitution natin,
26:49.9
meron siyang
26:50.4
ginawang
26:51.0
design
26:52.1
on our economy
26:53.8
and the design
26:54.6
is like this.
26:56.4
Kailangan
26:56.9
ang ekonomiya natin
26:58.1
ay based
26:58.8
sa paglilika,
27:00.4
production.
27:01.2
Nagpuproduce tayo
27:02.2
ng ating
27:02.9
pangangailangan.
27:04.0
Yung sinasabi ko sa'yo
27:05.1
na we climb
27:06.4
the ladder
27:07.0
of the value chain.
27:08.5
And what do you do
27:09.4
para magproduce ka?
27:11.3
Kailangan mong
27:11.9
mag-industrialize.
27:13.6
Industrialization
27:14.3
talaga ang
27:14.9
direction mo.
27:16.0
And kapag
27:16.8
mag-industrialize ka,
27:18.7
ang sabi sa
27:19.6
constitution,
27:20.5
kailangan nakatuntong
27:21.5
ito
27:22.3
sa
27:22.7
agricultural
27:23.7
production.
27:25.4
Yan ang base
27:26.3
ng iyong
27:26.7
industrialization.
27:28.0
Agricultural country
27:29.1
ka,
27:29.8
dapat ang
27:30.4
industries mo
27:31.3
will cater
27:31.9
to
27:32.9
the fact
27:33.9
that you're
27:34.3
an agricultural
27:34.8
country.
27:35.7
Dapat in-improve
27:36.5
mo yung
27:36.8
agriculture.
27:37.9
Ikaw nagpuproduce
27:38.8
ng fertilizer.
27:39.6
Ikaw nagpuproduce
27:40.5
ng mga
27:41.0
machinery
27:42.2
para sa
27:42.8
agriculture.
27:43.7
Nagpuproduce ka
27:44.3
ng technology
27:45.0
in order to
27:45.6
process
27:46.3
primary
27:46.8
agricultural
27:47.3
products
27:48.1
para mag-climb
27:49.1
ka sa
27:49.5
value chain.
27:51.7
And para
27:52.4
mag-work
27:53.4
yung ganong
27:54.0
klaseng
27:54.7
economic design,
27:56.1
kailangan mong
27:56.8
mag-redistribute
27:57.7
ng kayamanan
27:58.5
through land
27:59.3
reform.
28:00.5
And that's
28:00.8
the reason why
28:01.7
we have to
28:02.8
protect,
28:03.9
certain areas
28:05.1
and reserve it
28:06.6
for Filipinos
28:07.7
para gumana
28:09.7
na mag-industrializa
28:11.7
ang Pilipinas.
28:13.5
Ang ibig sabihin,
28:14.6
hindi tayo
28:15.6
magiging
28:16.1
dependent
28:16.9
on other
28:18.4
countries.
28:19.8
We produce
28:20.4
for ourselves.
28:21.4
Yan yung mga
28:21.8
restrictions na yan
28:22.7
sa advertising,
28:23.9
even education.
28:25.4
Restrictions
28:26.1
sa pagmamayari
28:27.1
ng lupa.
28:27.8
Iri-reserva mo
28:28.6
ang resources
28:29.3
natin
28:30.0
para sa mga
28:31.2
Pilipino.
28:32.5
Yan yung
28:32.9
pinaka-wantary
28:33.9
wisdom niyan.
28:35.3
Ngayon,
28:36.1
ang problem is,
28:37.4
ang ating ruling class
28:38.5
ay itinapo na nila
28:40.0
yung industrializasyon.
28:42.1
At,
28:42.5
ang ating
28:43.3
ekonomiya
28:44.0
ay ginawa nilang
28:45.0
import-dependent,
28:48.1
export-oriented
28:49.5
ng mga primary
28:51.2
agricultural products,
28:53.5
pero
28:53.7
import-dependent
28:55.6
ang ating
28:56.4
hindi na tayo
28:57.3
nag-industrializa.
28:59.1
So,
28:59.9
yan ba
29:00.3
ay nakabubuti
29:01.3
sa atin?
29:02.7
So,
29:03.0
yung huli,
29:03.9
holistic
29:04.3
yung pagpuprotect
29:05.8
natin
29:06.1
ng mga certain
29:07.5
sectors
29:08.1
of the economy.
29:09.7
Like, for example,
29:10.6
education,
29:11.5
advertising,
29:12.9
mining,
29:14.1
land,
29:15.2
lahat yan,
29:16.3
yung mga
29:17.1
public services
29:18.0
natin,
29:18.7
holistic yan
29:19.6
na nire-reserve
29:20.4
sa Pilipino
29:21.8
at nire-reserve
29:23.0
sa Pilipino
29:23.7
capital
29:24.2
to develop
29:25.1
our economy.
29:26.7
Pero nga,
29:27.3
as it is nga,
29:27.9
kasi nga,
29:28.3
pag pinag-uusapan
29:29.0
yung pagbubukas
29:29.7
pa ng ekonomiya,
29:30.9
nandoon na yung
29:31.5
amendment
29:32.4
sa Public Service Act,
29:33.7
no?
29:33.9
So,
29:34.5
bukas na yung telco,
29:36.4
yung airports natin,
29:37.8
for instance,
29:38.4
yung mga expressways,
29:40.2
big ticket item
29:41.1
siya,
29:41.3
definitely, no?
29:42.2
Hindi pa ba
29:43.2
sapat, John?
29:43.8
And,
29:44.1
sa observation nyo,
29:45.8
hinihingi ba pa talaga
29:46.7
ng mga investors
29:47.8
na,
29:48.4
parang mas maingan
29:49.8
dyan yung kami,
29:50.2
gusto namin talaga,
29:51.1
kami may ari ng lupa.
29:53.5
Ganun ba
29:53.9
yung conversation yan?
29:55.1
Tama yan,
29:55.9
Christian,
29:56.2
ang tanong mo.
