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00:00.0
Okay guys, this is the penultimate episode because mag-usapan natin ng opposition leadership because one is ano ba talagang opposition at ano ba talagang leadership.
00:10.2
So in previous episodes and discussions, sabi natin if you're looking at the race for 2028, it's essentially between Tulfo and Sara right now if you look at the numbers.
00:21.8
But for me, the rise of Tulfo doesn't necessarily mean na tapos ng laban for the pink. If anything, it opens up the race. So tingin ko it could be a three-way race.
00:31.8
And in context of that, sabi ni Trillianes in our interview na sila, they're openly calling now on the pink movement to rally na behind Risa.
00:39.4
Now Mark, you want to comment a little bit on this issue because ang basa ko, again I hope people don't hate us for saying this, ang basa ko is that rallying effect around Risa is still not happening.
00:49.0
Maraming pa rin umasa na Lenny will still run in 2028.
00:51.8
We see actually Lenny number three in many of the surveys. Doon sa isang episode, pinag-usapan natin 36, almost 40 percent gusto nila si Lenny na lang sana yung presidente.
01:00.5
That means yung mga hindi bumoto sa kanya ng last elections, ngayon ay medyo mas sangayon sa kanya.
01:05.9
So for me, medyo things are in the air. Ano ba talaga? Kasi the preparation should start na for 2028 because Sara is already in it, Tulfo is building his base.
01:17.7
So nasaan yung opposition dyan? Now Mark, I want to start with you first on this.
01:21.8
Di ba may concern ka? Parang basa mo, sometimes Risa seems to be on her own. There's no that rallying effect around her. Lalo itong isang chacha, anti-chacha movement where the rest of, di ba?
01:33.9
Yan ang napansin ko nung ano eh. Kasi parang meron siyang iba't ibang groups na nandoon. May church, may halo-halo iba-ibang groups, anti-chacha.
01:43.8
Which is yan din yung rallying sa opposition, sa kanila. Pero bakit walang representative yung pink movement?
01:51.8
Bakit walang kahit anong pink? Eh yun ang malakas na black eh. I mean, di ba yun yung fresh lang from the last elections?
02:01.3
You were talking about kanina dun sa unang episode natin na wala masyadong parang political party sa bansa.
02:08.1
Pero the closest thing na nakikita ko is itong sa pink na merong what you stand for, ano yung good governance, anti-corruption, ganun. So yung sa pink movement, may ganun eh.
02:21.8
Tapos may voting block, mayroong ano kaso. Ang problema, nakafocus lang sa presidential. Pero sabi nga ni former Senator Trillanes sa interview mo,
02:31.0
hindi naman pwedeng tumitigil lang tayo pagtapos yung presidential elections. Wala na, kanya-kanya na tayo ulit. Kita na lang tayo sa 2028, sa 2027, di ba?
02:40.6
So, not even 2028, 2025. Ano ba ang plano ng pink movement sa 2025? Bakit walang pinupush na sa...
02:51.8
Yung maski nga yung support nila dun sa mga senators, meron pa rin of course sila Chelsea, sila BAM, sila ano. Pero like yung sa mga congress and yung sa mga LGU positions.
03:03.3
Si former Senator Trillanes is looking for a run sa Kaluokan, di ba? He admitted that. Na gusto niyang mag-mayor ng Kaluokan.
03:12.5
Nasaan yung grassroots? Nasaan yung power? Yung online power? Yung cancel culture na they use so strongly kay Tony Gonzalez?
03:21.8
They use so strongly against Daryl Yap? Nasaan yun in pushing for their candidates who are running for other positions na sa LGU or sa national?
03:35.2
Di ba? Parating kung iulit-ulit sinasabi, yung maski party list lang eh. If you could elect three party list na congressmen na pinks, anong impact nun sa kongreso, di ba?
03:44.5
They would reflect yung values ng mga bumaboto sa kanila.
03:51.8
They will be voted out. So that's the closest thing we have to a political party na sumusunod ka dun sa values ng base mo, di ba?
04:03.6
Kasi you would get voted out if tumaliwas ka. If tinanggap mo yung mga, kung ano yung, di ba, yung sa admin or yung Calero Mualdez or yung kung ano, di ba?
04:14.1
You'll be voted out by the campaign. Kasi hindi yan yung dahilan kung ba't ka namin dinoto.
04:19.4
So walang ganun on the part of pinks.
04:21.8
Nanging hinayang lang ako. Kasi syempre, on several issues, maganda yung mga pinaglalaban na nasimula ni Lenny at nitong mga pinks.
