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Alright, kamusta kayo dyan mga kameta?

Good morning, good evening, depende kung saan kayo sa mundo

Ayan, early morning naman medyo dito

So bago tayo habol sa mga trabaho at mga engagements natin

Sabi ko mag, ano lang tayo dyan

Konting update lang tayo because

Ang hindi natin na cover kahapon dito sa Kibuloy saga

Was yung response ni Sara Duterte

Which I think is important because it tells you about yung mga conversations

Na nangyara sa kampo ng mga DDS

And it also tells you something about anong basa ng mga big political actors

Or how big political actors or leading political actors

Are responding dito sa issue na yan, alright?

Pag-usapan natin yan mga kameta

And then of course, balikan din natin itong warning ni Sen. Rizon Tiveros

Very, very stark warning na talagang

Kung hindi ito magpakita kahit may sapina na ibang usapan na yan

Grabe na yan

Inulit ni Sen. Rizon Tiveros some of the stark accusations

Laban dito sa person of interest na yan

Itong religious group na yan

Itong self-anointed

My God, I cannot even say it because for me, blasphemous yan, diba?

Grabe, I don't know how we allow people to get away with

Especially for dun sa mga kababayan natin na malakas yung kanilang pananampalataya

I don't know how we allow certain people to get away with extremely blasphemous kind of self-appointed titles and all of that

Not to mention mga kameta, of course, itong mga

My goodness, meron pa tayong situation na wow, siya pa ang victim

Diba?

Kaapon pinag-usapan natin, guys, yan in great detail

Pinag-usapan natin ang pagiging Karen

And how to deal with the Karens of this world

Although, of course, may debate pa rin na paano natin tawagin yung mga Karen na lalaki

Kevin, Ken

Meron akong nakitang bagong suggestion kasi nag-comment ako dun sa isang video ng mga Karen dyan sa Karen-fornia

Yan?

Diyan sa California, ang dami mga Karens dun

Sa awayo ng mga Karen yun

So nag-comment na ako ng Karen

May mga sumasagot na pangalan nila Karen

Tapos, syempre, nagsa-sarcastic sila

Alam naman nila saan tayo galing

Anong hugot natin sa mga Karen

Pero eto, nag-suggest yung isang Karen sa akin na

Ano yan, dapat tawagin sa mga lalaki ng Karen ay Darren

Tapos, oh nga, napaisip ako, pwede rin pala yan eh

Pero kasi gusto ko, guys

K rin yung start eh

Malakas kasing dati yung pag-K ang start

Parang Kevin

Huwag Ken kasi Ken and Barb yan, diba?

Kevin or sige, Darren

Para lang hindi ma-hurt yung mga Kevin

Kasi mas konti hatang kilala kong pangalan na

Na Darren

Kaysa Kevin

So baka, yan na lang, safe option natin

So guys, whether eto ay Darren, Karen, Kevin, or Ken, guys

Eto talaga, dapat di tayo magpapaano

Ayan

Kasi lalo yung mga ayan, guys

Ito yung mga Karen, Darren na yan

Sabi nga ni, ano yung expression na sinabi ni Dr. Leloy Claudio

Ayaw magpahuli ng buhay, diba?

Well, in this case, mukhang literal yan

Because, actually, ang claim na etong person of interest na yan is

Hindi niya siya nagpapakita ng kanyang physiognomy

Of course, kasi special siya

But the other thing is, sinasabi din niya na

Nasa panganib ang kanyang buhay daw

Dahil dito sa pangyayari

Kasi parang may witch hunt daw na nangyayari

And of course, pag-usapan din natin yung sinasabi ni Sarah Duterte

Kasi parang naman kay Sarah, isa pa yan

Sila pa ang victim

Ang interesting nila kay Sarah, pag-usapan natin later on very quickly

Is this, pag nag-video siya na, ano yung prepared na video

Sobrang maamo, sobrang mabait

Sobrang, ano, diba?

Which is very, very different

Dun sa imahe natin, diba?

