00:16.4
Ang tawag nila dyan,
00:18.9
nung nanalo siya.
00:20.6
Si Digong, nanalo with only one...
00:22.5
Hindi na Volkswagen, ha?
00:24.0
Dato Volkswagen yung tricycle na ngayon.
00:26.3
One congressman, si Bebot Alvarez lang.
00:29.3
Riding in tandem lang sila.
00:33.0
pwede kang manalo without this support.
00:36.5
Dahil yan, bagahe pa,
00:38.8
Lalo na kung ang focus mo
00:40.4
ay presidency lang.
00:42.3
Lahat yan, sasama later
00:43.5
pag nanalo ka eh.
00:46.1
ayaw nilang bagahe yan.
00:48.3
Pero on the positive side naman,
00:51.3
itong sinasabi nating survey na
00:55.6
sinusuportahan si Lenny.
00:57.2
Natagdagan ng 10%
00:58.7
yung kanyang nakuhang boto
01:01.9
Ito yung mga hindi bumoto.
01:04.2
on the landscape,
01:08.4
kahit walang mga opisyal,
01:10.2
kahit walang mga congressman,
01:11.7
walang governor, etc.
01:13.0
Merong ganong potensyal
01:14.3
na pwede mong maging pundasyon
01:17.3
going into the midterm
01:18.6
and going into 2028.
01:22.8
yung 15 million na bumoto kay Lenny,
01:25.1
yung 27% na bumoto kay Lenny,
01:27.7
kung kinonsolidate nila yan
01:30.6
after the election,
01:31.8
nationwide thanksgiving tour,
01:34.1
nationwide listening tour,
01:35.6
tapos ipasa kay Risa,
01:37.5
baka iba yung naging resulta.
01:41.2
Pero yun nga, Ronald,
01:43.0
we've been saying this forever,
01:44.3
pero why isn't it happening?
01:46.4
Kaya sabi ko lang,
01:49.7
Ang sabi ni Lenny
01:55.9
Basic suntsu yung kanyang iniinan.
01:59.4
Huwag mo daw ipaalam sa kalaban mo.
02:01.8
China na naman tayo.
02:03.5
Yung mga plano mo.
02:04.7
Yun yung sinabi niya doon sa Lasalle,
02:07.3
yung launching nung
02:16.2
ang focus ngayon is local.
02:18.8
Tatakbo siya sa Naga eh.
02:21.1
Parang ayaw na niya lang.
02:21.9
Confirm na po ba?
02:22.7
Confirm na ba sa Naga
02:25.4
Kamsur, mahirapan siya.
02:27.7
O, mahirapan siya.
02:28.7
Kahit mag-unite yung
02:36.9
Hindi ganun kadali
02:37.7
dahil malakas yung
02:44.6
Tapos yung district
02:47.2
hindi sila matatalo ro'n.
02:49.9
Pero baka wala pa
02:50.9
na pang-governor.
02:54.4
One and a half years pa
02:58.4
ang focus niya is local.
03:04.9
na sumusuporta sa kanya
03:08.7
dapat maipasa niya yan.
03:11.0
dapat maiconsolidate yan.
03:13.4
Into a machinery.
03:14.0
Unless she has her own plans.
03:15.3
Unless she's still
03:16.4
assessing her own.
03:18.0
or ma-pressure siya
03:21.0
bumalik sa national.
03:24.5
anything can still happen.
03:26.9
wala tanong ko din.
03:28.4
gaano ba kalaking syansa
03:31.9
ng mga pink na senators?
03:34.0
parang alangahanin pa rin
03:35.9
Kung ang batayan natin
03:43.3
kung ikaw ay nasa dulo,
03:46.2
nandun yung mga pink eh.
03:50.5
pag ikaw ay hindi incumbent,
03:55.2
pwede niyang magbago eh.
03:56.3
Pwede niyang mag-
03:59.2
nung tumakbo siya
04:08.8
sa Senate noon eh.
04:10.6
yung patalastas niya,
04:11.6
nalagot ako sa nanay ko,
04:16.6
Kung nalagot ako sa nanay ko,
04:26.0
anything can still happen eh.
04:27.5
Kung makuha mo yung tamang branding,
04:30.7
kung magkakaroon ka ng,
04:32.4
bagamat nangyari.
04:34.2
Bagamat nangyari yan
04:35.3
before yung social media,
04:37.5
let's do it moment
04:41.7
nobody knows Flavien.
