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00:00.0
Okay guys, I think we need to discuss this. Officially, private citizen, both si Lenny Robredo and si Rodrigo Duterte. So far, Rodrigo Duterte is obviously anything but a private citizen in terms of his posturing. The way he's posturing himself is essentially as a leader of the opposition.
00:18.0
But as far as we know, the real leader of the opposition is on the other side. Now we can discuss Riza later on. But surveys also suggest that malakas pa rin na hatak ni Lenny. So kung tinignan mo yung WR Numero survey, 36% at least nagsabi na sana si Lenny na lang naging presidente. Along those lines, Lenny would have done a better job than BBM, which is quite interesting because Lenny's not in the political scene at all. Hindi na wala yung mga disinformation laban sa kanya.
00:44.4
And she got only around 20% of the votes last year.
00:48.0
In the last elections. So this is quite interesting. That means Lenny is still a force to reckon with, right? But first, pag-usapan muna natin si Digong. Digong 2025. Do you think that's gonna happen? Sir Ronald, let's start with you first.
00:59.2
Well, si BBM kasi nanalo with 61% of the votes. With more than 31 million votes. Diba? Nanalo siya. Kasama pa niya dyan yung mga Duterte. Hindi naman niya napalalo na niyan on his own.
01:18.0
So kasama yan. At nung na-be-upping yung UNITEAM, kahit pa paano may epekto yan. May epekto yan dun sa kanyang ratings. Si Lenny, hindi naman 20, 30% yung kanyang nakuhang boto. More than 30%. Surprising yung addition.
01:33.4
Sorry, o nga pala.
01:36.2
Siguro yung 6%, ito yung mga bumoto ng ibang mga kandidato. Dahil si Lenny kasi number 2.
01:43.1
Diba? So hindi nila pinapaktorin o hindi nakasama sa tanong.
01:48.0
Ibang kandidato. Diba? So baka yung questionnaire dyan, nakafocus lang kay Lenny.
01:53.4
Ronald, 27.94%. So just over 25%.
01:58.1
So meron na dagdag dyan na mga 8-10% na pwedeng lang galing sa ibang presidential candidates. Diba? Na pumunta dyan.
02:11.1
Pwede rin may lang galing dun sa mga Duterte na bumoto dahil sa UNITEAM.
02:18.0
Diba? Hindi natin sigurado eh. Hindi ko alam yung numbers crunching eh. Hindi ko nakita eh.
02:22.0
Tapos yung gumawa kasi ng survey, bago eh. Yung WR, hindi pa siyang masyadong kilala eh.
02:28.0
Itong natin na ito. Alam ko mga bata rin yan eh.
02:30.3
Oo, kilala ko. Mga kaibigan nga eh. Sila Robin, Klima. They're political scientists. In fairness, no one to this, guys.
02:35.0
And legit yung survey sila nung elections. Lumabas exactly.
02:38.6
Tapos kanyang online, hindi yung face-to-face eh. Like SWS, like OCTA, like PALS, like LILO.
02:46.2
So medyo may difference sila sa methodology. Kaya hindi ko pa sigurado yung accuracy.
02:52.8
Bagamit, pinipigyan ko sila ng benefit of the doubt.
02:56.6
But what's your hunch here? Bakit nag-increase pa yung support kay Lenny considering she's not even that active?
03:03.3
Is it because Lenny's an economist? She's known to better handle economics? Or at least may sense?
03:07.3
And now nakikita nila yung limitation ng BBM?
03:10.1
Basically, hindi siya kasama sa mga controversy ngayon. Diba?
03:14.3
Dahil hindi siya.
03:15.4
Wala siya sa gobyerno. Medyo, kwensya, blank check.
03:19.6
Ngayon kasi nagdudurugan yung Duterte at saka yung mga Marcoses eh.
03:24.2
So hindi yan na blank check. May damage sa pareho.