29:56.8
Kasi,
29:57.1
alam mo,
29:58.6
may meron na yung
29:59.8
statement,
30:00.2
ang Amerika,
30:01.2
actually,
30:01.8
na ang reason
30:02.7
for,
30:03.9
lack of investment
30:05.0
sa Pilipinas,
30:05.9
hindi,
30:06.6
hindi yung mga factors
30:08.4
na ganyan.
30:09.5
Kundi sa fact,
30:10.2
na unang-una,
30:11.1
isa sa mga sinayong reasons
30:12.6
ay mataas ang kuryente.
30:15.3
Magpuproduce ka dito,
30:16.5
di ba,
30:16.8
mag-invest ka dito,
30:17.6
ang taas ng
30:18.8
production cost mo.
30:20.0
Ang Pilipinas,
30:20.8
ang pinakamataas
30:21.8
na kuryente
30:23.1
sa buong Asia.
30:25.3
Pinakamataas.
30:26.3
So,
30:26.8
di,
30:27.0
syempre,
30:27.3
mga investor ayaw.
30:28.7
Di ba?
30:28.9
Kaya,
30:30.1
kung hindi yan,
30:30.7
sakit din yan
30:31.4
ng neoliberal economic policy.
30:33.5
Kasi,
30:33.9
pinaybitize natin
30:34.8
ang NAPOCOR.
30:36.0
Ang NAPOCOR before
30:37.0
was government-owned.
30:38.6
Eh,
30:38.8
lahat ng mga planta niyan ngayon
30:40.0
ay pinaybitize natin
30:41.4
sa mga
30:42.2
independent power producers,
30:44.5
di ba,
30:44.8
sa mga generating
30:45.6
companies.
30:47.3
At,
30:47.7
nagtatakda sila ng
30:48.7
presyo
30:49.4
na talagang
30:50.3
kumikita sila.
30:51.7
So,
30:52.4
yan mismo
30:52.8
problema na yan,
30:54.4
yan mismo problema
30:55.4
which is privatization.
30:57.0
Di ba?
30:57.3
Yan mismo
30:58.0
ang papausad mo
31:00.2
by changing
31:01.1
the constitution.
31:02.6
And,
31:02.8
tama ka dyan.
31:03.9
Yan yung mga,
31:05.1
yan yung problem
31:05.8
kung bakit
31:06.3
walang investor dito.
31:07.7
Kaya,
31:08.1
ang ginagawa naman
31:09.0
ng ating gobyerno
31:10.5
ay pinupoint out sa,
31:12.7
ah,
31:12.9
kasi wala silang incentive.
31:14.4
Incentive tayo
31:15.1
ng incentive.
31:15.9
Like,
31:16.0
for example,
31:17.0
ah,
31:17.6
may mga income tax
31:19.3
holidays tayo
31:20.1
sa mga foreign investor.
31:22.1
Hindi na natin
31:22.7
sila tinatax.
31:24.2
Ah,
31:24.4
dahil dun.
31:25.1
Pero,
31:25.4
hindi naman yun
31:26.1
ang kwana.
31:27.0
Hindi naman yun
31:27.5
ang reason
31:28.1
kung ba't wala sila dito.
31:29.6
So,
31:29.9
at the same time na,
31:31.6
na,
31:33.1
may mga
31:33.6
totoong problema
31:34.4
kung ba't wala sila dito.
31:35.8
Pag nandito naman sila,
31:37.3
hindi naman tayo
31:37.9
nakikinabang.
31:39.2
Ang mining natin,
31:40.2
hindi mga,
31:40.9
mga,
31:41.8
pumapasok sa mga minan,
31:43.0
hindi natin tinatax.
31:44.8
Diba?
31:45.5
Ah,
31:45.7
excise tax lang
31:46.5
ang kinukuha natin.
31:47.9
Hindi nagkakaroon
31:48.8
ng gain ng gobyerno.
31:49.7
It really doesn't,
31:51.0
wane,
31:52.0
it really doesn't make sense
31:53.4
yung kanilang mga ginagawa.
31:56.2
Kung gusto nyo
31:56.8
ang papasukin
31:57.4
ng mga investor,
31:58.3
okay naman yan.
31:59.3
Diba?
32:00.1
Hindi yan
32:00.7
sa pamamaraan
32:01.9
ng more privatization,
32:03.6
less taxation,
32:05.1
hindi yan sa ganyang
32:05.8
pamamaraan.
32:07.0
Ayusin nyo
32:07.9
yung
32:09.1
kuryente
32:10.0
na maging mura,
32:10.9
yung production cost nila
32:11.9
maging mura.
32:13.5
Hindi yan sa
32:14.6
labor.
32:15.4
Minsan,
32:15.9
tinuturo pa labor eh,
32:17.0
mahal daw ang sweldo.
32:17.9
Hindi dyan.
32:19.2
Never nilang
32:19.8
sinight yan.
32:21.0
Sinasight nila
32:21.7
ang korupsyon.
32:23.1
Diba?
32:23.3
Sinasight nila
32:23.9
ang red tape.
32:24.9
Sinasight nila
32:25.6
ang kuryente.
32:26.9
Never dun sa sinasabi
32:28.0
ng gobyerno
32:28.7
na walang incentives
32:29.8
o never dun sa sinasabi
32:31.4
ng gobyerno
32:31.9
na matasang sweldo
32:32.9
ng mga mga gobyerno.
32:34.4
Diba?
32:34.7
Kaya wrong
32:35.2
reasons for them,
32:36.9
diba?
32:37.6
Para baguhin
32:38.5
ang konstitusyon.
32:39.9
Totoo yan.
32:40.6
Nabanggit yung korupsyon
32:41.5
tsaka red tape.
32:42.5
Nandun yung predictability.
32:43.7
Mag-iinvest ka eh.
32:44.6
Baka naman
32:45.0
pabago-bago yung
32:46.0
adil mo.
32:47.5
Hihingan ka ng pera
32:48.6
o at least
32:49.1
yung perception of it.
32:50.2
Diba?
32:50.9
Yung kasama yan eh.
32:52.0
Diba?
