00:48.9
Na nangyara sa kampo ng mga DDS
00:50.9
And it also tells you something about anong basa ng mga big political actors
00:55.3
Or how big political actors or leading political actors
00:57.9
Are responding dito sa issue na yan, alright?
01:01.8
Pag-usapan natin yan mga kameta
01:03.2
And then of course, balikan din natin itong warning ni Sen. Rizon Tiveros
01:08.2
Very, very stark warning na talagang
01:10.2
Kung hindi ito magpakita kahit may sapina na ibang usapan na yan
01:15.4
Inulit ni Sen. Rizon Tiveros some of the stark accusations
01:21.3
Laban dito sa person of interest na yan
01:24.3
Itong religious group na yan
01:26.1
Itong self-anointed
01:27.9
My God, I cannot even say it because for me, blasphemous yan, diba?
01:32.5
Grabe, I don't know how we allow people to get away with
01:35.6
Especially for dun sa mga kababayan natin na malakas yung kanilang pananampalataya
01:43.8
I don't know how we allow certain people to get away with extremely blasphemous kind of self-appointed titles and all of that
01:50.9
Not to mention mga kameta, of course, itong mga
01:53.6
My goodness, meron pa tayong situation na wow, siya pa ang victim
01:58.4
Kaapon pinag-usapan natin, guys, yan in great detail
02:02.1
Pinag-usapan natin ang pagiging Karen
02:07.3
And how to deal with the Karens of this world
02:11.8
Although, of course, may debate pa rin na paano natin tawagin yung mga Karen na lalaki
02:18.5
Meron akong nakitang bagong suggestion kasi nag-comment ako dun sa isang video ng mga Karen dyan sa Karen-fornia
02:27.7
Diyan sa California, ang dami mga Karens dun
02:30.7
Sa awayo ng mga Karen yun
02:32.0
So nag-comment na ako ng Karen
02:33.9
May mga sumasagot na pangalan nila Karen
02:36.6
Tapos, syempre, nagsa-sarcastic sila
02:40.0
Alam naman nila saan tayo galing
02:42.1
Anong hugot natin sa mga Karen
02:45.2
Pero eto, nag-suggest yung isang Karen sa akin na
02:48.4
Ano yan, dapat tawagin sa mga lalaki ng Karen ay Darren
02:51.8
Tapos, oh nga, napaisip ako, pwede rin pala yan eh
02:55.4
Pero kasi gusto ko, guys
02:57.7
K rin yung start eh
02:58.8
Malakas kasing dati yung pag-K ang start
03:01.9
Huwag Ken kasi Ken and Barb yan, diba?
03:05.2
Kevin or sige, Darren
03:06.9
Para lang hindi ma-hurt yung mga Kevin
03:08.9
Kasi mas konti hatang kilala kong pangalan na
03:15.6
So baka, yan na lang, safe option natin
03:19.0
So guys, whether eto ay Darren, Karen, Kevin, or Ken, guys
03:24.4
Eto talaga, dapat di tayo magpapaano
03:27.7
Kasi lalo yung mga ayan, guys
03:29.4
Ito yung mga Karen, Darren na yan
03:31.4
Sabi nga ni, ano yung expression na sinabi ni Dr. Leloy Claudio
03:37.0
Ayaw magpahuli ng buhay, diba?
03:39.1
Well, in this case, mukhang literal yan
03:41.2
Because, actually, ang claim na etong person of interest na yan is
03:44.5
Hindi niya siya nagpapakita ng kanyang physiognomy
03:48.6
Of course, kasi special siya
03:51.0
But the other thing is, sinasabi din niya na
03:54.0
Nasa panganib ang kanyang buhay daw
03:57.7
Dahil dito sa pangyayari
04:01.1
Kasi parang may witch hunt daw na nangyayari
04:03.2
And of course, pag-usapan din natin yung sinasabi ni Sarah Duterte
04:06.9
Kasi parang naman kay Sarah, isa pa yan
04:09.3
Sila pa ang victim
04:11.0
Ang interesting nila kay Sarah, pag-usapan natin later on very quickly
04:14.1
Is this, pag nag-video siya na, ano yung prepared na video
04:17.4
Sobrang maamo, sobrang mabait
04:20.6
Sobrang, ano, diba?
04:22.7
Which is very, very different
04:24.0
Dun sa imahe natin, diba?
04:26.6
Sa mga Dutertes, especially Sarah Duterte
04:29.0
I mean, let's be honest, guys
04:30.2
When I say Sarah Duterte, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?
