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dalawang house, and then there's

a China element, which I think I want to

discuss this in our last part, very shortly.

I hope we can catch up again soon,

Senator. At least I feel, you can see

we're very comfortable, and I think people are loving our

conversation, even if they're just hearing our audio muna.

There's a huge number of people are listening

to us right now. Let's talk about this issue of national

interest in China.

For a moment, especially

yung mga nakikinig sa atin, and never, Marcos,

I mean, we can go through a long list of your

dissatisfaction with BBM, okay? Gets ko yan.

But this issue of West Philippine Sea

is something very serious, right? Because in a way,

ang Pilipinas ay parang Berlin

in the 1950s. Talagang gitna

tayo ng dalawang higante. Obviously,

US is an ally, and China is a threat,

but the superpowers

are all here. Ang alam ko, lahat ng intel assets

nung isa, nandito na eh, di ba?

They're trying to fight, and of course,

they have their proxies. We don't even need to spell

this out. So, a lot is at stake

here, a lot of big geopolitical events, and

kaya nga, you go to US, tayo nag-abroad,

nakikita mo, they pay attention kung Pinoy ka ngayon,

kasi, we are a very important

country. But speaking

of that, the Philippines is also going through some

interesting changes in its

national security doctrine. I mean, we announced

what is it, 9 trillion

pesos, AFP modernization

act, getting submarines, etc.

Navy atom

background, you know?

Your dad was also Navy, right?

So, it makes you even more relevant

because a lot of this is about submarines and

warships, etc. First, what is your

take on this US-China competition part, and

how much the opposition should be also vigilant?

Na hindi ito ng drama lang dalawang

pamilya. This is the drama of global

geopolitics in the 21st century, na nakataon

nandito tayo sa gitna. And we also

have our own interests, of course, sa West Philippine Sea

and Taiwan even.

Inevitably, the issue of ETCA. But the

other one also I want to ask is,

where do you see this issue of

modernization of AFP? Do you think realistically

we can become a force in our own

right? Sorry, I'm throwing

all of this kasi napahaba yung usapan natin

kanina na migraine kaya.

So, can we a little bit discuss about

the US-China aspect, and then

transition na tayo sa AFP and West Philippine Sea?

Okay. Well, let me just

add a

dimension dun sa previous

conversation natin. The

geopolitical situation

between itong

China

and the US,

ito na ngayon,

can be, ano,

is part of the dimension dito sa

Duterte-Marcos,

ano,

ano to, rift, ano. Kaya

with China backing

the Dutertes, kasi alam nila

in SNAP,

mag-shift ka

agad pagka Sarah assumes

as president, immediately

magpa-pro-China policy ka agad

dyan. Within

24 hours, ihinto yung EDCA

and everything. Ngayon, lahat ito

I believe is

anchored on the

basic issue

na whether China

will reclaim Taiwan or not.

So, based on the

intelligence

information,

they plan to make a move

within the next few years, tinitingin lang

by 2027. So, what

China is trying to prevent is

any possible hindrance

to that plan. And

ang hindrance dun, ang primary hindrance

dun would be the ability of

the US to

engage in a

what's this, in a war,

supporting war.

Importante yung mga

forward operating

bases or

let's say EDCA,

itong EDCA bases na ito,

can be, ano ito eh,

technically

forward operating bases.

Once fully operational siya,

ngayon iniiwasan ng China yun.

And

in full swing na yung development na ito,

once fully operational,

it cannot be undone.

So, the time to move

would be itong

mga panahon na yan.

Kaya nga itong Auster

plots

against the Marcoses

are real and imminent.

Kaya yun yung nakikita kong

pinaghuhugutan ng lakas ng loob

ni Duterte. Kasi you don't just

do an open war like that

against Marcos

na wala kang

ano,

nasa likod.

So, ngayon yun yung

tinitignan natin. Ngayon,

dito naman sa foreign policy

shift, actually yun yung

isa sa pinakang

nagulat ako.

I did not expect that

see that coming during the elections

and after. So, when the president

officially shifted

back to the western allies,

talagang parang

wow, galing nun, diba?

Talagang na,

tinalikuran ito. Then, ito na ngayon

yung ating

AP modernization. Itong AP

modernization, talagang

hindi talaga tayo makakalapit

dun sa level

ng China. Pero,

meron tinatawag na

credible defense posture.

Pero, tinanggal na yung minimum, diba?

Wala na yung minimum.

Credible defense tayo. So, we want to be kind of

middle power, kind of a

decent armed forces.

Hindi lang yung minimum lang na small power.