04:44.4
dahil sa kanyang slogan,
04:49.1
hindi ko sure eh,
04:52.1
pero may naisip din ako,
04:54.4
Richard may naisip din ako,
04:56.0
kanina we were talking about na,
04:57.7
nag-aaway yung DDS
05:00.3
Tapos nililigawan nila yung pink.
05:02.4
thinking about it now,
05:03.6
yung dalawang kampo na yun,
05:05.1
they still would not vote
05:11.4
ng tatlong senatorial balls
05:14.1
nung sa pinks eh.
05:16.4
magka-aaway na sila ngayon,
05:18.1
nililigawan nila yung pinks,
05:19.5
pero hindi pa rin nila
05:20.1
bubota yung senator nung pinks.
05:22.2
paano nila makakaget over
05:25.0
crack the magic 12,
05:28.4
makasama si Senator Riza
05:29.8
ng mawawala pa si Pimentel.
05:32.3
sino pong matitira kaya
05:33.2
kasama ni Senator Riza
05:34.4
doon sa minority,
05:36.4
Pero kung mamementain mo
05:38.9
na sumusuport kay Lenny
05:40.2
at madagdagan mo,
05:45.9
Kung yung 37% na yun,
05:50.7
hindi ba sarili yun na,
05:52.1
pwedeng maitranslate yun
05:55.6
hindi kaya mag-Senador,
05:56.7
mag-party list na muna kayo.
05:58.1
makapasok muna kayo.
05:59.5
Mahirap ang party list
06:01.6
ang local ngayon,
06:03.0
Maramihan ang party list
06:07.1
Yung congressman governor
06:08.2
nagpa-party list na rin.
06:13.8
one strong influencer.
06:19.1
very strong influencer.
06:21.1
Lenny doing that.
06:23.6
itong party list na to.
06:25.9
would that equal,
06:27.0
Parang yun ang nakikita ko
06:30.2
two or three congressmen
06:32.3
ipasok on their side.
06:38.2
ng pink talo, ha?
06:40.0
yun nga nakakatawa.
06:43.6
yung influencer niya.
06:46.4
Si Guanzon nakapasok.
06:47.6
Pero hindi siya pilaw po.
06:48.8
Hindi siya pilaw po.
06:50.4
Tapos first week,
06:58.0
yun lang yung point ko.
06:59.9
Baka pwedeng mag-elect
07:00.8
kayo ng party list
07:02.2
hindi naman yung first week
07:04.0
biglang sasayaw na
07:06.4
opposite side ng ano.
07:09.3
ito example ko din,
07:10.8
Nabasa ko lang kanina
07:12.6
may isang congressman,
07:13.7
may isang tatakbo
07:15.2
na parang may rumor
07:18.8
Ah, yung panganay niya.
07:23.5
Tatakbo yun sa D-List.
07:24.5
Oh, magaling yan.
07:26.6
So, hindi ba dapat
07:27.7
kung ikaw yung paint,
07:28.8
you try to make sure na,
07:30.7
dito ka na sa amin.
07:31.8
Baka naman pagdating mo
07:39.7
parang sinesecure na nila yun
07:45.4
Ikaw future leader natin,
07:47.2
susuportahan ka namin,
07:53.4
dahil Rojas siya,
07:55.3
hindi siya mga nangailangan
07:56.9
katulad nung iba dyan.
08:00.0
pwedeng hindi siya
08:07.8
nasa administration eh.
08:11.2
pero nasa administration
08:13.6
Na administration,
08:20.5
yung anak ni Marojas,
08:22.0
tatakbo siya as LP,
08:23.7
pero kung manalo siya,
08:25.4
dahil Rojas siya,
08:32.1
ng survival nila,
08:35.2
Kaya no choice sila,
08:51.6
Yung anak ni Marojas,
08:54.2
for more time seeing,
08:57.8
mayroong apelido,
09:01.1
Hindi yung mga negative
09:02.0
na binabato sa tatay niya,
09:03.6
baka wala sa kanya.
09:05.4
may political future,
09:06.5
baka dapat ngayon pala,
09:08.1
medyo inaanohan mo na,
09:09.9
tinatayaan na nung,
09:12.9
feel the love na mula
09:17.7
hintayin mo pang,
09:18.4
hintayin mo pang,
09:20.3
magiging tropa niyan,
09:22.6
magiging tropa niyan,
09:24.2
yung mga kaysang edaran niya,
09:28.3
I have two questions.