04:30.4
Wala tuloy nagpupush para sa kanila. Tapos, tsaka sila magre-reklamo. Ano ba yung gobyerno? Ganyan-ganyan.
04:37.0
Pero you have the chance to put in representatives eh. What is 900,000 votes kung ilan yung pumasok kay Lenny noon, di ba?
04:44.9
So yun lang naman yung punto ko pagdating dyan sa pink movement.
04:49.4
And parang, they're not concerned about the 2025 elections.
04:56.5
Dalawang issue, no?
04:58.9
Una, yung usapin ng machinery.
05:02.3
Alimawa, ang PDP Laban was the biggest political party after the election.
05:09.1
Mas malaki pa yan kasi lakas sa NUCD, NUP, NPC, Nationalista.
05:14.4
Pinakamalaki PDP Laban. In less than a year, na-decimate yan.
05:17.6
Yung natitirang PDP Laban sa House, nag-pro-tsa-tsa na.
05:24.0
Nag-pro-tsa-tsa na.
05:24.9
So, practically, yan yung natural tendency ng mga political parties.
05:29.6
Dahil wala nga ideology. Walang card-bearing members, walang ganun, no?
05:33.3
So, yun ang nangyari.
05:34.7
Kaya, talagang aasahan mo.
05:37.9
Alimbawa, Liberal Party, ilan yan?
05:39.9
Pito, walo, hati sa tatlo.
05:43.1
Dalawa na sa minority.
05:45.9
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:46.8
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:46.9
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:46.9
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:47.0
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:47.0
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:47.1
Yung presidente ng Liberal Party.
05:47.6
Independent minority, si Edsel.
05:50.7
Apat na sa majority, including yung sponsor.
05:56.3
Oh, sponsor ng Maharlika Bill.
05:58.6
They're all still Liberal Party, no?
06:00.5
So, ibig sabihin, talagang nangyayari yan.
06:03.0
Na-decimate talaga.
06:04.6
Yung mga pag-hindi ka nanalo.
06:07.0
At ang lumalakas ngayon, Partido Federal at saka lakas NUCD,
06:11.3
na tinake over ni Speaker.
06:13.7
At all the others na natitira,
06:15.8
sasama na dun sa...
06:16.8
sa ruling coalition.
06:18.8
Yun yung natural na nangyayari.
06:20.7
Pero mo, overnight, naubos yung PDP laban.
06:23.2
So, hindi lang yung pink ang nawala.
06:26.4
Mismo yung PDP laban, na napakalakas, naubos.
06:29.9
Yun yung nangyayari.
06:31.8
Pero, at the same time,
06:34.9
nanalo si ERAP with minimal politicians.
06:40.3
Yung partido niya, kabubuo lang.
06:42.3
Yung partido na masang Pilipino, PMP.
06:46.8
nanalo with 10-11 congressmen supporting him.
06:52.4
At ang tawag nila diyan, tricycle party.
06:54.9
Nung nanalo siya.
06:56.6
Si Digong, nanalo with only one...
06:58.8
Kina Volkswagen, ha?
07:00.2
Dato Volkswagen, yung tricycle lang yan.
07:02.3
One congressman, si Bebot Alvarez lang.
07:05.5
Riding in tandem lang sila.
07:09.0
pwede kang manalo without this support.
07:12.5
Dahil yan, bagahe pa, gasos pa yan, eh.
07:14.8
Lalo na kung ang focus mo,
07:16.4
kung ay presidency lang.
07:18.0
Lahat yan, sasama later,
07:19.6
pag nanalo ka, eh.
07:22.1
ayaw nilang bagahe yan.
07:24.0
Pero, on the positive side naman,
07:27.3
itong sinasabi nating survey na
07:31.5
sinusuportahan si Lenny.
07:33.1
Nadagdagan ng 10%
07:34.7
yung kanyang nakuhang boto
07:37.8
Ito yung mga hindi bumuto.
07:40.1
on the landscape,
07:44.3
kahit walang mga opisyal,
07:46.4
walang mga congressman,
07:47.7
walang governor, etc.
07:48.9
Merong ganong potential
07:50.0
na pwede mong maging pundasyon
07:53.3
going into the midterm
07:54.6
and going into 2028.
07:58.8
yung 15 million na bumoto kay Lenny,
08:01.0
yung 27% na bumoto kay Lenny,
08:04.1
kung kinonsolidate nila yan
08:06.5
after the election,
08:08.0
nationwide thanksgiving tour,
08:10.0
nationwide listening tour,
08:11.6
tapos ipasa kay Risa,
08:13.5
baka iba yung naging resulta.