Sa mga Dutertes, especially Sarah Duterte

I mean, let's be honest, guys

When I say Sarah Duterte, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

Or, to put it more accurately

What was the first memory you had of Sarah Duterte?

Like, when you get to know about the existence of these people in our political landscape

Even, I mean, I'm not saying anything

I'm just being honest

Like, the first time I heard about these people

Right, people talaga

Hindi, yung nanapak-napak

Sinapak-sapak na yung fiskal, diba?

Dun sa, sa nangyaring

Damolisyon dyan sa Davao

This is more than 10 years ago, diba?

Nasa TV Patrol, all over the place

Back in the day, yung time na

Mainstream media was still the main source of information

Now, interesting, actually, guys

Kaya, kind of segue lang tayo

Suggest ko

Check the book of Patricia Vangelista

Especially the chapter when she discusses this episode

Because yung book ni Patricia Vangelista

It does a very, very good job

Among others

Of analyzing the roots of Dutertismo

And Duterte approach

Duterte approach

To politics

DDS even itself

I'm talking about the original DDS

Not yung diehard Duterte supporters

And one of the things it does is

It also

May part dyan na in-interview ni Patricia Vangelista

Si Sara Duterte

Or someone from Rappler interviewed her

And ayon kay Sara, actually

She was, I mean, this is in the book

You can check it yourself

Ayon kay Sara, she was actually not very happy with that episode

That she rather

Para sa kanya, better sana na

Hindi siya nakilala

Sa buong bansa

If not sa buong mundo

Because of that episode

Pero parang

I think what Patricia was trying to say is

Because of the machismo

Let's be honest

Toxic machismo

Kind of political expectation sometimes

May mga liderato tayo na kababahiyan

Na minsan parang napipilitan sila na mag

For the lack of better term

Overcompensate

Diba?

Na may pressure sa kanila to be matapang

Especially kung tatay may sidigong

Kung sanay ng mga tao

Sa ganong klaseng politiko

In fairness, I should say I'm fair

Yeah, I'm fair

So I don't want to jump into

Jump into

You know, kind of

Stereotypes and all of that

But in turn, I found that interesting

Because I did not see

Any quotes or interviews along those lines

Kung saan si Sara Duterte

Nag-express ng somehow regret

About yung episode na yan

In terms of not reflecting well on her

As a leader

At dun sa mga kasama natin mga komentoers

Na natin na are from Davao

Or familiar with Davao

Of course, alam nyo naman yung panahon na

Actually si Sara yung mayor

At si Digong yung vice mayor

At basta sa alam ko

Nakausap natin yung mga kaibigan natin sa Davao

Kasi you know, I've given talks in Davao

Marami akong kaibigan dyan na

Throughout the years

Well, kaibigan ko sila

Hopefully kaibigan din

May may nagbiro nga si Richard daw

Ang sabi nyo sa akin si Richard

Ikaw ay isang public frenemy number one sa Davao

In fairness, ang ganda ng experience ko yun sa Davao kami

Thank God

Napaka-respetable yung mga kaibigan natin sa Davao

So I really had a fantastic time there

But, of course, hindi ako magtataka

Kung may mga tao na hindi natutuwa

Dun sa mga sinasabi natin

Katuanan

Just to be honest about it

Of course, some people have

Inauna yung kanilang mga political beliefs

Rather than factual analysis

But alam ko rin

Maraming din sa ating mga kababayan na

Not necessarily sangayon sa sinasabi natin

Ay actually mas malapit

Ang kanilang puso sa mga Duterte

Pero na-appreciate din nila saan tayo galing

So, you know

So, anyway

Having said that

Balikan natin ito

So, as you know

Si Kibuloy

O yan, na-mention na natin siya

Actually, sabi niya

Dahil nanganganib ang buhay ko

Ay hindi po muna ninyo makikita ang aking pagmamuka

Ang akin lang po

Munang boses ang inyong maririnig

O, ito yung quote po dyan

Talagang si Kuya, no?

