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which aims to implement FCTC Article 5.3 by prohibiting interactions between the tobacco industry and the government.
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At para po sa amin na nasa Child Rights Network, mahalaga po ito na pananggalang para ang kapakanan ng mga bata ay hindi masanggi nang nasa kabilang panig ng advocacy na ito.
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Pangatlo, i-cancel na po natin, using the slang of young people, yung harm reduction narrative.
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Dahil we wish to reiterate na ang totoong harm reduction is a public health strategy.
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Hindi po dito dapat involved ang pag-introduce ng new and addictive products into the open market.
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Very concerned po kami kasi alam po natin ang sinasabi ng mga studies na ang prefrontal cortex ay nade-develop at 25 years old.
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So we're talking about young people.
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Sabi nga ng Global Youth Council.
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Ang survey, Global Youth Tobacco Survey, 1 in 7 Filipino students 13 to 15 years old ay na-expose na sa mga e-cigarettes and babes.
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So nakakabahala po na may ganitong naratibo na nagluluyor sa ating mga kabataan na sumubok ng mga makabagong paraan, mga makabakong tobacco.
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At pang huli, we wish that this Congress will pass the bill regulating electronic...
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electronic smoking devices para po sa aming mga advocates, ito ang totoong nagsachampion ng karapatan ng mga bata at kabataan, hindi ang vape law.
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And kapag pinasa po ng kongresong ito, ang amendatory bill or amendatory law na ito, it will undo the errors of the vape law at babalik sa 21 years old dahil ibinaba po ng vape law sa 18.
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So kami pong mga nasa child rights advocacy, palaging pataas dapat.
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So kami pong mga nasa child rights advocacy, palaging pataas dapat.
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Katulad din po ng sinusuportahan nila Madam Chair, pataas dapat yung age, bakit natin gustong babaan?
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Kasi marami na tayong wins eh, pero bakit ibinalik sa 18 years old?
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At sinusuportahan din po yun nung studies na 25 years old nga na de-develop yung prefrontal cortex.
02:12.2
So bakit ina-expect natin na yung 18 years old kaya na nilang ma-discern, no? Lalalo na yung tungkol sa kanilang kalusugan.
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We strongly emphasize the urgency of strengthening tobacco control measures.
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We strongly emphasize the urgency of strengthening tobacco control measures.
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And protecting our policies from the influence of the tobacco industry.
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So please, hands off our children and young people.
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Huwag niyo po silang targetin.
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And we will work together to prevent a future generation of Filipinos grappling with lifelong, irreversible, and transgenerational consequences arising from nicotine addiction and all the other harms brought by the use of these unsafe products.
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Kanina pa po namin naririnig yung balanced position and we respect our rights.
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And we respect our Philippine delegation, ating pong mga legislators.
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Pero kapag po kapakananan ng mga bata at kabataan yung pinag-uusapan, biased po kami.
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At biased po kami dun sa kanilang kapakanan.
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Maraming salamat po Madam Chair.
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Thank you. Very nice.
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Thank you very much.
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Can I just request the Senior Deputy Secretary to take that into consideration.
03:19.2
Take a second look at using the word balance.
03:23.2
For advocates, I know from a negotiator, from a DFA point of view, balance.
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But really from an advocate point of view, it's either you're pro or anti.
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I'm just saying take a look at it kasi may mga meetings pa naman kayo.
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And thank you very much for that short but very strong advocacy.
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And then we'll call on Attorney Paula Tangking from Action for Economic Reforms.
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They were very active with us during the syntax deliberations.
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Thank you Madam Chair.
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We already submitted our position paper but we'd like to point out some highlights.
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We note that it's ironic for us, the Philippines, who have been looked upon in the international as one of the best practices in tobacco taxation to be awarded the Dirty Ashley Award.
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So it's kind of ironic.
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Nanalo tayo sa isa and yet parang it's a shame na we did receive this award.
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We just want to highlight some recommendations, Madam Chair.
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First, that the Philippine government must always take into account the overriding concern and framework for our participation in the FCTC.
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In other WHO activities and similar multilateral international hearings is public health.
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Tobacco control is essentially about public health.
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So our government delegates to FCTC and similar conventions or summits must be made accountable to advancing and defending public health.
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So our government delegates to FCTC and similar conventions or summits must be made accountable to advancing and defending public health.
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The FCTC is not the place for the government delegation to even balance health and competing commercial or for profit interests.
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Next, given that FCTC is primarily about health, we join the stand of the other civil societies here that the Philippine delegation must be led by the Secretary of Health.
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Other members of the delegation must take the cue from the Department of Health on FCTC issues.
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With due respect to the Deputy Executive Secretary,
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The DFA earlier through Yusek Kose acknowledged that FCTC is highly about health and regulation and that on this matter they adhere to the Department of Health.
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And yet, that is not what we have seen so far.
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And finally, Madam Chair, while we are discussing several issues on the recent COP10,
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and as mentioned earlier by the head of the delegation that they plan to have an enforcement framework to stop selling e-cigarettes,
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to the youth, the Philippine government must insist on the correct definition and practice of harm reduction,
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especially on the use of electronic nicotine and non-nicotine devices.