08:18.0
Pero, yun nga, Ronald,
08:19.2
we've been seeing this forever.
08:20.6
Why isn't it happening?
08:21.7
Why isn't it happening?
08:22.3
Kaya sabi ko lang,
08:25.6
Ang sabi ni Lenny,
08:32.1
Basic suntsu yung kanyang iniinvoke.
08:35.3
Huwag mo daw ipaalam sa kalaban mo
08:37.7
yung mga plano mo.
08:40.8
Yun yung sinabi niya doon sa Lasalle,
08:43.2
yung launching nung
08:54.7
Tatakbo siya sa Naga eh.
08:57.0
Parang ayaw na niya...
08:57.8
Confirm na po ba?
08:58.6
Confirm na ba sa Naga
09:01.8
mahihirapan siya.
09:03.8
mahihirapan siya.
09:04.6
Kahit mag-unite yung
09:12.8
Hindi ganun kadali.
09:13.8
Dahil malakas yung
09:20.5
Tapos yung district
09:23.1
hindi sila matatalo roon.
09:25.8
Pero baka wala pa
09:26.9
na pang-governor.
09:30.3
one and a half years pa
09:34.3
ang focus niya is lokal.
09:40.8
na sumusuporta sa kanya
09:44.7
dapat maipapakita
09:45.1
at ipasa niya yan.
09:47.0
Dapat may consolidate yan.
09:49.3
Into a machinery.
09:50.2
Unless she has her own plans.
09:51.5
Unless she's still...
09:53.4
or ma-pressure siya
09:56.9
bumalik sa national.
10:00.4
anything can still happen.
10:04.4
gano ba kalaking syansa
10:07.8
ng mga pink na senators?
10:10.0
parang alanganin pa din
10:11.8
Kung ang batayan natin
10:19.2
kung ikaw ay nasa dulo,
10:22.2
nandun yung mga pink eh.
10:26.5
pag ikaw ay hindi incumbent,
10:31.1
pwede niyang magbago eh.
10:32.5
Pwede niyang mag...
10:35.1
nung tumakbo siya
10:45.1
sa Senate nun eh.
10:46.5
yung patalastas niya,
10:47.6
nalagot ako sa nanay ko,
10:52.3
Kung nalagot ako sa nanay ko,
11:02.1
anything can still happen eh.
11:03.5
Kung makuha mo yung tamang branding,
11:06.4
Kung magkakaroon ka ng,
11:10.2
Bagamat nangyari yan
11:11.2
before yung social media,
11:13.5
let's do it moment,
11:17.7
Nobody knows Flavier.
11:20.3
dahil sa kanyang slogan,
11:25.1
hindi ko sure eh,
11:28.4
Pero may naisip din ako,
11:30.8
may naisip din ako,
11:31.8
kasi kanina we were talking about na
11:33.4
nag-aawa yung DDS
11:36.4
nililigawan nila yung pink.
11:38.4
thinking about it now,
11:39.6
yung dalawang kampo na yun,
11:41.1
they still would not vote
11:49.2
nung sa pinks eh.
11:52.4
magka-away na sila ngayon,
11:54.0
nililigawan nila yung pinks,
11:55.4
pero hindi pa rin nila
11:56.1
bo-vote yung senador
11:58.1
paano nila makakaget over
12:00.9
crack the magic 12,
12:05.7
ng mawawala pa si Pimentel.
12:08.3
sino pang matitira
12:08.9
kaya kasama ni Sen. Riza
12:10.3
doon sa minority,
12:12.6
kung mamaintain mo yung
12:15.1
magmasupport kay Lenny
12:16.1
at madadagdagan mo,
12:21.8
Kung yung 37% na yun,
12:24.9
Kung mas solid mo.
12:26.7
hindi ba sa rin yun na
12:27.8
pwedeng maitranslate yun
12:31.6
hindi kayang magsenador,
12:32.7
magparty list na muna kayo.
12:34.0
nakakapasok muna kayo.
12:35.5
Mahirap ang party list
12:36.9
Mas mahirap ang local ngayon,
12:39.0
Maramihan ng party list ngayon
12:43.2
Yung congressman.
12:49.7
one strong influencer eh.
12:53.8
You just need one
12:54.6
very, very strong influencer
12:55.9
and I could see Lenny
12:59.2
i-vote nyo tong party list na to.
13:01.9
would that equal, diba?
13:03.0
Parang yun ang nakikita ko na
13:05.5
that's two or three congressmen
13:08.3
ipasok on their side.