Kasi ano daw, diba?

So, parang labas pa ngayon

Sila pa yung threatened

Ang labas pa, parang sila pang

Victima ngayon, diba?

So, kaya nga sabi ko

Pag di ko mahanap yung video

Nung kanyang 35 minutes talk yata yung isang araw

Kung saan nag-respond siya dito sa mga

Sa mga accusations of abuse, assault, sexual assault

And of course, kung maalala niyo

Ang sagot niya

Kaya nga ang dami natin sinabi about Darren and all of us here

Kaya nga ang dami natin sinabi about Darren and all of us here

Kaya nga ang dami natin sinabi about Darren and all of us here

Bakit lumalabas si Christopher Min dito?

Masa pa yan, Christopher Min

Masa pa yung Christopher Min

Um

Hindi, ito ito ito

Ito ito, guys

Inanaw na naman tayo

Nagluloko na naman tayo

Hindi, nawala nga ay talagang Christopher Min yung nandyan

Ay—

Anong native nyo kay Christopher Min

Iyan ako

Anong native kasi kay Christopher Min

Ito ito guys

Um

Speaking of

Qui Bloy

So maalala nyo yung pinag-usapan natin kapon yan na parang pinapalabas pa niya na siya pa ang victim, na pinag-aawayan siya ng mga babae daw.

Kasi syempre alam mo naman, siya po ay isang anointed, self-anointed, ganito na ganyan na mundo.

So pinag-aawayan daw siya ng mga babae at ginagamit daw siya ng mga babae for, I don't know, lack of a better term, upward social mobility.

Now again as I said, that's quite a reversal, quite a questionable reversal.

Marami sa atin na nakinig dun sa mga hearings, mga others.

At the very least, of course, ang position natin is unless this is proven in court beyond reasonable doubt, we'll still describe this as allegations.

Pero huwag niya kalimutan guys, pagdating sa US Embassy, pagdating sa FBI, pagdating sa mga otoridad dito sa Amerika,

para sa kanila, there is preponderance of evidence na nag-engage sa systematic violation of human rights

and exploited practices, itong person of interest na yan.

Kaya nga si Kibuloy, actually, sinabi niya, isa sa mga kanyang concern is not extradition sa Amerika,

meaning Philippine authorities coming in and according to due process, arresting him and then handing him over to the authorities in the United States

in accordance dun sa mga provisions of an extradition treaty sa pagitan ng Pilipinas and ng Estados Unidos.

No, ang sabi niya, baka mangyari sa kanya is yung parang extraordinary.

Meron rendition kung saan dadamputin siya at dadanin siya sa Amerika for cases.

Diyos ko, parang biglang nalala ko yung mga sa Guantanamo discussion.

Di ba nalala niya yung global war on terror? Maraming mga tao daw ay na extraordinary rendition all around the world.

Dinala sa Amerika or dinala sa Guantanamo for...

But anyway, I don't know kung may basihan yung sinasabi niya.

I think as far as the US is concerned, they want to handle this in the most, let's say,

sensible way and the most sensible way is dadanin ito sa mga otoridad dyan sa Pilipinas.

Which of course raises, again, bigger questions about the state of affairs.

Kaya nga sabi ko, mahalaga yung sasabihin ng mga malalaking political figures in the country.

Including, of course, Sarah Duterte.

Now, speaking of Sarah Duterte, I said kanina nga,

Sarah Duterte now, I think, is trying to project this image of kind of a motherly, cool, calm, collected kind of leader.

Kaya ako, I pay very close attention dun sa kanyang mga speeches, sa kanyang interventions,

the timing, the cadence, the core message, among others.

So ang nilalabas talaga dito ng mga, ng Duterte camp is this kibuloy saga is being exploited by certain people

who want to take her out as the frontrunner for 2028 election.

So yun yung angle na binibigay ni Sarah Duterte dito sa, you know, essentially,

everyone piling on these issues.