04:33.3
Or, to put it more accurately
04:35.0
What was the first memory you had of Sarah Duterte?
04:37.9
Like, when you get to know about the existence of these people in our political landscape
04:41.3
Even, I mean, I'm not saying anything
04:43.4
I'm just being honest
04:44.4
Like, the first time I heard about these people
04:46.3
Right, people talaga
04:48.8
Hindi, yung nanapak-napak
04:51.6
Sinapak-sapak na yung fiskal, diba?
04:53.8
Dun sa, sa nangyaring
04:56.6
Damolisyon dyan sa Davao
04:57.9
This is more than 10 years ago, diba?
04:59.9
Nasa TV Patrol, all over the place
05:02.6
Back in the day, yung time na
05:04.1
Mainstream media was still the main source of information
05:07.2
Now, interesting, actually, guys
05:08.5
Kaya, kind of segue lang tayo
05:12.2
Check the book of Patricia Vangelista
05:14.8
Especially the chapter when she discusses this episode
05:17.5
Because yung book ni Patricia Vangelista
05:19.7
It does a very, very good job
05:22.4
Of analyzing the roots of Dutertismo
05:24.9
And Duterte approach
05:29.3
I'm talking about the original DDS
05:31.7
Not yung diehard Duterte supporters
05:33.5
And one of the things it does is
05:36.1
May part dyan na in-interview ni Patricia Vangelista
05:41.8
Or someone from Rappler interviewed her
05:43.7
And ayon kay Sara, actually
05:45.9
She was, I mean, this is in the book
05:48.2
You can check it yourself
05:49.2
Ayon kay Sara, she was actually not very happy with that episode
05:53.4
Para sa kanya, better sana na
05:55.7
Hindi siya nakilala
05:58.5
If not sa buong mundo
05:59.8
Because of that episode
06:03.3
I think what Patricia was trying to say is
06:06.1
Because of the machismo
06:09.7
Kind of political expectation sometimes
06:11.7
May mga liderato tayo na kababahiyan
06:15.2
Na minsan parang napipilitan sila na mag
06:17.0
For the lack of better term
06:20.1
Na may pressure sa kanila to be matapang
06:22.3
Especially kung tatay may sidigong
06:24.3
Kung sanay ng mga tao
06:26.4
Sa ganong klaseng politiko
06:27.8
In fairness, I should say I'm fair
06:30.9
So I don't want to jump into
06:34.3
You know, kind of
06:36.0
Stereotypes and all of that
06:37.9
But in turn, I found that interesting
06:39.7
Because I did not see
06:41.7
Any quotes or interviews along those lines
06:44.7
Kung saan si Sara Duterte
06:45.9
Nag-express ng somehow regret
06:47.7
About yung episode na yan
06:49.0
In terms of not reflecting well on her
06:52.5
At dun sa mga kasama natin mga komentoers
06:56.4
Na natin na are from Davao
06:57.9
Or familiar with Davao
06:59.0
Of course, alam nyo naman yung panahon na
07:00.4
Actually si Sara yung mayor
07:01.6
At si Digong yung vice mayor
07:04.8
At basta sa alam ko
07:05.9
Nakausap natin yung mga kaibigan natin sa Davao
07:08.4
Kasi you know, I've given talks in Davao
07:09.8
Marami akong kaibigan dyan na
07:11.0
Throughout the years
07:12.3
Well, kaibigan ko sila
07:14.0
Hopefully kaibigan din
07:15.3
May may nagbiro nga si Richard daw
07:18.1
Ang sabi nyo sa akin si Richard
07:19.6
Ikaw ay isang public frenemy number one sa Davao
07:22.9
In fairness, ang ganda ng experience ko yun sa Davao kami
07:26.9
Napaka-respetable yung mga kaibigan natin sa Davao
07:31.1
So I really had a fantastic time there
07:32.7
But, of course, hindi ako magtataka
07:34.9
Kung may mga tao na hindi natutuwa
07:36.6
Dun sa mga sinasabi natin
07:39.5
Just to be honest about it
07:41.0
Of course, some people have
07:42.4
Inauna yung kanilang mga political beliefs
07:46.5
Rather than factual analysis
07:49.3
Maraming din sa ating mga kababayan na
07:51.4
Not necessarily sangayon sa sinasabi natin
07:55.3
Ay actually mas malapit
07:56.4
Ang kanilang puso sa mga Duterte
07:58.4
Pero na-appreciate din nila saan tayo galing
08:04.4
Balikan natin ito
08:10.4
O yan, na-mention na natin siya
08:12.4
Actually, sabi niya
08:13.4
Dahil nanganganib ang buhay ko
08:14.4
Ay hindi po muna ninyo makikita ang aking pagmamuka
08:20.4
Munang boses ang inyong maririnig
08:22.4
O, ito yung quote po dyan
08:23.4
Talagang si Kuya, no?