We're not poison shrimp.

At saka, ano kasi, kailangan natin

kumaga ma-break in

sa technological

divide. Kasi, from World War II

vintage ships ngayon, missile

ships na inooperate nyo, it will take

a culture building

sa Navy.

How to maintain those things, how to

operate those things, kailangan nun.

So, itong mga lead-in

corvettes

or frigates that we have,

this will prepare us for,

more modern platforms

in the coming years.

Tapos, itong submarine,

itong submarine,

kailangan natin talagang

matutong gumamit niyan.

And, that will also

force us to have yung

mga charts,

naval charts na, kasi yung

mga charts natin, walang

pang submarine.

Maraming ma-aground diyan.

So,

we can,

we should have

that, those things available

for us. So, itong mga

aircraft, yung mga lead-in fighters from

Korea, sasabihin nila,

that's no match from the 5th generation

fighters ng China,

but, it will prepare the

fighters, again, dun sa

supersonic

na, ano,

na planes. Kasi,

before that, mga subsonic, ano lang tayo eh.

Mga Tora-Tora, kasi

nawala na yung mga F-5. So, kailangan

ma-

reintroduce yung

capacity na gano'n. Pero,

maganda dito sana, ang

na-overlook lang doon sa modernization natin,

is kailangan

explore na natin yung mga unmanned

systems. Symmetric drones

and, just like,

exactly, like what the,

you know, Ross Crane, Persian

Gulf, yung Iran-US, yung mga ganyan.

Yes, there's a lot to learn.

So, yan kasi, for

the developing

countries like us,

ito yung kahit papano, baka

mag-level ng playing field, kasi

hindi ito ganong kamahalan,

hindi rin ito, ano, but

ito yung technology na ngayon. Ito na yung

papasok yung technology.

Eventually, magiging,

ano na eh, obsolete na yung mga

manned

jets and ships.

So, ito na yung systems.

Kailangan na natin simulan ito

habang hindi pa, ano,

hindi pa, ano,

hindi pa, ano,

hindi pa, ano,

huli. So, all of these things,

ano naman, I think,

I don't know,

going into the right direction.

So, you think generally

we're moving in the right direction.

Thank you so much for that, Senator.

Actually, we can go on and on about this.

Submarines pa lang, medyo mahabang usapan

yan. You know, we can talk about

the options out there by Koreans, even

Italians apparently, in addition to French.

So, medyo technical issue yan.

So, ayaw kong, we can have a separate

one. Hopefully, we can catch up on that soon.

But, thank you so much,

Senator Trillianes. I mean, since last time

we discussed, I'm glad to see

medyo maaliwalas na yung mga

kasama natin. Those were the days.

They were very, very difficult.

I was still a little overweight that time.

Tapos, I gained weight. I mean, I look at

totally different guys. So,

those were not easy days for a lot of us

who cared about the Philippines, cared about

the West Philippines. We cared about the lives of

Filipino people, cared about the dignity

of our nation. So, I'm glad that we're

moving in a lot of direction. And thank you,

Senator Trillianes, for this,

very honest conversation about,

you know, it's not about choosing

between greater evil and lesser evil.

It's not about having popcorns. It's about

understanding that there are orders of magnitude

of difference in terms of the threats to

the constitutional order and the democracy we're

facing. But ako, I really appreciated

this emphasis na, eye on the ball

2028. But also, don't forget, baka 2025

pa lang, big moves could happen.

Thank you so much, Senator Trillianes.

I know there's more we can discuss, but I'd rather

keep it for future episodes.

I think one and a half hour na,

just like that. Because I'm sure

there'll be more drama and

bardagulan and plot twists as we get near

to 2025 elections. Thank you, Senator,

for sharing your views. Is there

anything you want to share on the record? We can

have a discussion off the record later on

before we wrap up this

very interesting discussion.

Well, thank you very much, Richard, for

inviting me, finally, to your program.

As always.

We'll be looking forward to more discussions

with you. Of course. Busy rin kayo.

And of course, I think a

lot of people have had the pleasure of also catching

you on Christian's show, the other

great political podcast. So I'm glad

na medyo active na rin kami ngayon sa

YouTube, hindi lang yung mga... Alam mo na,

di ba? So hopefully we'll have more of you.

Si Ronald Llamas, ginawa ko ng

co-host. May R&R na kami. So baka

next time, mag-RR, mag-RRT

na tayo.

Mag-treesome tayo ng analysis.

Thank you very much, Senator, and talk to you

soon. Thank you. God bless. Thank you.