09:31.2
we are assuming na monolithic
09:32.5
yung pink movement,
09:36.1
a lot of pink movement
09:36.9
is just really Lenny,
09:40.4
which is transferability.
09:42.3
to what degree can Lenny
09:45.1
lumalabas na rin sa discussion natin,
09:46.7
there's no coherence, eh.
09:48.2
There's no organization.
09:50.2
you know what I'm saying?
09:51.5
it looks like it's really a Lenny,
09:55.0
it's like a Lenny fans club,
09:56.7
Parang ganun ang dating niya sa akin.
09:59.2
to what degree is this really transferable?
10:00.9
This is the question,
10:02.1
nagikinig lang ako,
10:02.8
for the first time,
10:03.4
naginig lang ako,
10:04.0
I'm just sitting back and,
10:05.4
and listening to all of you,
10:06.3
I completely agree with both of you guys,
10:07.5
pero napaisip ako,
10:08.9
baka this is just a Lenny fans club,
10:13.1
I understand why,
10:14.4
but that's not how you're gonna push democracy forward.
10:17.2
it's not sustainable.
10:18.7
umasa ka lang kay Lenny,
10:19.8
and to be fair to Lenny,
10:21.1
we don't wanna put pressure on her all the time.
10:22.8
Ang daming nagagalit sa akin,
10:23.9
ba't Lenny ka na Lenny?
10:25.3
hindi nyo ka masisisi,
10:29.0
charisma is a political factor,
10:31.8
she endorses someone else fully and sustainably,
10:35.5
that raises the question,
10:36.3
is it transferable?
10:38.9
maybe BAM or someone else should run the next,
10:45.1
what's your take on the transferability issue?
10:49.1
gusto ko makita yung numbers eh,
10:50.7
yung analytics eh.
10:52.2
Wala akong masyadong batayan eh,
10:54.1
hindi natin alam,
10:60.0
purely Lenny lang?
11:02.9
maganda yung mga Pulse,
11:06.1
na ang kakapal ng mga servers,
11:07.5
ito ba 300 pages?
11:12.0
pwede mo i-deconstruct eh.
11:13.4
walang batayan eh.
11:15.4
Mismo yung ginawa na survey na yan,
11:17.6
wala tayong hawak eh,
11:21.7
hindi ko sigurado eh.
11:22.9
Gusto ko makita yung numbers,
11:24.3
kung yan ay transferable ba,
11:29.1
Or transferable under what conditions?
11:31.4
what are the tweaks that are necessary?
11:38.1
tingin ko transferable siya,
11:40.7
sa mga taong ito lang,
11:45.9
yung mga daughters ni Lenny,
11:47.7
transferable yan for sure sa kanila.
11:50.5
if they decide to run,
11:51.8
lahat ng mga kakampings na yan,
11:54.4
nasa ligod nila yan.
11:56.9
hindi ko din sure kung ano,
11:58.5
baka kung may tumakbong kapamilya na,
12:01.8
if you get angeloxin,
12:07.3
a lot of the kakamping movement,
12:09.1
medyo nakatayap sa kapamilya,
12:12.5
if meron doon sa kapamilya na,
12:14.4
high profile na tumakbong,
12:16.2
you could get nakakamping,
12:18.4
parang hindi siya automatic kay Risa,
12:20.3
hindi siya automatic sa,
12:24.1
doon ako nag-ano,
12:26.0
nagtataka din eh.
12:26.8
Maganda nga yung point mo,
12:27.8
baka nga Lenny fans club talaga eh.
12:29.6
I'm not saying that's it forever,
12:33.9
Si Bea ba pang pamilya?
12:41.9
No, no, no, Ronald.
12:43.7
mga ganong level.
12:45.4
I'll ask you this ah.
12:47.1
Kasi hindi naman ako iniinvita,
12:48.5
okay lang naman sa akin.
12:51.0
doon sa mga malilit na parties
12:56.2
Mas hindi ako invitado
12:59.8
iniinvite ako sa mga ano eh.
13:04.2
is there any conversation
13:05.9
really going on there?
13:09.3
mukhang maraming mga,
13:13.0
Mar Rojas episode,
13:15.4
the fault lines are still there eh.
13:17.6
Yung mga galit kay Poe,
13:19.2
galit pa rin kay Poe.
13:20.0
Yung mga galit kay Mar,
13:22.6
ang lalim ng ugat eh.