08:26.4
Kasi ano daw, diba?
08:28.4
So, parang labas pa ngayon
08:29.4
Sila pa yung threatened
08:31.4
Ang labas pa, parang sila pang
08:33.4
Victima ngayon, diba?
08:34.4
So, kaya nga sabi ko
08:37.4
Pag di ko mahanap yung video
08:39.4
Nung kanyang 35 minutes talk yata yung isang araw
08:42.4
Kung saan nag-respond siya dito sa mga
08:46.4
Sa mga accusations of abuse, assault, sexual assault
08:50.4
And of course, kung maalala niyo
08:53.4
Kaya nga ang dami natin sinabi about Darren and all of us here
08:54.4
Kaya nga ang dami natin sinabi about Darren and all of us here
08:55.4
Kaya nga ang dami natin sinabi about Darren and all of us here
08:58.4
Bakit lumalabas si Christopher Min dito?
09:03.4
Masa pa yan, Christopher Min
09:04.4
Masa pa yung Christopher Min
09:07.4
Hindi, ito ito ito
09:10.4
Inanaw na naman tayo
09:11.4
Nagluloko na naman tayo
09:12.4
Hindi, nawala nga ay talagang Christopher Min yung nandyan
09:17.4
Anong native nyo kay Christopher Min
09:20.4
Anong native kasi kay Christopher Min
09:25.4
So maalala nyo yung pinag-usapan natin kapon yan na parang pinapalabas pa niya na siya pa ang victim, na pinag-aawayan siya ng mga babae daw.
09:34.6
Kasi syempre alam mo naman, siya po ay isang anointed, self-anointed, ganito na ganyan na mundo.
09:41.7
So pinag-aawayan daw siya ng mga babae at ginagamit daw siya ng mga babae for, I don't know, lack of a better term, upward social mobility.
09:48.8
Now again as I said, that's quite a reversal, quite a questionable reversal.
09:53.6
Marami sa atin na nakinig dun sa mga hearings, mga others.
09:58.7
At the very least, of course, ang position natin is unless this is proven in court beyond reasonable doubt, we'll still describe this as allegations.
10:10.3
Pero huwag niya kalimutan guys, pagdating sa US Embassy, pagdating sa FBI, pagdating sa mga otoridad dito sa Amerika,
10:17.6
para sa kanila, there is preponderance of evidence na nag-engage sa systematic violation of human rights
10:23.5
and exploited practices, itong person of interest na yan.
10:26.7
Kaya nga si Kibuloy, actually, sinabi niya, isa sa mga kanyang concern is not extradition sa Amerika,
10:33.8
meaning Philippine authorities coming in and according to due process, arresting him and then handing him over to the authorities in the United States
10:42.6
in accordance dun sa mga provisions of an extradition treaty sa pagitan ng Pilipinas and ng Estados Unidos.
10:50.2
No, ang sabi niya, baka mangyari sa kanya is yung parang extraordinary.
10:53.5
Meron rendition kung saan dadamputin siya at dadanin siya sa Amerika for cases.
10:59.5
Diyos ko, parang biglang nalala ko yung mga sa Guantanamo discussion.
11:05.5
Di ba nalala niya yung global war on terror? Maraming mga tao daw ay na extraordinary rendition all around the world.
11:12.4
Dinala sa Amerika or dinala sa Guantanamo for...
11:15.4
But anyway, I don't know kung may basihan yung sinasabi niya.
11:18.0
I think as far as the US is concerned, they want to handle this in the most, let's say,
11:23.5
sensible way and the most sensible way is dadanin ito sa mga otoridad dyan sa Pilipinas.
11:30.0
Which of course raises, again, bigger questions about the state of affairs.
11:34.2
Kaya nga sabi ko, mahalaga yung sasabihin ng mga malalaking political figures in the country.
11:39.4
Including, of course, Sarah Duterte.
11:41.5
Now, speaking of Sarah Duterte, I said kanina nga,
11:44.4
Sarah Duterte now, I think, is trying to project this image of kind of a motherly, cool, calm, collected kind of leader.