03:30.0
Kay Lenny, walang damage. Lahil kwensya eh. Wala siya. Diba?
03:33.9
So ang issue dyan kay Lenny, what might have been, what could have been.
03:38.7
Baka ganoon yung nasa isip, nung mga tinanong. Diba? Nung mga tinanong.
03:42.4
Unless she runs again.
03:45.4
Nagbasihan yung kay Rio na nadaya.
03:49.1
Yun naman ang sinasabi ng TN Trio. Diba?
03:52.5
Na mayroong anomal yan ang nangyari.
03:54.1
Pero ang problema, wala pa naman doong smoking gun.
03:56.9
So mayroong mga pwedeng pinanggagalingan yan.
04:00.1
Yung mga ibang mga bumoto sa ibang kandidato na hindi BBM.
04:04.4
Baka sa ganyang klaseng survey, nag-shift sila kay Lenny.
04:08.4
Panos Lenny is number two.
04:10.1
Ikalawa ay dahil si Lenny ay hindi tainted.
04:13.5
Hindi tainted nitong mga controversy, nitong mga kaaway between House at saka Senate,
04:18.6
between Intelligence Fund, Confidential Fund, etc.
04:22.4
Yung dalawang rally sa Dabao at saka sa Luneta.
04:25.5
So hindi siya kasama sa gulo.
04:28.4
Medyo positive yung kanyang projection.
04:29.9
Above the fray siya.
04:33.0
That's an interesting read.
04:34.3
I mean, my read more was siguro, nag-guess ng tao,
04:36.9
we need someone who really understands economics,
04:39.2
someone with competence, with merit, lalo with the inflation problem.
04:43.7
And I would even say, nangyari yung reverse nostalgia.
04:47.4
Yung isang dahilan na nanalo mga Marcos is because sabi na,
04:50.2
oh, nung panahon ni Marcos ay ganito, ganyan.
04:52.2
Itong mga dilawan, sila Ronald Llamas, sinira nilang Pilipinas.
04:55.5
Ngayon, nanakita ng tao, itong bagong Pilipinas ay matahas ang inflation,
04:59.6
hindi na ayos sa problema.
05:00.7
Ay, sana doon nalang tayo kila Lenny.
05:02.7
I mean, I kind of see this as a poetic reverse nostalgia, right?
05:06.5
In a way na suddenly niraromanticize si Lenny.
05:10.0
And dahil, of course, hindi na-focus sa kanya.
05:13.5
PBM, because of unity.
05:15.7
Wala namang ibang platform, vision, principles, walang ganun eh.
05:19.5
Diba? It's all about unity.
05:21.2
Tapos nakita mo, in one year, nawasak yung unity team.
05:25.7
So yung mga bumoto dahil sa unity,
05:28.4
baka nagdadalawang isip, ano ba yung binoto naming unity team?
05:31.3
Eh, nagkabilyak na kagad.
05:33.1
So, yun yung mga pwedeng pinanggagalingan eh,
05:36.7
nitong mga survey.
05:37.7
But then again, hindi ko nakita yung...
05:39.3
Yeah, we don't have the numbers.
05:40.8
We're just making some general predictions.
05:43.5
where do you come from?
05:43.9
Because you really analyze yung DDS attacks on Lenny.
05:47.7
Yung nga eh, siguro isang malaking factor din,
05:50.5
one and a half years na pahinga yung ano eh.
05:53.2
Yung anim na taon na walang tigil na black ops kay Lenny eh.
05:57.9
Before, naalala ko, diba, a few years ago lang,
06:01.0
sa radyo, sa online, sa TV,
06:04.2
lahat puro Lenny Lugaw, Lenny Lutang,
06:09.6
napahinga ng one and a half years eh.
06:11.6
And si Lenny naman, diba,
06:13.5
kung tanggalin mo lahat ng mga ano,
06:15.6
she has good quality,
06:16.7
she has good ano,
06:17.8
marami din naman siyang nagawa as nung VP siya.