32:52.3
Kung sa tingin mo,
32:53.1
yung panag-invest ka rito,
32:54.4
mas mahihirapan ka,
32:55.3
marami kang kakausapin,
32:56.8
yung mga hihingin ng lagay.
32:58.7
O tapos yung unpredictability,
33:00.1
balik-balik ng administration.
33:01.6
Diba?
33:01.8
Yung shakedown
33:03.7
na ginawa na
33:04.2
nakara-administrasyon.
33:05.4
O ngayon,
33:05.9
medyo wala tayong
33:07.2
nadidinig na gano'n.
33:08.2
Diba?
33:08.4
Pero we don't know.
33:09.2
Baka meron din siya
33:09.8
mga bata-bata,
33:10.6
mga cronies.
33:11.3
Diba?
33:12.0
So lahat yan,
33:12.8
when factored in,
33:13.8
pumapasok sa utak
33:14.6
ng investor yan.
33:15.5
Teka,
33:16.4
baka mas stressful dito ah.
33:18.3
Doon na lang ako sa katabi.
33:19.8
Siguro sa Vietnam.
33:20.9
Diba yung gano'n?
33:22.1
Yes.
33:22.6
Oo.
33:25.0
Okay.
33:26.2
Stressful yung pinag-uusapan natin.
33:28.4
Tagdagang ba natin?
33:30.3
Puntahan natin yung PI.
33:31.2
Okay.
33:31.4
Kasi nadinig kayo
33:32.2
yung mga pahayag nyo nito.
33:33.2
Talagang very passionately
33:34.4
against PI kayo.
33:35.9
Bakit ba kayo
33:36.4
napapa-PI dito
33:37.3
sa PI na ito?
33:40.5
Kasi,
33:41.5
kuha naman talaga,
33:43.1
una muna,
33:44.2
na klaro naman doon,
33:45.3
lumabas ngayon
33:45.9
sa Senate investigation,
33:47.9
na klaro
33:48.9
na ito ay
33:49.7
hindi initiated
33:50.6
ng
33:51.4
taong bayan.
33:54.2
Eh,
33:54.5
ang People's Initiative
33:55.6
under the Constitution,
33:56.8
Christian,
33:57.8
framers of our Constitution
33:59.4
intended that
34:00.5
to be
34:01.3
a feature of
34:02.3
direct democracy.
34:03.9
The Philippine State
34:04.8
is representative democracy.
34:07.8
Pero nag-reserva
34:08.8
ang framers
34:10.0
ng ating Constitution
34:10.9
ng mga ilang areas
34:12.1
kung saan gumagana
34:13.8
ang direct democracy,
34:15.1
meaning to say,
34:16.1
directly,
34:17.0
ang taong bayan
34:18.0
ang maggagawa
34:19.2
ng ordinansa,
34:20.7
batas,
34:21.6
at
34:21.8
mag-a-amenda
34:22.9
ng Constitution.
34:24.2
So, it's provided there
34:25.3
for direct democracy.
34:27.0
So, common sense
34:28.0
na direct democracy yan,
34:29.3
dapat sa kanilang
34:30.2
nanggaling
34:30.9
ang inisiyatibo.
34:32.4
Eh, dito sa nangyaring
34:33.4
so-called
34:34.8
People's Initiative,
34:36.3
hindi naman
34:36.7
gagaling sa taong bayan
34:38.0
na wala nga
34:38.6
kabuang-muwang
34:39.4
kung ano yung
34:40.0
nilang pinipirmahan
34:41.0
dahil misleading
34:41.9
ang mga sinasabi nila.
34:43.6
Tingnan mo na lang
34:44.4
yung Echapuera
34:45.4
ka,
34:47.1
ikaw nila,
34:47.9
Echapuera
34:48.6
ads
34:49.9
na binayara nila
34:50.9
ng 50 million.
34:52.2
Di ba?
34:52.6
Hindi naman yun
34:53.5
ang pinapirma nila
34:54.4
sa taong bayan.
34:56.0
Hindi naman yung
34:56.6
pinapirma nila
34:57.3
yung edukasyon daw.
34:59.0
Di ba?
34:59.3
Hindi naman yun
34:59.8
ang pinapirma nila,
35:00.6
joint at separate voting ba?
35:02.6
Dapat joint,
35:03.3
yun ang pinapirma nila.
35:04.7
So,
35:05.3
talagang misleading.
35:07.3
O tapos,
35:07.8
ginastusan pa nila
35:08.7
nang nilagyan pa nila
35:10.4
ng mga makinarya,
35:11.5
may mga tinatawag silang
35:12.7
operations manager.
35:16.0
So, ito ay
35:16.8
political operation.
35:17.8
At nakakatawa to,
35:18.7
Christian,
35:19.3
dun sa Senate investigation
35:20.7
na yun.
35:21.6
Ang,
35:22.8
parang,
35:23.7
ako,
35:24.0
inamin
35:25.0
ni Mr. Uñate
35:26.4
na I've been a political
35:27.7
operator for 30 years.
35:29.9
O,
35:30.0
ano,
35:30.6
ang ginagawa
35:31.4
ng isang political operator
35:32.9
sa people's initiative.
35:36.0
Di ba?
35:36.3
Ito ibig sabihin,
35:37.1
pinapolitical operation mo ito.
35:39.6
Hindi ito talaga
35:40.6
ay,
35:41.0
you know,
35:42.0
initiative by
35:42.8
the people.
35:44.5
Di ba?
35:44.7
So,
35:45.3
halatang halata
35:46.1
na ito ay gawa-gawa
35:48.0
na mga people in power.
35:50.5
And it is a dangerous
35:51.6
exercise.
35:53.9
Kasi,
35:54.3
when they have this tool
35:55.4
in their hands,
35:56.5
they could actually,
35:57.6
you know,
35:58.7
defeat
36:00.0
the will of the people
36:01.0
by using the people.
36:02.6
Yung gamit-gamit nila
36:03.8
ang so-called people,
36:06.0
pero mag-iintroduce sila
36:08.0
ng mga bagay-bagay
36:09.2
na will be against
36:11.1
the people's interest.