13:23.7
Ang lalim ng itong fault lines na ito eh.
13:25.5
It's not ended eh.
13:26.3
Huwag mong kalimutan,
13:27.1
si Bam nag-resign sa Liberal Party.
13:29.7
Ibang partido ni Bam ngayon,
13:36.5
hindi yan ganun kasolid pa.
13:40.9
para mag-join together
13:47.8
pero magkaiba na ng partido yan.
13:49.9
Si Bam na dating LP,
13:51.3
ngayon ay hindi na LP.
13:54.8
na tumakbo si Drilon.
14:01.1
service has been long time
14:10.9
more or less sigurado
14:14.3
Ano po ang chance na,
14:17.8
for a unity ticket
14:20.2
Meron bang ganung
14:22.7
o may option bang ganun?
14:24.2
Anti-Duterte coalition,
14:25.9
Mas malaki yung chance
14:27.2
hindi unity ticket,
14:31.5
last election kasi,
14:34.1
dala ng tatlong presidente,
14:38.6
posible pa bagong
14:43.6
dito sa kaya natin.
14:44.9
mas sigurado ko kasi
14:45.9
wala makakompleto eh.
14:47.4
Neither the Duterte
14:49.4
cannot complete a slate.
14:51.2
magkukuha sila ng mga
14:52.8
na i-a-adapt nila.
14:57.1
macho black sa Senate.
15:03.4
si Gringo Hunasan,
15:06.8
at least four of that,
15:08.4
mag-de-negotiate as a group.
15:10.9
De-negotiate as a group.
15:13.4
hindi yan sasama sa Duterte.
15:16.0
hindi yan i-a-adapt doon.
15:19.0
open yung dalawang kampo
15:22.8
hindi sila organic
15:23.7
sa kanilang slate,
15:25.2
pero i-a-adapt sila.
15:27.2
Yung apat na yan.
15:29.9
and perhaps one more.
15:31.8
ang more or less yung
15:43.3
Four guest candidates.
15:45.5
Pero ang qualification nila,
15:47.4
hindi siya unity ticket talaga.
15:49.4
Unity ticket kasi,
15:51.2
talagang kasama ka sa
15:54.1
ganoon yung nuancing dyan.
15:60.0
nag-uusap ba sila,
16:01.0
what's happening here is
16:03.4
we're talking in the wake
16:07.5
And kung titignan mo,
16:09.0
I don't know about
16:09.6
yung iba na kaklaim na
16:10.5
they fought against
16:11.1
dictator and all of that,
16:12.1
but let's be honest,
16:12.9
Duterte was no dictator
16:14.8
things that people are
16:16.1
facing in places like Russia.
16:19.3
grabe yung nangyari.
16:20.2
And when we talk about
16:24.1
a successful life.
16:25.5
Nasa real estate siya,
16:29.9
Nasa TikTok siya.
16:31.2
speaking of TikTok,
16:32.0
these people should
16:32.5
watch yung documentary
16:34.9
how he uses TikTok
16:36.2
even better than his daughter
16:41.9
Multiple assassination plot.
16:44.4
horrible assassination plot.
16:45.7
Nasa Germany na siya.
16:47.1
Pinoprotect na siya
16:47.7
ng German army even,
16:50.7
assassination plots.
16:51.9
he chose to go back
16:59.4
ng physical death
17:00.7
because para sa kanin
17:01.9
siguro political death
17:04.3
of a Russian leader.
17:05.7
And unfortunately,
17:06.7
mukhang na-confirm na
17:10.4
the exact circumstances
17:17.6
don't people like
17:21.1
all of these people
17:23.6
mahirap maging opposition
17:26.2
what we're facing,
17:29.0
nag-opposition leader
17:29.8
because to be honest,
17:31.2
even under Duterte,
17:32.6
we didn't have anything
17:34.0
other people are facing
17:35.1
in places like Russia.
17:36.9
I can talk about some.
17:38.6
look at those countries,
17:42.3
people like Alexei Navalny,
17:43.5
very successful people,
17:45.5
risked their life
17:48.3
yung other cases.
17:50.6
we should a little bit
17:53.4
opposition leadership?
17:55.4
leadership is not just
17:56.3
tumatakbo ka lang
17:57.0
dyan yung election,
17:57.5
laban sa incumbent
18:01.6
You get what I'm saying?
18:02.5
this is where I'm coming
18:04.6
people don't understand
18:05.4
when I say things
18:06.4
about opposition.