06:20.5
So maybe yun ang nakikita ng mga taong nag-agree
06:25.0
So what you're saying, Mark, is
06:28.0
Lenny in a low toxic political environment,
06:31.5
in a low black ops environment,
06:33.1
could have been a very, very promising presidential candidate, right?
06:37.0
Parang imagine kung wala yung mga DDS attack and all,
06:39.7
she can easily get around 40% of the votes,
06:41.6
which would put her at the same level,
06:43.5
and Aquino, right?
06:44.6
Sila, Aquino and BBM, mga 40% din sila, diba?
06:47.0
So that tells you, actually,
06:48.6
Lenny in a non-toxic political environment
06:50.7
would have been even a more compelling,
06:53.3
sorry, a more competitive candidate.
06:55.2
It shows nga kung gaano ka-effective yung demolition,
06:58.5
yung machine that was attacking Lenny for six years,
07:02.3
and kung gaano ka-effective siya,
07:04.0
and really, ano, and really,
07:05.6
pababain itong si Lenny, pababain itong ano,
07:08.7
so very effective talaga.
07:09.9
Ang problema nga lang, iba na kinabang, diba?
07:13.5
Ibang kampo na kinabang, diba?
07:16.2
They were doing it para tuloy-tuloy, para ano,
07:18.6
kaso ngayon, sila nagsaking ng matagal na matagal,
07:23.8
iba yung kumain, diba?
07:26.6
Okay yun, I like that metaphor.
07:29.3
Kirap ka. Thank you, pare, ha?
07:31.2
Thank you, thank you, pare.
07:31.9
Oo, diba? They spent six years, araw-araw,
07:35.8
barrage lahat, kalawat kanan, walang tigil,
07:38.7
tapos iba pala makikinabang, hindi pala sa kanila.
07:41.5
Tapos yung nakinabang pa,
07:43.5
ba't yung lunchbox, ginawa, hindi lang yung lunch,
07:45.9
ginawa pa yung lunchbox.
07:47.6
At saka dagdag ng konti,
07:49.8
yung mga kumatay kay Lenny for six years,
07:51.7
sila nga yung nagbabakbakan, no?
07:54.2
Sila nga yung nagbabakbakan ngayon.
07:55.9
Tapos yung ikalawang factor pa,
08:01.8
nakalimutan ko na, sige tuloy ko muna,
08:03.4
nakalimutan ko yung ikalawang sasabihin ko.
08:04.6
Ay, nagsabi dito, nabudol yung nambubudol.
08:08.1
Yun daw yung nga.
08:09.0
Ito nga yung nakakatuwa pang part.
08:13.5
I'm active ulit sa ano?
08:14.9
Yung sa channel ko,
08:15.8
sa Models of Manila TV,
08:17.4
I'm active ulit sa political vlogging.
08:19.8
Gabi-gabi, nagla-live na ako ulit.
08:21.9
After nitong rally na to,
08:23.2
kasi very buhay na ulit yung politika.
08:25.4
Napapansin ko, ano eh,
08:27.0
hindi na gano'n ka, ano eh,
08:31.7
ngayon mas open na yung mga nandun sa admin side
08:34.5
to work with nandun sa Lenny side
08:39.9
Kasi they have a common enemy now.
08:41.7
So, hindi na, hindi na gano'n ka barbaric
08:44.7
o gano'n ka, gano'n ka ano na Lenny.
08:47.7
Ay, xx ka agad ngayon.
08:49.7
Teka, kakampi ko to eh.
08:51.7
Ito yung sa Senado, ito yung nagkakasok
08:53.7
sa, ito si Trillanes.
08:56.7
So, kanina, kanina, sorry, meron akong live,
09:00.7
ang audience ko is maraming mga pro-admin,
09:03.7
pero I was showing them yung interview mo kay Trillanes.
09:06.7
So, they were open, they were open to it.