36:12.7
And when it becomes
36:13.6
an easy tool for them,
36:16.3
they,
36:16.9
who will say,
36:18.0
later on,
36:18.6
ano na yung babaguhin nilang
36:19.8
konstitusyon dyan,
36:20.8
ano namang constitutional provision
36:22.5
ang babaguhin nilang dyan,
36:24.5
nakakreate na sila
36:25.5
ng mga makinarya for that,
36:27.2
nababayaran nila.
36:28.8
So,
36:28.9
it's really dangerous.
36:30.0
Yung ganititong form
36:31.0
ng P.I.,
36:31.6
it should be stamped out.
36:33.0
Na-miss ko yun,
36:34.1
pinapanood ko yan.
36:35.0
Inamin pala niya na
36:36.0
political operator siya.
36:37.6
Oh,
36:38.1
hindi lang yun.
36:39.1
I've been a political operator
36:40.7
for 30 years.
36:42.7
Tapos yung abogado niya,
36:44.2
parang hinahabol siya.
36:46.9
Nahabol siya,
36:47.7
bakit mo sinasabi yan?
36:49.5
I could almost imagine
36:50.9
yung stress level
36:52.2
ni Atty. Abisado
36:53.7
nakatabi niya.
36:55.9
Talaga,
36:56.5
alam mo,
36:56.9
si Mr. Oñate
36:57.8
is really one of the
36:59.3
best witnesses
37:00.0
para,
37:01.0
ang sarap talaga
37:01.7
maging witness eh.
37:02.8
Kasi hindi mo hinihingi eh,
37:04.1
binobolontir eh.
37:05.4
Diba?
37:06.1
Witness against self-interest
37:07.5
ba yan?
37:07.9
Oh, against himself.
37:09.0
Diba?
37:10.6
Okay.
37:11.5
Ito nga pala,
37:12.1
sige,
37:12.3
pag-usapan natin yan.
37:13.4
Yung P.I.
37:14.7
as designed by the
37:15.6
framers of the Constitution
37:16.7
as a way
37:18.7
to exercise
37:19.6
direct democracy.
37:21.3
No?
37:21.9
Doon po sa mga nanonood,
37:23.6
paano ba tayo
37:24.2
nakapag-exercise
37:25.2
ang direct democracy?
37:26.3
Sa pagboto,
37:26.8
for instance,
37:27.5
no?
37:28.1
So, we vote directly.
37:29.4
Yung mga president,
37:30.0
diba?
37:30.7
Mga ganyan.
37:31.9
Pag-usapan natin itong
37:33.2
P.I.
37:34.2
Diba dapat dyan
37:34.8
amendment lang?
37:36.5
Okay.
37:37.6
One thing that boggles me,
37:39.2
attorney,
37:40.1
may isip ba ng,
37:41.3
ito lang ah,
37:41.9
sa dami nang pwede
37:42.7
mong pakialaman sa Constitution,
37:44.7
one issue,
37:45.5
one item,
37:46.6
na gagawin mong subject
37:47.6
ng P.I.,
37:49.0
I can't imagine
37:50.4
na may isip na
37:51.0
ordinaryong Pilipino na,
37:52.7
ah, gusto ko po
37:53.4
bumoto as one
37:54.4
ang mga senador
37:55.1
at saka mga house members.
37:57.1
I mean,
37:57.4
it boggles the mind.
37:59.0
Yeah.
37:59.5
That's what I pointed out
38:01.1
na ginawa nilang
38:02.4
two-stage.
38:03.5
Actually,
38:04.0
what they wanna do is
38:06.4
not to introduce
38:08.0
the amendments
38:09.3
that they wanna make
38:10.4
directly to the people.
38:12.7
Diba?
38:13.5
Hindi mo naman nilalagay,
38:14.8
hindi naman nilalagay doon
38:16.0
ang economic provisions
38:17.0
na babaguhin
38:17.8
para magkaroon ng discussion.
38:20.0
Ang kanila lang
38:20.8
na pinapirma
38:21.6
yung means.
38:23.3
So,
38:24.2
kasi,
38:25.2
kapag,
38:25.8
sa kanilang isip,
38:27.7
kapag kasi na
38:28.6
hindi na
38:29.4
settle
38:29.9
kung joint
38:31.2
o separate voting
38:32.3
ba ang house
38:33.3
at saka ang senate,
38:34.6
magiging obstruction pa siya eh.
38:37.1
So,
38:37.9
yung kanilang naging aim is,
38:40.0
o,
38:40.3
i-people's initiative natin
38:41.7
yung pag-settle
38:42.6
ng question na yan.
38:43.8
Which, again,
38:44.3
is also suspect.
38:45.8
Kasi,
38:46.2
ang dapat maging remedyo mo
38:47.5
ay pumunta ka sa Supreme Court
38:48.9
para i-interpret
38:50.5
ang constitutional provision
38:52.2
ng three-fourths vote
38:54.7
ng all members of Congress
38:56.5
whether it is
38:57.2
joint or separate.
38:58.6
Whether it is intended
39:00.5
that Congress will act
39:02.2
as a bicameral institution
39:04.7
and yung pagiging bicameral nila
39:08.0
is carried over
39:08.9
to their task
39:10.0
as the Constituent Assembly.
39:11.9
Dapat Supreme Court
39:13.3
ang nag-de-decide yan eh.
39:14.8
Diba?
39:15.5
Pero yung ginawa nila,
39:16.5
ginawa nila
39:17.0
ang pang-interpret
39:18.0
ang taong bayan
39:19.3
na ang ibig sabihin yan
39:22.3
ay joint.
39:24.1
Yun muna yung ginawa nila.
39:26.4
Ang pinaka-next stage talaga niya
39:28.3
ay hindi nila
39:28.6
hindi na people's initiative.
39:30.2
Kasi once
39:31.3
na nakalusot
39:32.7
na joint voting
39:35.1
ang next stage niyan
39:36.9
ay
39:37.3
ang
39:39.1
magbabago talaga
39:40.7
sa konstitusyon
39:41.6
ay Constituent Assembly.