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When even the industry recognizes the need for the regulation because of their harmful effects,
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the issue of it not just on sale but also on marketing to non-smokers, especially the youth, must also be addressed.
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Thank you, Madam Chair.
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I'll remind DOH and particularly FDA that submit so that before the next hearing,
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I want to see what you have already, what you have done in terms of the equipment,
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the personnel you need for proper testing, registration, and so on and so forth,
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and whatever collaboration you have because I think, Al, before you arrive,
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I also give you some information.
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You gave a bit of history that during the time of Secretary Juan Lopez,
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he told me that they already had equipment,
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and then in the hearing three months ago, they told me they're buying.
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So paikot-ikot lang tayo, niloloko lang ako, kahit ako niloloko ako na may equipment,
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walang equipment, may tao, walang tao.
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Anyway, I'd like to also end on this note to show you, Dr. Sacate, please.
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So these are examples of some,
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of some vapes, isigs.
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This one is called Korean Dessert.
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Clearly, as you would know, Yusek Sanchez, outlawed.
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You're not allowed to show pictures of desserts.
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But at the very least, and of course, I have no idea if this is accurate,
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meron siyang list of ingredients.
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So that's why we really know because technically, even before they put this here,
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just like any other food, cosmetic product, you test it kung tama yung nilalagyan.
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Yung laman niyan.
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And then this one has nothing.
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This has nothing.
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This doesn't even, this doesn't even try to comply with the laws.
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So I hope you understand, those of you who are not in the health and trade,
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because it's the two that are primarily involved.
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This is what we deal with on a day-to-day basis.
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Very attractive to kids.
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This is very neon, very metallic, very...
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Madam Chair, on that point lang.
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I remember every budget hearing, we asked the optical media board,
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especially nung wala pa Netflix, o ilan ang nahulin yung pirated?
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Kasi nga, alam naman natin kahit saan pwede kang bumili ng pirated.
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So sinong agency ang dapat proactive na tinitignan yung mga shops and making sure na...
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So do you already have task force going there?
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So maybe next hearing, you can report and show us how do you...
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They said they issued thousands of showcase orders, but show cause orders.
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But I was like, oh, and then...
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Oh, ba't hindi ba huli ka agad pag nakita mo doon na patently illegal sa online?
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Anyway, can you present?
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But ang point ko, magandang example yung optical media board, diba na?
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Whether it was Senator Bong Revilla or whoever.
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Nandito, they'll say, 10,000 ho na-confiscate namin, 1,000 ho sa Green Hills, 1,000 gano'n.
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Kaya the point is may regulation na.
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So if it's less than 100 meters, sarado na yan.
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If they're selling yung bawal, tanggalin yung mayor's permit niyan, diba?
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So let's just show some teeth doon sa...
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Nandiyan na yung regulation eh.
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So you have to follow that.
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But if they violate it, let's show na we mean business.
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So I'm not saying you're not.
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I just wanna see in the next hearing, with your permission, Madam Chair, na...
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Kasi ang Pilipino, sumusunod.
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Alam nilang i-enforce eh.
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Pero pagtingin nilang hindi, diba?
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Itutuloy lang nila.
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Madam Chair, we were able to get some of the specifics.
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As mentioned earlier, that we do have testing for the devices.
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The budget that was cut for us and so that prevented us from purchasing another equipment
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is for e-liquid and HTP vapor gas.
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So if there is any support,
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if there is any support that can be given to us or in collaboration with...
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Who cut your budget?
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We was requested at the, you know, budget submission level.
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And then for the 2023.
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But it was not budgeted.
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So kasama siguro sa conspiracy yun.
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Nakina-cut yung budget ng testing.
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I wouldn't be surprised. Seriously.
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So in that regard, we would...
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But sadly, sadly, there's so many people in your office who knows that I'm the advocate.
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How come no one told me?
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You don't even try.
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You don't even try to get a bigger budget.
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I would have given you a bigger...
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I would have given you a bigger budget.
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I would have sacrificed other advocacies I have to give the budget to you.
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We did submit for additional budget.
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Because you don't bother to take.
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And then kayo naman sa health,
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you know that I'm counting on you.
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You know that I'm counting on you to have our backs,
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to look after these kids.
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Because DTI, that is not at the forefront of their consciousness.
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Wala naman sa mandate niyo yung health.
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So every step of the way,
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you should be there watching.
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Nobody brought it to my attention.
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It's very annoying.
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O so ano nga tayo yun?
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Titigan tayo ngayon.
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Titigan tayo at inlex budget.
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Wala tayong pan-testing.
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Puro lukuhan ang ginagawa natin dito.
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Madam Chair, there's an easy solution to that eh.
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Ban the sale until na-test.
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Magbabayad pa yung tobacco industry para bumili ng makina para sa inyo.
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Gano'n lang kasimple yun.
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I mean, I don't know we'll do it.
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But that's the simple thing.
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Subukan niyo FDA walang gamit.
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Bibilan niya ng tobacco para lang gumalaw yung sales nila.