13:12.8
halos lahat ng party list
13:15.6
Kasi yun nga nakakatawa
13:22.4
Si Guanzon nakapasok.
13:23.8
Pero hindi siya pinaupo.
13:25.2
Hindi siya pinaupo
13:35.2
yun lang yung point ko.
13:35.8
Baka pwedeng mag-elect
13:36.7
kayo ng party list na
13:38.5
first week pa lang.
13:39.7
biglang sasayaw na
13:41.4
dun sa opposite side
13:45.2
example ko din Richard ah.
13:46.9
Nabasa ko lang kanina
13:48.6
May isang congressman
13:49.7
may isang tatakbo
13:51.2
na parang may rumor na
13:52.7
yung anak daw ni Mar Rojas.
13:55.3
Ayun, district yun.
13:59.5
Tatakbo yun sa district.
14:02.5
So hindi ba dapat
14:03.6
kung ikaw yung pink
14:04.5
you try to make sure na
14:05.9
o teka dito ka na sa amin.
14:07.7
Baka naman pagdating mo
14:14.9
Hindi ba dapat parang
14:15.8
sinisecure na nila yun
14:21.3
Ikaw future leader natin
14:22.8
susuportahan ka namin
14:31.7
nangailangan ng goodies
14:32.9
katulad nung iba dyan.
14:35.9
pwedeng hindi siya
14:39.4
Katulad nung iba.
14:43.2
nasa administration.
14:47.0
pero nasa administration
14:55.9
yung alak ni Marojas
14:57.4
una, tatakbo siya
14:58.9
pero kung manalo siya
15:11.1
Kaya no choice sila,
15:15.1
siguro yung point ko,
15:18.3
dapat parang ano yan, eh,
15:19.4
parang building a basketball team,
15:21.4
inahanap mo na yung
15:23.5
inahanap mo na yung mga
15:27.8
And yung anak ni Marojas,
15:30.1
from what I'm seeing,
15:37.0
And yung mga negative na
15:39.2
baka wala sa kanya.
15:40.9
So may political future,
15:42.4
baka dapat ngayon pa lang,
15:43.6
eh, medyo inaanohan mo na,
15:45.2
medyo tinatayaan na nung,
15:48.9
feel the love na mula doon
15:52.6
Kasi hintayin mo pang,
15:56.2
magiging tropa yan,
15:58.6
magiging tropa yan,
16:00.5
kasing edaran niya, eh.
16:02.3
So yun lang naman
16:03.6
yung point ko din.
16:04.4
I have two questions.
16:05.4
The one question is,
16:06.4
I think we're assuming na
16:08.2
monolithic yung pinks,
16:12.2
a lot of pink movement
16:13.0
is just really Lenny,
16:14.5
which raises a second problem,
16:16.6
which is transferability.
16:19.3
can Lenny transfer?
16:21.4
lumalabas sa discussion natin,
16:22.9
there's no coherence, eh.
16:24.4
There's no organization.
16:26.4
you know what I'm saying?
16:28.2
it's really a Lenny,
16:31.2
it's like a Lenny fans club, right?
16:32.9
Parang ganun ang dating niya sa akin.
16:36.0
is this really transferable?
16:37.1
This is the question.
16:38.3
naginginig lang ako
16:38.9
for the first time,
16:39.6
tahimik lang ako.
16:40.2
I'm just sitting back
16:41.0
and listening to all of you.
16:42.5
I completely agree
16:43.1
with both of you guys.
16:43.8
Pero napaisip ako,
16:45.0
bakit this is just
16:45.7
a Lenny fans club?
16:49.2
I understand why,
16:50.4
but that's not how
16:51.6
you're gonna move forward.
16:53.4
it's not sustainable.
16:54.9
umaasa ka lang kay Lenny.
16:56.0
And to be fair to Lenny,
16:57.3
we don't wanna put pressure
16:58.1
on her all the time.
16:59.0
Ang daming nagagalit sa akin
16:60.0
ba't Lenny ka ng Lenny.
17:01.4
hindi nyo ka masisisi
17:05.2
charisma is a political factor
17:09.5
fully and sustainably.
17:11.7
that raises the question,
17:12.5
is it transferable?
17:15.0
maybe BAM or someone else
17:16.4
should run the next,
17:21.9
on the transferability?
17:24.2
gusto ko makita yung numbers,
17:27.9
Wala akong masyadong batayan.
17:29.9
Hindi natin alam,
17:32.7
37 percent na ito?
17:35.4
Ito ba ay purely Lenny lang?
17:47.9
pwede mo i-deconstruct.
