00:33.7
Ano alam mo so far, Mark? Galing dyan sa Casino City.
00:38.7
So, sa online, sa mga vloggers, ang usap-usapan nga is yung tila ba intentional o unintentional ba na pag-delay
00:49.9
sa pagpirma ng sopina ni Senate President Zubiri?
00:55.0
Ito ay dapat ano lang, parang ministerial.
00:57.6
Ministerial function lang, basta nirequest ng senador, pipirmahan.
01:01.2
Bakit parang tumagal, baka tumaban ng hanggang ngayon, hindi pa rin napipirmahan.
01:05.5
Sinabi naman ni Senate President Zubiri na nabisi lang and pagbalik niya, he's going to sign that sopina kay Kiboloy.
01:14.3
Kaso, ang ugong-ugong, ang malaking chismis, ang usap-usapan ng marami na hanggang ngayon ay hindi pa rin nadedebank,
01:21.9
ay baka wala na sa bansa itong si Pastor Kiboloy.
01:25.7
At private jets siya, di ba? May private jets siya, di ba?
01:30.3
O yun, at baka daw nagtataguna sa China.
01:33.6
Yun ang chismis na nababasa ko sa Twitter at sa mga vloggers.
01:39.2
Madali namang i-despel yun, madali namang i-debank yung news na yun.
01:43.9
Makita lang siya dito, di ba?
01:45.8
Makita lang siya sa Davao kasama si Digong dito.
01:49.0
So, madedebank na kagad yun.
01:50.8
Pero hanggang ngayon, it's been a few days, ay wala pa rin siting.
01:55.7
Sa, ah, ni Pastor Kiboloy dito sa Pilipinas.
01:59.2
So, yun ang usap-usapan ngayon na baka tumakbo na.
02:03.6
Kung sa China man, yung gusto.
02:05.3
Literally tumakbo, hindi tumakbo ang politiko.
02:10.2
Mukhang hindi lang siya nawala.
02:11.4
Sabi yung ibang may ibang official na nawala, pero mamaya natin pag-usapan.
02:14.3
Sir Ronald, hindi ba parang lonely si Risa when she was going after Kiboloy?
02:17.5
Does this mean that nanatakot pa yung iba?
02:20.2
Or they still appreciate the power of the Pastor?
02:23.3
Or now na si Digong has gone for...
02:25.7
Or, you know, for broke.
02:27.5
Maybe there's more openness to go after SM9, Kiboloy.
02:30.0
What's going on here?
02:31.1
Bakit parang si Risa lang yung going for it, eh?
02:34.1
I mean, yung panon ni Kean de los Santos, gets ko yan.
02:36.6
Kasi, let's be honest, maang takot ni yung ibang senators to take up the cudgels for the victims of EJK and war on drugs.
02:43.1
Pero ngayon, you would imagine na yung ibang senator, may siya mag-step up, mag-scale up na rin sila.
02:48.3
What's going on there? Anong basa mo dito sa Kiboloy saga?
02:52.0
Well, ula. Siya yung nangungula dahil siya yung head ng committee for women and children.
02:55.7
Diba? Kaya siya yung nag-scale up talaga dyan.
03:00.5
Ikalawa, ang alam ko, ay nag-commit na si Senate President Subiri na pipirmahan talaga niya yung sub-P na.
03:08.9
At yung House ay naglabas na rin ng statement na isa sub-P na rin si Kiboloy.
03:16.8
At yung nagsalita ay si Congressman Pimentel na from Mindanao also.
03:22.1
So, ibig sabihin, meron ng effort from both houses.
03:25.7
Na mag-issue ng sub-P na.
03:27.8
At hindi ko lang alam kung paano yung chismis na alis si Kiboloy.
03:33.2
Last year ko pa narinig yan eh.
03:34.9
May mga nagkatanong nga sa akin kung may information ako kung pumunta na si Kiboloy sa China.
03:40.1
Pero yun, mas less about the Senate hearing.
03:42.4
It's more about the extradition from the Americans, from the US.
03:47.0
Paano? It could happen anytime eh.
03:49.0
Yung extradition na yan.
03:50.0
Dahil mag-request niyan yung US.
03:55.7
Yung US Embassy, meron kanyon.
03:57.4
May department ng FBI na nandyan dito sa ating embassy.