18:07.3
eto na naman si Richard,
18:11.5
nag-feeling magaling.
18:14.6
opposition leaders
18:15.8
like Alexei Navalny.
18:17.9
people who risk it all.
18:18.9
That's why I have a lot
18:19.4
of respect for Leyla Delima,
18:23.5
She had options like that.
18:28.2
and then I'll go to Mark
18:29.4
because I want to also
18:30.6
understand how Mark
18:33.1
you're not the typical guy
18:35.0
like Alexei Navalny
18:36.4
but as someone who
18:37.2
understands what we expect
18:38.5
from opposition leaders,
18:39.3
I want to also get
18:39.9
your honest view on that.
18:41.0
Ikaw muna, Ronald.
18:44.9
meron tayong a few
18:46.0
or a couple of that.
18:48.2
nung bumalik si Ninoy
18:52.0
Poor na sinasahan niya,
18:53.2
either makukulong siya
18:55.3
Yung worse ang nangyari,
18:59.0
nakapag-trigger siya
19:01.8
ng isang mass movement
19:12.0
ay on the same vein,
19:15.0
Sinabihan ko yan eh.
19:16.0
Nandun kami sa US
19:18.6
wag ka rin muna bumalik
19:20.0
dahil yung presidente
19:21.4
ay medyo iba ito,
19:28.0
na ipapakulong ka niyan
19:31.1
hindi yung worse ang nangyari.
19:34.5
kakalabas lang niya
19:37.8
yung Abu Sayyaf case na yan.
19:40.6
Muntik talaga siya.
19:41.4
Umamin si Mato Bato
19:47.1
dapat a-ambushin siya,
19:55.7
political capital,
19:59.2
dramatically tumaas.
20:04.3
Dahil kakakabilang naman niya.
20:07.3
yun yung isang kaibahan.
20:08.6
Ganun din si Navalny,
20:13.0
Napaka-symbol talaga
20:18.4
popular pa rin si Putin,
20:20.9
Especially because on the war of Ukraine.
20:23.6
On the war of Ukraine.
20:29.0
advisor ni Navalny,
20:31.4
na huwag bumalik.
20:34.4
to fight another day.
20:36.0
Dahil si Putin talaga,
20:37.1
papatayin talaga siya niyan, eh.
20:39.1
Walang pakialam yan, eh.
20:41.0
And matanda si Putin.
20:42.3
we don't know how long,
20:44.0
play the long game.
20:48.7
tinapon siya sa Arctic Circle.
20:51.8
talaga wala siyang pakialam.
20:58.2
makikita mo yung kanyang heroism.
21:01.5
kung ako yung advisor niya,
21:02.7
I would advise him,
21:05.0
to live to fight another day.
21:07.3
But what if his effect is,
21:08.9
he's gonna be Ninoy?
21:09.9
Kasi if he stayed in Europe,
21:11.1
he'll just be one of many exiles
21:13.1
living a good life in,
21:16.3
he'll make all of the,
21:17.1
I've seen so many,
21:18.6
like from Belarus,
21:22.3
kasi martir na siya ngayon, eh.
21:24.1
of course for now.
21:25.1
And remember, Ronald,
21:25.7
just to be clear,
21:26.5
he flew back to Germany
21:27.9
before the war on Ukraine.
21:30.8
the reason why Putin invaded Ukraine
21:32.6
is he wanted to make himself hero.
21:34.6
Because narealize na,
21:35.5
nalalaos na siya.
21:37.0
the people are already looking
21:37.9
towards the future.
21:39.0
I completely see,
21:40.6
it would have made sense,
21:41.8
he'll stay abroad,
21:42.9
rally against Putin,
21:44.6
which he could do.
21:45.3
He's a very healthy,
21:47.5
Putin is quite aged
21:48.5
and we don't know really his situation.
21:53.3
Rizal's martyrdom
21:57.5
it's a good thing
21:58.3
that na-martyrs him.
22:00.1
I doubt if he will be
22:05.8
Hindi ko nakikita na siya
22:09.0
combination of different factors.
22:11.2
A defeat in Ukraine,
22:13.0
pagdami ng casualties
22:21.3
It could be a combination.
22:23.9
like a ninoy trigger,
22:26.3
Pero four years yun, eh.
22:27.6
From Ninoy in 1982,
22:30.1
It was a four years.
22:34.0
where do you come on this?
