RAFFY TULFO VS. PAGCOR- KANINONG INTEREST ANG PINAGLALABAN?
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00:00.0
We will seek the advice of the sitting board, Your Honor.
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Seek the advice of the sitting board.
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Gusto mo ipatawag ko lahat ng members ng board sa susunod na hearing para mas mapabilis.
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Kasi baka mamaya ayaw ko naman na pagdating mo dito next hearing, hindi ko pa nakausap lahat ng board.
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So kung gusto mo, sa susunod, comsec, patawag lahat ng members ng board ng Pagcor.
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I want them here, all of them, each and everyone, para right then and then, agad-agad makaka-come up tayo with a decision.
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So inutusan ko ng comsec, lahat ng members ng board sa susunod na hearing, nandito silang reporting, each and everyone.
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Kasi ayaw ko naman pagbalik dito, kayo ay magpapalusot.
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Kulang yung board, absent si ganito, absent si ganon.
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Is it okay with you, Mr. Alvarez?
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Ako po ay nagpapasalamat kung sana ay mapadali na para maganda naman ang participation namin sa kumpanya.
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Lalo na sa pagpapasara.
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Diba, batis nandiyan kami para mapangalagaan naman namin ang mga empyado.
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Lalo na pagpapatupad ng CPCS, mapangalagaan naman namin ang mga empyado kung anong ibibigay sa kanila.
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Since na hindi kami binibigyan ng pagkakataon, talagang feeling namin ay nadidepribe kami ng aming mga rights.
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So kung magkakaganon po, maganda.
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Kasi ako, paritire na ako, iiwanan ko na po ang pagsaya sa mga bata.
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Isa naman, bago mo lang ako mag-retire.
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Eh, maayos po ang pagsaya na itinayo ko po.
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Although, ang dami ko naranasan ng mga harassment, tinatapon ako sa iba-ibang brands, hindi ko na po yung pinapansin.
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Kasi part po yun ng aking paghihirap na maitayo ang pagsaya.
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Bakit kayo naiyak, sir?
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Ba't sobrang pangapi ba ang ginawa sa inyo?
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Ilayo ka po sa mga anak mo at isawa mo.
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Dahil nagtayo ka.
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Nandito ka ng pagsaya.
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Hindi mo masakit yun, sir chairman.
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Okay, that's why sa susunod na hearing, gusto ko po nandito yung mga members ng board
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para kung ano man yung mga kailangang maayos to the board resolution,
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dito makapag-design na tayo.
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Huwag natin patagalan, patagalin pa dahil napakatagal panahon sila po yung nagsakripisyo.
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Buti nga na action na nandito ngayon.
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Kung hindi pa sila pumunta rito,
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hanggang ngayon hindi pa sana na action ang problema nila.
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Salamat po sa inyong tiwala, Mr. Alvarez, Mr. Samson, Mr. Cao, sa pumunta rito.
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At sa lahat po ng mga magagawang Pilipino,
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huwag po kayong mag-alala.
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Pag meron po mga problema ang hindi na actionan,
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kaya po nandito inyong Senado para actionan yung mga hinahing.
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Unless meron pa kayo sabihin?
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Regarding po sa recent statements po ni Anon,
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historically po talaga, kaya nga po napatagal,
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yung aming abang kalagayan,
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historically, there is really verifiable oppression po sa aming mga hanay.
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And I am a living and breathing, speaking witness and survivor of that.
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I do not impeach, I respectfully...
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Sa saan usually galing yung oppression, Mr. Cao?
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Pupunta ka ng Cebu.
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Kasi ang oppression po na nangyayari sa amin, hindi naman confrontational eh.
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Harapin ka ng manager mo, aawain.
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Anon, papel lang.
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Hindi ka tatanggap ng bonus sa papel.
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Walang paliwanag.
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Walang paliwanag.
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Maray-relocate ka sa probinsya, office order.
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And what is usually the reason bakit ka agad-agad biglang transfer, paparosahan?
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Since it is a form of illegal and it's a crime, walang explanation po.
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Pero usually, ano sa tingin nyo, sa palagay nyo, ba't kayo ginaganon?
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For example, may kasama po ko sa trabaho.
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Hindi ka lang nagustuhan, hindi ka lang type, may kinausap ka lang na, ganun po ang mga raw perception po historically sa amin.