39:43.9
Hindi na people's initiative.
39:45.5
Hindi na tao.
39:46.7
So, yung mga
39:48.0
medyo
39:49.6
medyo tinatawagan
39:52.1
ako patayin ko lang muna to.
39:53.7
So, hindi na taong bayan
39:54.8
na mag-iintroduce
39:55.6
ng amendments niyan.
39:56.8
Mga kongresista na.
39:57.9
Kasi,
39:58.6
voting na eh.
39:59.7
So,
40:01.0
di ba?
40:01.4
Hindi naman kasali
40:03.0
ang people actually.
40:04.4
Di ba?
40:05.0
Sa inyong gusto.
40:06.4
Di ba?
40:06.9
Hindi kasali
40:07.8
sa mga changes
40:09.1
sa konstitusyon
40:10.0
kasi hindi naman yan
40:11.0
ang sinagmit mo.
40:12.6
Mapasok ka pa rin.
40:13.5
Mag-i-ending.
40:14.2
Ang ending pa rin ito
40:15.4
ay
40:15.7
ang mga kongresista
40:17.1
ang mag-iintroduce
40:18.2
ng amendments.
40:19.3
So, talagang
40:20.0
nakakatawa eh.
40:21.7
Nakakatawa yung
40:22.4
kanilang ginagawa.
40:23.7
Ano imagine kong
40:24.6
metaphor dyan
40:25.6
at turn ni Luke?
40:26.2
Yung pipong
40:27.0
kunwari ko yung congressman.
40:28.6
Meron kang gustong
40:29.5
tahakin na landas
40:30.5
kaso may nakabara.
40:32.1
Senador.
40:33.5
Ngayon,
40:34.2
may mga backup ka
40:35.0
mga tao.
40:35.7
Binola bola mo.
40:37.5
Tanggalin nyo nga
40:38.1
itong balakid na to.
40:39.4
Yun yun eh.
40:39.9
Di ba?
40:40.6
Yes.
40:41.1
Para tanggalin yung
40:42.9
balakid.
40:44.3
Eh,
40:45.3
okay.
40:45.9
Pag-usapan natin.
40:46.7
Magkano?
40:47.0
50M ba?
40:48.2
I think more than pa yata eh.
40:50.1
Para 55 yata
40:51.0
if I remember right.
40:52.3
Yung kanilang
40:53.0
Echapuera.
40:54.7
Ah,
40:55.0
Echapuera pala.
40:55.8
Oh.
40:57.1
Nababas ba sa
40:58.0
ano?
40:58.3
Hindi ko kasi naano yun eh.
40:59.9
Na-establish ba
41:00.5
kung saan galing yun?
41:01.3
Kasi it's not a small amount.
41:02.7
No?
41:02.8
55 or 50M?
41:04.7
Alam mo ang sagot nila?
41:06.7
Secret.
41:08.0
Eh,
41:08.4
pinapaproduce na
41:09.9
si Mr. Onyate.
41:10.9
Sinong donors mo?
41:11.9
Kasi sabi niya
41:12.4
donors eh.
41:13.8
Donors yan.
41:15.0
Sino?
41:16.1
Oh,
41:16.5
lahat ng lista
41:17.1
ng donors mo
41:18.0
ay
41:18.5
dalhin mo dito.
41:19.5
Nagsiring.
41:20.5
Ang sabi niya,
41:21.2
okay.
41:22.4
Nagsiring.
41:23.0
Yun yung inatendan ko.
41:24.4
Ay,
41:25.8
kasi tinanong ko
41:26.7
yung mga donors ko
41:27.6
kung
41:27.9
okay lang
41:29.7
i-divulge ko
41:30.6
name nila.
41:31.4
Eh,
41:31.7
ayaw nila eh.
41:32.6
Confidential daw eh.
41:34.0
O,
41:34.2
anong nangyari?
41:34.9
Eh,
41:35.1
binalik ko nalang yung
41:35.8
donation sa kanila.
41:37.6
Oh,
41:38.1
ayos ah.
41:39.7
Diba?
41:40.5
Pwede mong
41:40.9
pwedeng
41:42.1
i-inventuhin mo
41:43.5
yung ganyang kwento eh.
41:45.1
Eh,
41:45.3
kasi ang
41:45.8
next na tanong
41:47.3
o,
41:48.1
baka
41:48.6
sige nga
41:50.0
kanino mo
41:51.8
binalik?
41:52.4
Eh,
41:52.6
ganun din na
41:53.0
sasabihin mo
41:53.4
confidential eh.
41:54.2
Papasok lahat
41:54.8
sa confidential.
41:56.3
Yan yung nangyari dyan.
41:57.7
So,
41:57.9
lalabas
41:58.8
ang donor na ito
41:59.8
ay secret.
42:01.7
Diba?
42:02.2
Okay.
42:02.6
May mga secret donors.
42:04.6
Hindi,
42:04.8
kaya diba tinatanong sila nila
42:06.0
ano,
42:06.4
ng ilang mga senador,
42:07.6
nagbayad mo na ng ano yun?
42:08.6
Donor's tax yung mga gano'n.
42:09.9
Diba?
42:10.6
Yung pagpapalit ng pera.
42:12.2
Eh,
42:13.5
parang hindi rin yata
42:14.2
natapos yung diskusyon din eh.
42:15.5
Tama ba?
42:16.0
Hindi.
42:17.1
Maganda rin ang
42:18.1
kuwan.
42:19.3
Kaya
42:19.8
perfect witness
42:20.9
si Mr. Onyate.
42:22.6
Perfect witness.
42:24.1
Kasi sabi niya,
42:24.9
kasi alam mo,
42:26.1
diba,
42:26.3
sabi niya,
42:27.2
hindi naman
42:29.4
ginagawa ko ito,
42:30.9
political operator ako
42:32.0
for 30 years.
42:33.4
Hindi naman ginagawa yan
42:34.6
o nagbabayad
42:35.4
ng donor's tax.