Now, speaking of everyone piling on, I mean, again, as I've always said,

kudus to Senator Rizonti-Verez for really taking the lead on this.

And it looks like, finally, we are at a situation whereby sumasama na yung mga ibang liderato.

Especially leaders, not only sa Senado, who are in charge of overseeing as opina,

para may legal enforcement talaga ng itong hearings na ito, na dapat nagpakita itong tao na ito.

But we're seeing also in the Philippine House.

The Philippine House of Representatives, which is not necessarily known as the bastion of fiscalization of abuses and all,

to be honest about it, also coming in and saying na nasusuporta nila.

In fairness naman, there are many sincere folks, including si Congressman Adyong and mga others,

who have also emphasized the need for enforcement of any kind of, you know,

magpakita talaga itong tao na ito.

Dapat may sapina talaga.

Dapat may respeto dito sa mga powers of the legislature.

For summoning people, for questioning people on matters of interest to legislation,

and matters of interest to the mandato, dun sa mandato ng legislatura.

Now, anyway, balikan natin ito.

I just find this interesting.

Kasi guys, hindi na...

So, immediately, ang entry talaga ni Sarah Duterte dito is yung context ng 2020 election.

So, immediately, I'm framing nila.

Dito is, this is about all politics.

So, parang kina-question ang interes, ang intensyon ng, at least some people,

hindi pinangalanan si Risa dito, but ang nilalabas dito is,

a lot of this is about politics, mud-slinging, partisan kind of interest.

Marahil, sapagkat ang vicepresidente ang tumatay sa isaya ng Pilipinas,

naging kagawian na ang pag-atake at pagbato ng sari-saring issue laban sa vicepresidente.

Marahil, sapagkat ang vicepresidente ang tumatay yung pangunahing hadlang sa mga nangangarap maging Pangulo.

Hindi ko ikakagulat kung dumami pa ang mga kaso, investigasyon, testigo paratang atake at paninira laban sa akin sa mga susunod na araw, linggo, buwan, at mga taon.

Naniniwala ako na may tamang panahon para sa lahat.

Panahon ngayon ng aking pagtatrabaho.

Tutuparin ko at paninira laban sa akin sa mga susunod na araw, linggo, buwan, at mga taon.

Naniniwala ako na may tamang panahon para sa lahat.

Panahon ngayon ng aking pagtatrabaho.

Tutuparin ko ang sinumpaang tungkulin.

Uunahin ko ang mga tunay na sulanin.

Essentially, ang framing dito is,

ang focus ko dito ay aking trabaho, aking mandato bilang vice-presidente.

Although I found it quite interesting na sinasabi niya,

like the vice-president is kind of like the protective layer

dun sa mga tao na may mischievous intent or who are eyeing greedily yung office of the president.

Last time I checked, actually the vice-president is the one who will automatically move up

if just in case things don't work out for the president.

But anyways, I just found that phrasing quite interesting.

I'm not questioning the intention of the vice-president.

I'm not saying anything.

I'm just saying I just found that kind of argument kind of strange

because if there's one person who has an interest,

I mean, if there's one person who will move up immediately is the vice-president.

Mamaya pa yung senate president, speaker of the house, etc.

base sa ating saligang batas.

Now, obviously, let's discuss very quickly.

Anong konteksto na itong intervention?

So, clearly, may kita niyo dito sa intervention ni Sara Duterte

na sinasabi niya na focus lang siya sa kanyang trabaho.

Ayaw niya makisali dito sa mga drama-drama, politika na marami dyan.

Kinagamit lang nila itong kibuloy saga to try to score points against her.

There are many people there who are trying to position for the 2020 elections.

I mean, I don't know.

I mean,

sino ba itong mga ito na nagpo-position for 2020 elections?

I mean,

last time I checked,

the one who's leading in the surveys right now na hindi pinapublish for some reason,

I actually see si Rafi Tulfo.

And last time I checked,

andiyan ba si Rafi Tulfo dun sa mga hearings ni Risa?

Parang hindi.