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So from now on, legal department, attorney Roderick Consolacion, wala nang pwedeng ma-issue na transfer order
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nang hindi na ipapaliwanag ng gusto sa empleyado and it should be justified.
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At kaya nga sa susunod, magkakaroon kayo ng board resolution.
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Na it should be well explained.
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Each and every transfer for any employee of Pagkor whatsoever, it has to be fully justified.
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Last confession na lang po.
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Regarding po sa basic pay, if I may present a clarification slash confession na perhaps ngayon lang po maririnig ng present leadership.
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Pag sinabi po kasing take home pay.
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By the way, I would like to...
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President of Senator Tolentino.
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Good afternoon, sir.
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Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.
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Yes, yes, Your Honor.
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Would you like to make an opening statement?
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I'm just here to listen but I'm with the committee in its efforts to really uncover some of the inequitable practices
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that have probably led to injustice and unfairness on the part of the Pagkor employees.
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Kaysa po ako nyo.
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Thank you, Senator Tolentino.
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You may continue, Mr. Cao.
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Pag sinabi po sa amin na take home pay, even before the CPCS, nasa minimum na po kami.
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Ang pinag-uusap...
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Pero pag-uusapan ho, yung basic.
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Yun ho, hindi sa minimum.
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Ang ginagawa po kasi sa amin, ito basic namin.
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Tinatanggap namin.
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Tapos tutumbasan po ito ng apps.
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Itong basic, ang natataks lang.
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Yung apps, hindi.
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So, ang kawawang empleyado, pagdating ng retirement,
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Maaring namumura yung iba.
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Historically, talagang very rough ang interaction namin sa mga customer.
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Eh kami yung oppressed.
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Na sinusolusyon naman na at the present.
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At regarding din po sa oppression ng employee,
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naturalmente po, magiging mahina rin po ang enforcement.
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Kaya nga rin po, ang daming report na dumadating sa inyo.
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Na in my humble opinion,
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dapat, una pa lang, hindi na nabigyan ng lisensya.
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Hindi pala kayang i-regulate.
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Nabigyan pa ng lisensya.
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Ang daming ngayong problema.
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Na una sa lahat, pinagpapasalamat po namin.
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Senator, huwag niyo po kaming bitawan.
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Marami pa pong detalye.
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Marami pa pong kulay kayong ma-uncover.
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At iyan po ay naisip.
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Submit ko po nung February 1 sa inyo.
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It's a 3-page cover.
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Kung ano talaga ang story po ng aming makulay na agency.
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Maraming salamat po.
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Thank you, thank you, Mr. Cao.
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Would you like to react, Mr. Tenko, sa sinabi ni Mr. Cao?
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We have already implemented the CPCS.
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I'm not sure when you said,
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that there was deception
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on our part, I would
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like to ask Senator Tulfo
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to disseminate it from the
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management did not have anything to
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do with the classifications,
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We have implemented
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government standardization law,
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So, I do not know. Yung
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statement mo lang na ito
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may mabigat kang sinabi na
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deception done on a professional
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think you should understand
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wala pong kinalaman
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ang pag-core board or management
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standardization law
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na based on EO 150
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authority ng GCG.
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Go ahead, Senator.
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I think Mr. Cao was referring to legal.
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Chairman, we can ask the legal too.
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Wala ba, may masasabi ba kayo rito?
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Parang sinasabi niya, legal yung
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Your Honor, I was not pertaining
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sa deception. I was not pertaining
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on the CPCS implementation.
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Not particularly that.
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I was particularly
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referring to a previous experience,
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previous incidents, indicative
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of the culture and behavior
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of officers in pag-core.
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You mentioned something about legal.
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Ah, yes, Your Honor.
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Are you referring to the legal counsel here?
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I was referring to the
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verifiable documents that would prove
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going against legality
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done and signed by
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legal of pag-core.
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Have you provided
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this committee a copy of
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whatever proof that you have
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right now in your possession?
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Initially, Your Honor...
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Kasi mahirap magbintang na ano.
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Yes, Your Honor. Thank you so much.
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Initially, Your Honor, I presented
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February 1, a letter
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without attachment, but now I have
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those attachments with me.
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May I present it to you?