42:36.9
So,
42:37.1
inamin niya na wala
42:37.8
ng donor's tax.
42:39.8
Pangalawang anin.
42:41.0
Ay,
42:41.5
at orin,
42:42.0
abisado,
42:42.5
gano'n na naman.
42:43.2
Gusto din ako siya.
42:45.0
Gustong tumalon lahat,
42:46.4
ha.
42:46.5
Gano'n na naman
42:47.0
yung bibig niya.
42:48.4
Parang dalawang paa mo
42:49.4
nabaril mo,
42:50.1
ha.
42:50.2
Magkasaya.
42:51.3
Ha, talaga?
42:52.4
Grabe.
42:52.8
Hindi ko naanong
42:53.3
parang yan.
42:54.2
I like him.
42:54.9
I like him as a witness.
42:56.8
May pagdanil,
42:57.2
parang ba?
42:58.0
Ah,
42:58.3
tuloy-tuloy pa yan, ha.
42:59.8
Ang problema,
43:00.6
ang problema,
43:03.1
ah,
43:03.3
Christian,
43:03.8
hindi ko na naabutan
43:05.1
kung kailan yung next schedule
43:06.4
pero alamin ko na lang.
43:08.0
Pero meron pa.
43:09.3
Meron pa.
43:09.8
Hindi ko lang alam kung
43:10.7
when.
43:12.4
Okay.
43:12.9
Asagay,
43:13.2
bilang panghuli,
43:13.7
Atty. Luke,
43:16.5
hindi tatanong, eh.
43:17.3
Tatakbo ba rauli kayo
43:18.2
sa pagkaselador?
43:19.9
Hehehe.
43:22.4
Medyo,
43:23.1
alam,
43:23.5
eto, Christian, ha.
43:25.7
Unang-una,
43:27.0
ah,
43:27.2
kung
43:27.9
yes man ang sagot dyan,
43:29.5
ba't ko naman sasabihin
43:30.4
yes,
43:30.8
yung aga-aga?
43:32.4
Diba, alam ko,
43:33.6
kapag
43:34.1
early ka nag-declare,
43:36.7
diba,
43:37.4
ah,
43:38.7
target ka na.
43:40.4
Kaya nga,
43:41.2
yung ginagawa ng mga early
43:42.2
yung nag-declare early,
43:44.3
hindi wise yun,
43:45.8
diba?
43:46.6
Kung sasabihin ko namang hindi,
43:49.3
at, ah,
43:51.2
tumakbo pala ako,
43:52.2
eh, di para akong,
43:53.3
diba,
43:53.6
naging sinungaling.
43:55.0
Kaya,
43:55.4
kayaan na lang natin
43:56.6
time will,
43:57.2
yan na lang.
43:57.9
Parang si Gloria,
43:58.8
yung ano,
43:59.3
sabi niya,
43:59.7
I will not run again.
44:01.0
Oo.
44:01.9
Tumakbo noong 2004.
44:04.1
Okay.
44:05.4
Ah, so, ganun.
44:06.1
Eto, last nga pala.
44:07.1
Curious ako,
44:07.8
I don't know kung natanong ko sa inyo
44:08.8
ito last time.
44:09.6
Ano ba yung mga big,
44:10.3
ano yung biggest lesson
44:11.3
na napulot nyo
44:12.4
dun sa karanasan nyo
44:13.6
nung tumakbo kayo
44:15.1
noong 2022?
44:17.4
Ah,
44:18.0
biggest lesson
44:18.7
na napulot ko,
44:20.3
well,
44:21.3
may section
44:22.0
sa ating population
44:23.3
at malaki yan,
44:24.4
significant yan,
44:25.1
hindi yan ma-ignore
44:26.2
na gusto naman,
44:27.2
na talaga ng pagbabago,
44:28.4
sinusukan na ang trapo,
44:29.5
sinusukan na yung luma.
44:31.1
And,
44:31.6
that's where I decide
44:33.1
to address myself.
44:35.0
I will,
44:35.4
I wanna address myself
44:36.7
to the forces for change
44:38.1
in our country.
44:38.9
Alam natin,
44:40.0
na dito sa ating lipunan,
44:41.2
lipunang Pilipino,
44:42.5
na talagang
44:43.4
sinira ng todo-todo
44:45.3
ng mga trapo,
44:46.0
lalo, lalo na ni Duterte,
44:47.7
ah,
44:48.2
nung siya ay naging presidente,
44:49.4
sinira ang ating mga values.
44:51.2
Alam natin,
44:51.7
na marami,
44:52.7
marami,
44:53.9
ang hindi mo masasabing
44:55.9
nandun sa panig
44:56.9
ng pagbabago.
44:58.2
Pero meron eh,
44:59.3
meron pa rin mga
45:00.4
significant na numero.
45:02.7
At marami dyan mga kabataan
45:04.1
na gusto ng pagbabago,
45:05.9
gusto ng politikang may prinsipyo,
45:08.0
sinusuka ang trapo.
45:09.5
And whatever it is
45:10.7
na mangyayari sa akin,
45:14.0
ang direksyon ko
45:14.9
is really to cater to that.
45:16.6
Come what may,
45:17.6
win or lose,
45:18.9
I'm gonna cater to that
45:20.1
force in our society
45:21.4
that will
45:22.1
want change in our country
45:24.3
and in our society.
45:26.2
Okay.
45:26.9
Okay.
45:27.2
Ako, sige, well said.
45:28.4
Maraming salamat po,
45:29.3
Atty. Luke Espiritu.
45:30.8
Sa uulitin po ah,
45:31.8
sana hindi kayo nadala.
45:32.8
Maraming salamat for joining us.
45:34.0
Thank you, thank you, Christian.
45:35.6
Oo.
45:36.1
In-install po na ako
45:36.9
ng mga tumatawag sa akin eh,
45:38.2
kaya magpapaalam na rin ako sa'yo.
45:40.4
Sige, sige, sige, sige.
45:41.4
Maraming salamat po.