11:53.5
Kaya ako, I pay very close attention dun sa kanyang mga speeches, sa kanyang interventions,
11:59.0
the timing, the cadence, the core message, among others.
12:03.6
So ang nilalabas talaga dito ng mga, ng Duterte camp is this kibuloy saga is being exploited by certain people
12:13.5
who want to take her out as the frontrunner for 2028 election.
12:17.7
So yun yung angle na binibigay ni Sarah Duterte dito sa, you know, essentially,
12:23.2
everyone piling on these issues.
12:25.4
Now, speaking of everyone piling on, I mean, again, as I've always said,
12:29.7
kudus to Senator Rizonti-Verez for really taking the lead on this.
12:33.9
And it looks like, finally, we are at a situation whereby sumasama na yung mga ibang liderato.
12:40.2
Especially leaders, not only sa Senado, who are in charge of overseeing as opina,
12:46.3
para may legal enforcement talaga ng itong hearings na ito, na dapat nagpakita itong tao na ito.
12:51.5
But we're seeing also in the Philippine House.
12:53.2
The Philippine House of Representatives, which is not necessarily known as the bastion of fiscalization of abuses and all,
12:59.7
to be honest about it, also coming in and saying na nasusuporta nila.
13:04.3
In fairness naman, there are many sincere folks, including si Congressman Adyong and mga others,
13:10.1
who have also emphasized the need for enforcement of any kind of, you know,
13:15.0
magpakita talaga itong tao na ito.
13:16.8
Dapat may sapina talaga.
13:18.1
Dapat may respeto dito sa mga powers of the legislature.
13:23.2
For summoning people, for questioning people on matters of interest to legislation,
13:29.9
and matters of interest to the mandato, dun sa mandato ng legislatura.
13:33.7
Now, anyway, balikan natin ito.
13:36.9
I just find this interesting.
13:38.6
Kasi guys, hindi na...
13:40.0
So, immediately, ang entry talaga ni Sarah Duterte dito is yung context ng 2020 election.
13:51.3
So, immediately, I'm framing nila.
13:53.2
Dito is, this is about all politics.
13:56.6
So, parang kina-question ang interes, ang intensyon ng, at least some people,
14:02.5
hindi pinangalanan si Risa dito, but ang nilalabas dito is,
14:07.3
a lot of this is about politics, mud-slinging, partisan kind of interest.
14:12.2
Marahil, sapagkat ang vicepresidente ang tumatay sa isaya ng Pilipinas,
14:17.4
naging kagawian na ang pag-atake at pagbato ng sari-saring issue laban sa vicepresidente.
14:23.2
Marahil, sapagkat ang vicepresidente ang tumatay yung pangunahing hadlang sa mga nangangarap maging Pangulo.
14:31.9
Hindi ko ikakagulat kung dumami pa ang mga kaso, investigasyon, testigo paratang atake at paninira laban sa akin sa mga susunod na araw, linggo, buwan, at mga taon.
14:45.7
Naniniwala ako na may tamang panahon para sa lahat.
14:50.6
Panahon ngayon ng aking pagtatrabaho.
14:53.2
Tutuparin ko at paninira laban sa akin sa mga susunod na araw, linggo, buwan, at mga taon.
15:03.6
Naniniwala ako na may tamang panahon para sa lahat.
15:08.5
Panahon ngayon ng aking pagtatrabaho.
15:12.2
Tutuparin ko ang sinumpaang tungkulin.
15:15.8
Uunahin ko ang mga tunay na sulanin.
15:20.6
Essentially, ang framing dito is,
15:23.2
ang focus ko dito ay aking trabaho, aking mandato bilang vice-presidente.
15:28.2
Although I found it quite interesting na sinasabi niya,
15:30.6
like the vice-president is kind of like the protective layer
15:35.5
dun sa mga tao na may mischievous intent or who are eyeing greedily yung office of the president.
15:44.9
Last time I checked, actually the vice-president is the one who will automatically move up
15:50.2
if just in case things don't work out for the president.
15:53.2
But anyways, I just found that phrasing quite interesting.
15:56.0
I'm not questioning the intention of the vice-president.
15:58.4
I'm not saying anything.
15:58.9
I'm just saying I just found that kind of argument kind of strange
16:02.8
because if there's one person who has an interest,
16:06.1
I mean, if there's one person who will move up immediately is the vice-president.
16:11.9
Mamaya pa yung senate president, speaker of the house, etc.