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To the chair, through the committee
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secretary, with the permission of the
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Honorable Chairman.
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Pag-isabit mo lang, Mr. Kao,
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and then we will review that, this committee.
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meron pa kayong gustong idagdag?
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Ano po, Mr. Chairman, nag-react lang po ako doon sa
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nabanggit ka. Wala kayong gustong itanong?
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okay na tayo. O, last na lamang.
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ng mga empleyado, hindi pa pala natin talakay.
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And you did guarantee that?
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As I have submitted
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a letter to you, I think,
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a week ago, and also
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GCG wrote you. Until
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on the matter, we
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status quo on everybody, Senator
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Tulfo. That is very clear.
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has, I think, reinforced that.
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Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.
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pasinungalingan po yung sinabi po nila.
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Kasi po, a day po
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after po tayo nag-usap-usap.
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Noong February...
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The last hearing?
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So, after po February 1 po,
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kagad sila ng mga sulat
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na mag-take effect
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po ng placement committee.
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So, pinagpaplanuhan
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ba rin po nila kami ipaglilipat
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Iba po kasi yung nililipat, iba yung sisibakin.
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Totally, wala na sa post.
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Pero kasi po, nagkaroon po tayo ng declaration
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ng status ko noon. So, diba po,
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pag sinabi yung status ko, dapat kung ano
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po yung current status, doon lang muna.
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So, nagkaroon po ng placement committee.
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Status ko kasi meaning walang galawan.
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So, Mr. Tenko, hindi ko pa nakita yung sulat.
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It wasn't given to me yet by my staff.
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Can I ask, Mr. Gian Samson,
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meron na ba pong linipat kami
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noong matapos akong sumulat
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at nag-commit sa Senate
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dito sa Senate hearing,
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nag-commit ang GCG?
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Meron na po bang nailipat,
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Pwede ko bang maitanong, Mr. Samson,
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I think what he was referring to ay meron ng
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sulat na natanggap sila.
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Am I right, Mr. Samson? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Na nakaprogram na yung
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paglilipat sa inyo.
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Yes po, Your Honor.
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Yun nga po, right after po noong February 1.
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Yun po yun, diba?
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So, those letters that were given
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to those employees
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o pag-or, sabi niyo status ko,
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cancelled yung mga letters.
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Kaya tinatanong ko po, Mr. Senator,
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meron na bang tama po?
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Yung tanong niyo kanina, iba yung binabalak
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sa iba yung pinatutupad.
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Ang tanong ko, Mr. Samson,
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meron na po bang,
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kung pinasisinungalingan niyo po yung
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meron na po bang nailipat
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o may natanggal na
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doon sa inyong mga
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binabanggit? Can you cite a person
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nang sa ganun ay akin na pong
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na hindi sumunod sa akin?
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Sabi niyo po kasi,
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pinasisinungalingan niyo po
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yung binanggit ko na suspended.
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Doon na po muna yung
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Meron na po ba, Mr.
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Senator Tulfo, with your indulgence,
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can I ask him, meron na po bang
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isa kayong, or isa,
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dalawa, o tatlong empleyado,
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o kung ilanman, na mababanggit
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niyong ilinipat na
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doon sa kanyang pwesto sa ngayon,
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Mr. Samson, you may answer, sir.
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Ako na pong sasagot, Mr. Chairman.
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Katatapos lang po natin
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ang sinithiring na status ko.
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Right after that,
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nagbigay po sila ng sulat.
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Although, sabi na natin
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wala pa naman nililipat, pero grabing
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stress po ang ibinibigay sa empleyado.
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Hindi po matutumbasan
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stress, parang mo
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sinasakal ang empleyado
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yung pagbibigay ng sulat na yan.
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Yes, stressful po yan.
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Parang ginagantihan kayo.
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After that hearing.
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O nga naman, right after the hearing,
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I would take it as an insult
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to this committee na nagkaroon tayo
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ng agreement na magkakaroon yung status ko
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and yet, immediately thereafter,
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kayo po yung nagpalabas ng sulat.
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Why did that happen?
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Mr. Senator, hindi po.
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Yung pumasulat na yun,
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yun yung before the hearing.
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Pero right after po, I wrote
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the entire Pagkor organization
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everything is straight.
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No, but the letter was received.