17:51.2
Mismo yung ginawa
17:52.2
na survey na yan,
17:53.5
wala tayong hawak
17:57.7
hindi ko sigurado.
17:58.5
Gusto ko makita yung numbers.
18:00.7
ay transferable ba?
18:06.1
under what conditions?
18:07.5
what are the things
18:08.2
that are necessary?
18:13.9
Tingin ko transferable siya,
18:16.3
sa mga taong ito lang,
18:21.1
yung mga daughters ni Lenny,
18:23.6
transferable yun for sure
18:26.4
if they decide to run,
18:28.3
kakampings na yan,
18:30.3
nasa likod nila yan.
18:32.8
hindi ko din sure kung ano,
18:34.4
baka kung may tumakbong
18:35.3
kapamilya na star,
18:37.3
if you get Angel Locsin,
18:44.0
nakakamping movement,
18:48.4
if meron doon sa kapamilya
18:49.8
na high profile na tumakbo,
18:51.5
baka you could get
18:54.4
parang hindi siya automatic
18:56.2
hindi siya automatic
19:00.0
doon ako nag-ano,
19:02.8
Maganda kayong point mo,
19:03.7
baka nga Lenny fans club talaga eh.
19:05.8
I'm not saying that's it for,
19:07.6
but so far pa lang ganyan.
19:09.0
Si Bea ba pang pamilya?
19:10.1
si Bea ba pang pamilya?
19:19.6
mga ganong level.
19:23.3
Kasi hindi naman ako
19:24.7
okay lang naman sa akin.
19:26.0
Pero base sa alam mo,
19:27.1
doon sa mga maliliit na parties
19:33.2
invitado kaya sa iyo eh.
19:35.9
I invite ako sa mga ano eh.
19:40.4
is there any conversation
19:42.0
really going on there?
19:45.4
mukhang maraming mga,
19:47.9
that Grace Poe Maroas episode,
19:51.5
the fault lines are still there eh.
19:53.7
Yung mga galit kayo po,
19:55.3
galit pa rin kayo po.
19:56.1
Yung mga galit kayo po,
19:58.7
ang lalim ng ugat eh.
19:59.8
Ang lalim ng fault lines.
20:01.3
Huwag mo kalimutan,
20:03.0
si Bam nag-resign sa Liberal Party.
20:05.6
Iba ang partido ni Bam ngayon.
20:12.4
hindi yan ganun kasolid pa.
20:16.8
para mag-join together
20:23.7
pero magkaiba na ng partido yan.
20:25.8
Si Bam na dating LP,
20:27.2
ngayon ay hindi na LP.
20:30.7
na tumakbo si Drilon.
20:37.7
service has been long time,
20:47.5
siguradong tatakbo.
20:50.2
ano po ang chance na,
20:53.0
naligawan sila for a unity ticket
20:56.1
Meron bang ganung
20:58.6
o may option bang ganun?
21:00.1
Mas malaki yung chance,
21:01.1
Mas malaki yung chance
21:03.1
in the unity ticket,
21:07.4
last election kasi,
21:10.0
dala ng tatlong presidente,
21:14.5
posible pa bagong
21:19.6
dito sa kaya natin,
21:20.9
Ang sigurado ko kasi,
21:22.0
wala makakakompleto eh.
21:23.4
Neither the Duterte
21:25.3
cannot complete a slate.
21:27.2
magkukuha sila ng mga
21:28.7
na i-a-adopt nila.
21:33.0
macho black sa Senate,
21:39.4
si Gringo Hunasan,
21:42.7
at least four of them
21:44.2
mag-negotiate as a group.
21:47.1
Mag-negotiate as a group.
21:49.4
hindi yan sasama sa Duterte.
21:52.0
hindi yan i-a-adopt doon.
21:55.0
open yung dalawang kampo
21:58.8
hindi sila organic
21:59.7
sa kanilang slate,
22:01.1
pero i-a-adopt sila.
22:03.1
Yung apat na yan.
22:05.8
and perhaps one more.
22:07.7
ang more or less yung
22:19.1
Four guest candidates.
22:21.5
ang qualification nila,
22:23.1
hindi siya unity ticket talaga.
22:25.2
Unity ticket kasi,
22:27.1
talagang kasama ka sa...
22:30.0
ganoon yung nuancing dyan.
22:34.2
I raised this issue
22:37.2
what's happening here is
22:39.6
we're talking in the wake
22:43.7
And kung titignan mo,
22:45.1
I don't know about
22:45.7
yung iba na kaklaim na
22:46.7
they fought against dictator
22:48.2
but let's be honest,
22:49.0
Duterte was no dictator
22:51.0
things that people are facing
22:52.5
in places like Russia,
22:55.4
grabe yung nangyari.