22:34.8
Pero nagbago yung landscape,
22:39.3
yung mga hindi sumasama sa rally,
22:44.3
Tapos, yung snap election.
22:52.2
Iyon yung nangyayari, eh.
22:57.6
tingin ko yung objective conditions,
23:03.9
Ako naman, Richard,
23:06.7
dito sa kay Navalny na nangyayari.
23:08.5
Pero follow ko din naman.
23:10.6
Interested din ako
23:11.3
dun sa nangyayari sa kanila dun.
23:13.4
yun dun sa sinabi mo na
23:14.9
kinukompare yung opposition.
23:16.7
Parang medyo, ano,
23:17.4
parang hindi naman siya,
23:18.8
mahirap siyang ibangga
23:20.4
kasi iba naman yung sitwasyon natin.
23:23.3
even as awful as,
23:25.4
what's happening,
23:26.7
dun dito sa politika natin,
23:28.4
we can still elect a different president
23:31.5
Nando pa rin naman tayo.
23:33.8
yung mga iba nagre-reklamo
23:37.4
nakita mo naman ngayon,
23:38.8
the moment na he stepped down
23:43.3
liable na doon sa mga
23:44.3
ginawa niya, diba.
23:47.5
itong, itong nangyayari sa Russia,
23:49.7
mas comparable nga
23:51.5
dun sa nangyayari sa atin
23:54.5
nung panahon ng Marshall,
23:55.4
ito, tinitingnan ko yung ano,
23:57.6
pinafollow ko yung mga,
23:59.0
mga nagsasalita dito,
24:00.9
nare-tweet ko itong isa,
24:07.2
he's threatening Putin,
24:09.7
posibleng kaya para maging
24:10.7
Russian Corey ito,
24:12.3
itong asawa ni Navalny.
24:13.5
That too, that too, yeah.
24:13.9
Tapos nakikita ko itong,
24:17.7
mga 80 years old and above,
24:21.2
na nagpapa-interview sa media,
24:23.1
na standing up na,
24:25.4
yung mga reklamo nga kay Putin,
24:27.0
like 300,000 of our men
24:29.3
na matay dahil dyan sa
24:31.4
war na parasanian,
24:35.2
wala na yung mga anak nila,
24:36.7
wala na yung mga,
24:39.0
baka nga it would take a few years,
24:40.5
pero maaaring maging spark nga.
24:42.1
Pero yun nga, iba kasi,
24:43.2
mas, mas ma-appreciate mo yung freedom
24:45.2
kapag kinalis na talaga sa'yo eh.
24:47.2
So, ngayon, yung mga Pinoy,
24:49.8
hindi nila, diba,
24:51.0
they look down on what happened sa EDSA,
24:55.3
for them to, to laugh
24:56.6
at yung nangyari noong time na yun,
24:59.1
diba, you only appreciate something
25:01.3
Ito nga, ang ganda lingi eh.
25:02.7
Ang sinasabi nung mga,
25:04.4
before, nung panahon ni Duterte,
25:06.5
pag sinisiraan nila yung,
25:07.7
for example, people power,
25:09.3
ay yung martial law,
25:10.1
pag, yung martial law naman,
25:11.8
pangit lang kapag kaaway ka ng gobyerno.
25:15.2
Ang nakakatama ngayon,
25:17.1
sila ngayon yung kaaway ng gobyerno.
25:22.9
learning, maybe it's a learning ano eh.
25:24.8
May, may, may intindihan nila yung kung anong,
25:28.6
hindi mo matututunan minsan
25:29.6
ang katinang nangyayari sa'yo eh.
25:31.8
Kasi sabi na, martial law,
25:33.3
pangit lang yan kapag
25:34.7
nagre-reklamo ka sa gobyerno,
25:36.7
kapag inaaway mo yung gobyerno.
25:39.2
Sinong umaaway ngayon sa gobyerno?
25:41.2
Yung grupo ngayon nila, diba?
25:45.5
you need to experience,
25:47.3
that's the sad part
25:50.7
ng human nature eh.
25:52.9
we don't learn from,
25:54.8
from our previous mistakes.
25:55.9
Hindi mo na-experience.
25:57.3
Hindi mo na-appreciate
25:59.4
na ano natin ngayon.
26:01.8
As bad as Duterte
26:04.2
for the opposition,
26:06.3
They could still vote him out of power.
26:08.8
They could still ano, so.