16:15.5
base sa ating saligang batas.
16:17.3
Now, obviously, let's discuss very quickly.
16:21.3
Anong konteksto na itong intervention?
16:23.2
So, clearly, may kita niyo dito sa intervention ni Sara Duterte
16:29.2
na sinasabi niya na focus lang siya sa kanyang trabaho.
16:34.5
Ayaw niya makisali dito sa mga drama-drama, politika na marami dyan.
16:40.8
Kinagamit lang nila itong kibuloy saga to try to score points against her.
16:45.8
There are many people there who are trying to position for the 2020 elections.
16:50.0
I mean, I don't know.
16:53.2
sino ba itong mga ito na nagpo-position for 2020 elections?
16:57.6
last time I checked,
16:59.3
the one who's leading in the surveys right now na hindi pinapublish for some reason,
17:03.3
I actually see si Rafi Tulfo.
17:06.0
And last time I checked,
17:06.7
andiyan ba si Rafi Tulfo dun sa mga hearings ni Risa?
17:12.0
And I haven't heard much from Rafi Tulfo when it comes to this issue.
17:15.3
I mean, at least not as much for us to think nang nangyari dito is parang
17:23.2
nakikikaren siya or nakikisal siya.
17:28.0
Because there are also a lot of people that are commenting here who have no interest whatsoever in 2020 elections
17:32.0
or they're not even in a position to think about the 2020 elections at this point in time.
17:39.0
obviously, when it comes to the Duterte-Kibuloy issue,
17:41.7
one angle is the more direct angle.
17:45.0
Because dun sa mga nagtestigo laban kay Kibuloy,
17:48.6
isa sa mga sinasabi nila is,
17:51.0
so ito yung statement ni Sarah,
17:53.9
isa sa sinasabi ng mga tao dun sa hearings is that
17:57.7
si Kibuloy daw nagbibigay ng barel daw or something like that dito sa mga Duterte, etc.
18:02.8
So, pag-usapan natin ng shortly yan, no?
18:07.4
Ito yung mga accusations, no?
18:13.6
I'm just trying to...
18:17.2
Duterte's statement comes after a former member of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ,
18:22.6
ito yung ano ni Kibuloy,
18:25.2
sinabi niya sa Senado nung Monday na Duterte received guns, daw, from Kibuloy
18:28.8
when she was still mayor, daw, of Davao
18:30.6
dun sa Senate Committee on Women, Children, and Gender Equality
18:33.5
overseen by the Deputy Minority Leader.
18:36.6
I mean, I find the Deputy Minority Leader position quite strange
18:40.3
because dalawa na nga lang silang opposition,
18:43.0
isa na nga lang na genuine opposition ginawa pang Deputy Minority Leader.
18:47.1
held its second hearing dun sa alleged abuses committed by this person of interest at yung kanyang simbata.
18:52.7
Habi lang na roon na,
19:01.4
pumisita daw sila dun sa bahay ng compound na itong person of interest
19:05.6
dun sa Glory Mountain
19:08.0
kung saan kumukuan daw sila ng bags of guns.
19:11.5
So, yun po yung accusation na ni-level
19:13.8
ng itong alias Rene
19:15.9
who also of course talk about among others
19:18.2
itong mga exploitative practices,
19:19.9
extremely exploitative practices
19:22.6
And even sexual abuses, among others, including against people who are male, right? Biologically male.
19:29.8
So, yeah. So, yun po yung tinitingnan natin dito.
19:35.1
So, Rene said he worked as a landscaper dun kay Kibuloy and was physically abused daw, sabi niya.
19:39.9
He also testified to being forced by the church to beg for alms on the street, after which he would fork over the money to them.
19:45.5
He said na daily quota daw ni Lais, 3,000 pesos.
19:49.4
Wow! 3,000 pesos. San ka kuha?
19:52.6
3,000 pesos. Wow!
19:55.2
Sabi niya, he was forced to work as a researcher for television network for SM&I din daw without pay.
20:00.1
At times daw, Kibuloy would allegedly give them allowances of 200 pesos to 300 pesos lang.
20:05.9
At si former president naman dun sa Biklisyo 9SMA called Kikan Samasa para sa mas...
20:10.0
Of course, ito nga sabi niya, may show talaga si Digong there.
20:13.4
So, that tells you about the level of closeness between these two sides, no?
20:20.2
Once again lang guys, eh. Wala mag-reply dito.