22:56.4
And when we talk about
22:59.9
had actually a successful life.
23:01.7
Nasa real estate siya,
23:03.6
very successful vlogger,
23:07.0
actually speaking of TikTok,
23:08.1
these people should watch
23:09.5
yung documentary ni Navalny
23:11.0
na how he uses TikTok
23:12.3
even better than his daughter
23:16.1
ng itong tao ito,
23:18.0
Multiple assassination plot,
23:20.6
horrible assassination plot.
23:21.9
Nasa Germany na siya,
23:23.2
pinoprotect na siya
23:23.9
ng German army even,
23:26.0
Against further assassination plots
23:35.6
ng physical damage
23:36.6
because para sa kanya
23:38.1
siguro political death
23:40.4
of a Russian leader
23:41.7
and unfortunately
23:42.7
mukhang na-confirm na
23:46.6
the exact circumstances
23:53.7
don't people like Alexei Navalny
23:57.3
all of these people
23:59.8
mahirap maging opposition
24:02.4
what we're facing,
24:05.2
nag-opposition leader?
24:06.0
Because to be honest,
24:07.4
even under Duterte,
24:08.8
we didn't have anything
24:09.6
close to what other people
24:11.3
in places like Russia.
24:13.1
I can talk about some.
24:14.8
look at those countries,
24:18.4
people like Alexei Navalny,
24:19.7
very successful people,
24:21.7
risked their life
24:24.5
yung other cases.
24:26.8
we should a little bit
24:29.6
opposition leadership?
24:31.6
leadership is not just
24:32.5
tumatakbo ka lang
24:33.8
laban sa incumbent
24:37.8
You get what I'm saying?
24:38.7
this is where I'm coming
24:40.3
kasi I think people
24:41.7
when I say things
24:42.6
about opposition.
24:43.4
Kala, eto naman si Richard,
24:47.7
nag-feeling magaling.
24:50.8
opposition leaders
24:52.0
like Alexei Navalny.
24:54.2
people who risk it all.
24:55.1
That's why I have a lot
24:55.6
of respect for Laila Dalima,
24:56.8
by the way, right?
24:57.8
Because she also risked it all,
24:59.7
She had options like that.
25:01.9
kung ganyan ang standard ko.
25:02.8
Am I being unreasonable,
25:04.5
And then I'll go to Mark
25:05.6
because I want to also
25:06.8
understand how Mark
25:09.4
you're not the typical guy
25:11.2
like Alexei Navalny
25:12.7
but as someone who understands
25:14.7
from opposition leaders,
25:15.6
I want to also get
25:16.1
your honest view on that.
25:17.2
Ikaw muna, Ronald.
25:20.9
meron tayong a few
25:22.0
or a couple of that.
25:24.2
nung bumalik si Ninoy
25:29.2
either makukulong siya
25:31.2
Yung worse ang nangyari.
25:35.6
nakapag-trigger siya
25:37.8
ng isang mass movement
25:48.5
on the same vein.
25:51.0
Sinabihan ko yan eh.
25:51.9
Nandun kami sa US
25:54.5
wag ka na muna bumalik
25:55.5
dahil yung presidente
26:02.8
halos sigurado ko
26:03.9
na ipapakulong ka niyan
26:10.6
kakalabas lang niya
26:17.3
umamin si Matobato
26:19.2
at saka si Lascañas
26:32.1
political capital
26:33.1
ay hindi pa talaga
26:35.2
dramatically tumaas,
26:40.3
Dahil kakakabay lang naman niya.
26:43.3
yun yung isang kaibahan.
26:44.6
Ganun din si Navalny,
26:49.0
Napaka-symbol talaga
26:54.4
popular pa rin si Putin,
26:56.9
Especially because on the war of Ukraine,
26:59.6
On the war of Ukraine.
27:04.6
kung ako advisor ni Navalny,
27:06.7
i-advise ko siya na huwag bumalik.
27:09.9
buhay siya to fight another day.
27:12.0
Dahil si Putin talaga,
27:13.0
papatayin talaga siya niyan, eh.
27:15.1
Walang pakialam yan, eh.
27:17.3
Matanda si Putin,
27:18.5
we don't know how long.
27:20.4
Play the long game.
27:24.7
tinapon siya sa Arctic Circle.
27:28.6
talaga wala siyang pakialam,
27:33.9
Kaya makikita mo yung kanyang heroism.