04:01.6
So, pwedeng mabilis yun eh pag nangyayari.
04:04.9
Kaya last year ko pa narinig yan, chismis.
04:07.2
At siya nga yung mga tanong kung si Kiboloy ba ay nakalabas na ng bansa.
04:11.4
At kung gusto niya talagang makatakas sa extradition ng FBI,
04:17.1
ang pinaka-safest place is China.
04:20.0
Ibig sabihin, may hirapang i-implement ng US dyan.
04:22.9
Pero kung pupunta lang siya sa mga...
04:24.8
Sa ibang mga bansa,
04:25.7
katulad ng Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore,
04:29.2
eh delikado siya ron.
04:31.0
Kailangan talaga China siya pumunta.
04:33.4
At dapat meron siyang advanced arrangement doon sa China.
04:39.3
Wasn't there a supposed SMNI-CGTN-China partnership?
04:43.1
Pwede niyo sabihin nasa China siya for business purposes?
04:46.6
Yung isang dati...
04:48.7
As secretary sa CGTN.
04:50.0
Diba? I'm just saying,
04:51.0
you could give it a business angle.
04:52.4
Na nasa China lang ako to negotiate a media deal.
04:56.2
Tapos maghintay siya ron.
04:58.3
Tapos katulad namin ni Mark, mag-TNT na kami.
05:04.2
Pero ngayon kasi nagkakadikit-dikit na eh.
05:10.6
Nung isang gabi, nagsalita siya sa Scania sa Fox First.
05:14.9
Yung paborito mong talk show.
05:16.7
Nagsalita siya sa Vera Files.
05:18.8
All respect to China's care for arranging that.
05:24.0
Nagsalita siya sa Vera Files several times.
05:27.2
So merong offensive ngayon eh.
05:31.6
Doon sa mga iba't-ibang mga talk shows.
05:34.0
Tingin ko hindi siya matatapos yan.
05:35.6
May mga susunod pa na mga talk shows.
05:38.4
Baka sa talk show natin.
05:43.9
Dikit-dikit siya mga pangyayari na yan.
05:46.2
Hindi siya totally separate.
05:48.2
Bagamat, iba yung kaso ni Kibuloy sa US.
05:52.2
Pero marami yun eh.
05:54.0
Maraming kaso yun.
05:56.2
Grabe yung pagkakainak niya.
05:58.1
But Ronald, sorry for cutting it.
05:59.9
Because I see, if you bring in the China issue,
06:03.3
and then the issue of arrest,
06:05.6
and then the issue na delikado ka in some countries,
06:07.8
it immediately reminded me of this recent interview of
06:10.6
Menardo Guevara, kung saan umamin siya na
06:13.3
if the ICC comes with a warrant of arrest,
06:16.4
if hindi ma-implement ng Philippine government yan,
06:18.6
pwede pa rin ma-implement yan sa ibang bansa.
06:21.7
So, speaking of Malaysia, Singapore,
06:25.2
do you think that the Kibuloy episode,
06:28.3
assuming correct na medyo nag-laylo na yung isa,
06:32.0
this could be also kind of a preview of what
06:34.4
the others would do on the ICC issue,
06:38.5
na baka pupunta na China,
06:40.1
medyo magpa-semi-exile na,
06:44.3
kasi ito yung sinabi ni Trillanes sa akin,
06:46.1
I found interesting,
06:46.9
I mean, I don't agree with everything he said,
06:48.4
but I think he had some interesting warnings.
06:49.9
Sabi niya, there's still the possibility
06:51.6
that Duterte will go all the way,
06:53.9
and run for the Senate,
06:55.4
and try to become the Senate President,
06:57.4
kung ka-essentially, di ba,
06:58.7
go for gold na talaga siya,
07:00.6
kasi the difference with Kibuloy
07:02.5
is that Duterte can still run for a pretty high office,
07:05.5
and if he becomes Senator,
07:06.4
he can become the Senate President,
07:07.9
and then, baka they can even get enough votes
07:10.1
to get rid of Romualdes and put Arroyo there.
07:12.2
So you can imagine,
07:13.0
do you think that's a,
07:14.2
I mean, I see where Senator Trillanes is coming from,
07:16.5
the idea na wag kayong maging complacent
07:18.3
na itong mga Dutertes are Finnish project,
07:20.4
that actually may laban pa sila.