09:09.7
Kasi, yun nga, iisa ang kalaban.
09:11.7
Yung nakakatawa dyan Richard tsaka Sir Ronald,
09:14.7
yung sa kabilang side naman,
09:16.7
yung sa DDS naman,
09:18.7
ang parating nilang bukang bibig ngayon,
09:20.7
kung papansin namin yung ano nila, is
09:24.7
Yung ginawa ng DILAW nung 80s,
09:28.7
parating yun, parating yun.
09:30.7
Nung 86, yung ginawa ng tao
09:32.7
dahil tinanggal yung rehiming Marcos, dahil ayaw na.
09:36.7
So, yun yung ine-emulate nila to show na posibleng,
09:39.7
yun yung posibleng daan natin.
09:41.7
Towards, para matalo itong Marcos admin ngayon na kinakawawa tayo.
09:47.7
So, parehong, parehong may ano eh.
09:49.7
Diba, meron pa sila yung mga,
09:51.7
let's audit the Congress, good governance.
09:54.7
Diba, sa inyo yan Ronald, yung good gov, daan matuwid.
09:58.7
Daan matuwid yung DDS.
10:00.7
Yung nga yung tasabihin ko kanina.
10:02.7
Yung saan yung tasabihin ko kanina Richard na nakalimutan ko.
10:05.7
Halimbawa, si Sandra Cam,
10:07.7
pinupuri si Liberal Party President Edsel Lagman.
10:10.7
Doon sa kanyang banat sa People's Initiative.
10:14.7
Kinu-quote siya ng mga vloggers na DDS, no?
10:17.7
Dahil pareha silang anti-People's Initiative.
10:20.7
Tapos meron kang mga DDS vloggers na pinupuri si Risa, no?
10:24.7
Dahil sabi ni Risa, magpa-dragtest si Digong at saka si BBM at the same time.
10:32.7
Eh, hindi na sila binidigong eh.
10:34.7
So, can you imagine a DDS na pupurihin si Risa?
10:38.7
Dalawang guesting ko sa Politiscope.
10:41.7
Nakikita ko kay Banat Bay.
10:43.7
Ginagamit ni Banat Bay labang kay BBM.
10:46.7
So, ibig sabihin, may ganun klaseng angulo ngayon.
10:50.7
Dahil may mga issues na magkakaparehas kayo.
10:52.7
Halimbawa, anti-Chacha.
10:54.7
Na ayaw nilang banatan kayo.
10:58.7
Na usually nagbabanatan.
11:00.7
Lalo na nung panahon ni Lenny nung siya ay Vice President.
11:04.7
Na ngayon ay sinusubukang i-co-opt yung message mo.
11:07.7
At to co-opt that, hindi ka babanatan.
11:10.7
Kaya yung six years na binabanatan si Lenny,
11:13.7
itong one and a half years, medyo truce.
11:16.7
At to some extent, baka nga kinakampihan pa.
11:19.7
Sabi nga ni Mark.
11:21.7
Grabe itong mga realignment.
11:23.7
Okay, I think that's enough of this episode.
11:25.7
So, the next episode ko nang isingit yung kay Digong.
11:27.7
Kasi ang real issue talaga is Risa eh.
11:30.7
Because doon sa discussion namin with Sonny Trillanes earlier this week, sabi niya,
11:35.7
kami, we are talaga po.
11:36.7
We are talaga pushing for the pinks to rally behind Risa na.
11:40.7
Let's move on na.
11:41.7
Huwag na natin ano yun.
11:42.7
Let's go na for Risa.
11:43.7
So, pag-usapan natin yan in the next episode.
11:46.7
And before even talking about 2028, we still have to talk about 2025.
11:49.7
Because there's still a chance that perhaps Digong might still run out of desperation or even more.
11:54.7
Maraming salamat guys.
11:55.7
Thank you very much sa aking mga showbiz co-anchors.