27:37.5
kung ako yung advisor niya,
27:38.7
I would advise him,
27:41.0
to live to fight another day.
27:45.2
he's gonna be Ninoy.
27:46.2
Kasi if he stayed in Europe,
27:47.3
he'll just be one of many exiles
27:49.4
living a good life in,
27:53.3
I've seen so many,
27:54.8
like from Belarus,
27:58.5
kasi martir na siya ngayon, eh.
28:02.0
just to be clear,
28:02.7
he flew back to Germany
28:04.1
before the war on Ukraine.
28:06.2
many suspect the reason why
28:07.6
Putin invaded Ukraine is,
28:09.0
he wanted to make himself hero.
28:10.6
Because na-realize na,
28:11.6
nalalaos na siya.
28:13.2
the people are already looking
28:14.0
towards the future.
28:15.1
I completely see,
28:16.7
it would have made sense,
28:17.9
he'll stay abroad,
28:19.0
rally against Putin,
28:20.8
which he could do.
28:21.4
He's a very healthy,
28:23.6
Putin is quite aged,
28:24.6
and we don't know really
28:29.5
Rizal's martyrdom,
28:30.7
made his impact even greater.
28:32.9
I'm not saying it's a good thing.
28:36.1
I doubt if he will be
28:41.6
hindi ko nakikita na siya
28:43.5
It will be a combination
28:45.3
of different factors.
28:47.2
A defeat in Ukraine,
28:49.6
pagdami ng casualties
28:57.3
It could be a combination.
29:02.5
Pero four years yun eh,
29:03.9
From Nino in 1982,
29:09.2
Where do you call it?
29:11.0
Pero nagbago yung landscape,
29:15.4
yung mga hindi sumasama sa rally,
29:20.6
yung snap election.
29:28.2
Yun yung nangyayari eh.
29:33.5
tingin ko yung objective conditions,
29:43.3
kay Navalny na nangyayari.
29:44.5
Pero paano ko din naman?
29:46.6
Interested din ako
29:47.3
dun sa nangyayari sa kanila dun.
29:49.4
yun dun sa sinabi mo na
29:50.9
kinocompare yung opposition.
29:52.7
Parang medyo ano,
29:53.4
parang hindi naman siya,
29:54.8
mahirap siyang ibangga
29:56.4
kasi iba naman yung sitwasyon natin.
30:00.7
as what's happening
30:02.4
dun dito sa politika natin,
30:04.4
we can still elect
30:05.1
a different president
30:07.5
Nando pa rin naman tayo.
30:10.6
nagre-reklamo kay Duterte,
30:13.4
Nakita mo naman ngayon,
30:14.8
The moment na he stepped down
30:20.0
sa mga ginawa niya,
30:23.6
itong nangyayari sa Russia,
30:26.7
mas comparable nga
30:27.5
dun sa nangyayari sa atin
30:30.7
nung panahon ng Marshall,
30:32.8
tinitingnan ko yung ano,
30:33.6
pinafollow ko yung mga
30:34.7
nagsasalita dito,
30:36.9
naretweet ko itong isa,
30:43.5
threatening Putin,
30:46.3
parang maging Russian
30:48.3
itong asawa ni Navalny,
30:49.9
tapos nakikita ko itong,
30:56.4
na nagpapa-interview
31:01.7
yung mga reklamo nga
31:06.7
dahil dyan sa war
31:07.8
na para saan yan,
31:12.7
na wala na yung mga,
31:15.0
baka nga it would take
31:16.5
pero maaring maging
31:19.2
mas ma-appreciate mo
31:21.2
kapag inalis na talaga
31:27.0
they look down on
31:28.3
what happened sa EDSA,
31:30.7
para for them to,
31:33.9
noong time na yun,
31:35.3
you only appreciate
31:36.5
something when it's gone.
31:38.7
ang sinasabi nung mga,
31:40.9
nung panahon ni Duterte,
31:42.6
pag sinisiraan nila yung,
31:45.4
yung martial law,
31:46.1
yung martial law naman,
31:47.8
pangit lang kapag
31:48.7
kaaway ka ng gobyerno.
31:50.9
Ang nakakatawa ngayon,
31:53.1
sila ngayon yung kaaway
31:59.5
maybe it's a learning,
32:01.1
ma-intindihan nila yung kung anong,
32:04.2
hindi mo matutunan minsan
32:05.6
ang katinang nangyayari sa'yo eh,
32:07.8
tapos sinasabi na,
32:09.3
pangit lang yan kapag
32:10.7
nagre-reklamo ka sa gobyerno,
32:12.7
kapag inaaway mo yung gobyerno,
32:15.2
sinong umaaway ngayon sa gobyerno?