And I haven't heard much from Rafi Tulfo when it comes to this issue.

I mean, at least not as much for us to think nang nangyari dito is parang

parang nakiki,

nakikikaren siya or nakikisal siya.

I don't know.

I'm just saying.

Because there are also a lot of people that are commenting here who have no interest whatsoever in 2020 elections

or they're not even in a position to think about the 2020 elections at this point in time.

Right?

Anyway,

obviously, when it comes to the Duterte-Kibuloy issue,

one angle is the more direct angle.

Because dun sa mga nagtestigo laban kay Kibuloy,

isa sa mga sinasabi nila is,

so ito yung statement ni Sarah,

yung Tagalog,

isa sa sinasabi ng mga tao dun sa hearings is that

si Kibuloy daw nagbibigay ng barel daw or something like that dito sa mga Duterte, etc.

So, pag-usapan natin ng shortly yan, no?

Ito yung mga accusations, no?

Na, ayan.

Saan?

I'm just trying to...

Ah, ito to.

Duterte's statement comes after a former member of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ,

ito yung ano ni Kibuloy,

sinabi niya sa Senado nung Monday na Duterte received guns, daw, from Kibuloy

when she was still mayor, daw, of Davao

dun sa Senate Committee on Women, Children, and Gender Equality

overseen by the Deputy Minority Leader.

I mean, I find the Deputy Minority Leader position quite strange

because dalawa na nga lang silang opposition,

isa na nga lang na genuine opposition ginawa pang Deputy Minority Leader.

Anyway,

held its second hearing dun sa alleged abuses committed by this person of interest at yung kanyang simbata.

Habi lang na roon na,

sabi ako,

na I think,

sito,

na,

pumisita daw sila dun sa bahay ng compound na itong person of interest

dun sa Glory Mountain

kung saan kumukuan daw sila ng bags of guns.

So, yun po yung accusation na ni-level

ng itong alias Rene

who also of course talk about among others

itong mga exploitative practices,

extremely exploitative practices

allegedly

ah,

ah,

And even sexual abuses, among others, including against people who are male, right? Biologically male.

So, yeah. So, yun po yung tinitingnan natin dito.

So, Rene said he worked as a landscaper dun kay Kibuloy and was physically abused daw, sabi niya.

He also testified to being forced by the church to beg for alms on the street, after which he would fork over the money to them.

He said na daily quota daw ni Lais, 3,000 pesos.

Wow! 3,000 pesos. San ka kuha?

3,000 pesos. Wow!

Sabi niya, he was forced to work as a researcher for television network for SM&I din daw without pay.

At times daw, Kibuloy would allegedly give them allowances of 200 pesos to 300 pesos lang.

At si former president naman dun sa Biklisyo 9SMA called Kikan Samasa para sa mas...

Of course, ito nga sabi niya, may show talaga si Digong there.

So, that tells you about the level of closeness between these two sides, no?

Once again lang guys, eh. Wala mag-reply dito.

Sorry.

Okay. Anyway, so, the first thing is there's this line of accusation from Elias Rinne na things have been exchanged, you know, the level of guns and all of that.

Kaya itong response ni Sara Duterte.

But aside from dito sa bags of gun accusations, allegations ng mga yung mga nag-expose at mga former members ng church na yan,

the thing is, of course, it's also the political branding, diba?

Pag tinignan mo yung Davao politics, essentially, of course, there's the Nograleses, among others.

But, you know, hindi sila yung impositions of power over the past decade or so.

I remember back in the day, yung si Senior Nograles was the Speaker of the House.

I think panaw ni Aroyon, diba?

There was a time that we think the Nograleses are the up-upward trajectory.

But the reality is that what we're seeing right now,

is that essentially this duo of Digong and Kiboloy have been the dominant face and force as far as the Davao politics is concerned.

And then may aspeto din dyan na si, ang pangalan niya, si Pantalion Alvarez.

Ay nandun din sa eksena na yan to a certain degree.

But really this duo, right?