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It's just, I mean, it's not only the tobacco industry.
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If I sell pork and I cannot sell it habang walang inspectors,
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I'll pay for the inspectors para mabenta.
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And we will continue to work with the DILG also
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in terms of enforcement
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because part of our limitation is that,
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is really in closing down some of,
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taking out the retraction of mayor's permits
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is probably the more effective way of doing things.
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Madam Chair, sorry ah.
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On that point lang ah.
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Kasi when you catch a people violating the law,
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all you have to do is call the police.
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So better talaga kung may DILG, may kasama na kayo.
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But let's say you're in the store,
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they're selling illegal,
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all you have to do is call the police and go there and say bawal to.
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Yung optical media board kasi wala din naman silang ano.
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Pero nakaka until Netflix was ah.
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Yes, we continue po.
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Nakakaintindihan tayo.
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Just institutional lang po.
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I'll end on this note no.
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For all of those who have expressed surprise
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that this delegation received the Dirty Ashtray Award.
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One of the provisions that was questioned was
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concern on the comprehensive ban
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advertisement no?
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Comprehensive ban on advertisement.
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try to digest the
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why would you want there to be advertisement
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attractive colors of flavors for for the youth.
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Why would you want it if you're trying to protect the youth?
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We should be for a comprehensive ban.
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And yet here we are.
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Hindi tayo pumapayag nang may comprehensive ban tayo.
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And yet yung industry
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comprehensive yung tactics niya.
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pag-confuse sa inyo na nagtataka pa kayo bakit tayo nagkaroon ng ng Dirty Ashtray Award.
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My ability to communicate it
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is was probably not even comprehensive enough.
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Thankfully my brother bothered to take time
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and tried to explain it from a different point of view
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para lalong maintindihan ng mga nalilito
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the Dirty Ashtray Award.
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that after all these years
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and merong merong equipment na nandyan na daw
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I'll find out na nakat yung budget, walang nag-abala, mag-request
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para madagdagan natin yung budget
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And then we're arguing about the testing
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pero wala naman tayong pang-test.
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It's a very comprehensive
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approach to making sure that
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our products are out there
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poisoning our youth.
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That is the approach.
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And that they are successful.
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And if any of you here
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because all of you except for a few
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from the civil society
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are in bed with the tobacco industry
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And this committee will not stand for it.
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By not acting on your job
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you are committing a crime.
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so we can protect the children of this country.
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Work with me so that those
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who have addictions can truly
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seek the medical help they need
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and not be persuaded
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advertisement that simply tell them
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this is a safer alternative.
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This is a less harmful alternative.
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May I know from DOH
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because I know you want to say something
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may I know from FDA
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has any of these tobacco companies
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gone to FDA and requested for
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what do you call that permit?
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That permission to sell a product
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that is harm reduction? Anong tawag doon?
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A cessation device?
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Meron bang sa kanila?
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As of date, Madam Chair
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we have no application
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because we don't have any policy yet po.
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It is yet to be determined.
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But regardless kung may policy ka o hindi
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At magkaroon ka na rin ng policy.
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Para pag may lumapit meron.
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they're all trying to sell it.
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They'll say in any possible way
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they will say that it is less harmful
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and yet they will not go to FDA
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to get a certification
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that it is less harmful.
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Madam Chair, just one clarification lang
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kasi I'm concerned about the tobacco farm.
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I'm concerned about the tobacco farmers.
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But I want to clarify
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iba yung tobacco industry?
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Iba yung farmers?
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Tama ba na yung isigs
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you burn or you steam the tobacco?
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So may kilala man yung tobacco farmers.
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So huwag natin idama yung
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tobacco farmers kasi the reality is
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pag lumaganap pa nga yung vape
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lalong mawawala yung tobacco farmer
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kasi they don't supply it eh.
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Kaya we refer it to tobacco
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because it's the tobacco companies
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who are shifting to vape.
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Just so that the tobacco farmers
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will also know who's on their side or natin.
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Kasi parang natin natin tilapalabas
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para sa tobacco farmers to.
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is not for the tobacco farmers.
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Anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong
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but I just wanted to clarify that.
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So we're battling here now
17:27.2
The vape industry
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and the tobacco industry.
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mostly the same company
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but it's a different industry.
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Parang soft drinks and
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something else unhealthy.
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Which is less unhealthy than soft drinks.
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The time is late.
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I know you have given us
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most of your day.
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I thank you very much.
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Thank you for your patience also.
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It is not a comfortable discussion.
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So I appreciate everyone's professionalism.
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it is not a task that I chose.
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And yet it is my job
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to be able to sit through these
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uncomfortable hearings and
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hopefully everybody comes here with
18:13.2
good intentions but not everybody will
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as we have seen in previous hearings.
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But it is my intention
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to make everybody as comfortable as possible
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and never to humiliate anyone
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to put words in your mouth.
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You are always welcome to
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to clarify the statements you make
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and if you want to follow up with
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a written statement
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or to talk to my staff
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you are free to do that.
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On that note, I will suspend
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so you can all go about your day.
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Thank you for your time.