07:23.4
itong Kibuloy umalis na,
07:24.9
I'm sure may mga sabi,
07:25.8
ay, wala na itong mga ito,
07:26.7
sinking ship na ito,
07:28.4
But that's where it reminded me
07:30.1
of the Trillanes warning na,
07:31.8
actually, they could be even more dangerous right now.
07:34.0
Di ba sinasabi niya,
07:34.9
the wounded beast is even more dangerous.
07:37.2
Where they stand on the funnel, yeah.
07:39.0
We're in the Philippines, eh.
07:40.2
Anything can happen here, no?
07:44.3
Pwede mangyari yan.
07:45.5
Pero iba kasi yung FBI, eh.
07:48.2
pag gusto ko talaga nilang kunin, no?
07:53.4
Mas marami silang magagawa
07:56.9
Pag gusto ka nilang kunin, ha, katao.
07:58.9
Kung talagang ha-huntingin ka ng wanted,
08:00.7
yan talaga mga experts sa rendition, no?
08:04.3
labing lima sa kanilang wanted,
08:08.2
Apat, apat nga sa kanilang wanted,
08:11.4
Kaya will withdraw na yung kaso, eh.
08:15.5
talagang walang implementing arm.
08:17.0
Ang FBI meron, no?
08:19.7
Maraming takot sa FBI.
08:21.0
Marami ang mga partners,
08:23.4
mga ibang polis sa ibang mga bansa, no?
08:25.9
Kaya, mas delikado yung FBI
08:29.5
Kaya, kung ako si Giboloy,
08:33.6
mas mag-iisip ako na tumakas na.
08:36.0
As soon as possible.
08:36.4
Tabaanan niya yung business trip niya.
08:38.1
As soon as possible, no?
08:40.9
pwede pang laruin yan, eh.
08:42.3
Pwede pang laruin yan.
08:43.2
Depende yan sa presidente.
08:45.2
Kinakalculate ng presidente.
08:46.8
Politically palatable ba sa kanya
08:48.4
na papasukin ang ICC?
08:51.2
Pag pinapasok kasi niya ang ICC,
08:52.7
kailangan niyang protektahan.
08:54.5
Dahil masisira naman siya
08:56.0
kung seryoso si Digong
08:58.0
na imamasakra niya ang ICC.
09:00.2
Pag pumunta sa Dabao.
09:02.2
So, pag pinapasok niya yun,
09:05.8
Kaya, either papasukin niya yan o hindi.
09:08.7
Pag pinapasok niya,
09:09.9
tuloy-tuloy na yun.
09:11.5
Tuloy-tuloy na yan.
09:12.5
Kailangan niyang protektahan
09:15.8
Package deal na siya.
09:19.4
marami pang mga political consideration
09:23.9
hindi mo alam eh.
09:25.0
Kung hinahunting ka na ng FBI,
09:27.0
bigla na lang mag-parachute sa Dabao yan eh.
09:31.3
Mas aggressive yan.
09:32.4
Mas delikado yan.
09:33.1
Very good point, Ronald.
09:38.6
politics is politics, right?
09:41.3
kasi considering Kiboloy and Duterte
09:42.8
are kind of like the power duo,
09:44.8
Dun sa region na yan.
09:46.4
How important is Kiboloy to Duterte?
09:49.8
Politically speaking.
09:52.3
the reason I'm saying is that
09:53.6
agree ako na the FBI
09:56.6
animal altogether
09:58.2
in terms of power,
09:59.4
in terms of mandate.
10:00.6
It's essentially an extension
10:01.5
of the American power, right?
10:04.7
yung sa intergovernmental body lang.
10:08.5
ang pinaka-powerful lang yan,
10:10.2
United Nations Security Council,
10:15.1
Good luck sa China.
10:16.3
Mag-no lang China.
10:18.1
So, wala mangyari.
10:18.6
Pero merong cases
10:21.3
United Nations Security Council
10:24.0
yung desisyon ng ICC.
10:26.0
May mga rare occasions eh.
10:27.3
Yan, talagang wala ka lang
10:32.2
That's what I'm saying.
10:33.2
Even if the two are
10:35.5
you're absolutely correct.