So if you look at their branding, and you look at their institutional ties, their personal ties,

if you look at itong ginagawa ng SMA,

SMNI, so in a way, they're political twins.

They kind of come in packages, especially the former president.

Ibang usapan niya si Sara, but if you look at the former president, he has a show dito sa SMNI.

Dikan sa masa para sa masa.

Of course, as far as most people are concerned, if you look at dito sa SMNI na yan,

it's kind of seen as like, you know, kung mga kung Fox News ay ito ay,

if the accusation is that the Fox News in the U.S. is essentially the propaganda arm of the Republican Party,

or Trump to a certain degree, of course the accusation in the Philippines,

at least from the critics of the SMNI po, has been fulfilling that role in behalf of Digong,

or at least a mindset or mentality or ideology na similar dun sa pag-iisip at paradigms ni Digong.

Kasi kung titignan niyo yung mga interventions, not only of Kiboloy, but a lot of people who worked there,

a lot of them actually were there.

There, during the Duterte administration, at least one of them was the presidential spokesman of Digong.

If you look at yung emphasis nila sa federalism, yung emphasis nila sa what critics would see as red-tagging

or kind of demonization of people affiliated with the left,

if you look at their stance on the war on drugs, if you look at their stance on America,

if you look at their stance on China, among others, SMNI's essentially framing of issues is very similar to how Duterte,

Rodrigo Duterte would do.

So there's definitely that aspect of political entwinement between Kiboloy and Duterte.

So there's not only this aspect of direct accusations of bags of guns,

there's also this aspect of branding or kind of political entwinement between Kiboloy and Duterte.

So that's why, kaya sabi ko, interesado ko parate to see how the Duterte camp will respond to this.

So far, the response.

We see immediately from Saad Duterte, wala akong kinalaman dyan, I'm above the fray,

I'm just gonna focus on my job, huwag niyo ako idamay dun sa mga ewan niyo, wala akong kinalaman dyan,

and I know yung mga iba, they're trying to drag me into this issue, they have their own political ambitions.

Like what, Riza has political ambitions in 2028?

I mean, sabi ko, hindi pa nga settled, sino yung leader of opposition.

So, anyway, so that's the accusation being levied back at those who are accusing at least Saad Duterte.

Let's see what Digong will say.

Some of the other Duterte support to say, but I think on the third level, and this is the important thing.

So the first thing is, itong direct accusations of bags of guns na sinistrike down immediately Saad Duterte

because, you know, that has crazy implications.

Second is this political entwinement branding this whole Kiboloy-Duterte kind of package,

which we have been quite familiarized with, to put it mildly, over the past decade or so.

Pero pangatlo, and importantly, as I said, mahirap na hiwala yan itong issue ni Kiboloy.

From the other parallel issue, although quite different in nature and implication,

of yung ISIS investigations against Digong.

Because let's just be honest, if you look at it from a psychological and political standpoint,

the person of interest in our discussion went from someone who was seen in many ways as untouchable.

I mean, nakalala ko yung timing, billboard niya, nandyan sa ETSA, self-anointed son of, you know, my goodness, I mean, my lord, my god.

I mean, I cannot even say it, di ba?

Itong tao na to, meron silang...

Media outlet, mga bayani na, you know, all over the place, doing very well actually online, in fairness, I'll tell you that.

This is a person na...

Di ba parang may back and forth pa with si Vice Ganda ba yan at some point in time?

Di ba nagsasagutan sila ni Vice Ganda, no?

So, I mean, this is a person seen as almost untouchable, right?

For a very long time, not untouchable in a...

You know, the kind of brahmin.

Past system, but untouchable in terms of napakalakas niya.

Don't even think about it.

And the fact na Driesa Hontiveras, itong mga investigations na ginagawa sa Senate, I mean, my goodness, nasaan yung mga ibang senators, nasaan yung ibang figures.

Tagal na na si Driesa lang, talaga nag-overseen ito.

That tells you na almost there was this aura of invincibility.

Aura of untouchability, no?