20:52.6
Okay. Anyway, so, the first thing is there's this line of accusation from Elias Rinne na things have been exchanged, you know, the level of guns and all of that.
21:06.8
Kaya itong response ni Sara Duterte.
21:10.5
But aside from dito sa bags of gun accusations, allegations ng mga yung mga nag-expose at mga former members ng church na yan,
21:22.6
the thing is, of course, it's also the political branding, diba?
21:27.0
Pag tinignan mo yung Davao politics, essentially, of course, there's the Nograleses, among others.
21:33.4
But, you know, hindi sila yung impositions of power over the past decade or so.
21:38.3
I remember back in the day, yung si Senior Nograles was the Speaker of the House.
21:43.4
I think panaw ni Aroyon, diba?
21:45.7
There was a time that we think the Nograleses are the up-upward trajectory.
21:50.6
But the reality is that what we're seeing right now,
21:52.6
is that essentially this duo of Digong and Kiboloy have been the dominant face and force as far as the Davao politics is concerned.
22:03.2
And then may aspeto din dyan na si, ang pangalan niya, si Pantalion Alvarez.
22:09.9
Ay nandun din sa eksena na yan to a certain degree.
22:12.5
But really this duo, right?
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So if you look at their branding, and you look at their institutional ties, their personal ties,
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if you look at itong ginagawa ng SMA,
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SMNI, so in a way, they're political twins.
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They kind of come in packages, especially the former president.
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Ibang usapan niya si Sara, but if you look at the former president, he has a show dito sa SMNI.
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Dikan sa masa para sa masa.
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Of course, as far as most people are concerned, if you look at dito sa SMNI na yan,
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it's kind of seen as like, you know, kung mga kung Fox News ay ito ay,
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if the accusation is that the Fox News in the U.S. is essentially the propaganda arm of the Republican Party,
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or Trump to a certain degree, of course the accusation in the Philippines,
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at least from the critics of the SMNI po, has been fulfilling that role in behalf of Digong,
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or at least a mindset or mentality or ideology na similar dun sa pag-iisip at paradigms ni Digong.
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Kasi kung titignan niyo yung mga interventions, not only of Kiboloy, but a lot of people who worked there,
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a lot of them actually were there.
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There, during the Duterte administration, at least one of them was the presidential spokesman of Digong.
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If you look at yung emphasis nila sa federalism, yung emphasis nila sa what critics would see as red-tagging
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or kind of demonization of people affiliated with the left,
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if you look at their stance on the war on drugs, if you look at their stance on America,
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if you look at their stance on China, among others, SMNI's essentially framing of issues is very similar to how Duterte,
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Rodrigo Duterte would do.
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So there's definitely that aspect of political entwinement between Kiboloy and Duterte.
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So there's not only this aspect of direct accusations of bags of guns,
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there's also this aspect of branding or kind of political entwinement between Kiboloy and Duterte.
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So that's why, kaya sabi ko, interesado ko parate to see how the Duterte camp will respond to this.
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So far, the response.
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We see immediately from Saad Duterte, wala akong kinalaman dyan, I'm above the fray,
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I'm just gonna focus on my job, huwag niyo ako idamay dun sa mga ewan niyo, wala akong kinalaman dyan,
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and I know yung mga iba, they're trying to drag me into this issue, they have their own political ambitions.
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Like what, Riza has political ambitions in 2028?
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I mean, sabi ko, hindi pa nga settled, sino yung leader of opposition.
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So, anyway, so that's the accusation being levied back at those who are accusing at least Saad Duterte.
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Let's see what Digong will say.
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Some of the other Duterte support to say, but I think on the third level, and this is the important thing.
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So the first thing is, itong direct accusations of bags of guns na sinistrike down immediately Saad Duterte
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because, you know, that has crazy implications.
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Second is this political entwinement branding this whole Kiboloy-Duterte kind of package,
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which we have been quite familiarized with, to put it mildly, over the past decade or so.
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Pero pangatlo, and importantly, as I said, mahirap na hiwala yan itong issue ni Kiboloy.
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From the other parallel issue, although quite different in nature and implication,
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of yung ISIS investigations against Digong.
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Because let's just be honest, if you look at it from a psychological and political standpoint,
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the person of interest in our discussion went from someone who was seen in many ways as untouchable.
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I mean, nakalala ko yung timing, billboard niya, nandyan sa ETSA, self-anointed son of, you know, my goodness, I mean, my lord, my god.
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I mean, I cannot even say it, di ba?
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Itong tao na to, meron silang...