45:41.7
Maraming salamat, Christian ah.
45:43.5
Sa uulitin.
45:45.0
Oo, promise, sige.
45:46.4
Thank you, thank you.
45:47.7
Si Atty. Luke Espiritu,
45:49.4
nakausap po natin.
45:50.5
Mukhang marami rin tumatawag sa kanya.
45:52.9
Okay.
45:53.5
Ano, okay ba sa inyo
45:56.9
pa natin, no?
45:58.0
Kaya Arturo Lascañas,
45:59.9
grabe.
46:01.8
Bigat.
46:04.3
Well,
46:05.2
hindi man tayo nakakapag-usap
46:06.4
ng mag-aang dito
46:08.4
sa Fox First eh, no?
46:10.6
Well,
46:11.2
mag-guess natin si Ronald Llamas.
46:13.0
Medyo,
46:13.7
napapagaan ng konti
46:14.7
yung mga diskusyon.
46:15.7
Pero heavy pa rin
46:16.4
pag-inisip nyo, no?
46:17.8
Ang pag-guess natin
46:18.5
si Barry Gutierrez,
46:19.8
si Alan Herman,
46:21.6
ayan.
46:23.0
Si Justice Carpio,
46:24.1
napapangiti natin minsan.
46:25.6
Si Atty. Nery,
46:26.9
napapangiti natin
46:27.8
kahit pa pa, no?
46:28.6
Pero,
46:29.9
ang common denominator,
46:31.0
medyo pabigat po
46:32.1
yung mga pinag-uusapan natin.
46:33.6
Okay,
46:33.9
bago po tayo magtapos, no?
46:35.2
May mga babatiin po tayo.
46:37.1
At isa na po dyan
46:37.9
ang ating kaibigan
46:38.8
na bumibisita po dito
46:40.0
sa Pilipinas ngayon.
46:41.1
Nandito po siya ngayon.
46:42.5
Si Harold Khan.
46:44.6
Ayan.
46:45.0
Yung maderas po manood dyan,
46:46.1
from Vienna.
46:47.1
Nakatira po yan sa Vienna,
46:48.9
Austria.
46:50.1
And he's in town
46:51.2
for a vacation.
46:53.0
Kanina nagkita kami.
46:54.3
Kasama namin
46:55.0
si Architect Felicissimo,
46:56.7
Tejuco Jr.
46:58.7
Ayan.
46:58.9
Gusto ko lang po i-announce
47:00.5
kasi meron palang exhibit
47:01.7
itong si Harold Khan.
47:03.4
Isa po itong napakagaling
47:04.5
at matinik na visual artist.
47:08.1
Ayan.
47:08.7
Meron po sila exhibit.
47:09.9
Meron po siyang solo exhibit
47:11.4
sa darating na Feb 24.
47:14.2
Ang opening po.
47:15.2
5 p.m.
47:16.5
Gaganapin po exhibit
47:17.6
ni Harold Khan
47:19.7
sa Altro Mundo
47:21.5
sa Makati,
47:23.2
Chino Roses po.
47:24.4
Ayan.
47:25.0
Kung meron po kayo oras,
47:26.0
sa daan po
47:26.7
kayo sa Feb 24.
47:28.8
Ayan.
47:29.3
Hindi po kayo magsisisi.
47:30.3
Nakita ko yung ano niya,
47:31.5
yung kanyang mga gawa.
47:33.0
Galing.
47:34.0
Maraming salamat.
47:35.0
Ayan.
47:35.2
Ang pangalan niya,
47:35.8
Harold Khan.
47:37.3
Ayan.
47:38.9
Tapos,
47:39.3
binabati rin po natin
47:40.4
itong si Architect Turista
47:42.1
from Quezon Province.
47:43.7
Ayan.
47:43.9
Nag-message po siya kanina.
47:45.8
Tapos,
47:46.3
si Perpetua Isabel
47:47.4
Ebihara.
47:48.2
Gustong-gusto namin
47:49.0
si Sir Luke.
47:49.8
Especially,
47:50.5
may Brother Joseph.
47:51.6
Pa-shoutout din po.
47:53.1
Tapos,
47:53.7
si Miss Norma Lassam.
47:55.3
Ayan.
47:55.5
Excited to watch your program.
47:56.7
Every day.
47:57.5
Si Nancy Pastrana
47:58.8
in Paris.
48:00.2
Ayan.
48:00.5
Shoutout sa iyo.
48:01.3
Nanonood siya from
48:02.4
wow,
48:03.5
araw-araw po.
48:04.2
From Paris, France.
48:06.1
Ayan.
48:06.7
Si Lenny Bongat.
48:09.0
Balik na lang ako mamaya.
48:10.2
Busy ako sa work.
48:11.4
Ayan.
48:11.7
O sige po.
48:12.9
Okay lang po.
48:13.8
Pwede naman po manood ng replay.
48:15.1
Maraming salamat po.
48:16.5
Si Glenda Ragin
48:18.3
o Raguin.
48:19.8
Bangers from Riyadh,
48:21.1
Saudi Arabia.
48:22.2
Ayan.
48:22.5
Keep safe everyone.
48:23.5
Maraming salamat po.
48:24.6
Ayan.
48:24.8
Si Norma Lassam.
48:25.8
Ayan.
48:26.3
Yung kanina.
48:26.7
Ayan.
48:28.5
Pabati naman sa birthday ko na
48:30.4
ayun.
48:31.2
Maraming salamat po
48:32.2
ma'am Norma.
48:33.0
Happy birthday po
48:34.0
in advance
48:34.7
sa darating na
48:35.9
Feb 27.
48:37.1
Ayan.
48:38.1
She'll be turning
48:39.1
68 years old.
48:40.9
Maraming salamat po
48:41.7
ma'am Norma.
48:43.0
Salamat din po
48:43.9
Sir Joe V.
48:45.8
Sa inyong
48:46.3
ipinadala.
48:48.1
Tapos,
48:48.8
ah, ito.
48:49.2
Binasa ko yung tanong
48:49.9
ni Dennis.