Invincibility dito around sa person of interest na yan.

And then now, suddenly, ang sinisabi ng tao na yan na he cannot even show his face sa videos among others because siguro matrack daw yung kanyang locations or...

You know, who knows?

I mean, right?

You can think of many things.

Bakit kaya ayaw mo makikita ng mga hanin sa video?

So this person now is essentially, you know, nagtatago, diba?

So that's quite something to go from invincibility to nagtatago.

Totally trying to avoid the arm of the state or authorities or any kind of direct scrutiny or tracking down.

This is quite something, you know?

Go from invincibility and all of that and all of the aura of, you know, untouchability.

To this, it's huge.

It's a huge psychological and political shift.

So I'm not saying it's exactly parallel case because the ICC case is much more complicated.

It is not the FBI.

It's not the United States.

BBM, being BBM once again.

Sa akin, no, hindi kami mag-cooperate sa ICC and all of that.

But then again, mga kameta.

You're talking about a former president who was also seen as invincible, who is now not seen as vulnerable necessarily,

but also not so invincible, right?

So I think that is where some people are going to be concerned na baka itong nangyayari kay Kibolay Neto is just a kind of a dry run, right?

Or it will pave the way for also a massive move on the ICC front.

Now again, katulad na pinag-usapan natin dun sa mga dating episodes and I think my good friend and co-host Ronaldo Llamas did a very good job.

Sabi niya, iba yung FBI, iba yung ICC.

Iba yung mga kaises na yan.

I understand that.

But there's also aspect of investigation, some sort of international judicial body or international law enforcement body

trying to go after someone who's invincible and trying to go after someone who was part of the core power elite, no?

Not long ago.

Not long ago.

So if the invincibility of Kibolay is something that is withering away, the question right now is,

is the invincibility of Duterte going to be the next thing?

As far as Sarah is concerned, she's distancing herself from that.

Now the interesting thing is, as far as Reason Antivirus is concerned, tuloy-tuloy ang kanyang push dito para sa ustisya.

Ang Embahada ng Amerika also released a statement talking about vowing justice, that walang takas dito sa ustisya.

Kung ano ang drama dyan, hindi mag-uwork yan.

Kahit anong Karen, Darren, Kevin, Ken ang mangyari dyan, hindi mag-uwork yan dahil meron na silang ebidensya.

They have overwhelming evidence of abuses and all happening.

At least ito yung sinasabi ng Amerika.

Now as far as...

Reason Antivirus is concerned, she also made it very clear.

Actually there's another press conference at Reason Antivirus just the other day.

Na grabe din na inulit itong mga softy accusations that were...

I-deliver, isa-serve ng OSAA, ng Senate Security, kay Pastor Kiboloy sa Davao.

Stronger than an invitation.

Kailangan sundin niya, i-heed niya yung sabina.

Complex yung mukha ng mga...

...na nararanasan ng mga dating miyembro,

dating scholars, dating ginagawang pulubi ni Kiboloy sa loob ng kingdom.

Lumalabas yung mga aspeto ng paglabag sa karapatan ng bata,

pagpipigil or pagneglet sa karapatan nilang makapag-aral,

pagpupumilit sa kanilang magmalimos sa kalsada,

yung mga...

...pagpupumilit din sa ibang mga miyembro nila maglimos

na pag hindi nila ma-hit yung goal or quota nila,

pinaparusahan sila ng physical punishment.

Lumalabas na meron pa silang nalalamang mga dating kasama na,

met me up, patay na.

And by similar, if not identical, modus operandi,

two bullets to the head.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

Grabe.

For violations na lumalabas, pinapatrabaho sila whether as nagmamalimos

o as mga researcher o mga cameraman, pero walang sahod, walang benefits.

At syempre, yung una na nating narinig sa unang pagdinig pa lang,

yung pang-aabuso sa mga kababaihan at pati mga minor de edad.

Rape, other forms of sexual abuse.