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Media outlet, mga bayani na, you know, all over the place, doing very well actually online, in fairness, I'll tell you that.
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This is a person na...
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Di ba parang may back and forth pa with si Vice Ganda ba yan at some point in time?
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Di ba nagsasagutan sila ni Vice Ganda, no?
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So, I mean, this is a person seen as almost untouchable, right?
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For a very long time, not untouchable in a...
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You know, the kind of brahmin.
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Past system, but untouchable in terms of napakalakas niya.
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Don't even think about it.
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And the fact na Driesa Hontiveras, itong mga investigations na ginagawa sa Senate, I mean, my goodness, nasaan yung mga ibang senators, nasaan yung ibang figures.
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Tagal na na si Driesa lang, talaga nag-overseen ito.
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That tells you na almost there was this aura of invincibility.
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Aura of untouchability, no?
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Invincibility dito around sa person of interest na yan.
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And then now, suddenly, ang sinisabi ng tao na yan na he cannot even show his face sa videos among others because siguro matrack daw yung kanyang locations or...
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You know, who knows?
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You can think of many things.
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Bakit kaya ayaw mo makikita ng mga hanin sa video?
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So this person now is essentially, you know, nagtatago, diba?
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So that's quite something to go from invincibility to nagtatago.
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Totally trying to avoid the arm of the state or authorities or any kind of direct scrutiny or tracking down.
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This is quite something, you know?
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Go from invincibility and all of that and all of the aura of, you know, untouchability.
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To this, it's huge.
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It's a huge psychological and political shift.
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So I'm not saying it's exactly parallel case because the ICC case is much more complicated.
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It is not the FBI.
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It's not the United States.
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BBM, being BBM once again.
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Sa akin, no, hindi kami mag-cooperate sa ICC and all of that.
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But then again, mga kameta.
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You're talking about a former president who was also seen as invincible, who is now not seen as vulnerable necessarily,
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but also not so invincible, right?
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So I think that is where some people are going to be concerned na baka itong nangyayari kay Kibolay Neto is just a kind of a dry run, right?
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Or it will pave the way for also a massive move on the ICC front.
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Now again, katulad na pinag-usapan natin dun sa mga dating episodes and I think my good friend and co-host Ronaldo Llamas did a very good job.
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Sabi niya, iba yung FBI, iba yung ICC.
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Iba yung mga kaises na yan.
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I understand that.
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But there's also aspect of investigation, some sort of international judicial body or international law enforcement body
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trying to go after someone who's invincible and trying to go after someone who was part of the core power elite, no?
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So if the invincibility of Kibolay is something that is withering away, the question right now is,
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is the invincibility of Duterte going to be the next thing?
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As far as Sarah is concerned, she's distancing herself from that.
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Now the interesting thing is, as far as Reason Antivirus is concerned, tuloy-tuloy ang kanyang push dito para sa ustisya.
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Ang Embahada ng Amerika also released a statement talking about vowing justice, that walang takas dito sa ustisya.
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Kung ano ang drama dyan, hindi mag-uwork yan.
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Kahit anong Karen, Darren, Kevin, Ken ang mangyari dyan, hindi mag-uwork yan dahil meron na silang ebidensya.
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They have overwhelming evidence of abuses and all happening.
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At least ito yung sinasabi ng Amerika.
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Reason Antivirus is concerned, she also made it very clear.
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Actually there's another press conference at Reason Antivirus just the other day.
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Na grabe din na inulit itong mga softy accusations that were...
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I-deliver, isa-serve ng OSAA, ng Senate Security, kay Pastor Kiboloy sa Davao.
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Stronger than an invitation.
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Kailangan sundin niya, i-heed niya yung sabina.
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Complex yung mukha ng mga...
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...na nararanasan ng mga dating miyembro,
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dating scholars, dating ginagawang pulubi ni Kiboloy sa loob ng kingdom.
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Lumalabas yung mga aspeto ng paglabag sa karapatan ng bata,
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pagpipigil or pagneglet sa karapatan nilang makapag-aral,
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pagpupumilit sa kanilang magmalimos sa kalsada,
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...pagpupumilit din sa ibang mga miyembro nila maglimos
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na pag hindi nila ma-hit yung goal or quota nila,
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pinaparusahan sila ng physical punishment.
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Lumalabas na meron pa silang nalalamang mga dating kasama na,
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met me up, patay na.
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And by similar, if not identical, modus operandi,
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two bullets to the head.