10:36.5
The FBI is different from ICC.
10:38.1
Totally different kind of
10:39.5
species we're talking about here.
10:41.9
The reality is that
10:42.6
kung mawala si Kiboloy sa usapan,
10:44.2
it will reflect on Duterte, no?
10:46.6
and perception-wise,
10:48.0
Kasi sila yung power duo
10:53.0
ng mga kalaban ni Sara,
10:55.4
ng mga kalaban ni Digong,
10:57.7
Or pwede ispin nila Digong
10:59.7
U.S.-led conspiracy
11:00.9
against all of us
11:05.1
they're all against us
11:08.6
Hindi ganun kakakwala eh.
11:09.6
Hindi ganun kalakasyong
11:11.3
Especially with the latest survey,
11:15.5
ng mga Pilipino sa ICC.
11:17.7
May isa nga akong
11:18.7
alam na survey firm
11:26.3
mas mataas pa nga eh
11:28.8
Mas mataas pa sa SWS.
11:30.2
Kasi sabi ni Trillanes
11:31.9
na-commission din daw
11:32.9
na parang 30% lang
11:35.4
warrant of arrest.
11:36.4
We're not talking about
11:37.1
cooperation with ICC,
11:38.7
which is majority.
11:42.2
warrant of arrest,
11:48.5
go na for arrest.
11:50.1
that's not good news
11:52.1
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:54.4
Ang mahalaga kasi dyan
11:55.2
yung movement eh.
11:56.2
Dati, sobrang liit.
11:57.4
Ngayon, pataas eh.
11:59.5
tatlong survey firms na yan.
12:02.5
pwede magkamali ang isa,
12:04.1
pero tatlong mahirap
12:07.8
Iba kasi yung survey firm
12:08.9
nila Trillanes eh.
12:11.1
Iba yung nakausap ko
12:13.1
Makakaiba ang survey firm
12:16.3
Pwedeng ispin yan.
12:18.8
how do you see this
12:19.6
Kibuloy saga going
12:20.6
and affecting also
12:21.4
the Duterte-ICC angle?
12:23.6
correct si Ronald.
12:24.7
Technically speaking,
12:25.6
very different yung issue.
12:27.4
Pero let's be honest,
12:28.1
in terms of political perception,
12:31.5
parang one who's now...
12:32.4
Yan ang problema ni Kibuloy.
12:35.2
Yan nga yung problema
12:38.9
kung magka-arestuhan,
12:41.2
for sure maraming magaga...
12:43.5
parang dumidistansya na eh.
12:46.5
kahit yung mga diehard
12:47.6
na vloggers ni Duterte,
12:49.1
you don't see them na ano eh.
12:53.6
parang using their political...
12:55.0
using their capital
12:57.3
to protect Kibuloy.
12:59.4
yung mga lumabas doon
13:00.2
sa Senate na hearing
13:02.4
parang masyadong daming
13:04.4
Parang hindi ano eh,
13:07.7
ubusin nila yung capital nila
13:09.2
with their viewers,
13:10.1
yung tiwala sa kanila,
13:11.5
nasusugal nila dito
13:12.9
na baka naman guilty pala.
13:14.8
Tsaka parang wala ko makita din
13:16.0
na leverage ni Kibuloy
13:19.1
anong leverage niya
13:21.7
an arrest against...
13:24.0
nandyan pa yung magkakaisin
13:28.5
saktan niya yung mga...
13:30.3
Kung mga merong mga
13:31.2
ganong ano pa eh,
13:33.2
alas pa si Digong
13:34.2
na pwede niyang gamitin.
13:36.3
hindi ko talaga makita
13:38.8
how he's going to
13:39.8
go around this eh.
13:40.9
Kahit yung mga...
13:42.8
Pakunti na pakunti
13:44.5
yung mga nagde-defense
13:48.2
naglilipatan doon
13:48.8
sa kampo ng admin,
13:51.3
pakunti na pakunti
13:53.0
yung mga vloggers nila
13:54.5
dine-defend itong si Kibuloy.
13:56.3
So wala na talaga
13:59.8
ang palit yung reach.
14:02.3
pupuntaan talaga.
14:06.3
any way out dito.