26:11.0
I agree with you, Mark,
26:12.9
let's not forget,
26:13.7
there was a good chance na
26:14.9
if nag-agree yung mga military
26:17.7
this is where I agree with Trillianes.
26:19.4
There was a very,
26:20.8
medyo alanganin tayo at some point
26:22.2
if nag-o yung military
26:23.5
sa martial law and all of that,
26:25.6
And I don't think Duterte
26:26.5
willingly stepped down
26:28.9
He had plans of putting
26:30.8
or at least Sara there.
26:32.2
Yung pumalpak lang siya.
26:33.2
So he was just not competent enough
26:34.5
to be a dictator.
26:36.3
there was no real chance.
26:38.4
Pero last points,
26:40.7
and then balikan kita, Mark.
26:43.2
opposition leadership,
26:44.3
yeah, out of that.
26:46.1
China tsaka Russia
26:47.1
magka-alyado ngayon
27:00.5
sa Central Committee
27:02.8
ng Communist Party of China
27:04.5
was very revealing.
27:07.9
the Russian government,
27:10.0
The entire government,
27:15.0
these are nihilists
27:18.5
They don't believe in anything.
27:19.8
They're just cynics for power.
27:21.8
yun yung kaibahan eh.
27:25.8
Marami tayong mga trapo,
27:28.1
authoritarian tendencies,
27:32.7
these are KGB officers eh.
27:36.6
wala yung ideology.
27:39.1
These are talagang
27:46.0
it took an ideologue
27:49.3
For all our criticism
27:54.8
that these are nihilists.
27:59.0
o pa na ideology.
28:04.1
kabado rin siya sa Russia eh.
28:06.2
Ngayon lang kasi,
28:07.8
kinakailangan nila magsama.
28:11.6
yan yung binalikan ni Navalny
28:15.3
Yan yung binalikan ni Navalny
28:18.5
Na hindi magdadalawang isip
28:25.8
yung sitwasyon sa Russia
28:27.2
at saka yung heroism
28:31.4
Because he was not nihilist.
28:32.6
He really believe in something.
28:34.5
that's where his martyrdom
28:40.6
this is a guy who was reading
28:46.7
yung state of mind niya.
28:49.3
Pero bago tayo umalis,
28:51.0
bago tayo magputol,
28:53.4
gusto ko lang ipaalala,
28:54.8
today is the anniversary
29:03.2
At yung Gumbursa,
29:06.5
yan yung nag-trigger
29:09.1
unang student movement
29:11.9
Yan yung nag-trigger
29:14.1
ng mga revolusionaries.
29:15.9
At least yung ilustrado.
29:17.4
Yung propaganda movement.
29:18.6
Yan yung nag-anak.
29:19.3
Sana magkaroon din
29:25.0
Against all odds.
29:26.9
I'm closing your marks.
29:35.3
I wish for the best
29:36.5
dun sa justice situation
29:40.2
We can only watch, eh.
29:43.3
the people of Russia
29:44.1
kung ano ang pwede
29:46.9
para ayusin yung,
29:50.8
a form of justice
29:56.2
kind of comparison
29:57.9
yung observation mo.
29:59.4
Maybe may Kory Aquino
30:00.6
na rin silang version.
30:02.1
situation is very different
30:04.2
sometimes history,
30:05.2
it doesn't repeat
30:06.8
as Mark Twain puts it.
30:07.8
So, yun po yung context.
30:09.0
Thank you so much
30:09.8
to my two favorite co-hosts.
30:15.1
thank you for joining us
30:16.9
thank you also for,
30:18.0
for a really comprehensive
30:19.3
discussion today.
30:21.0
shut down na lahat
30:23.2
We outrun technology.
30:26.1
have a blessed weekend
30:27.1
with your loved ones
30:27.9
and have a blessed
30:29.5
God bless and pasensya na
30:30.5
huwag napatagal din tayo guys.
30:32.1
Salamat din Sir Ronald,
30:34.6
Talk to you soon.
30:38.8
thank you very much.
30:39.7
napatagal lang and all
30:40.7
and I don't know,
30:41.4
nag-disconnect yung
30:42.5
isang initial live natin
30:45.8
yung recording natin
30:48.0
because discussions
30:56.0
yung mga guwapo natin
30:59.8
kanilang interventions.
31:01.5
thank you very much.
31:02.1
God bless and have a
31:03.0
blessed Sabbath day
31:04.3
Talk to you soon.