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For violations na lumalabas, pinapatrabaho sila whether as nagmamalimos
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o as mga researcher o mga cameraman, pero walang sahod, walang benefits.
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At syempre, yung una na nating narinig sa unang pagdinig pa lang,
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yung pang-aabuso sa mga kababaihan at pati mga minor de edad.
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Rape, other forms of sexual abuse.
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At palawak ng palawak and I think palinaw ng palinaw yung larawan ng mga pang-aabuso sa loob ng hindang.
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At yun na naman, may nagko-comment dyan ng fabricated lahat naman yan.
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Sabi nga ni Bato, kung wala naman kayang ginawa, wala kayang dapat ikakatakot.
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Ganon kasimple lang naman, kung fabrication lahat mga ito,
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Kaya kung lahat naman ito ay gawa-gawa lang,
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kung isa pa yung victim na nag-feeling Joseph,
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my goodness, ito na naman yung mga almost blasphemous claims na yan,
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di okay, di disprove na yan.
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Pero ako naman, just to be fair, as I said,
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unless ito ay hindi proven sa courts, sa ating mga korte,
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beyond reasonable doubt, we'll still classify them,
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put them in the category of allegations.
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But as I said, there's also this aspect na pagdating sa FBI,
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at international authorities, para sa kanilang meron na yung preponderance of evidence.
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So it's not like galing lahat ito out of nowhere, right?
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So you're seeing evidence and testimonies and witnesses from all different sides
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coming together to make these kinds of allegations and all of that.
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But as I said, kung wala ka naman ginawang mali,
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dapat wala kang ikakatakot.
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Simple lang naman yung sinasabi natin dito, e, diba?
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Kasi yun din lang naman sinasabi nila nung panunan sila yung nasa power, right?
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So are they saying na walang rule of law sa Pilipinas?
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Are they saying na tiwala lang sila?
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Sa mga sistema natin, just when they're in position of power to themselves, right?
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So, I don't know.
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Well, we know actually the answer.
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This is a rhetorical, I don't know.
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But as I said, once again,
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this is also the moment when we see the mental of leadership of Rizal Antiveros.
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Kasi grabe, ang binabanggan ni Rizal Antiveros kaya na,
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hindi lang isa sa mga pinaka quote-unquote charismatic religious leaders from the South,
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from Mindanao, where there's a lot of resentment against progressive,
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liberals, there's a lot of resentment against Imperial Manila,
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there's a lot of support for Duterte and for Quiboloy, among others.
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Ang binabanggan din niya ay, in effect, indirectly, the vice president.
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A very powerful political dynasty.
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And in a way, as far as I know, Rizal is not on good terms with PBM, the current president.
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I mean, after all, unlike some dilawan and all of that,
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Rizal Antiveros has stood her ground, and she's through and through a progressive.
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And through and through sticking to her convictions.
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And nakita natin, from the Quion de los Santos case all the way to this case,
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nung nilabas yung case ni Quion de los Santos, na nagdala siya ng mga witnesses.
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Right? Let's talk about her track record.
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Nung time na nilabas niya yung mga witnesses, dun sa killing ni Quion de los Santos,
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dun sa nangyaring extrajudicial killing,
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nag-invento ba siya? Gawa-gawa lang ba yan?
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Last time we checked, actually, even during Digong's time, people were heard accountable.
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In court. In a court of law.
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Sa kalawakan niyan, diba?
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For the killing of Quion de los Santos.
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So, Rizal Antiveros has a very strong track record, alright,
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of coming up with witnesses, and going after cases of abuse,
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and coming out, not only vindicated by history, but vindicated by courts and evidence.
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But then again, as I said, right,
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if wala namang ginawang mali, dapat wala silang ikakatakot.
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At itong idea ng mga extraordinary rendition, I don't know about that.
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Medyo, baka stretch yan.
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Um, but then again, as I said, this is not only about Quiboloy.
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This is also about this bigger, bigger shift in our political landscape.
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This is about the Dutertes, and that's why you see this kind of intervention by Sara.
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But as I said, what I found very interesting with Sara Duterte is,
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is that ang nilalabas na dito is parang siya yung, di ba, parang above the fray political figure,
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which is quite something different from what we know,
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uh, from dun sa kanyang, uh, positioning and projection and all of that back in the day.
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On that note, thank you very much, mga kameta.
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Balikan natin itong issue na taas.
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More and more updates come in.
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Have a good, blessed evening and good morning naman dun sa mga, nasa time zone natin.
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On that note, thank you very much.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