48:51.0
Attorney Luke,
48:51.7
magta-try ba uli kayo
48:52.8
sa Senado
48:53.5
sa 2025?
48:55.5
Hindi problema yun.
48:56.2
Pag-try,
48:56.7
eh.
48:57.0
Ang dapat baguhin siguro
48:58.3
yung ano rin, eh.
48:59.3
Yung,
48:59.7
ay, nanonood si Harold, oh.
49:00.9
Nasa ka ba ngayon, Harold?
49:02.2
Ayan, ah.
49:03.1
Ayan, oh.
49:03.7
Binago pa yung profile picture
49:05.0
para dito,
49:05.7
para ngayong gabi, ah.
49:07.3
Ayan.
49:07.8
Si Robic Paul Victoria.
49:09.2
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
49:11.1
Ah,
49:13.2
book recommendations
49:15.1
naman,
49:15.6
Sir Richard.
49:16.5
Ah,
49:17.1
maliha ta po yung
49:18.2
yung channel na napuntahan niya.
49:20.2
Pero sige,
49:20.7
pwede po ako magbigay
49:21.5
ng mga book recommendations po,
49:23.0
ano,
49:23.6
sa susunod.
49:24.7
Ayan.
49:26.7
Tapos po,
49:27.8
ah,
49:28.5
ayan,
49:28.9
si Andrea,
49:29.6
shoutout sa lahat ng mga
49:31.1
team replay.
49:32.7
Si Lilian Gaspar,
49:33.8
watching from Cyprus.
49:35.8
Tapos,
49:36.4
si Glenn Vincent,
49:37.8
watching from Ontario.
49:40.6
Ah,
49:42.6
ayan po,
49:43.1
si Marian Silva.
49:44.3
Maraming salamat din po,
49:45.5
watching from Italy.
49:47.4
Ah,
49:49.9
mo naman,
49:50.6
Randolph Golong.
49:52.3
Sarap manood sa Fox First.
49:54.2
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
49:55.3
Just Vincent,
49:56.1
maraming salamat,
49:56.7
maraming salamat din, ah.
49:57.7
O, Harold Canang.
49:58.7
Binawala ako ni Harold, oh.
49:59.8
Ang ganda ng shirt mo.
50:01.0
Ayun, oh.
50:02.3
Kaya pala,
50:02.8
meron tayong bagong, ano, ah.
50:04.2
Meron tayong bagong edition.
50:05.8
Diba,
50:06.7
yung current na available,
50:08.0
yung
50:08.2
facts,
50:10.0
hindi feelings.
50:11.1
Meron tayong susunod, ah.
50:12.5
Tingin ko,
50:13.2
magugustuhan niyo rin ito, ano.
50:14.9
Tingin ko lang.
50:16.3
Ayan.
50:17.2
Related po sa mga trolls,
50:18.8
yung susunod na
50:19.7
ah,
50:20.8
shirt edition natin.
50:22.2
Ayan.
50:24.0
Okay.
50:25.8
Ah, sige.
50:26.2
Maraming salamat.
50:26.3
Maraming salamat.
50:26.4
Maraming salamat.
50:26.4
Maraming salamat.
50:26.4
Maraming salamat po.
50:27.5
Ayan.
50:27.7
Si Carl Justin Orbe,
50:29.0
watching from DC.
50:30.2
Sino ko ba?
50:32.3
Hampas Lupang Hacendero,
50:34.2
watching from Dubai.
50:37.1
Ayan.
50:37.5
Aileen Nonan,
50:38.4
maraming salamat sa comment mo.
50:40.8
Sino ko ba?
50:41.9
Ah, si Bev.
50:42.8
Mam Bev.
50:43.9
Birthday weekend
50:44.8
from New Brunswick, Canada.
50:47.4
Si Lynn.
50:48.6
Maraming salamat din po.
50:50.6
Ah,
50:51.1
yung mga nanonood dito sa Pilipinas,
50:52.8
huwag kayong mahiyang magbanggit, ah.
50:53.9
Baka sabihin nyo,
50:54.9
ayan.
50:55.5
Ayan po,
50:56.8
si Katrine Chan.
50:57.7
Maraming salamat din po sa'yo.
50:59.2
Fraternity brother niya si Lucas Pirito,
51:01.1
Bobby Chan,
51:02.3
ah,
51:03.0
San Pedro,
51:04.0
Laguna.
51:05.1
Ayan.
51:05.7
Salamat, Rudora, ha.
51:06.7
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
51:09.0
Ayan.
51:10.5
Sabi ni Andrea,
51:11.4
na-miss namin kagabi
51:12.3
si Mr. Huachon.
51:14.3
Ah, wala ba siya kagabi?
51:15.9
Ah, seryoso iusapin kagabi.
51:17.7
Basta pag si
51:18.5
Mr. Huachon
51:20.0
ang kausap nyo,
51:21.6
si Duterte lang
51:22.5
ang sakalam.
51:23.6
Yun yun.
51:24.6
Alam nyo na yan.
51:25.5
Si Duterte lang
51:27.2
ang sakalam.
51:29.5
Okay.
51:30.6
Orwell, maraming salamat
51:31.7
sa'yo.
51:32.4
Clarita,
51:33.4
Spain.
51:34.8
Watching from
51:35.8
Valenzuela,
51:37.1
maraming salamat po.
51:38.2
Ayan.
51:38.8
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
51:40.9
Ayan.
51:41.3
Pasagay po.
51:42.3
Kita-kita po tayo bukas.
51:43.9
Ay, mali.
51:44.5
Sabad na na pa lang bukas.
51:46.2
Okay.
51:46.9
Kita-kita po tayo sa lunes.
51:48.1
Maraming salamat po.
51:49.5
And,
51:49.9
thank you for joining us
51:51.8
dito po sa Facts First.
51:52.8
Maraming salamat po
51:54.0
sa patuloy nyo po
51:54.8
pag-suporta
51:55.4
sa ating podcast.
51:57.2
Magandang labi pa.


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