32:16.9
Yung grupo ngayon nila,
32:21.5
you need to experience,
32:27.9
we don't learn from
32:30.3
our previous mistakes,
32:31.9
hindi mo na-experience,
32:33.2
hindi mo na-appreciate
32:35.3
na ano natin ngayon,
32:37.6
as bad as Duterte
32:40.2
for the opposition,
32:42.3
they could still vote him out of power,
32:44.8
they could still ano,
32:47.8
I agree with you,
32:48.6
but let's not forget,
32:49.9
there was a good chance na,
32:51.3
if nag-agree yung mga military
32:53.9
this is where I agree with Trillianes,
32:55.7
there was a very,
32:56.9
medyo alanganin tayo,
32:58.5
if nag-o yung military
32:59.7
sa martial law and all of that,
33:00.9
tapos nang usapan,
33:01.8
and I don't think Duterte
33:02.7
willingly stepped down
33:05.1
he had plans of putting
33:07.3
or at least Sara there,
33:08.4
yung pumalpak lang siya,
33:09.4
so he was just not competent enough
33:10.7
to be a dictator,
33:13.0
there was no real chance,
33:14.6
pero last points,
33:23.2
magka-alyado ngayon,
33:37.3
sa Central Committee
33:38.7
ng Communist Party of China,
33:40.6
was very revealing.
33:43.9
the Russian government,
33:45.6
the entire government,
33:51.0
these are nihilist,
33:54.4
they don't believe in anything,
33:56.0
they're just cynics for power.
33:57.9
yun yung kaibahan eh.
34:01.4
marami tayong mga trapo,
34:03.4
meron tayong mga authoritarian tendencies,
34:08.7
these are KGB officers eh,
34:12.6
wala yung ideology,
34:15.1
these are talagang
34:21.5
it took an ideologue,
34:25.3
for all our criticism sa kanya,
34:30.3
that these are nihilist,
34:33.2
don't have an iota
34:40.1
kabado rin siya sa Russia eh,
34:42.2
Ngayon lang kasi,
34:43.8
kinakailangan nila magsama.
34:47.7
yan yung binalikan ni Navalny
34:51.3
Yan yung binalikan ni Navalny
34:54.5
na hindi magdadalawang isip
35:00.0
dun mo makukumpara
35:01.7
yung sitwasyon sa Russia
35:03.2
at saka yung heroism
35:07.1
Because he was not nihilist.
35:08.8
He really believed in something.
35:10.7
that's where his martyrdom
35:16.9
this is a guy who was reading
35:23.0
yung state of mind niya.
35:25.3
pero bago tayo umalis,
35:26.7
bago tayo magputol,
35:29.8
gusto ko na ipaalala,
35:31.4
today is the anniversary
35:36.8
yan yung panahon ngayon.
35:39.1
At yung Gumbursa,
35:42.5
yan yung nag-trigger
35:44.1
nung unang student movement
35:48.1
Yan yung nag-trigger
35:50.1
ng mga revolusionaries.
35:51.9
At least yung ilustrado.
35:53.4
Yung propaganda movement.
35:54.6
Yan yung naganak.
35:55.2
Sana magkaroon din
36:01.2
Against all odds.
36:03.0
Some closing remarks?
36:11.3
I wish for the best
36:13.0
dun sa sitwasyon sa Rasya
36:15.7
we can only watch eh.
36:18.3
It's still up to the people
36:20.9
kung ano ang pwede nilang gawin
36:23.7
para ayusin yung,
36:26.7
a form of justice
36:32.5
kind of comparison
36:34.1
yung observation mo.
36:35.6
Maybe may koryakin
36:36.7
na rin silang version.
36:38.4
situation is very different
36:40.4
sometimes history,
36:41.4
it doesn't repeat
36:43.0
As Mark Twain puts it.
36:44.0
So, yun po yung context.
36:45.3
Thank you so much
36:46.0
to my two favorite co-hosts.
36:51.3
thank you for joining us
36:53.1
thank you also for,
36:54.0
for a really comprehensive
36:55.5
discussion today.
36:57.2
shut down na lahat
36:59.2
We outrun technology,
37:01.7
Have a blessed weekend
37:03.3
with your loved ones
37:04.1
and have a good one.
37:05.4
God bless and pasensya na
37:06.7
kung napatagal din tayo guys.
37:08.3
Salamat din Sir Ronald
37:10.8
Talk to you soon.