14:10.4
are keeping their
14:11.9
because they rather
14:17.7
they're not gonna,
14:18.8
they're not gonna
14:20.3
for someone who's
14:21.5
an FBI-wanted list
14:23.4
complicated issue.
14:24.3
Pero yun yung sinasabi mo,
14:27.4
mapapala if ever,
14:30.6
Ba't naman pa i-ano?
14:32.3
ikong arestohin din,
14:33.6
I'll just use my resources
14:35.0
para sa akin mismo
14:36.6
kasi baka ako din
14:41.1
Ba't pa ako makikihati
14:43.9
nga yung galaw ko.
14:45.7
yung mga vloggers
14:49.9
may malaki pa rin
14:52.8
from supporters niya.
14:55.8
madi-diminish pa yun
15:04.1
noong sa pre-rally eh.
15:07.0
That's a good observation.
15:09.9
nandyan siya parate eh.
15:11.1
He's everywhere eh.
15:11.9
Parang meron kayang ano na,
15:13.1
ay wag ka na munang
15:13.7
magpakita dito sa ano.
15:16.0
so dun pa lang eh.
15:20.2
Wala nang United.
15:23.2
yung marami dun sa top DDS
15:25.0
are not willing to
15:26.0
put out their necks
15:30.5
talaga makikipagpatayan
15:34.5
Pero pag kay Kibuloy,
15:38.1
parang siya gumawaan yan eh.
15:39.3
Kung meron siyang ginawang mga,
15:40.8
mga kasalanan sa US
15:43.1
wag kami madadamay eh.
15:46.6
Hindi naman kami,
15:47.1
hindi naman kami kasama
15:48.6
So parang medyo liability
15:52.3
Parang ganun yung labas eh.
15:53.5
Kaya maski sa mga
15:54.3
vloggers na nakikita ko,
15:56.0
they're defending
15:56.7
Duterte as hard as they can.
15:58.9
Pero pag kay Kibuloy,
16:00.4
parating may ano eh.
16:02.1
parang hindi pa tayo sure
16:04.1
parang ganun lang eh.
16:05.3
Pero hindi yung talagang diehard na,
16:07.2
inusente si Kibuloy.
16:09.1
masyadong naririnig na ganun eh.
16:11.7
Very good observation.
16:13.1
Matagal na kasi naririnig
16:30.3
very compelling eh.
16:32.5
Very compelling yung
16:34.4
nung mga babae eh,
16:41.7
may mga testigo na
16:44.1
May mga nagbigilan
16:46.3
sa U.S. courts eh.
16:48.0
May mga nagbigilan
16:51.7
masyadong marami eh.
16:55.2
preponderance of evidence.
16:58.8
politically palatable
17:00.7
sa isang prayer rally.
17:03.0
Baka magbago yung
17:03.8
itsura ng prayer rally eh.
17:06.3
iba yung pinagdadasalan mo.
17:10.2
Thank you, thank you.
17:11.3
more or less people know
17:13.0
what's being implied here.
17:15.7
pag-usapan natin yung
17:16.8
anong pwedeng gawin
17:20.5
we have surveys showing that
17:25.0
if he runs for the Senate
17:26.5
So, may implication neto.
17:27.5
At the same time,
17:27.9
you have interesting survey
17:29.5
40% almost of people
17:32.0
sana si Lenin na lang
17:32.8
naging presidente.
17:34.5
So, which is quite interesting
17:35.5
for someone who just got
17:36.4
over 20% of the votes.
17:38.9
mamaya na yung mga
17:40.2
and yung mga gina
17:41.7
but per official numbers.
17:43.0
So, let's discuss
17:43.7
the Lenin and the Digong issue
17:45.1
because they're still part
17:46.7
of our political landscape.
17:47.8
Before we go to our
17:48.5
penultimate episode
17:53.4
a true opposition leadership.
17:55.8
Thank you very much,
17:57.0
for that very interesting discussion.
17:58.7
Kaya, ang gusto ko si Mark
17:59.7
kasi may on-the-ground
18:00.5
information niyan eh.
18:04.8
Yung maritens niya,
18:05.6
very tactical intelligence.
18:08.8
strategic intelligence.
18:11.5
Okay toh, okay toh.
18:12.7
I like this combo.
18:14.9
God bless you guys.
18:15.7
Thank you very much.