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The letter was received right after the hearing.
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Sana, after the hearing,
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wala nang sulat na matatanggap sila.
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Yun yung concern nila.
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Kasi stressful nga naman,
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makatanggap sila ng sulat na sila ay natatransfer
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na ito yung mangyari sa kanila.
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Yun sinasabi niyang stress and anxiety
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emanating from that letter.
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Kahit na siguro kayo kung nangyari sa inyo yan,
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kayo po yung matatransfer sa malayang lugar
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matapos kayo magsumbong,
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eh yan po hindi dapat nangyari.
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Hindi po mangyayari yun, Mr. Senator.
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yung sulat ko sa inyo
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na sinangayunan. Dumating po yung sulat,
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baka yun po yung support year.
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Can we get a copy of the letter? Anong date doon sa letter,
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Mr. Samson, Mr. Alvarez?
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bali po, meron po kami na-receive
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noong February 5.
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Ano ang date po noong receipt
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Receiving nga po noon, binigay po through email
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February 5. That was after
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noong February 1. And then
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there was an instruction coming
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Ma'am Che Francisco
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and Ma'am Nanette Pakalyagan
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na ituloy po yung
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nagtuloy po sila ng second placement
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process po eh. Yun po yung ano eh.
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Instead na dapat po hindi na nila gagawin yun,
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tinuloy po nila. And sir,
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I can present to you...
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Who's Che Ilagan?
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Ando, ando po nga po.
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Ano, kumsek, patawag si Che Ilagan
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sa susunod na hearing?
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At saka sino yung nagbigay sa inyo ng sulat?
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It was an instruction coming from
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Ms. Nanette Pakalyagan and
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Ma'am Che Francisco.
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Nanette Pakalyaga, patawag dito.
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And Che Francisco.
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And Che Francisco.
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And then, ang signatory po noon, sir,
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under oath po yun last time, si
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Sir Dan Cecilio. Kaya nga po, nagre-request
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po kami for contempt.
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Very good. I like that.
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Patawag din si ano pangal ulit?
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Si Daniel Cecilio po.
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Daniel Cecilio. Sa susunod na hearing,
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Daniel Cecilio should be here.
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Okay. Sir, dagdag ko lang po,
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meron po kaming clear evidence po
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ng memorandum po ng
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What do you mean send-off party?
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Kung talaga po wala silang balak na
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ituloyan kami, bakit po sila nag
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produce ng send-off party?
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Para kanina yung send-off party?
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Para sa amin daw po. Para daw po umalis na kami.
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Dapat po gagawin po yun noong February
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19, pero hindi na po natuloy nga.
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Kasi po, ang nangyari po,
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nagkaroon po kami ng hearing last...
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Okay. So, kung February 19 at hindi na natuloy,
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sabihin, sinusunod nilang
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kung ano na pag-uusapan noong last hearing?
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Yes, sir. Bale, yun nga po. After po
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noong letter namin sa inyo,
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na nag-cross-letter din po
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kami sa GECG and sa Office of the
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President, that's the time pa lang po na
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nag-release sila ng final order nila.
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Dated February 13 or 14.
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So, all of that, pwede natin pag-usapan
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sa susunod na hearing. Okay.
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We can also present leaving witnesses po
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at your honor, if you want,
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ng mga hinaras po nila,
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na sinabihan po nila na mareredan late kayo.
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Dapat yung pinagsabihan, meron tayong
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ebidensya na talagang
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that was said, and
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mas maganda kung meron tayong
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sulat na ibinigay
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doon sa tao at mga testigo. Kasi kung
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sasabihin lang ni Juan na ako'y hinaras
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ni Pedro, mukhang hindi naman po
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ata tama yun. Kasi anybody
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can say anything to, against
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Maliban na lang kung meron po kayong mga testigo
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o may mga documentations.
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Signing to that allegation. Okay, sir.
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Ayun nga po, your honor.
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Yung mga mismong tao po na
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nakaranas po nung
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mga ganong situation po
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na nagsumbong sa amin, we can present
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them to you po next hearing kung gusto nyo po.
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Pwede po namin silang invite dito.
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Okay. Notices and
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invitations for the next succeeding meetings
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will be sent accordingly. There being no other
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matters for consideration, this hearing
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is hereby suspended.