At palawak ng palawak and I think palinaw ng palinaw yung larawan ng mga pang-aabuso sa loob ng hindang.

At yun na naman, may nagko-comment dyan ng fabricated lahat naman yan.

Sabi nga ni Bato, kung wala naman kayang ginawa, wala kayang dapat ikakatakot.

Ganon kasimple lang naman, kung fabrication lahat mga ito,

Kaya kung lahat naman ito ay gawa-gawa lang,

kung isa pa yung victim na nag-feeling Joseph,

my goodness, ito na naman yung mga almost blasphemous claims na yan,

di okay, di disprove na yan.

Pero ako naman, just to be fair, as I said,

unless ito ay hindi proven sa courts, sa ating mga korte,

beyond reasonable doubt, we'll still classify them,

put them in the category of allegations.

But as I said, there's also this aspect na pagdating sa FBI,

at international authorities, para sa kanilang meron na yung preponderance of evidence.

So it's not like galing lahat ito out of nowhere, right?

So you're seeing evidence and testimonies and witnesses from all different sides

coming together to make these kinds of allegations and all of that.

But as I said, kung wala ka naman ginawang mali,

dapat wala kang ikakatakot.

Simple lang naman yung sinasabi natin dito, e, diba?

Kasi yun din lang naman sinasabi nila nung panunan sila yung nasa power, right?

So are they saying na walang rule of law sa Pilipinas?

Are they saying na tiwala lang sila?

Sa mga sistema natin, just when they're in position of power to themselves, right?

So, I don't know.

Well, we know actually the answer.

This is a rhetorical, I don't know.

But as I said, once again,

this is also the moment when we see the mental of leadership of Rizal Antiveros.

Kasi grabe, ang binabanggan ni Rizal Antiveros kaya na,

hindi lang isa sa mga pinaka quote-unquote charismatic religious leaders from the South,

from Mindanao, where there's a lot of resentment against progressive,

liberals, there's a lot of resentment against Imperial Manila,

there's a lot of support for Duterte and for Quiboloy, among others.

Ang binabanggan din niya ay, in effect, indirectly, the vice president.

A very powerful political dynasty.

And in a way, as far as I know, Rizal is not on good terms with PBM, the current president.

I mean, after all, unlike some dilawan and all of that,

Rizal Antiveros has stood her ground, and she's through and through a progressive.

And through and through sticking to her convictions.

And nakita natin, from the Quion de los Santos case all the way to this case,

nung nilabas yung case ni Quion de los Santos, na nagdala siya ng mga witnesses.

Right? Let's talk about her track record.

Nung time na nilabas niya yung mga witnesses, dun sa killing ni Quion de los Santos,

dun sa nangyaring extrajudicial killing,

nag-invento ba siya? Gawa-gawa lang ba yan?

Last time we checked, actually, even during Digong's time, people were heard accountable.

In court. In a court of law.

Sa kalawakan niyan, diba?

For the killing of Quion de los Santos.

So, Rizal Antiveros has a very strong track record, alright,

of coming up with witnesses, and going after cases of abuse,

and coming out, not only vindicated by history, but vindicated by courts and evidence.

But then again, as I said, right,

if wala namang ginawang mali, dapat wala silang ikakatakot.

At itong idea ng mga extraordinary rendition, I don't know about that.

Medyo, baka stretch yan.

Um, but then again, as I said, this is not only about Quiboloy.

This is also about this bigger, bigger shift in our political landscape.

This is about the Dutertes, and that's why you see this kind of intervention by Sara.

But as I said, what I found very interesting with Sara Duterte is,

is that ang nilalabas na dito is parang siya yung, di ba, parang above the fray political figure,

which is quite something different from what we know,

uh, from dun sa kanyang, uh, positioning and projection and all of that back in the day.

On that note, thank you very much, mga kameta.

Balikan natin itong issue na taas.

More and more updates come in.

Have a good, blessed evening and good morning naman dun sa mga, nasa time zone natin.

On that note, thank you very much.

God bless and talk to you soon.

God willing.